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H2O 02-27-2012 10:38 AM

Hi !
 
Hi,

I am new in growing bananas,

I have only 2 plants...
  • Musa basjoo
  • Musella lasiocarpa

... and trying to start from seeds:
  • Musa Sikkimensis Darj Giant
  • Musa Sikkimensis Helen's hybrid
  • Musa Itinerans

I have read the "Banana Seed Germination" threads, that helped me a lot!

So thanks for this !

Thanks to bananarama2 , barnetmill , Blake09 , caliboy1994 , Chance1945 , Dalmatiansoap , Darkman , harveyc , HoaNui , island cassie , justjoan , MediaHound , momoese , oakshadows , Olafhenny , palmtree , paulorph , Richard , saltydad , Scuba_Dave , stumpy4700 , sunfish , TRAY , venturabananas , willy1der , Worm_Farmer , Yug, Kelso !

Chance1945 02-27-2012 05:09 PM

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Welcome, I hope you have better luck with your seeds than I do. I planted some back in Aug. and I'm still waiting. I buy pups now instead. Instant gratification.

Terry

H2O 02-28-2012 04:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chance1945 (Post 188108)
Welcome, I hope you have better luck with your seeds than I do. I planted some back in Aug. and I'm still waiting. I buy pups now instead. Instant gratification.

Terry

Thanks Terry,

the seeds are on "alternate" temperature for 2 weeks now, a few have lost the "micropylar plug", i hope it's a good sign, time will tell!

paulorph 02-28-2012 08:52 AM

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Welcome Here H2O Enjoy the site. I agree about starting from pups. Seeds will take forever from what I have read. But nice thing is that pups come up here or you could put a request in the buy/sell area here. Everyone here is great and very knowledgeable. But if you have the seed, plant them and see what happens. I am just too impatient to wait for them to grow :)

H2O 02-28-2012 10:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by paulorph (Post 188136)
Welcome Here H2O Enjoy the site. I agree about starting from pups. Seeds will take forever from what I have read. But nice thing is that pups come up here or you could put a request in the buy/sell area here. Everyone here is great and very knowledgeable. But if you have the seed, plant them and see what happens. I am just too impatient to wait for them to grow :)

Thanks paulorph,

I am impatient too !

barnetmill 02-28-2012 07:49 PM

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Welcome H20

I am also new to this forum and have already learned quite a bit. France did control the area that I live in from 1719-1722 and it is interesting to have someone from France on this forum. France is famous for pears, grapes, apples and probably many other things I know little about. Perhaps you can share some experiences that you might have with other fruits and plants from your homeland.

H2O 02-29-2012 01:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by barnetmill (Post 188154)
Welcome H20

I am also new to this forum and have already learned quite a bit. France did control the area that I live in from 1719-1722 and it is interesting to have someone from France on this forum. France is famous for pears, grapes, apples and probably many other things I know little about. Perhaps you can share some experiences that you might have with other fruits and plants from your homeland.

I have some experience but not really in the plants from my homeland.
But if you need help in these plants , let me know, i will try to find the information for you.

Here are some seeds / plants already done :
From seed:
  • Tamarindus indica (Tamarind)
  • Punica granatum (Pomegranate)
  • Asimina Triloba (Paw Paw)
  • Ziziphus jujuba (jujube)
  • Hippophae rhamnoides (sea-buckthorn)
  • Phyllostachys pubescens (moso bamboo)
  • Dendrocalamus giganteus (giant bamboo)
  • Sabal minor (Dwarf Palmetto or Bush palmetto)
  • Washingtonia robusta (Mexican Fan Palm or Mexican Washingtonia)
  • Phoenix dactylifera (date palm)
Plants:
  • Amelanchier (serviceberry)
  • Trachycarpus fortunei (Chusan Palm, Windmill Palm or Chinese Windmill Palm)
  • Cornus mas (Cornelian Cherry)
  • Hippophae rhamnoides (sea-buckthorn)

barnetmill 02-29-2012 09:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by H2O (Post 188167)
I have some experience but not really in the plants from my homeland.
But if you need help in these plants , let me know, i will try to find the information for you.

Here are some seeds / plants already done :
From seed:
  • Tamarindus indica (Tamarind)
  • Punica granatum (Pomegranate)
  • Asimina Triloba (Paw Paw)
  • Ziziphus jujuba (jujube)
  • Hippophae rhamnoides (sea-buckthorn)
  • Phyllostachys pubescens (moso bamboo)
  • Dendrocalamus giganteus (giant bamboo)
  • Sabal minor (Dwarf Palmetto or Bush palmetto)
  • Washingtonia robusta (Mexican Fan Palm or Mexican Washingtonia)
  • Phoenix dactylifera (date palm)
Plants:
  • Amelanchier (serviceberry)
  • Trachycarpus fortunei (Chusan Palm, Windmill Palm or Chinese Windmill Palm)
  • Cornus mas (Cornelian Cherry)
  • Hippophae rhamnoides (sea-buckthorn)

From the list I see that you have a lot of experience. I am not having good results from the Pomegranate and the Paw Paw.

It is for the Paw Paw that I am currently looking for advice. They do apparently grow wild in some areas nearby to me. What I have are three plants that a nursery (Just Fruits and Exotics) grew from seeds and another from the Escambia Forest that I understand was grown from a cutting by a local nursery. Anyway the instructions provided said to put the paw paws in shade while they were young. I placed them in a drained portion of a forested creek bottom. I suspect the soil is acid. I am planning to cut down the shading trees and maybe fertilize and otherwise amend the soil. What do you or anyone else here use to amend the soil about paw paws?

Thanks

H2O 02-29-2012 11:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by barnetmill (Post 188177)
From the list I see that you have a lot of experience. I am not having good results from the Pomegranate and the Paw Paw.

It is for the Paw Paw that I am currently looking for advice. They do apparently grow wild in some areas nearby to me. What I have are three plants that a nursery (Just Fruits and Exotics) grew from seeds and another from the Escambia Forest that I understand was grown from a cutting by a local nursery. Anyway the instructions provided said to put the paw paws in shade while they were young. I placed them in a drained portion of a forested creek bottom. I suspect the soil is acid. I am planning to cut down the shading trees and maybe fertilize and otherwise amend the soil. What do you or anyone else here use to amend the soil about paw paws?

Thanks

  • PawPaw :
    From seeds keywords are seeds freshness and 3 month cold stratification at 4C (39F). The young plant must avoid direct sunlight for the first 2 years.
    Older PawPaw can bear direct sunlight

    I got 3 "one year old" that suffered of direct sunlight because i didn't know.
    Now, a few leafs appears, after a winter at home in pots.

    I will try seed from an American store this year.
    They do sell "KY Champion Pawpaw Scions" & others for grafting but with Domestic shipment only. PawPaw Scions can't produce root
    Of course, from seed, i won't have fruits before 7 years i think.
    Here is the link that will help you with more details.

    You can move your pawpaw in good soil but keep a little old soil in contact with roots as they do not like transplant that much!
    see Can I transplant trees or root suckers from my woods?
    .
  • Pomegrenade :
    For seeds, easy, but 1 month cold stratification at 4C (39F) is necessary.
    Of course pulp have to be removed before stratification.
    From my experience, germinating the 12th day after sowing in good compost 5 to 10mm deep (0.39 in. max). (Near windows & heat + I put the little pot in a clear bag to keep humidity.= quicker)

    Effect of stratification on seed germination and seedling
    performance of wild pomegranate


barnetmill 02-29-2012 11:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by H2O (Post 188183)
  • PawPaw :
    From seeds keywords are seeds freshness and 3 month cold stratification at 4C (39F). The young plant must avoid direct sunlight for the first 2 years.
    Older PawPaw can bear direct sunlight

    I got 3 "one year old" that suffered of direct sunlight because i didn't know.
    Now, a few leafs appears, after a winter at home in pots.

    I will try seed from an American store this year.
    They do sell "KY Champion Pawpaw Scions" & others for grafting but with Domestic shipment only. PawPaw Scions can't produce root
    Of course, from seed, i won't have fruits before 7 years i think.
    Here is the link that will help you with more details.

    You can move your pawpaw in good soil but keep a little old soil in contact with roots as they do not like transplant that much!
    see Can I transplant trees or root suckers from my woods?
    .
  • Pomegrenade :
    For seeds, easy, but 1 month cold stratification at 4C (39F) is necessary.
    Of course pulp have to be removed before stratification.
    From my experience, germinating the 12th day after sowing in good compost 5 to 10mm deep (0.39 in. max). (Near windows & heat + I put the little pot in a clear bag to keep humidity.= quicker)

    Effect of stratification on seed germination and seedling
    performance of wild pomegranate


It seems they are ready for sunlight. Better amending of the soil is next. Thanks very much for the information.

My problem is that my soil is very poor. Previously the major industry on this land was silvaculture of pine trees because regular farming crops like corn and cotton did not do well.

H2O 02-29-2012 12:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by barnetmill (Post 188187)
It seems they are ready for sunlight. Better amending of the soil is next. Thanks very much for the information.

My problem is that my soil is very poor. Previously the major industry on this land was silvaculture of pine trees because regular farming crops like corn and cotton did not do well.

Hopefully tap root will find better soil deeper . (Asimina has a long tap root)

barnetmill 02-29-2012 01:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by H2O (Post 188197)
Hopefully tap root will find better soil deeper . (Asimina has a long tap root)

Well that is important to know about a long taproot. The soil in most places of my property gets worse as you go downward.
I have not had much success with pecan which has a very long taproot or walnuts yet, but the blight resistant dunstan chestnut and a chinese chestnut are doing well. The native chinquapin type of chestnuts will not survive on my place I assume due to blight.

H2O 02-29-2012 01:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by barnetmill (Post 188202)
Well that is important to know about a long taproot. The soil in most places of my property gets worse as you go downward.
I have not had much success with pecan or walnuts yet, but the blight resistant dunstan chestnut and a chinese chestnut are doing well. The native chinquapin type of chestnuts will not survive on my place I assume due to blight.

Then i wish you luck in amending of the soil !

stumpy4700 02-29-2012 10:54 PM

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Welcome H2O, from Nashville, Tennessee USA....Good luck with your seeds.

palmtree 03-01-2012 02:16 AM

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Welcome from NYC! Im really bad at starting most plants from seed so I hope you have more luck than I do. I hear that Musa Velutina is one of the easiest bananas to start from seed so you might want to try them!
Im also a bit impatient when it comes to growing things from seed and banana plants are very slow to start from seed. If you can find pups, definitely try those. You will be more confident that you were given the correct species (sometimes seeds are not ID'ed correctly) and you will get tall plants much faster. I got a Musa saba as a small pup in October 2010 and now just 1.5 years later it is 9 feet tall and grows very fast during hot weather!
Good luck!


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