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Hello all!

This is my first post here so apologies if this somehow ends up in the wrong forum. I thought I'd start off by showing ya'll my two Musa Basjoo's I've recently started to grow from young plug plants. The larger of the two was bought from Groupon in 2019 and the smaller one was bought last summer. Both have been kept in pots and brought into the garage over winter to keep the psuedos alive.

I bit the bullet this year and planted them in the ground so I have a few questions with regards to winter protection. The cold temperatures of Scotland's winters don't worry me too much... it's the wet wet wet winters I'm concerned about. Does anyone here have any experience of dealing with very wet cold winters? Whats the best means of protection to prevent water rot?

Both plants have been planted in pretty poor clay soil. I did dig out holes 2ft wide and 2ft deep prior to planting out and filled with good quality compost but I'm worried that it is just going to act like a bucket in winter and keep the banana roots submerged in water. Anyone else's experiences would come in real handy!

Anyway here are my pictures from this year, first picture was taken on day of planting out 15th April 2021 and then today's pictures, 12th July 2021. I've also included a picture of the hole prior to plating so you can see the top soil layer and the clay layer beneath.
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I suggest raising the bed 6" to a foot above the normal surface level so that about a 1/3 of the corm and roots is higher and drier and there is better drainage. I have had good luck using a raised bed for more water sensitive plants such as Patupi. Basjoo are suppose to be pretty tough so maybe this is not necessary.

Note: Just looked at your last pic again and yeah that looks like pottery clay. LOL. Digging out the hole is the way to go but you also need to cap it by raising the bed. Good job and good luck!

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Welcome, and you will love them outside.

Doesn't really look like you have many options for improving drainage out of the area, so if it were me, I would seriously consider mounding the plants...... raised beds with good draining mix might be the easiest option from a longer term management perspective. Even 1 foot elevation will likely be enough.

Another quick option, depending on ground water flow, would just be to pile a large amount of mulch around the plant and cover it with a tarp to keep it dry. But again, if winter ground water in the area is a problem, that won't do much.

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p.s. is that a P. japonica in the corner? If so can I assume you are aware they are fast spreaders if not managed? Not really sure how they would compete with a basjoo though.......basjoos are pretty beastly.
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Hey guys thanks for the replies! A raised bed option does sound like a good idea and it would look nice tied in with the current decking. When would you say is the best time to dig up the Basjoo’s in order to create the raised bed?

Sirdoofus, you have a keen eye sir. Yes that is Arrow Bamboo... I have a narrow trench dug under the mulch between the bananas and bamboo and I just snip off any new shoots that try to cross over. Haven’t had to do it yet right enough so hoping the rhizomes are travelling in a different direction.
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Do you think I should leave them in the ground and hope it’s not a boggy winter and dig them up when they start to show signs of life in the spring?
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Do you think I should leave them in the ground and hope it’s not a boggy winter and dig them up when they start to show signs of life in the spring?
No. Banana plants are way more susceptible to root rot in wet conditions when dormant (winter) vs. active and growing (summer). It won't be the cold that kills your plants but the underground rot.
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I agrree withh Akula....if it were me I would raise them now. you don't necessarily have to build the raised beds right away, you could just build planting mounds at the eventual raised bed level, bring the plants up a bit, and build the raised beds around them as you have time.

Like Akula said in a previous post, basjoos are pretty darn tough plants, but I would do it sooner rather than later while there is still growing season to develop the root structure.

Trenching around running bamboo is my preferred method of spread management too...works great and is easy!
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Awesome guys thanks for all your replies! I think what I’ll do is dig them up in the fall and put them in the garage for winter and plant them out in a raised bed in spring. They’re growing so well at the moment and I don’t want to disturb the growth as I’m obviously trying to get them to maximum height before winter.
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Hello all!

This is my first post here so apologies if this somehow ends up in the wrong forum. I thought I'd start off by showing ya'll my two Musa Basjoo's I've recently started to grow from young plug plants. The larger of the two was bought from Groupon in 2019 and the smaller one was bought last summer. Both have been kept in pots and brought into the garage over winter to keep the psuedos alive.

I bit the bullet this year and planted them in the ground so I have a few questions with regards to winter protection. The cold temperatures of Scotland's winters don't worry me too much... it's the wet wet wet winters I'm concerned about. Does anyone here have any experience of dealing with very wet cold winters? Whats the best means of protection to prevent water rot?

Both plants have been planted in pretty poor clay soil. I did dig out holes 2ft wide and 2ft deep prior to planting out and filled with good quality compost but I'm worried that it is just going to act like a bucket in winter and keep the banana roots submerged in water. Anyone else's experiences would come in real handy!

Anyway here are my pictures from this year, first picture was taken on day of planting out 15th April 2021 and then today's pictures, 12th July 2021. I've also included a picture of the hole prior to plating so you can see the top soil layer and the clay layer beneath.
i was just in Scotland! ur banana plant should be fine but should be protected in winter. good luck
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Hello all!

This is my first post here so apologies if this somehow ends up in the wrong forum. I thought I'd start off by showing ya'll my two Musa Basjoo's I've recently started to grow from young plug plants. The larger of the two was bought from Groupon in 2019 and the smaller one was bought last summer. Both have been kept in pots and brought into the garage over winter to keep the psuedos alive.

I bit the bullet this year and planted them in the ground so I have a few questions with regards to winter protection. The cold temperatures of Scotland's winters don't worry me too much... it's the wet wet wet winters I'm concerned about. Does anyone here have any experience of dealing with very wet cold winters? Whats the best means of protection to prevent water rot?

Both plants have been planted in pretty poor clay soil. I did dig out holes 2ft wide and 2ft deep prior to planting out and filled with good quality compost but I'm worried that it is just going to act like a bucket in winter and keep the banana roots submerged in water. Anyone else's experiences would come in real handy!

Anyway here are my pictures from this year, first picture was taken on day of planting out 15th April 2021 and then today's pictures, 12th July 2021. I've also included a picture of the hole prior to plating so you can see the top soil layer and the clay layer beneath.
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Awesome guys thanks for all your replies! I think what I’ll do is dig them up in the fall and put them in the garage for winter and plant them out in a raised bed in spring. They’re growing so well at the moment and I don’t want to disturb the growth as I’m obviously trying to get them to maximum height before winter.
Sounds like a good plan. Keep us posted.
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No. Banana plants are way more susceptible to root rot in wet conditions when dormant (winter) vs. active and growing (summer). It won't be the cold that kills your plants but the underground rot.
^ This.

To make a long story short, when I had a family emergency during a garden "remodel" that had several plants dug up, I tossed my Black Thai into the shallow end of my goldfish pond so that it would not dry out under the Florida summer sun. Did just fine.
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Good luck, but I think you have too many plants in that small area. Just one of those banana roots will consume that area with time. What is going to happen is that as those three plants starts maturing, their roots will grow into each other. That will increase root density per square inch in the soil, making them prone to root rot, and deficiencies. Its not the water that causes root rot, but the lack of oxygen to the root zone. I have seen root rot in container bound plants that were given little water.
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Wish I had some sound advice for your specific issue, but I am quite new and here for newbie advice, too. I wonder if you should put a good layer of sand at the bottom of the planted area to help with drainage.
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Thank you everyone for your replies. We’ve had quite a mild autumn so far but I will be digging them up with week for winter storage and working on conditioning the soil. My plan is still to build a raised bed where they are now and fill with good, fertile, well draining soil. I may dig up the bamboo too and put it in a raised trough of sorts.

Anyway, here’s how the bananas looked at end of September before the wind came in and shredded them to bits!

Update: struggling to upload pictures to post, does anyone know a simple way?
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Are the pictures less than 2mb in size?
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As all43 states...Check the file size. I had trouble and as soon as I adjusted the file size, they uploaded just fine.
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Ok thanks guys.... See attached updated picture as of end of September 😀
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