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Old 11-26-2012, 01:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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The previous Ice Cream post mentions Wellspring possibly not selling true plants. I just got this plant from them... it's small, but I was wondering if anyone can ID it. I want to sell banana pups at farmers' market eventually... preferably before this one fruits, but I will wait if ID isn't possible.







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Old 11-26-2012, 04:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It really is impossible to tell at this point, but given that it's a TC it's probably not actually Ice Cream and probably Tall Namwah.
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I figured it was a long shot to ID it. Wellspring is doing tissue culture? I guess that explains why it looks the way it does. Where's a good source for Blue Java? Going Bananas?
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Jon (pitangadiego) has it. I obtained a pup from him recently. I'm not sure if he's able to ship to Florida. Funny, I have three different varieties labeled Ice Cream and only one is the real thing!
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Jon (pitangadiego) has it. I obtained a pup from him recently. I'm not sure if he's able to ship to Florida.
He is able to ship to Florida. Costs an extra $7 for the ag inspection.

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OK thanks. Maybe I can find someone in state that might have it. I was thinking that Going Bananas might be a good source since it's actually a farm. Anyone order from them? They are probably part of this forum, I'd be willing to bet.

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I think someone ordered one from Going Bananas, and despite their reputability, it turned out to be a Tall Namwah anyways. The fact of the matter is that IC is so rare on the mainland due to mislabeling issues that you have to get it from someone who you know for sure actually has the real thing.
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I was looking at Going Bananas and they do say that some of their stock is TC, so I probably won't be ordering anything from them. I guess I'm in the right place on this forum to find someone... I'll ask Jon, thanks for the lead on that. There is a small nursery nearby and they sell some hard to find varieties. I was looking for Blue Java last year and he said that he doesn't grow it b/c it doesn't do well in this part of FL (SW). It was weird b/c I questioned him on it and he didn't really want to say what it was specifically about growing it here.

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The "Ice Cream" I got from Wellspring was Tall Namwah, not the real deal. FYI.
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I know.. thanks for that. Unfortunately I had already ordered from Wellspring by the time I read the other Ice Cream ID thread. Your comment was what got me started on this.. I wanted to see if possibly mine was the real deal. I would have probably gone until fruiting before I found that it was Tall Namwah had I not read the other thread.
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No big deal really... Tall Namwah will be good. I just don't want to sell pups if there is any chance at all that it might not be Blue Java... which sounds like the case.

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I Bought 2 " Blue Java From Wellspring , After Reading This I Guess I dont Have The Real Deal Either .

You Would Think That a Nursurey Would Now The Differance ?
Or Is It false advertising ?

I Visited Don At Going Bananas & He Had Lots Of Banana Plants ! I Bought Afew , He Came across As Very knowledgeable ! Nice Guy Too !.

I would Think He would Know The Differance .

Either way Im aslo In The Market For 2 True Blue Javas .
There has got to be a Source .

Can Any One Buy From The TC Place Agri ? Or Is it just For License Garden Shop.

I Would Think They Have The Real Deal .

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I'm not actually sure what the deal is. I'm guess that Blue Java can't be grown through tissue culture and that Tall Namwah looks like Blue Java in a lot of ways... I have no idea about the flavor. I have to assume that Blue Java is superior since it is legendary for flavor. I'm just guessing but Wellspring probably considers the two varieties extremely similar and just sells Tall Namwah as Blue Java for convenience purposes. That is something that is commonly done in the retail trade, but not usually with fruit from what I've seen.
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I Dont Think Thats Right , If Its A Tall Namwah , It Should be sold as What It Is ..

Maybe we should go straight to the source ?
Is The Blue Java From Hawaii?, There got to be a Seller In Hawaii That sells The Real Deal.
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I don't think it's right either. I was actually surprised to read the first thread that Wellspring was doing this. I assumed Blue Java was from Indonesia, but I took the name literally. I think the best bet is to get a pup here from someone... probably the best source actually b/c everyone knows what they are talking about and are interested in Musa knowledge and propagation. See above post for member source.

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Most of the time, it's not even the nursery's fault. They are likely getting all of their TCs from AgriStarts, a tissue culturing company that mass produces banana TCs. They were the ones who created the mix up in the first place, and it occurred because as young TCs, Ice Cream and Tall Namwah are virtually indistinguishable because they have extremely similar coloration and are in the same genetic group (ABB). So, Wellspring would not take the blame for the mix-up, AgriStarts would because they are the ones who caused this whole ordeal in the first place.

And no, many people argue that Namwah bananas are superior to the actual Ice Cream bananas. I cannot attest to this myself, having not tasted either, but you can ask someone from Hawaii who has tasted both on their personal opinion. I've noted that some of them said that Ice Cream tends to have a pithy core (unlike Namwah, which is generally smooth and creamy throughout) which is undesirable.

As JodoGarden said, getting a pup through an Org member is the best thing you can do. Jon (pitangadiego) and a few other California and Hawaii members, including me, have the real plant, but I'm not sure exactly how many of us have pups available at the moment. Jon has pups available, and I don't. As for the California members, I'm not sure who else does and who doesn't and the Hawaii members I believe cannot export plants due to trade restrictions. I should have pups available for trade eventually. If I were to ever try my hand in tissue culturing, I would be happy to distribute TCs to Org members.
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is it the petioles that really tell ice cream or not???on mine only slightly ,ever so slightly open.where as on my orinoco they are closed and touching..
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I haven't been able to find too much info on Namwah. Is the unripe fruit bluish as well?

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Sometimes it has a very slight blue tinge, but not nearly as blue as the actual Ice Cream.
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Both Blue Java and Namwah have lots of white, powdery wax on the fruit, which gives the impression that the fruit are blueish. But Blue Java normally looks quite bit more blue.
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