Bananas.org

Welcome to the Bananas.org forums.

You're currently viewing our message boards as a guest which gives you limited access to participate in discussions and access our other features such as our wiki and photo gallery. By joining our community, you'll have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Go Back   Bananas.org > Site News, Help, & Suggestions > Bananas.org Site News
Register Photo Gallery Classifieds Wiki Chat Map Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Bananas.org Site News This is where general announcements about Bananas.org are posted.


Members currently in the chatroom: 0
The most chatters online in one day was 17, 09-06-2009.
No one is currently using the chat.

Reply   Email this Page Email this Page
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 07-12-2008, 11:55 AM   #21 (permalink)
WUTSA V8
 
tlturbo's Avatar
 
Location: Bokeelia, FL
Zone: 10
Name: Terry
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 365
BananaBucks : 108,066
Feedback: 3 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1 Times
Was Thanked 87 Times in 51 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

Very well said.
tlturbo is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To tlturbo
Old 07-12-2008, 12:15 PM   #22 (permalink)
Professional Amateur
 
microfarmer's Avatar
 
Location: Zone 9 Sack-o-tomato, CA
Zone: CA zone 9b
Name: Senor Excessivo
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 724
BananaBucks : 68,541
Feedback: 11 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 624 Times
Was Thanked 208 Times in 106 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

I have learned quite a bit about bananas since my first plant and finding Bananas.org. I want to thank you all! I also would like to say that the Expert badge by my name looks really good. I'll admit I was fairly literate in the growing plants department, but bananas sent me back to shool...so to speak. I never had tried to grow plants that didn't like the cold and died.

A lot of stuff has been brought up regarding testing. For someone to get recognized and ahead in this world there is test after test as you aquire knowledge and skill. There is a test required for the Master Gardener program and you can't be a doctor without your share as you go thru school. The military does it that way, the colleges do it that way, the martial arts schools do it that way, so why shouldn't we do it that way? This would give all our members something to show for their knowledge, and also something to strive for if less than expert.

Now... I can tell some of the members who have the most experience with bananas, but alot of them have had years of formal training either hands on at a nursery/plantation, or through some type of school/apprenticeship program. Those individuals are a valuable resource and should get the credit they deserve! On the other hand, just because you've spent years doing something doesn't mean it qualifies you as an expert. It's what you get out of the work and what you pass along to others. Example: You can work in a tire shop for years, yet know nothing about how tires are made or what the best tire would be for certain applications. At the same time, someone on a Formula 1 pit crew may have had extensive training on tires and which to use for what track conditions or course, but will not know which tires are best for their family's car for the highway. This is where the test fits in. It tells the world how well you were paying attention, but it needs to be somewhat universal.


I am up for any test you might have, but the test must consider all participants goals. I don't particularly have any big desire to learn everything there is to know about the species bananas, as I enjoy the edibles more and the challenges of growing them in a marginal habitat and mixed with other plants/plantings. I do have a stronger knowledge of what it takes to bring a banana thru a tough winter without total loss. Have I perfected my procedures to the point of no loss? No. But my average is getting better, and I keep trying new things. I will be naturally less likely to be able to answer questions about species bananas. Don't get me wrong...I have some species bananas, and enjoy them too, it just doesn't matter to me like it matters to someone like Gabe. InkCube on the other hand has alot of plantation experience and how to get the most production.

Back to the 'going thru school' references, I feel we would need a series of tests, say 5-7 of them, starting out very simply with the first test with something like 'name the parts of a banana plant' and if you get a certain percentage correct you get a badge like 'Banana Apprentice' or 'Banana Friend', and then get to go on to the next test which would be a bit harder (like what are the top 5 diseases to affect bananas or some such) and ending with the 'Expert' level 7 tests later. You would need to pass the first test before you could take the second test. I also like the time limit and random questions to foil web surfing the answers. The toughest part is tailoring each test so that cold or warm climate, edible or species, no matter where in the world you are, you can achieve each level. Another possibility is an expert test for each area of banana growing (species, cold growing, production, diseases)

Whan it comes to the expert badges, it should go to someone who is an expert at bananas, not just posting about bananas without substance. Good luck with this Jarred! Don't forget your no.2 pencils!

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by pitangadiego View Post
There is no excuse for still having grass. I haven't mowed in 20 years. With all that space, I could plant another 100 bananas.
My new hero...
microfarmer is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To microfarmer
Old 07-12-2008, 12:21 PM   #23 (permalink)
Tally-Man

 
MediaHound's Avatar
 
Location: Florida
Zone: 10
Name: Jarred
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,260
BananaBucks : 1,983,712
Feedback: 66 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,855 Times
Was Thanked 5,075 Times in 1,352 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2,086 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

Thanks for all the feedback here on the thread and via PM that several members have sent to me. The whole system is under review now and all comments at this point are greatly appreciated.
__________________
Apologies in advance if I am slow to reply to your PM. I suggest posting in the forums for support if you need something urgent.
MediaHound is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To MediaHound
Said thanks:
Old 07-12-2008, 03:50 PM   #24 (permalink)
Mechwarrior
 
STEELVIPER's Avatar
 
Location: Riverside,CA
Zone: 9B
Name: Mark
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 724
BananaBucks : 74,394
Feedback: 2 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 44 Times
Was Thanked 102 Times in 62 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 169 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to STEELVIPER
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

What ever Jarred wants to do is fine by me. Its his site. He can run it as he wishes. If people would take the time to "read" post and not just look at pictures then they would all lean something. Also reading all the "old" post sure would help gain knowledge also. I think people on here have to go a few seasons with some success and some failures to be labeled an "expert" I think for this site simply answering some questions other members post and sharing you knowledge from what you have learned can lead you on the path to expert. There are no "Dumb" questions,and i do not care how many times that question was asked. ASK AGAIN!!! lol Im ok with the expert badge. Im a bananas.com expert. But!! on this site. And only on this site. try going to Dave's Garden and telling people that. All in all nothing can replace experience. And that is what makes an expert. And an "expert" shares his experiences on this site.
__________________
STEELVIPER is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To STEELVIPER
Said thanks:
Old 07-12-2008, 08:52 PM   #25 (permalink)
 
island cassie's Avatar
 
Location: Dominican Republic
Zone: 11+ I guess
Name: Island Cassie
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,170
BananaBucks : 374,526
Feedback: 2 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,708 Times
Was Thanked 2,079 Times in 874 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 416 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

This is one of the best plant/banana sites on the web and I would not criticise it in any way!! I was surprised to be awarded Expert Member status which I did not feel I deserved as I am a newcomer to nanas, so I am quite happy with the idea of some sort of assessment before people are awarded Expert Member status. I defer to people who have technical experience in the field. I grow for fun and experience.
Whatever makes the site work is good - as there is so much valuable information there.

Chill and be happy
Cassie
island cassie is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To island cassie
Said thanks:
Old 07-12-2008, 11:03 PM   #26 (permalink)
Bananaculturist
 
Bananaman88's Avatar
 
Location: Houston, TX area
Zone: 9
Name: Brent
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,019
BananaBucks : 216,127
Feedback: 22 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,339 Times
Was Thanked 2,263 Times in 1,178 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 191 Times
Send a message via Skype™ to Bananaman88
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

Jarred, buddy, I don't envy you right now having to take all of this in and process it all. Very good comments by all, in my opinion. I do think this site is many things to many people. Maybe more for fun than learning to some, to others maybe more about learning. I think we all can't help but learn something in the time we spend here. I am OK with or without the "Expert" badge system. I come here to learn and share knowledge and experiences. I feel that I get advice and learn as much, if not more, than I give it or help others at times. I truly enjoy the sense of community (easier than trying to spell commaraderie) here and that makes it enough for me. Good luck with whatever you decide!
Bananaman88 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Bananaman88
Said thanks:
Old 07-12-2008, 11:46 PM   #27 (permalink)
 
xavierdlc61887's Avatar
 
Zone: 9b
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 870
BananaBucks : 7,220
Feedback: 19 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 379 Times
Was Thanked 342 Times in 183 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 107 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

i think u should have like recommendations, like u need 10 recommendations to be an expert.... that way it wont be cheating.....its legit if people vote u in being a expert then thats good but a test......it doesn't mean anything....monkeys can pass tests :P.....even more if they are multiple choice....that brings me to something else if its a typed test someone has to go over them and decide.....anyway i think a set (Ex. 10 recommendations) would be a sufficient number to call oneself a expert....because 10 people are vouching that one is a expert :P ahahaha ok well disregard this if its to dumb
xavierdlc61887 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To xavierdlc61887
Said thanks:
Old 07-13-2008, 12:23 AM   #28 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 662
BananaBucks : 102,873
Feedback: 12 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 136 Times
Was Thanked 118 Times in 76 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 54 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

I was a little hesitant to post on this one. I just recently received the badge. Do I deserve it? I don't know. Someone obviously felt I did. I agree with both sides of the fence, but personally am more on the negative side of this fence. There is the issue of cheating, whether it's timed or not. I know for myself, if I had to, I could pass a timed internet test with "cheating". I know for some, test timing would also take longer than say MediaHound or Gabe, but they might (even without cheating) take longer to answer those questions. Plus it would HIGHLY be unfair to give the test to the person(s) writing up the test and average out their scores because they'll fly through the test already knowing what the questions are and their answers and not have to even put any mental thought into it.

Personally though i don't feel being able to go and find the answer while taking a test such as this would in fact be cheating, but rather learning. So therefore a test really wouldn't validate anything more than your ability to learn. Isn't that what the site is all about? Learning from one another. Be happy, grow and eat bananas! Having just said that, I believe we could do away with the "expert" badges! Don't make any one feel any more or less inferior. Also I don't feel that there could be any specific good test for being considered a "banana expert." To truely become an expert, you'd of had to have made your life dedicated to bananas! Go to school to learn only about herbaceous plants, continue that studying into the musa family and dedicate your life to it. I don't know anyone here that has done that at all, but maybe there is one or two out there. I know one or two that might be close to having a musa dedicated life, but by far I personally only believe not even halfway there! Even Jarred has a life beyond bananas.org! You can be very knowledgable about how to care for the plants, but in many cases that knowledge also can only apply to your own experiences, conditions, say what zone your in, your soil, the seasons you have, your methods of mending your soil, organic/non-organic... and that list could continue on and on and go into sub catagories such as TCing, seeds and other forms of propagation.

However I do feel a test in fun would be nice. It would let people validate what they know, and let them learn what they haven't and might be fun and helpful to new members as well to let them learn basic care. Just put the test in the main catagory and sticky it on the top!

Now for my feelings summed up, as if I hadn't said them yet. LOL I think we should all just enjoy the site, and not get so hung up on a badge or title. It's not like it's going to further our lives if we do or don't have it. We know what our own knowledge is, but at the same time, knowledge is learning, and learning becomes knowledge. Would I take the test? Only if it were a test for fun. I don't need a badge to show who I am. Again, grow and eat bananas, be happy!
jpfloors is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To jpfloors
Old 07-13-2008, 12:29 AM   #29 (permalink)
 
xavierdlc61887's Avatar
 
Zone: 9b
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 870
BananaBucks : 7,220
Feedback: 19 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 379 Times
Was Thanked 342 Times in 183 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 107 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

thank u JP....if there was a triple thank you button i would give it to u because yes it does seem like this whole badge thing is becoming a big deal :P when it should just be grow,eat and share your knowledge

its true this site has turned into who knows more than who...well i feel that way but please dont gang up on me :P if u do oh well whatever :P um yeah jp u got a good point

all these new features are way too much i was happy with the old site where everyone came here and asked questions and learned and was happy....now a days it seems these badges are taking over and have nothing to do with bananas :P
xavierdlc61887 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To xavierdlc61887
Said thanks:
Old 07-13-2008, 07:57 AM   #30 (permalink)
WUTSA V8
 
tlturbo's Avatar
 
Location: Bokeelia, FL
Zone: 10
Name: Terry
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 365
BananaBucks : 108,066
Feedback: 3 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1 Times
Was Thanked 87 Times in 51 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

I think JP summed it up pretty good but I have to add something.

IF a person is THAT hung up on having an EXPERT designation on a banana board on the internet, and especially those that would try and get the designation in a shady manner, I REALLY think you need to get a REAL LIFE. It's a hobby for goodness sake. ANYONE that spends time on here knows who to ask if they have a serious question. Any kind of rating system does nothing but cause competition and for what??? A stupid designation. WHOOO WHOOO - look at me - I got an EXPERT BADGE. SO WHAT!!!!

Lets PLEASE GET BACK to BANANAS. Quit messing with the board, adding all this crazy stuff just because it can be done, etc. I for one don't live on here and I don't come on here nearly as much as I used to. This is the type of stuff that is driving the older members that came here just to talk bananas away.

Again just my worthless $.02 opinion.
tlturbo is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To tlturbo
Said thanks:
Old 07-13-2008, 08:28 AM   #31 (permalink)
Living in Exile
 
damaclese's Avatar
 
Location: Henderson NV
Zone: 9 Mediterranean climate
Name: Paulo
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,767
BananaBucks : 282,647
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 1,352 Times
Was Thanked 1,620 Times in 706 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 101 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

Quote:
Originally Posted by tlturbo View Post
I think JP summed it up pretty good but I have to add something.

IF a person is THAT hung up on having an EXPERT designation on a banana board on the internet, and especially those that would try and get the designation in a shady manner, I REALLY think you need to get a REAL LIFE. It's a hobby for goodness sake. ANYONE that spends time on here knows who to ask if they have a serious question. Any kind of rating system does nothing but cause competition and for what??? A stupid designation. WHOOO WHOOO - look at me - I got an EXPERT BADGE. SO WHAT!!!!

Lets PLEASE GET BACK to BANANAS. Quit messing with the board, adding all this crazy stuff just because it can be done, etc. I for one don't live on here and I don't come on here nearly as much as I used to. This is the type of stuff that is driving the older members that came here just to talk bananas away.

Again just my worthless $.02 opinion.
Here! Here! and all give you $.04 for that Opinion lol!
__________________
Helping to foster understanding for the learning disabled

damaclese is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To damaclese
Said thanks:

Join Bananas.org Today!

Are you a banana plant enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Bananas.org is owned and operated by fellow banana plant enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information. Receive all three issues from Volume 1 of Bananas Magazine with your membership:
   

Join Bananas.org Today! - Click Here


Sponsors

Old 07-13-2008, 10:20 AM   #32 (permalink)
Tally-Man

 
MediaHound's Avatar
 
Location: Florida
Zone: 10
Name: Jarred
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,260
BananaBucks : 1,983,712
Feedback: 66 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,855 Times
Was Thanked 5,075 Times in 1,352 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2,086 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

Still soaking it all in. I'm leaning in the direction that we just might get rid of it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xavierdlc61887 View Post
if there was a triple thank you button i would give it to u
I felt that way with some comments as well.
__________________
Apologies in advance if I am slow to reply to your PM. I suggest posting in the forums for support if you need something urgent.
MediaHound is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To MediaHound
Old 07-13-2008, 10:26 AM   #33 (permalink)
 
Taylor's Avatar
 
Location: VA
Zone: 8a
Name: Taylor
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,084
BananaBucks : 210,149
Feedback: 15 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 355 Times
Was Thanked 662 Times in 334 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 283 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

Oh shucks! Right after I got it, too! LOL

Just playing.
Taylor is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Taylor
Old 07-13-2008, 11:09 AM   #34 (permalink)
 
island cassie's Avatar
 
Location: Dominican Republic
Zone: 11+ I guess
Name: Island Cassie
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,170
BananaBucks : 374,526
Feedback: 2 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,708 Times
Was Thanked 2,079 Times in 874 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 416 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

It is all about the bananas after all!!!

Cassie
island cassie is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To island cassie
Said thanks:
Old 07-13-2008, 11:50 AM   #35 (permalink)
 
buzzwinder's Avatar
 
Location: Loves Park, Il.
Zone: 5
Name: Bill
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 871
BananaBucks : 11,803
Feedback: 3 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,043 Times
Was Thanked 846 Times in 354 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,155 Times
Send a message via Yahoo to buzzwinder
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

Very well said JP. Bravo
__________________
Click for Loves Park, Illinois Forecast

Bill for my friend
buzzwinder is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To buzzwinder
Said thanks:
Sponsors

Old 07-13-2008, 12:54 PM   #36 (permalink)
 
saltydad's Avatar
 
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland USA
Zone: 7a
Name: Howard
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 4,552
BananaBucks : 172,694
Feedback: 2 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 14,712 Times
Was Thanked 4,662 Times in 1,778 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 824 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

Perhaps the successful test taker could be labeled as a "Certified Banana ______". We could even have exams of differing complexity so we could see how we have progressed in our own knowledge, as Mskitty has observed. The results would lead to differing levels of attainment.

Edit- I missed microfarmer's post where he brought up the idea of tests of ascending difficulty. Sorry to plagiarize.
__________________
Men In Nursing- "A Few Good Men"

"Gardening is the purest of human pleasures." - Francis Bacon





"If by a liberal, they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind; someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions; someone who cares about the welfare of the people, their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, their civil liberties; someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicion that grips us; that is what they meant by a liberal, I am proud to be a liberal."
John F. Kennedy, September, 1960


http://flickr.com/photos/saltydad/ and
http://community.webshots.com/user/saltydad
http://s751.photobucket.com/albums/xx151/saltydad/


Last edited by saltydad : 07-18-2008 at 11:50 PM.
saltydad is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To saltydad
Old 07-13-2008, 03:11 PM   #37 (permalink)
Banana addict
 
natedogg1026's Avatar
 
Location: Pittsburg, Kansas
Zone: 6b
Name: Nate
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 640
BananaBucks : 285,385
Feedback: 2 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 139 Times
Was Thanked 176 Times in 110 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

I'm not sure we need it. Sorry to charm in late. I gotta agree with JP. He pretty much hit the nail on the head. I don't think it's a fair measurement and just makes for competition. I really don't know if there is a fair way we can measure it in cyberspace or at all. I know it was for fun and took time to create Jarred but I think it has been taken too seriously. It's causing a problem. Do away with it. Just my opinion.
__________________
Banana's are a safe addiction. Right?Maybe I need classes.
natedogg1026 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To natedogg1026
Said thanks:
Old 07-13-2008, 03:35 PM   #38 (permalink)
Professional Amateur
 
microfarmer's Avatar
 
Location: Zone 9 Sack-o-tomato, CA
Zone: CA zone 9b
Name: Senor Excessivo
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 724
BananaBucks : 68,541
Feedback: 11 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 624 Times
Was Thanked 208 Times in 106 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

Quote:
Originally Posted by natedogg1026 View Post
Maybe I need classes.
Banana classes? How 'bout B.OU

(Bananas.org University)
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by pitangadiego View Post
There is no excuse for still having grass. I haven't mowed in 20 years. With all that space, I could plant another 100 bananas.
My new hero...
microfarmer is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To microfarmer
Old 07-13-2008, 04:02 PM   #39 (permalink)
Member
 
CookieCows's Avatar
 
Location: Kentucky
Zone: 6-7
Name: Deb
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,182
BananaBucks : 71,585
Feedback: 3 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,347 Times
Was Thanked 696 Times in 393 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 159 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

Quote:
Originally Posted by microfarmer View Post
Banana classes? How 'bout B.OU

(Bananas.org University)
Yeah! I spent most of the winter here at BOU and now the sun's out and I get hands on!!!!

Still in school ... always will be!
__________________

CookieCows is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To CookieCows
Old 07-13-2008, 04:39 PM   #40 (permalink)
Professional Amateur
 
microfarmer's Avatar
 
Location: Zone 9 Sack-o-tomato, CA
Zone: CA zone 9b
Name: Senor Excessivo
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 724
BananaBucks : 68,541
Feedback: 11 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 624 Times
Was Thanked 208 Times in 106 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Quiz for Expert Member seal

Quote:
Originally Posted by CookieCows View Post
Yeah! I spent most of the winter here at BOU and now the sun's out and I get hands on!!!!

Still in school ... always will be!
I hear you! It'll be some time before I graduate!
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by pitangadiego View Post
There is no excuse for still having grass. I haven't mowed in 20 years. With all that space, I could plant another 100 bananas.
My new hero...
microfarmer is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To microfarmer
Reply   Email this Page Email this Page






Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:27 AM.





All content © Bananas.org & the respective author.