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Old 10-09-2018, 08:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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I'm curious if this is a Iholena, or something else? I can take more pictures at different angles if needed.
I personally was disappointed how small the bananas they are, but I guess the plant is in a pot...

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Old 10-09-2018, 06:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Iholena??

Probably the most important factor in IDing Iholenas is whether or not there is any red or pink on the underside of leaves, especially when they first unfurl. If not, then it's certainly less likely the plant is an Iholena type.
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They have a red/pink on the underside of the leaves. this is one on the younger ones.


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isn't it more of a mauve purple?
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Looks fine to be an Iholena of some sort to me.

Growing plants in containers will almost always result in smaller fruit, but you also cannot judge size at this stage, they haven't grown yet.
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isn't it more of a mauve purple?
Yes it does, but I've heard so many different ways of saying it so I just used the word Rob used. last time I used the word bronze so now I am not entirely sure what to call the color
Thanks Gabe! will you be able to tell which Iholena it is? (I think i understood there are different kinds)
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Where did you get it from?
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It was from Logee's.

This is were I got it.
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It was from Logee's.

This is were I got it.
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Yes I really like the plants I got from them! Their price is the only thing that keeps me from buying a lot of plants from them. Still haven't fruited the Locaten banana, can't find any of the information they had. But they had written it has orange fruit (inside) a Philippine dessert banana....
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I'm guessing these are Mai'a Iholena aka Iholena Iholena aka Dwarf Iholena. My understanding is Agristarts started tissue culturing these after obtaining material from here on the Big Island. This is good to hear, because several years ago the total number of these was estimated to be under 50.
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What was the height of the p-stem when it flowered? I have a "Dw. Iholena" which I got from Baker Cr. Seeds, which I assume was a tc from Agristarts. When I asked for more information they said it was "Iholena Iholena", so I'm guessing mine is like yours. Mine hasn't fruited yet, but it ought to be close.
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I think this one fruited around 9 1/2 feet. I have two in the ground that are around 10 + and still haven't fruited.
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The coloring of the plant is correct for the dwarf Iholena, however the stature and height is wrong, and it seems a few other folks have had similar plants. Environment always plays a role, but I doubt it would have this type of effect.

I think what may have happened is something that is all to common, Agri-Starts does not periodically field-verify starting material and initiate new tissue culture lines, which inevitably leads to the production and mass distribution of off-types. It seems possible that they are now a distributing a sort of tall-reversion off type from the original dwarf. Since the mutation to dwarfish is fairly simple and common, the reversion back to a tall form is not that far out, and this type of mutation (changes in height/stature) happen frequently in tissue culture labs with subpar quality control.
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Here is one of my recent true to type dwarf Iholena. This was fruiting at about 6ft. As you can see also, the plant is very stout, with a thick pseudostem and droopy leaves, which is more or less the classic dwarf habit.

Even in containers, and in less than ideal conditions, the dwarfs tend to keep the dwarf stature.

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Wow! That looks great! Wish mine looked like that. Mine looks kinda spindly.
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I wasn't able to see the picture for some reason, it just had a - there.
Is there any other plant it would be? Or is it a tall Iholena, I definitely agree its not a dwarf. I should take i picture of the stature of the plants in the ground before I dig them up.
Last night I moved in the one thats fruiting. We are getting down to 31˚f this coming week!
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This is the entire plant (not the one with the fruit)


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Yes, Sarah Brubaker, mine looks like yours rather than like Gabe's unfortunately. Mine does not have the short, wide leaves that dwarfs typically have. I noticed that right away and have been wondering about that for quite a while now. I think Gabe's explanation is probably right on target.
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