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11-28-2012, 02:23 AM | #21 (permalink) | |
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
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The main way to distinguish a true Ice Cream from Tall Namwah is to look at the leaf margins. Namwah tends to have a very pronounced pink border, while Ice Cream tends to have little to no pink on the leaf margin.
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
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I was disappointed to learn I had a Namwah instead of Blue Java- but these nanas are excellent, way better than orinoco - Still hoping to taste a real IC- BJ. but happy with my Namwah.
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
If you are like most folks who've tried them both, you will prefer Namwah over Blue Java, so don't be too disappointed in the way things turned out.
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
I've seen some pics in the photo gallery of Namwahs that seemed bluish... could have just been the photo or my monitor, but I will look for those photos again and post them. Here I go guessing again based on other plants... but maybe the bluish hue is greater or lesser depending on environmental factors, like wind for example. Plants produce a waxy layer on leaves as they mature to toughen up for wind exposure, heat etc. Maybe the bluish hue on the bananas has some relation to that? I know someone else will know for sure.
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11-28-2012, 08:53 PM | #25 (permalink) |
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
Here's a comparison:
Real Ice Cream (from Iunepeace's photo gallery): Tall Namwah (Misi Luki Awak, pretty much the same thing as Not Ice Cream; from webebananas.com) As you can see, Namwah types can have some blue on them, but not nearly as much as the actual Ice Cream. Mature Ice Cream fruits also tend to be a lot more angular in shape, while Namwah fruits are more round and bottle-nosed.
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11-28-2012, 09:58 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
Good comparison Caliboy. I found the photo I was thinking of... by Worm Farmer... nowhere near as blue as the IC example you posted.
From Worm Farmer's gallery
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
Yep, that's definitely a Namwah type. If it were IC/BJ, the fruits would be much more blue and much more angular.
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11-29-2012, 04:16 PM | #28 (permalink) |
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
So Is Mr pitangadiego In The House ?
If So Would Like To Buy A Good Size Blue Java Ice Cream Pup. |
11-29-2012, 04:21 PM | #29 (permalink) | |
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Thank You ! I Just Sent Them an Email..
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11-30-2012, 08:25 PM | #31 (permalink) |
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
Are there any other ID methods for Ice Cream? I found a garden center nearby that has some stock labeled as Blue Java. The plants are $30, but are very stressed... wind mostly. I didn't even go there looking for bananas so I didn't take much time to look at them to see if there was any pink on the leaf or not. I probably would have even taken some photos.. maybe next time. The plants are about 5 feet tall, so I was hoping that I might be able to come up with a short list of ID characteristics as a checklist. I'm sure a lot of nursery stock originates at Agristarts in FL... so that's why I'm being such a nerd about this.
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
Not really. It's pretty easy with one that is flowering or fruiting, but not so much before that stage. If it is being sold as "Ice Cream" and there is lots of pink along the leaf margins, it is probably a Pisang Awak ("Namwah").
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
I'll have to take a second look at what they have. I saw some black coloration on the p-stem of their plants... so not sure if I'd buy any of theirs. Other nurseries will have it too, so I'll have to look around and see what the leaf margins look like.
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11-30-2012, 09:24 PM | #34 (permalink) |
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
Namwah bananas are very good. I just tried a few today, and they're probably the best bananas I've ever eaten. The flavor is very sweet, but with a nice apple-like acid balance. It's definitely worth keeping the plant if it does turn out to be Namwah (which is very likely).
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
I'm def. keeping my Wellspring order, but I wanted to see if I can find a Blue Java locally. It would be an interesting comparison to grow them and note the differences and compare the fruit quality.
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
That's exactly what I plan on doing. Now that I have the actual thing, I'm going to grow it and Misi Luki (another Namwah clone) side-by-side.
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
Here's a close up look at a Blue Java (or is it?). It's indoors, so maybe isn't the best example... but the guy claims that the p-stem is bluish near the top and it does look that way in video... think it really is IC?
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
It's hard to tell for sure, but my actual Ice Cream is a darker green color than that, and has a lot more wax on the petioles, leaf sheaths, and underside of the leaf. This could all be influenced by environmental conditions though. Here's a picture of my plant:
I believe the person who made that video is actually an Org member.
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Re: Ice Cream or "I Scream"?
To me Pisang Awak tastes nothing like vanilla.
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