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12-04-2015, 12:00 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Banana labeled 'Dare' at GRIN unlike 'Dare' pictured at TARS site
This was labeled as Dare, however, it (and the others where it came from) fruit at just under 4' tall - which as PR-Giants pointed out, is much shorter than what is listed as Dare at TARS.
Out of the 15 varieties we planted at the same time this year, this was the first to fruit. It is a beautiful, stocky plant with very open petioles. I will add more pictures after I take more. I would love to hear from anyone else that is growing 'Dare' or if you have ideas on what else this could be. Last edited by geosulcata : 12-04-2015 at 03:04 PM. |
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Re: Banana labeled 'Dare' at GRIN unlike 'Dare' pictured at TARS site
I purchased a mystery pup a few months ago from a man selling them on the side of the road. His 1st language was not English so our "discussion" about type, etc was not very productive. I asked about taste. "Delicious". How tall? He pointed to his waist and smiled. We'll see.
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Re: Banana labeled 'Dare' at GRIN unlike 'Dare' pictured at TARS site
It is definitely different from the TARS 'Dare', which appears to be an AAB Laknao cultivar. Also the ITC 'Dare' is listed as Laknao, which is likely where the TARS accessions came from.
To me, your 'Dare' looks rather like a dwarf AAB Pome, like 'Prata Ana'/'Dwarf Brazilian' or 'Raja Puri'. I notice the first generation fruiting height on Pome cultivars can be drastically shorter than subsequent generations, and in Hawaii I've observed healthy tissue cultured plants fruiting as early as 7 months after planting. It could be also be a dwarf-er mutation, but since height is so dependent on conditions, nutrition and age of the mat, you really have to have it well fed/watered and fruit multiple generations times in the same location to get a real sense of the height of the plant. Looks neat though.
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Re: Banana labeled 'Dare' at GRIN unlike 'Dare' pictured at TARS site
Well, when I was collecting ficus I discovered that what there are tremendous errors in UCD's naming; I found foraging for figsticks to be more rewarding since I spoke with people who actually knew such facts as "my grandfather brought this when he came from Italy". I have no clue about my mystery pup other than what the grower shared with me; when my little gal fruits it will be like Christmas. As for what TARS believes and sends out...pfft.
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Thanks Gabe, I really appreciate your input. We were told that all 4 areas at GRIN labeled Dare are all fruiting at 4' - well established mats. We have dwarf Brazilian and raja puri and the growth habit of this one seems a little different to me - definitely shorter than the others, but I will note future generation heights. Do you think I should let GRIN know? Are there other bananas in the POme group other than DB, RP, Hawaiian Apple, Walha, and hybrid Pacovan Ken? Any chance it would be one of the latter two? Last edited by geosulcata : 12-04-2015 at 06:37 PM. |
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Re: Banana labeled 'Dare' at GRIN unlike 'Dare' pictured at TARS site
It appears Miami lost or misplaced their AAB Laknau cultivar after 2006.
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Re: Banana labeled 'Dare' at GRIN unlike 'Dare' pictured at TARS site
Is it odd that they have a mysore mat labeled as FHIA-21?
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There are many cultivars in the Pome subgroup, it's hard to say which it could be, though it certainly appears to be a true-dwarf, and there is also the chance it is an off-type from another clone in the collection. Desirable off-types become new cultivars, so unless it matches exactly another clone in the GRIN collection, it could possibly be an off-type.
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Re: Banana labeled 'Dare' at GRIN unlike 'Dare' pictured at TARS site
This can easily happen during the tissue culture process, if the initial source plant is mixed up/mislabled, all subsequent plants will be too. This can even happen from the field if suckers are taken from a single mislabled plant. Banana collections have to be routinely replanted as the plants do not persist in the ground for very long and remain healthy, so there is plenty of opportunity to mix things up.
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