Ice Cream: The real deal?

caliboy1994 · 09-16-2011, 07:53 PM

So venturabananas told me that my plant that I bought from a local nursery might not be a real Ice Cream. I want to get a second opinion, and if it's not an Ice Cream, then what is it?

Pictures:

Here's a pic of the entire plant. I planted it about two months ago.

Here's a close-up of one of the petioles. It has a nice pink edge to it. The petiole is open, not closed like how the real Ice Cream is supposed to be.

Here are some more of the petioles at the top of the main p-stem.

Here's the base of the main p-stem.

Here's a close up of the leaf midrib. All of the leaves have pink on the midrib.

An identification would be appreciated. I hope it's a good variety if it's really not an Ice Cream. Thanks!

sunfish · 09-16-2011, 07:59 PM

Not Ice Cream

Yours looks different than my Not Ice Cream,more like a plantain type,only a guess

caliboy1994 · 09-16-2011, 08:07 PM

Ok then, that's 3 people who said it isn't an Ice Cream. I'm going to leave it in the ground and see how it does and try and get a hold of the REAL Ice Cream next season.

sunfish · 09-16-2011, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliboy1994

Ok then, that's 3 people who said it isn't an Ice Cream. I'm going to leave it in the ground and see how it does and try and get a hold of the REAL Ice Cream next season.

I think most,not all,the Ice Cream plants in CA. are not the real deal.Looking at the wiki I see two different plants.The one with the all green p-stem and leaves is the real Ice Cream'

Musa Blue Java (Ice Cream) - Bananas Wiki

caliboy1994 · 09-16-2011, 08:20 PM

Yeah, I saw that picture too. The petioles are also closed in that pic too. In that case I need to get my hands on a real one, but I think I should wait until spring.

caliboy1994 · 09-16-2011, 09:15 PM

Is it possible that it's an HD Ice Cream?

sunfish · 09-16-2011, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliboy1994

Is it possible that it's an HD Ice Cream?

HD is just the name I used for the plant I got at Home Depot that was labeled Ice Cream but is a Namwah type ,

caliboy1994 · 09-16-2011, 09:27 PM

Does this look anything like a Namwah to you? From what I heard Namwah still makes great fruit.

sunfish · 09-16-2011, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliboy1994

Does this look anything like a Namwah to you? From what I heard Namwah still makes great fruit.

Any thing I say is just a guess

Not Ice Cream

shot3837 · 09-16-2011, 09:45 PM

I think that I have that one too. I bought mine from Wellspring Gardens. After reading some posts on here I am pretty sure that it is not an Ice Cream. I contacted the company and told them that I thought that maybe there was a mix up and I got the wrong plant. They assured me that what they had given me was an Ice Cream. I am going to let it fruit but am pissed off that it is not what I thought I was buying.

caliboy1994 · 09-16-2011, 09:57 PM

I know for a fact that Quail Botanical Gardens has the real one. Does anyone else have an idea what it might be? I'm hoping for a Namwah.

caliboy1994 · 09-16-2011, 10:05 PM

Look what I just found:

This is a pic of a Dwarf Namwah leaf. To me it looks just like the pic of my leaf that I took.

kcj1219 · 09-18-2011, 10:43 AM

I'm pretty sure that your plant is not a Dwarf Namwah. Dwarf Namwah (ABB - AABB) have closed petioles and does not have a distinct red border on the outer channel of the petiole. You do have a pretty plant though. Like Tony said maybe a plantain or a FHIA type. I seem to have a not ice cream/ice cream and I live in coastal SC.

sunfish · 09-18-2011, 11:01 AM

Dwarf Namwah

caliboy1994 · 09-18-2011, 12:23 PM

Yeah, I can see that the petioles are closed on the Dwarf Namwah. I guess that's not it then. It'll be interesting to find out what I have though. The attractive coloration definitely looks good in my yard.

venturabananas · 09-18-2011, 05:56 PM

I'd defer to Gabe or other people who study bananas for a living, but at this point, the guesses from Ken and Tony are probably as good as you are going to be able to do. You can eliminate a whole lot of possibilities, like all the ABB cultivars, but that still leaves literally hundreds of possibilities. You can also eliminate the Mysore subgroup (and probably many others too, that I don't know enough to eliminate), but there's still so many possibilities. Gabe's usual response is that you probably won't have a shot at a positive ID until it flowers and maybe not even then. It is a pretty plant. Grow it and see what you get! Like Pitangadiego, Sunfish, and others say, "I don't really care what it is provided it grows well and makes good fruit." Call it Fred until you know better.

caliboy1994 · 09-18-2011, 06:08 PM

Ok, I guess I'll just have to wait and see

kcj1219 · 09-18-2011, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliboy1994

Ok, I guess I'll just have to wait and see

Musa Gump's mamma once said, "Banana plants are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get...lol

caliboy1994 · 09-18-2011, 07:40 PM

Hah I guess so! :P

caliboy1994 · 11-21-2011, 04:22 PM

I think I found the best candidate yet as to what my plant might be, and I'm actually happy with it. I think it might be Dwarf Brazilian. I found these photos on We Be Bananas of Dwarf Brazilian, and they look a lot like my plant.

This especially looks like my second plant, the one that isn't doing so well but is recovering.

The petioles on this plant look a lot like mine. They are open, waxy, and have red edges.

Tell me what you think! Appreciated!

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09-16-2011, 09:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
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shot3837 Location: Covington, LA Zone: 9 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 4 BananaBucks : 4,811 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 3 Times Was Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Ice Cream: The real deal? I think that I have that one too. I bought mine from Wellspring Gardens. After reading some posts on here I am pretty sure that it is not an Ice Cream. I contacted the company and told them that I thought that maybe there was a mix up and I got the wrong plant. They assured me that what they had given me was an Ice Cream. I am going to let it fruit but am pissed off that it is not what I thought I was buying.

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caliboy1994 <div style="font-style: italic;"><div style="font-style: italic;"></div></div> caliboy1994's Photo Gallery Location: SFV, California Find me on the map! Zone: USDA zone 10a; Sunset zone 18/19 Name: Andreas Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,301 BananaBucks : 251,166 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,474 Times Was Thanked 2,196 Times in 1,148 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 236 Times	Re: Ice Cream: The real deal? I know for a fact that Quail Botanical Gardens has the real one. Does anyone else have an idea what it might be? I'm hoping for a Namwah. __________________ "The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings." ~ Masanobu Fukuoka Find me on linktree here as Solarpunk Farmer: https://linktr.ee/solarpunkfarmer

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caliboy1994 <div style="font-style: italic;"><div style="font-style: italic;"></div></div> caliboy1994's Photo Gallery Location: SFV, California Find me on the map! Zone: USDA zone 10a; Sunset zone 18/19 Name: Andreas Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,301 BananaBucks : 251,166 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,474 Times Was Thanked 2,196 Times in 1,148 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 236 Times	Re: Ice Cream: The real deal? Look what I just found: This is a pic of a Dwarf Namwah leaf. To me it looks just like the pic of my leaf that I took. __________________ "The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings." ~ Masanobu Fukuoka Find me on linktree here as Solarpunk Farmer: https://linktr.ee/solarpunkfarmer

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caliboy1994 <div style="font-style: italic;"><div style="font-style: italic;"></div></div> caliboy1994's Photo Gallery Location: SFV, California Find me on the map! Zone: USDA zone 10a; Sunset zone 18/19 Name: Andreas Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,301 BananaBucks : 251,166 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,474 Times Was Thanked 2,196 Times in 1,148 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 236 Times	Re: Ice Cream: The real deal? Yeah, I can see that the petioles are closed on the Dwarf Namwah. I guess that's not it then. It'll be interesting to find out what I have though. The attractive coloration definitely looks good in my yard. __________________ "The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings." ~ Masanobu Fukuoka Find me on linktree here as Solarpunk Farmer: https://linktr.ee/solarpunkfarmer

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venturabananas venturabananas's Photo Gallery Location: Ventura, CA Find me on the map! Zone: 10 Name: Mark Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,845 BananaBucks : 238,988 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,752 Times Was Thanked 3,968 Times in 1,713 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 39 Times	Re: Ice Cream: The real deal? I'd defer to Gabe or other people who study bananas for a living, but at this point, the guesses from Ken and Tony are probably as good as you are going to be able to do. You can eliminate a whole lot of possibilities, like all the ABB cultivars, but that still leaves literally hundreds of possibilities. You can also eliminate the Mysore subgroup (and probably many others too, that I don't know enough to eliminate), but there's still so many possibilities. Gabe's usual response is that you probably won't have a shot at a positive ID until it flowers and maybe not even then. It is a pretty plant. Grow it and see what you get! Like Pitangadiego, Sunfish, and others say, "I don't really care what it is provided it grows well and makes good fruit." Call it Fred until you know better. __________________

09-18-2011, 06:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
caliboy1994 <div style="font-style: italic;"><div style="font-style: italic;"></div></div> caliboy1994's Photo Gallery Location: SFV, California Find me on the map! Zone: USDA zone 10a; Sunset zone 18/19 Name: Andreas Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,301 BananaBucks : 251,166 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,474 Times Was Thanked 2,196 Times in 1,148 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 236 Times	Re: Ice Cream: The real deal? Ok, I guess I'll just have to wait and see __________________ "The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings." ~ Masanobu Fukuoka Find me on linktree here as Solarpunk Farmer: https://linktr.ee/solarpunkfarmer

09-18-2011, 07:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
caliboy1994 <div style="font-style: italic;"><div style="font-style: italic;"></div></div> caliboy1994's Photo Gallery Location: SFV, California Find me on the map! Zone: USDA zone 10a; Sunset zone 18/19 Name: Andreas Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,301 BananaBucks : 251,166 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,474 Times Was Thanked 2,196 Times in 1,148 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 236 Times	Re: Ice Cream: The real deal? Hah I guess so! :P __________________ "The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings." ~ Masanobu Fukuoka Find me on linktree here as Solarpunk Farmer: https://linktr.ee/solarpunkfarmer

11-21-2011, 04:22 PM	#20 (permalink)
caliboy1994 <div style="font-style: italic;"><div style="font-style: italic;"></div></div> caliboy1994's Photo Gallery Location: SFV, California Find me on the map! Zone: USDA zone 10a; Sunset zone 18/19 Name: Andreas Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,301 BananaBucks : 251,166 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,474 Times Was Thanked 2,196 Times in 1,148 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 236 Times	Re: Ice Cream: The real deal? I think I found the best candidate yet as to what my plant might be, and I'm actually happy with it. I think it might be Dwarf Brazilian. I found these photos on We Be Bananas of Dwarf Brazilian, and they look a lot like my plant. This especially looks like my second plant, the one that isn't doing so well but is recovering. The petioles on this plant look a lot like mine. They are open, waxy, and have red edges. Tell me what you think! Appreciated! __________________ "The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings." ~ Masanobu Fukuoka Find me on linktree here as Solarpunk Farmer: https://linktr.ee/solarpunkfarmer

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