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Scuba_Dave
09-22-2009, 07:48 AM
Norton Antivirus shuts off if not renewed
Well I wasn't aware of this - bought NAV 2008, free upgrade to 2009
I'm used to every AV product I have ever used simply stopping the updates
Nope Norton SHUTS IT OFF when the subscription expires http://www.diychatroom.com/images/smilies/censored.gif
Unless Norton changes this I've used their product for the last time
In addition their "online" renewal is DOUBLE the cost of buying THE SAME SOFTWARE from other vendors
AND - I just found out if you Renewed IN ADVANCE of your renewal date YOU LOST the remaining time on your subscription
So they have %$#@#!! me over in the past http://www.diychatroom.com/images/smilies/censored.gif
http://www.geek-news.net/2008/09/sym...n-lawsuit.html (http://www.geek-news.net/2008/09/symantec-faces-class-action-lawsuit.html)
EXTREMELY unethical business practices in my opinion
For now I've installed AVG
Not sure if I will stick with that or go with something else
JuniPerez
09-22-2009, 07:58 AM
Check with your internet provider... some broadband packages, such as Roadrunner (Time Warner), include free AntiVirus that renews yearly as long as you are a customer. Mine comes with CA's eTrust security, which is really good.
Jananas Bananas
09-22-2009, 08:04 AM
I have used Norton and McAfee in the past but use Avast now. It is free if you aren't using it for a business. I recommend it! Norton $crewed me over as well, and way over priced for the service you get if you ask me. Just my 2 cents! ~JaNan
Jack Daw
09-22-2009, 08:39 AM
Use NOD32. It's written and designed by Slovaks and also supported by the brightest programmers from my university here in Slovakia (one of few really good Slovak businesses). They make progress each day.
If you must use antivirus, that is. If not, then don't use antivirus at all. :D Learn how to restore partition images. :nanadrink:
BIGDAWG69
09-22-2009, 09:21 AM
AVG - I have been using it for about 4 years now - great stuff and its FREE!
AVG Free - Download Free Antivirus and Antispyware for Windows 7, Vista and XP (http://free.avg.com/)
momoese
09-22-2009, 09:27 AM
Use NOD32.
Agreed, and most PC geeks will say the same. I dumped Norton and installed ESET and my old PC is now way faster and safe too! No more slow downs while Norton updates. ESET updates while I'm using the PC and I never even know until the little window says something.
ESET - Antivirus Software with Spyware and Malware Protection (http://www.eset.com/)
Jack Daw
09-22-2009, 09:43 AM
Agreed, and most PC geeks will say the same. I dumped Norton and installed ESET and my old PC is now way faster and safe too! No more slow downs while Norton updates. ESET updates while I'm using the PC and I never even know until the little window says something.
ESET - Antivirus Software with Spyware and Malware Protection (http://www.eset.com/)
As I've said, clever students usually design components here. :D Running smoothly and the newer versions don't even take up so much memory. Usually only a few MB, whilest using only 2% from a dual core 2.0 GHz processor while running in the background.
Although I prefer restoring image once in a while. If only manufacturer's were making drivers also for Linux Debian. :(
Scuba_Dave
09-22-2009, 10:05 AM
My PC does seem to be running faster
I still have 1 year left on my wife's PC
Then I'll switch that to another AV product
djmb74
09-22-2009, 10:43 AM
I've been building PC systems for years and have fixed who knows how many virus laden machines over the years. I have used almost every virus system that is out there and recommend hands down Kaspersky Internet Security!
Norton is such a memory hog and does not catch everything. Its so popular because of the contracts they have to be installed on new machines. Its one of the worst ones out there in my opinion!
I've installed Kaspersky on well over 100 machines and most of them for people that also had problems with clicking on the wrong stuff and filling their machines with ad ware!
4 programs I recommend to be loaded on all machines.
Internet Security Software 2010 for Home Computer Security - Kaspersky Lab (http://www.kaspersky.com/kaspersky_internet_security)
Glary Utilities - Reviews and free Glary Utilities downloads at Download.com (http://download.cnet.com/Glary-Utilities/3000-2094_4-10508531.html?part=dl-6280556&subj=dl&tag=button)
Glary Utilities... its free and keeps your system nice and tidy!
Revo Uninstaller - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com (http://download.cnet.com/Revo-Uninstaller/3000-2096_4-10687648.html?tag=mncol)
revo uninstaller its free, use it to uninstall any programs you don't want on your system. It gets all the files left behind.
CCleaner - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com (http://download.cnet.com/ccleaner/?tag=mncol)
ccleaner free as well... great little program that cleans up your pc as well!
No need for any ad ware removal programs as Kaspersky catches all ad ware!
I have 6 kids that and 5 computer systems at the house and many years ago when I wasn't using Kaspersky I would have all kinds of computer issues. Since I started using Kaspersky I have not had a single ad ware or virus and believe me when I tell you a few of my computers are really put to the test!
Richard
09-22-2009, 11:52 AM
If you are using Microsoft Windows XP or earlier, you can download for free Microsoft Defender and then throw away all the others. If you are using Microsoft Vista, it is already included.
djmb74
09-22-2009, 12:13 PM
No offense Richard... but that is not very good advice.
Most hackers virus makers ad ware punks and over all internet bad guys spend all their time programing stuff to crack Microsoft software. One of the things that makes a program such as kaspersky so successful is the constant updating it does to counteract new stuff trying to infect your machine. Kaspersky updates every hour! There are a lot of people out there sitting at computers 24/7 trying to get your Identity and all kinds of other crazy stuff such as hijack your system or coerce you to buy something you don't need.
Windows defender does not update frequently enough and it has always been buggy and has to be reinstalled frequently! You can do a Google search and see all kinds of questions from people trying to fix issues with windows defender over the years!!!
If you are using Microsoft Windows XP or earlier, you can download for free Microsoft Defender and then throw away all the others. If you are using Microsoft Vista, it is already included.
Patty in Wisc
09-22-2009, 02:36 PM
My puter came w/ Norton AV free for one year & when the year was up, I got a email to renew Norton - so I did & paid for it online. For the next year, it didn't work - I got all kinds of viruses. Then, I got another email another year later to renew & the 'from' addy was a junk addy - not Norton. I paid some idiot who took my $$!!! I was a newbie then.
Thanks to all for the links to free AV!
Forgot to say that if you download another AV, Norton won't go away to let them on your puter. Even if you remove the program. You need a special "key" from Norton to remove it from your puter.
Richard
09-22-2009, 02:45 PM
No offense Richard... but that is not very good advice.
No offense taken. Under a lawsuit from the European Union, Microsoft was required last year to provide industry-grade virus software built into Vista and a back-compatible upgrade to Defender. I'm an old ARPANET implementer and perfectly satisfied with the current release.
Scuba_Dave
09-22-2009, 06:28 PM
I was able to uninstall Norton without a problem
No key was needed
djmb74
09-22-2009, 07:42 PM
run revo uninstaller as Norton still leaves a few files on there.
It leaves registry files and a few other files that sometimes interfere with other AV programs.
Uncle Fester
09-22-2009, 08:04 PM
Well I'll admit I don't know much yet about nanners and I am a newbie to this hobby, but this is one subject I am very well versed in (Actually kinda shocked to even see a thread about this here, but anyway)
I'll have to second djmb74's post
Kaspersky hands down!!!!
Patty in Wisc
09-22-2009, 10:33 PM
It leaves registry files and a few other files that sometimes interfere with other AV programs.
That's it - now I remember. I removed Norton & downloaded Bullguard (free for 90 days) & it wouldn't let Bullguard in. They gave me Norton 1-800 # or emaill addy to have Norton help me get NAV completely out.
Martin, I have free Malwarebytes now. Should I remove it to download the AV you posted? My puter is real slow & low on memory. Will that ccleaner help? Thanks
djmb74
09-22-2009, 10:42 PM
Yes it sure will, run all those programs after you install and run kaspersky and it will make a noticeable difference in your computer. If you need some help with it PM me and I will can walk you through "flushing" your computer system.
That's it - now I remember. I removed Norton & downloaded Bullguard (free for 90 days) & it wouldn't let Bullguard in. They gave me Norton 1-800 # or emaill addy to have Norton help me get NAV completely out.
Martin, I have free Malwarebytes now. Should I remove it to download the AV you posted? My puter is real slow & low on memory. Will that ccleaner help? Thanks
Patty in Wisc
09-22-2009, 11:04 PM
Oh WOW, thanks!!
planetrj
09-23-2009, 02:33 AM
Whatever program you choose, I'd trust whatever is highly rated at cnet.com for their programs. Personally, I use the freeware, and have had no issues for more than 5 years.
I use:
-Avast Virus Protection
-AdAware (pop-up and ad ware protection)
-Advanced System Care (System Tune up, BS sweeper and file sorter/compacter)
-C.Cleaner (wipes unnecessary files from the computer)
All of these are free, which to me is the best deal around!
Oh WOW, thanks!!
stumpy4700
09-23-2009, 07:02 AM
This is good info as we are trying to learn more about Nanaers, because its the computers that allow us to do so. We need to protect the tools that help us learn.
Scuba_Dave
09-23-2009, 07:38 AM
run revo uninstaller as Norton still leaves a few files on there.
It leaves registry files and a few other files that sometimes interfere with other AV programs.
Yeah - I don't recommend this unless you are computer savvy
---I use Regedit to get rid of that stuff
djmb74
09-23-2009, 07:59 AM
revo uninstaller is much more user friendly for non computer savy then regedit.
regedit is just a registry editor and a whole lot easier to make a mistake with you're registry. Revo uninstaller simply uninstalls a specific program and removes all files associated with it in a very safe and easy manor. Revo also has other features that are very easy to use... those 2 programs aren't even in the same league... regedit is simply a utility program offered by Microsoft and requires more computer knowledge to keep from deleting something you may need.
Yeah - I don't recommend this unless you are computer savvy
---I use Regedit to get rid of that stuff
djmb74
09-23-2009, 08:30 AM
AdAware is way outdated and the software technology and bad guys making stuff have moved way beyond that program. Lavasoft has not been able to keep up with the bigger internet security companies and compete in that market they stopped supporting Se its no longer free. Not good software!!
If you follow your advice and go to Cnet you will see that you should not be using AdAware since 2007!
Ad-Aware 2007 Internet security and firewall reviews - CNET Reviews (http://reviews.cnet.com/internet-security-and-firewall/ad-aware-2007/4505-3667_7-32786412.html?tag=mncol;lst)
Using internet security and virus protection that is free may seem great but its not such a great idea. The other programs yes... Look at it like this you have all these bad guys getting paid a lot of money to get into your computer or trying to steal your identity! They are much smarter than the people working on "free" programs and much more motivated than the people working on "free" programs!
If you had a choice between a mall security guard getting paid minimum wage that failed to get onto the police force to protect your life or the cop who has been trained for 20 years and getting paid much more to do his job to protect your life what would you choose?
I am one that does not take computer security lightly, I had a friend that got their identity stolen from some hacker that put a keystroke logger on to their computer. I didn't know them at the time it happened but was around as they were cleaning up the mess. Horrible thing to go through.
Paying for a good quality Internet Security Suite that protects your computer from the evils out there is way worth the investment. Especially for those that are not computer savy!!!!
Anyone else reading this just letting you know I made those recommendations out of many many years of experience, not just because its something use or like! I've built many computer systems for a lot of people over the years. I have even gotten into overclocking and water cooling and various mods on computers. My next project that has been put on the back burner until maybe next summer is to build a glass enclosure in my office and put all the guts from all of the household computers into it with an AC unit on top as an interesting conversation piece. Hoping I make the front page of Digg.com when I finish that... haha
Whatever program you choose, I'd trust whatever is highly rated at cnet.com for their programs. Personally, I use the freeware, and have had no issues for more than 5 years.
I use:
-Avast Virus Protection
-AdAware (pop-up and ad ware protection)
-Advanced System Care (System Tune up, BS sweeper and file sorter/compacter)
-C.Cleaner (wipes unnecessary files from the computer)
All of these are free, which to me is the best deal around!
momoese
09-23-2009, 08:34 AM
Yeah - I don't recommend this unless you are computer savvy
---I use Regedit to get rid of that stuff
I use Max registry cleaner. It also has a registry defrag.
momoese
09-23-2009, 08:36 AM
Oh and for anti malware stuff I use Malwarebytes.
djmb74
09-23-2009, 08:45 AM
With kaspersky on your computer you don't need any ad aware or malware software!
Its internet suite is much more efficient at keeping it off your computer and getting them off of your computer. All those other free programs do is remove them after your computer has been infected. Better solution it to of not gotten them on their in the first place. I have not had any ad aware or malware on any of my computers in the last 5 years since I started using Kaspersky!
Patty in Wisc
09-23-2009, 12:47 PM
I uninstalled a few programs now & will download Kaspersky now. I thought it was free. What does Glary Utilities do? What's the diff between that & ccleaner?
djmb74
09-23-2009, 12:52 PM
glary utilities has a lot more functions and does a lot more to clean your system than Ccleaner but Ccleaner gets a few internet leftovers that glary misses. I run both programs once a week on all my machines.
I uninstalled a few programs now & will download Kaspersky now. I thought it was free. What does Glary Utilities do? What's the diff between that & ccleaner?
on glary utilities use the 1-click maintenance and check all the boxes before running it
Also Glary utilities expands and simplifies all of the Microsoft system tools as well including a program someone mentioned before called for editing your registry.
momoese
09-23-2009, 01:00 PM
I have not had any ad aware or malware on any of my computers in the last 5 years since I started using Kaspersky!
I find this quote interesting. I'm wondering how you know you have no spy or malware if your only using one program. I read an article where this guy tested all the major free and pay malware programs and found that all of them found and missed different things. All in all he found Malwarebytes to be the most efective which is why I bought the full version.
I should also add that since using ESET I have never found any add or malware on my pc.
djmb74
09-23-2009, 01:23 PM
well back before I used Kaspersky I got really into tweaking windows and messing around with registry's as well as modding my computer to run really really fast. After playing around with all that and learning the ins and outs of the windows program and computer architecture I can pretty much look in a few places on my computer and know of any changes and look around for things that are running that I did not install. I have other programs running that tell me how hot all my chips are how fast all my cooling fans are running as well as how much power my CPU is pulling from my power supply at any given time. I was also into Gaming for a bit as well.
Not to mention with all my kids I have my network set up so I know everything that is going on when I am not around!
basically I am pretty dialed into what my computers performance is and if it blinks too slow I try to find out why... lol
I have a Unix dual boot set up and play with that a lot as well.
The review you read is based on computers already having the ad aware and malware. The programs function is to fix a problem that is already there not stop it from happening in the first place. A good internet security suite such as Kaspersky keeps you from getting it on your machine in the first place! But there are those people that have some compulsion to keep clicking things they shouldn't even when a program keeps telling them not to or asked you if your sure you really want to do that, like my father in law.... hahaha
I find this quote interesting. I'm wondering how you know you have no spy or malware if your only using one program. I read an article where this guy tested all the major free and pay malware programs and found that all of them found and missed different things. All in all he found Malwarebytes to be the most efective which is why I bought the full version.
I should also add that since using ESET I have never found any add or malware on my pc.
djmb74
09-23-2009, 01:33 PM
One way that a lot of people get their machine hijacked is from visiting a site that someone built that doesn't really know what that they are doing. Hackers search the internet for sites that they can get into easily and drop a little trojan in the site programing. My father in law used to get trojans all the time on his computer from the crappy hunting sites he always visits. He uses citrix to log into his work and the hacker ended up being able to access his companies network once he logged into it... was a big mess!
Phishing is a HUGE business for all kinds of purposes from just trying to find out what you do all day in your internet travels to getting all your banking info or trying to get you to go into business with some some official from Nigeria...
A good internet security suite will stop all this from happening!
Patty in Wisc
09-23-2009, 02:27 PM
Uh oh, Kaspersky takes up over 250mb of space & I don't have enough. The download got aborted. Would removing more programs give me more space?
Jack Daw
09-23-2009, 02:31 PM
Uh oh, Kaspersky takes up over 250mb of space & I don't have enough. The download got aborted. Would removing more programs give me more space?
Depending on what programs you would remove. FOr instance Visual Studio 2008 would do the trick (5 to 10GB). What are your hard drive details? Partitioning, space, partition size... It can't be problem nowadays to fit 250MB somewhere. :D
djmb74
09-23-2009, 02:32 PM
No patty you need to delete some things from your hard drive. You should have at least 10% free hard drive space for programs to work correctly. How big is your hard drive?
Uh oh, Kaspersky takes up over 250mb of space & I don't have enough. The download got aborted. Would removing more programs give me more space?
Scuba_Dave
09-23-2009, 07:00 PM
Wow, the specs say that you should have 300m free to install
djmb74
09-23-2009, 07:19 PM
ya its 2009 my phone stores 32 gigabytes... lol
Between my computers I have 10 terabytes of space.
Resource hog is not meaning how much space it takes on a hard drive, its how much memory it uses while running. Ram memory, hard drive space its takes up is irrelevant. Unless you have no hard drive space like patty said, then that,s a problem that no program is going to fix. In order for your operating system and all your programs to work properly you must always have at least 10% of your hard drive empty. If you don't you need to delete a ton of video's, pics, or mp3's or get a bigger hard drive.
Wow, the specs say that you should have 300m free to install
Patty in Wisc
09-23-2009, 08:41 PM
Been busy all day. I removed more programs... found my packing slip from when I bought puter in 02.
20GB 5400RPM Ultra ATA hard drive
128 MB DDR SDRAM at 266MHz
whatever that all means.
I was going to put another memory card but Best Buy said they were out...they really didn't want me to buy one to put in myself...they wanted to do it so they could take my $$$
I also downloaded BIGDAWG's AVG but at the end it said "installation failed". I think my puter went poo poo.
djmb74
09-23-2009, 08:53 PM
you really need more ram bad!
If you are running XP you really should have at the very least 1 gigabyte of ram. You put more RAM in there and you will be surprised how much better and faster your computer is going to work!
With such a small hard drive you really need to make sure and delete everything you don't need.
Find out what ram your machine can use with this link and buy from this site!
DDR Memory, SDRAM Memory, Memory, Computer Memory at Newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductConfigurator.aspx?Category=17&name=Memory-Configurator)
Kaspersky Internet Security 2010 3 User - KIS903121 - Buy.com (http://www.buy.com/prod/kaspersky-internet-security-2010-3-user/q/loc/105/212001872.html?adid=17654)
Huge discount on Buy.com for Kaspersky
Richard
09-24-2009, 02:19 PM
I'm curious: what kinds of activities do you have on the internet that require such security?
djmb74
09-24-2009, 02:42 PM
#1 I do most of my banking personal and business on my computer.(that should be enough for anyone to secure their computer)
#2 I have a small recording studio at my house and I am constantly using torrents to trade production work with other producers. (been djing and making music since 1987 and have a huge collection of vinyl that has been converted to digital if a virus or something caused me to lose this I would be devastated)
#3 I have teenagers that use Myspace and myspace is full of issues that put your computer system at risk.
#4 the internet is not Mayberry and your computer should be treated just like you would treat your home as it is an extension of your home. Do you leave your house with your front door open or want people going into your house that you don't know without your permission?
There are many other reasons but those should be enough.
Why in the world would someone not secure their computer?
That was a silly question Richard!
I'm curious: what kinds of activities do you have on the internet that require such security?
Richard
09-24-2009, 03:36 PM
Actually it was an honest question about why you need more security than I do. With items #2 and #3, I would definitely go to the measures you use.
My life on the internet is more mundane. I have a Cisco router that gets monthly updates. Last time I looked at the log it is bouncing about 300 silly attacks per day. My computer has Windows XP Service Pack 3 with Windows Defender which I update about every two weeks. The log shows about 3 items rejected per day. But then again, since I helped invent the internet I am a very cautious user of the beast.
Jack Daw
09-24-2009, 03:51 PM
What I've learnt over the years is that you can never be safe enough with Windows. It just isn't possible. You can just be safer than usual user, but never safe enough.
Also I noticed that the amount of viruses, spyware, malware... has significantly dropped to small numbers since I started using Win7. XP was overrun within days. Win7 is now running 2 weeks with no viruses (torrents, warez, bananas.org ;) ) No problemo.
Richard
09-24-2009, 04:07 PM
What I've learnt over the years is that you can never be safe enough with Windows.
That's true for any operating system. With Windows, its even true when the computer is unpluged from both the internet and the power supply.
djmb74
09-24-2009, 04:11 PM
Part of that is because the hacker/information gathering and spam industry has shifted somewhat, Ad Aware and Malware is not where most of the money and interest is being thrown at as it was a few years ago. Torrent, and rapid share where people pirate software, most of the software out there has extra files added to it, as well as focus is more on social networking sites by criminals to get into your computer system. Phishing emails are still huge as well!
What I've learnt over the years is that you can never be safe enough with Windows. It just isn't possible. You can just be safer than usual user, but never safe enough.
Also I noticed that the amount of viruses, spyware, malware... has significantly dropped to small numbers since I started using Win7. XP was overrun within days. Win7 is now running 2 weeks with no viruses (torrents, warez, bananas.org ;) ) No problemo.
So you and Al Gore are really tight huh?
But then again, since I helped invent the internet I am a very cautious user of the beast.
Richard
09-24-2009, 04:30 PM
So you and Al Gore are really tight huh?
Along with Lily Tomlin. In the 90's I worked at the San Diego Supercomputer Center, prior to that at the Naval Ocean Systems Center in Pt Loma, and prior to that in a black hole on (D)ARPANET.
http://lancemannion.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/lily_tomlin_01.jpg
Jack Daw
09-24-2009, 04:32 PM
That's true for any operating system. With Windows, its even true when the computer is unpluged from both the internet and the power supply.
Surely, but windows is the only one offering you the full variety of viruses that UNIX based system in large scale lack. ;)
For reasons I'm not going into...
Trust me. Writting a virus for Win in API takes you 5 minutes. The same task in Linux is close to impossible.
djmb74
09-24-2009, 04:48 PM
Actually the guys in the 60's that invented TCP are the true inventors of the internet.. then the government stole it in the 80's. LOL
Along with Lily Tomlin. In the 90's I worked at the San Diego Supercomputer Center, prior to that at the Naval Ocean Systems Center in Pt Loma, and prior to that in a black hole on (D)ARPANET.
http://lancemannion.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/lily_tomlin_01.jpg
Richard
09-24-2009, 05:35 PM
Writting a virus for Win in API takes you 5 minutes.
Yep.
The same task in Linux is close to impossible.
About a day.
Actually the guys in the 60's that invented TCP are the true inventors of the internet.. then the government stole it in the 80's. LOL
Yeah. ARPANET in '68. This might help: ARPANET - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET)
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