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conejov
08-19-2009, 09:33 AM
Hey Everyone!
I just moved my IC from where it was originally planted to its new location but its started to look sad, I planted in its new home 2weeks ago, I made sure to carefully move it with all its roots. But all the leafs have started to turn yellow and wilt. I'm concerned about it I don't want to lose it. Am Over watering it? Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks
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rscotth
08-19-2009, 12:20 PM
Mag deficiency will cause slow growth and yellowing. The yellow parts will start to turn brown as well as sunburn.
Hopefully "Richard" will see this and respond. This guy understands fertilizers at a scientific level. He also sells some of the best fertilizer around.
damaclese
08-19-2009, 12:49 PM
first of you moved it in the middle of August never a good time to plant any thing spring only did you move it to a sunnier location? it looks sun burnt and under watered what have the temps been like? did you prepare the soil adding organics and trace minerals? my plants get the same way in the high summer but i am at 2500ft and sun is intense i see you are in TX is that correct?
ewitte
08-19-2009, 01:52 PM
Its been slightly cooler about 95F and less sun. We had like 3-4 weeks of 100+ almost every day.
bencelest
08-19-2009, 02:03 PM
Baby it like a baby. First get anything to cover it like a too large black pot so it will not touch the leaves. The last thing you want is the sun to shine on it. Remove the cover once the sun goes down. Do this for 5 days or so until you see that the leaves stay turgid. That means the roots are starting to grow. Then gradually, increase the exposure to sun 2 hrs more at a time. Don't over water. As long as the soil is moist that's all you want.
When it can fully stand the full sun, wait again until you see some spears started to appear that's when you start to fertilize. Again 1/4 dose the first time and see how the plant takes it then increase the dosage. I repeat do not add any fertilizer to the soil when you plant your banana except as many compost as you can and bark. I'd say in 2 months you will have a nice new plant and nice growth.
Also remove the brown leaf. You are not too late to do the above.
Bananaman88
08-19-2009, 02:29 PM
This is how you treat the plants I send you??? Just kidding! Do like mentioned above and erect some type of temp. shade over it. It should recover. I most likely didn't enjoy being moved in the middle of summer.
LilRaverBoi
08-19-2009, 03:08 PM
Yeah, I agree with those who have said it's a bad time to move plants. I would only be moving things in spring or early summer. After that, the hot sun is very had on them as far as transplant shock.
ewitte
08-19-2009, 03:13 PM
Had an IC for several months that was fairly small. Moved it into the 65gal smart pot. Then moved it a second time the last week of July after getting the larger one from Scot. When I came back on 8/15 it had more than doubled in size in two weeks after being moved around twice! Pics in the gallery. I had 5am water going on it everyday by timer and I see it rained as well.
conejov
08-19-2009, 03:19 PM
first of you moved it in the middle of August never a good time to plant any thing spring only did you move it to a sunnier location? it looks sun burnt and under watered what have the temps been like? did you prepare the soil adding organics and trace minerals? my plants get the same way in the high summer but i am at 2500ft and sun is intense i see you are in TX is that correct?
I planted it 8ft to the left of where it was, it still gets the same amount of sun it did before. I amended the soil with some compost and Composted cow manure before I planted it and watered it.
ewitte
08-19-2009, 03:27 PM
To tell you the truth I have not had nearly as much luck with my in ground bananas as the container ones. There isn't much ground before hard clay. I had a water pup in the ground for about 10 months and it never grew maybe 20% taller. Recently I pulled that out and put a sword that was 5 times the size. Too early to tell what that one is doing.
conejov
08-19-2009, 04:07 PM
The funny thing is that the DC that was there before and is now were the IC was is doing just fine and actually has started putting out new leaves its almost like nothing ever happened to it.
conejov
08-19-2009, 04:14 PM
To tell you the truth I have not had nearly as much luck with my in ground bananas as the container ones. There isn't much ground before hard clay. I had a water pup in the ground for about 10 months and it never grew maybe 20% taller. Recently I pulled that out and put a sword that was 5 times the size. Too early to tell what that one is doing.
I've actually been lucky putting them in ground.The IC was doing great before I moved it. (I know better than to move it in August now!) Most of the nanners I've put in the ground have done well like my DC for example was doing pityful in its pot but once I planted it it just took off!
Bananaman88
08-20-2009, 06:39 AM
Don't worry too much over it, Alex. All bananas respond differently to differing conditions. I can always get you another one if this one croaks.
conejov
08-20-2009, 07:48 AM
Thanks Brent! Im hoping this little guy will make it. Ill try to find something to protect it from the sun while it re-establishes its root system.
coast crab
08-20-2009, 08:57 AM
I have a similar problem.
I moved my yunnanensis out of full sun to the understory of my oaks last week to (hopefully) make way for a saba. After joining this forum and learning exactly what I had I realized that full sun for this one was a mistake. The sunburns spots kinda gave it away too.
Anyway, I removed some of the bottom leaves from the pstems when I moved it. The tallest is about six ft. This morning I noticed that the bottom leaves on the largest pstems are yellowing, so it looks like more will have to be removed. I hope this levels off soon, at least we're getting plenty of rain. I'm trying not to get freaked out!
Oddly, my experience with ice cream was just the opposite. I started with a 4 ft plant in a 3 gallon pot. It sat like a lump for the first year and I barely got a new leaf out of it. I had actually dug it up to throw it away when I decided to give it another chance is a sunnier part of my garden. Well, that was all it took. It EXPLODED, and is now the prettiest banana in my collection. Check it out in my gallery.
My bet is that your ice cream and my yunnanensis will be fine once they adjust. But it is hard to not get stressed out when they do!
Russell
conejov
08-21-2009, 10:44 AM
I think once it roots its self again it will start growing for now Im going to keep a close eye on it and try to shade it from the hot sun. Maybe Ill make a "tent" for it out of landscape fabric.
damaclese
08-21-2009, 12:35 PM
I have a similar problem.
I moved my yunnanensis out of full sun to the understory of my oaks last week to (hopefully) make way for a saba. After joining this forum and learning exactly what I had I realized that full sun for this one was a mistake. The sunburns spots kinda gave it away too.
Anyway, I removed some of the bottom leaves from the pstems when I moved it. The tallest is about six ft. This morning I noticed that the bottom leaves on the largest pstems are yellowing, so it looks like more will have to be removed. I hope this levels off soon, at least we're getting plenty of rain. I'm trying not to get freaked out!
Oddly, my experience with ice cream was just the opposite. I started with a 4 ft plant in a 3 gallon pot. It sat like a lump for the first year and I barely got a new leaf out of it. I had actually dug it up to throw it away when I decided to give it another chance is a sunnier part of my garden. Well, that was all it took. It EXPLODED, and is now the prettiest banana in my collection. Check it out in my gallery.
My bet is that your ice cream and my yunnanensis will be fine once they adjust. But it is hard to not get stressed out when they do!
Russell
defiantly Blue Jave Need quite a bit of sun they will just flounder in shade
I have one that sits right up against the house on the east side it barely puts out a leaf every 2 weeks then i have one thats planted 15 ft out away and its gets sun until 3 ish and its double the size
NANAMAN
08-21-2009, 01:22 PM
Thanks Brent! Im hoping this little guy will make it. Ill try to find something to protect it from the sun while it re-establishes its root system.
I hear people talk about shading their bananas after transplanting, new plants(TCs), potted up new pups,etc... I've never done that! I always plant bananas, (dug up pups, new plants, even greenhouse grown TCs), in full, direct sun, (even in the hottest summer months). The leaves may die and look bad for a while, but the new growth will be acclimated to the sun. Even a new pup with no roots will usually put out new growth in 3/4 wks. planted in a pot or the ground in full sun. I know bananas like heat and seem to get established and grow faster (esp. new pups), and I have never killed a pup or plant using this method. Slowly acclimating the new plants to sun, would set them behind on growth a couple months, and possibly set them up for rot , if the plants get too much water or the climate cools for a spell. The only time it would make sense to me, ( to shade and slowly acclimate bananas ), is if your climate is extremely hot,(mid 90s and above), with low humidity. I know that I have almost ideal temps. and humidity where I live, and maybe the method I use won't work other places in the country, but I can assure you it works great here! I've read many threads about this subject and almost exclusively, people recommend to shade and slowly acclimate new banana plantings, even in S.Fl. , where I know it is unnecessary!
bencelest
08-21-2009, 03:52 PM
I hear people talk about shading their bananas after transplanting, new plants(TCs), potted up new pups,etc... I've never done that! I always plant bananas, (dug up pups, new plants, even greenhouse grown TCs), in full, direct sun, (even in the hottest summer months). The leaves may die and look bad for a while, but the new growth will be acclimated to the sun. Even a new pup with no roots will usually put out new growth in 3/4 wks. planted in a pot or the ground in full sun. I know bananas like heat and seem to get established and grow faster (esp. new pups), and I have never killed a pup or plant using this method. Slowly acclimating the new plants to sun, would set them behind on growth a couple months, and possibly set them up for rot , if the plants get too much water or the climate cools for a spell. The only time it would make sense to me, ( to shade and slowly acclimate bananas ), is if your climate is extremely hot,(mid 90s and above), with low humidity. I know that I have almost ideal temps. and humidity where I live, and maybe the method I use won't work other places in the country, but I can assure you it works great here! I've read many threads about this subject and almost exclusively, people recommend to shade and slowly acclimate new banana plantings, even in S.Fl. , where I know it is unnecessary!
Everyone has its own favorite way of doing things. I won't say others are wrong and I won't say my method is the best. The only way you can find out is do it yourself and work what is best for you.
In my opinion, since the new plant is already in state of shock why should I compound it. I want it to lessen its helplessness. I don't want the leaves to wilt (what good is it if it got wilted and turned brown. That is less photosynthesis to the plant thereby lessen its growth) . So I put shade on my new replanted plant. Once it recovers from shock like a kid who just recovers from sickness then I would expose it to the sun gradually until it is fully recovered. Thus, you did not loss any leaf and thus more photosynthesis to the plant, ergo more growth in due litlest time.
That's my way of thinking.
There are many ways to do a job but can come in the same conclusion. That's my 2 cents worth.
I've been doing this ever since I learned how to take care of my plants and that's a long long time ago.
I agree with Benny. I've been growing ICs for years. Remember, manure acts like fertilizer and, combined with hot sun, could be damaging to a new transplant. I never add manure in such a situation except gradually, later.
BTW, I've been through what your going through now and have always pulled through.
Anyway, that's my advice due to my own personal experiences here in central Oklahoma.
bencelest
08-21-2009, 04:38 PM
I might add that the temperature here in my area is always cool from high 50's to 80's in the summer and lots of humidity but I still cover my plants when I transplanted them to be sure. Because I see leaves wilting when they exposed to direct sunlight and I feel sorry for the plant. But when I just put anything on top of the plant to protect them from direct sunlight be it a plywoodor plastic, the leaves stay rigid and fresh.
Try it.
Dalmatiansoap
08-21-2009, 06:18 PM
[QUOTE=Eric;92166] Remember, manure acts like fertilizer and, combined with hot sun, could be damaging to a new transplant. I never add manure in such a situation except gradually, later.
QUOTE]
Thrue I burned all lavender corp with manure 4 years ago. Never again :)
:woohoonaner:
conejov
08-23-2009, 07:31 PM
Sofar I havent Had any issues yet with the compost and manure. Infact most of the nanners seem to be very happy with it.
By the way it looks like my IC is starting to push out its new leaf! YAY!!!!!!!! Im glad its coming back!
Greenie
08-23-2009, 07:56 PM
I planted it 8ft to the left of where it was, it still gets the same amount of sun it did before. I amended the soil with some compost and Composted cow manure before I planted it and watered it.
By the way it looks like my IC is starting to push out its new leaf! YAY!!!!!!!! Im glad its coming back!
.......so,did you cover it in shade and prevent it from receiving one of the most important things a nana needs?
conejov
08-23-2009, 09:02 PM
I was going to cover it yesterday when I noticed a leaf was starting to come out. so I decided not to Cover it.
ewitte
08-24-2009, 08:19 PM
I've actually been lucky putting them in ground.The IC was doing great before I moved it. (I know better than to move it in August now!) Most of the nanners I've put in the ground have done well like my DC for example was doing pityful in its pot but once I planted it it just took off!
LMAO told you I had bad luck in the ground. I need to do some reading. Started getting some rain. I saw it laying over and all brown. When I tried to bring it up it broke apart all mush. Looks like it rotted. The ones in the containers (although very big containers) have been growing like weeds.
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