mskitty38583

a green house. we like to use as few letters as possible so we abbriviate a lot.

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Velutina

Absolutely, we'll experiment with lots of varieties and see what does best. I definately want to try Rajapuri and Orinoco, which did best in Salt Lake City.


Thanks for the digging tips Pauly. I will definately try the bourbon tip

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Chironex

Greenhouse. Can't wait to see yours Pauly. If it isn't finished when i get there, I can help you.

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Chironex

Adam, I just got an Ice Cream and a Double Mahoi today. Aeae is on its way and a Dwarf Brazilian, 'Johnson' Dwarf Cavendish, Orinoco, Manzano Sweet Apple and Kru are coming soon. I already have a Dwarf Namwah, Truly Tiny and a Raja Puri. Plus seeds for a bunch of others like Musa X Paradisiaca, Balbisiana, Yunanesnsis, Yunamensis, Thai Gold, Lasiocarpa, Zebrina, Darjeeling, Dwarf Cav, Coccinea, Abyssinian, Ornata, Velutina and Violacea. So, we should have a ball!!!
Trying to get some Mysore for making heat-tolerant crosses too. Don't know how to do it yet, maybe the experts here can give us the "how to's" Hot bananas, you bet!

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Pablo Vega

Adam, great photos!!! You really need a bigger green house.

Welcome.

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damaclese

heheheh
dohhhhhh sorry kitty!

damaclese

To create hybrids wouldn't you just try to pollinate the flower between the two X to create the new sport I'm not sure how you would cross two that don't produce seeds Gab is a wiz with all that Tc and seed divisions maybe he could help you out

Chironex

Hi Pauly, You're correct - I don't know much when it gets to the whole diplod, triploid, stuff, but I am willing to learn. Perhaps there is a way to cross two unseeded varieties to create a sport (?) or hybrid????
Gabe might be willing to tell us how it is done. I don't know what is would cost to get into tissue cultures, as it might run into some big money to buy and maintain all of the ideal scientific equipment necessary.
So we know that Mysore (the most heat-tolerant banana) doesn't produce seeds and is edible. Then we want to cross it with something less heat-tolerant to try and develop more heat and humidity tolerant characteristics in the new hybrid. I imagine that we would need to culture the cross-fertilized embryos somehow, right? How do we do this properly?
Any help out there? Are we headed in the right direction?

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Velutina

From what I understand about banana genetics, here is what we would need to do.

First we would want to find a diploid banana that shows significant heat/low humidity tolerance. Once this is done, then we can cross it with a triploid such as mysore (AAB). You should end up with a seeded fruit with tetraploid seeds (ie AABB, AAAB, etc) This banana is then allowed flower and this plant is crossed with another diploid plant. The result should be seeds of a triploid plant. And hope your new plant has the desired traits from the diploid plants you crossed the mysore with. Sound easy? This sounds like something that would need to be done in the tropics where simultaneous flowering of your two plants could more easily be controlled.

But there may be another way I don't know about??

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Velutina

Or the more practical solution... Grow lots of different varieties and stick with the ones that grow best. Keep growing these varieties and hope for a sport sucker that improves on the parent.

Or, grow the varieties that show the most promise and work on tweaking the environmental conditions to allow the plant to do better. (ie, different soil types, shade, etc)

One thing i'm planning on doing is setting up a solar collector to heat a 600-1000 gallon water tank. This water can then be used at night to flow through underground pipes underneath the banana plants to keep the roots/corm warm during cold nights. Warm soil will also radiate up and keep the air warmer, especially with a simple PVC temporary greenhouse. I'm not too sure if the bananas will respond positively to this or not, but it might be worth a try. (ie warm roots, cold leaves might cause stress... and warm roots/warm air might cause growth during months you want dormancy)

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Chironex

Adam, I can't wait to get started! We could simulate the tropics in the greenhouse to encourage simultaneous blooming, or figure out the time frames and keep the faster bloomer a bit cooler to delay it until the slower species blooms.
We could try all of the above to see what we can come up with. Worst case scenario, we end up with tons of bananas!!!
As a thought provoker, I think we should try to find the lightest colored leaf banana to deal with the intense sun. If we can also find wind resistance and low humidity traits, we might come up with desert, dessert bananas! My mind is racing.........

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dablo93

welcome on the forum! I like your greenhouse
I hope that I will have also a flowr this year on one of my ornamental musas (laterita, ornata, velutina, siamensis, coccinea, milky way, red ruby, royal burgundy)

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damaclese

wouldn't we want to be looking for Bananas with thicker heaver leafs
IE more succulent in nature?

damaclese

Adam my Bananas are in pots so there soil gets quite warm they look as if they are doing fine in this state but i do have to water allot go check out my thread on growing banana in desert conditions thread it simply and observational log but i could use so advice on how to proceed and what to look for

Velutina

I agree about looking for the thicker leaves. i have a feeling the bananas that will do best will either be diploids, or triploids with partial balbisiana genome (AAB, ABB, etc). Just a prediction. Pauly, have you tried Rajapuri yet?

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