View Full Version : Sun expsoure differences in in 'Siam Ruby'
Randy4ut
07-26-2009, 11:58 AM
I took some pictures today and wanted others experiences with their 'Siam Rubies' when it comes to sun exposure. Since I was able to purchase them at my HD this year for $12.97 apiece, I bought several. Two of mine are in pots on either side of the steps to my pool that get pretty much full sun. I also have one in a pot that is in my screened in porch that gets a couple hours of some sun and that is it. Here are the pics of the two and am amazed how much different they look. (Even the pseudostems are very different in color!!!)
Here they are side by side:
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/2009%20General%20Pictures/046.jpg
Close up of the one that gets minimal sun:
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/2009%20General%20Pictures/049.jpg
Here is a shot of the leaves that get full sun...
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/2009%20General%20Pictures/048.jpg
Would love to hear if anyone else has noticed this and how theirs look!!!
This is consistant with mine. Right now my remaining(gave one away) SR looks like the photo on the left. All winter (indoors under artificial and ambient light) they looked like the mid level leaf facing the camera on the right possibly a little green/greyer.
stumpy4700
07-26-2009, 01:10 PM
Have you also noticed that there is more green splotches in the winter or in the shade? Mine outside are almost solid red.
Randy4ut
07-26-2009, 01:55 PM
Have you also noticed that there is more green splotches in the winter or in the shade? Mine outside are almost solid red.
Not sure what exactly you are asking, but just looking at the pics shows more green in the one that I grow in the shade. Haven't had them overwinter, so cannot comment about that...
john_ny
07-26-2009, 03:04 PM
Wow, that's quite a difference, but I think they're both kinda neat. I'd like to have both.
I've noticed a curious trend, too. The ones getting afternoon sun are more purely reddish. One, however, seems more purplish:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=19425&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=19424&size=1
But the two getting morning sun are curiously variegated, one striped & the other splotched:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=19427&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=19426&size=1
Someone said that the Ruby Siams are somewhat mutable so that may be what accounts, somehow, for the striping effect. Would appreciate any insights into that :).
Patty in Wisc
08-05-2009, 06:15 PM
I love all of the above. Mine has 2 new leaves unfurled since I got it (thanks Bob!!) & they have little speckles of green. I'm sure when it comes inside for winter it will not have so much red if any. I just love my siam ruby!
damaclese
08-05-2009, 06:31 PM
Randy min is in about 8hr of sun a day and its dark red just like yours
min get a little sun bleached do to the high intensity of living in the mountains
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20400&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20400&ppuser=2612)
Randy nice plants i have an answer for your observation about there not being as much green theirs many different lines of SR now do to there high production so different line have different characteristics
Randy4ut
08-05-2009, 06:38 PM
Paulo,
I agree with you about the different "lines", but the ones pictured above that are in full sun, started off when I purchased them were similiar to the one I have pictured that gets partial sun... I still believe the amount of sun they get plays a huge role in the amount of red in them.... Just my opinion, for what it is worth... (which usually is not much)
damaclese
08-06-2009, 10:52 AM
Paulo,
I agree with you about the different "lines", but the ones pictured above that are in full sun, started off when I purchased them were similiar to the one I have pictured that gets partial sun... I still believe the amount of sun they get plays a huge role in the amount of red in them.... Just my opinion, for what it is worth... (which usually is not much)
yes i agree but i do know if its in the sun but the temps are low it will not get that red i think its the combination of the two plus adequate firt i know my
Maurellii loose there red if they don't get enough firt no mater how much sun they get
buzzwinder
08-06-2009, 11:29 AM
Randy, the plant that gets full sun is beautiful, I like the pattern on the shaded one, that would be fantastic if it would hold that pattern but brighten up with full sun exposure (deeper red, brighter green), My Siam Ruby that I got from Sandy was doing great in the basement until about March, Then it just went squish, rotted to the core. New house and different growing conditions, I'll do better this winter. But as always, your plants look fantastic!!
TommyMacLuckie
08-06-2009, 12:06 PM
I've got some in 3 places, all getting different amounts of sunlight. They all look the same. A relatively dense clump is below some large dwarf cavs and some tall ori's in a pecan stump so they're shaded for the entire day, maybe just a little bit of direct sun for a minute or two during the day when it sneaks through the other plants but basically entirely shaded. They are dark red but quite small (way smaller then when I got 'em last year).
I have one that gets about 6 hours of sun and another one that gets maybe a little less, somewhat filtered in the middle of the day. They all look the same and are all the same height, about maybe 2 feet, a little bit higher. They froze back this past winter a bit and have just been incredibly slow in growing.
I nuke 'em with Miracle Gro every 2 or 3 weeks plus gave 'em some 19-5-9 or something like that along with 13-13-13 at one point. Nothing seems to make a difference. They are, however, alive.
adrift
08-06-2009, 06:53 PM
i know my
Maurellii loose there red if they don't get enough firt no mater how much sun they get
Hmmmm. That must be what is happening to mine. My Maurelli is in full Florida sun, from shortly after sunrise until shortly before sunset, yet it isn't as red as it used to be. It is lovely, with bright green leaves, red petioles, and some red lipstick on the edges, but certainly not as red as it was 3 months ago.
Do you know which component they may be lacking? Do you think it is Nitrogen, Potassium, of one of the minors?
damaclese
08-07-2009, 05:59 PM
Hmmmm. That must be what is happening to mine. My Maurelli is in full Florida sun, from shortly after sunrise until shortly before sunset, yet it isn't as red as it used to be. It is lovely, with bright green leaves, red petioles, and some red lipstick on the edges, but certainly not as red as it was 3 months ago.
Do you know which component they may be lacking? Do you think it is Nitrogen, Potassium, of one of the minors?
right befor Scot left this was a hot topic betwean him and my self i dont know what makes them red i know i treated my murellii with some iorn and its red cam back slitly for 2 leafs then whent away again but befor you go out and put iorn on your Murellii i had some yelowing too so i'd hold off i think it mite be potaseam im using k-mag as of last week thats just about the most pirfict food for a Banana and i can tell you it pushed a leaf out in leas then 5 days which for a ventracosum i think is like runing a race they dont grow that fast in the hot summers mainly they do there big groth in the spring all get back to you if i see any red i would think nitigen would incourig Greening not red it could be a trace minral like iorn coper mag zinc which helps induce red flouers in certin plants i would go with a test on that one we sould defantly figure this out it seems to be more of a problim out here in the south west so it could be PH related im going to ask Gabe if any one would know he would
sunfish
08-09-2009, 03:45 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20832&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20832&ppuser=2868)
Three Siam Ruby's from agri-Starts order
ArchAngeL01
08-09-2009, 10:32 PM
i have 2 different siams one with green patches and one with the tiny blotches,they both are bright red and are both in the same sun-exsposure.
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20638&ppuser=4948><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20639 border=0></a>
Dalmatiansoap
08-10-2009, 07:37 AM
This is mine SR and it grows in almost full shade
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20896&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20896&ppuser=4565)
:woohoonaner:
damaclese
08-10-2009, 08:43 AM
iv got that Ensete color related question out to Gabe am waiting for an answer I'm just convinced its a Ph or nutrient related problem
i think this holds true for thouse of you that have your SR in sun but they dont look red i know i feed my SR at 1.5 times the rate of my other Bananas
momoese
08-10-2009, 10:44 AM
Randy, have you tried swapping locations to see if it affects the color? That would be the acid test.
Randy4ut
08-10-2009, 11:27 AM
Randy, have you tried swapping locations to see if it affects the color? That would be the acid test.
I have not mainly because the two out in full sun are in large pots that match and like the symmetry of them on either side of the steps. Guess I could put the one on the porch out in full sun and see what happens, but I like the variegation of the green and red instead of the almost all red. Decisions to be made in the name of science!!! LOL I may go ahead and stick it out in full sun to see what happens...
LilRaverBoi
08-11-2009, 04:55 PM
Yeah, I've definitely noticed the effect of sunlight in bringing out the color in my SR. It was purchased from a greenhouse that had it in a dark building and was very pale initially:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17429&size=1
Notice the green pseudostem and pale leaves with slight reddish wash
Now the same plant a month later after being moved outside:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18436&size=1
Pseudostem is now bright red and the leaves are a dark red/burgundy. Ignore the brown dead leaf thing on the stem...shoulda cut that off before taking the picture to really show off the p-stem.
I had it inside last week cause I was away in Iowa and didn't want it to dry out. The leaf it put out while I was gone was almost entirely green....but I moved it outside again today and that leaf is already a LOT redder after being in direct sun today!!
And yeah...if anyone knows a trick to get E. Maurelii's to regain their color, please let me know...mine is not nearly as nicely colored as when I first got it :(
annageckos
08-13-2009, 09:27 PM
I don't know about banana plants, but in aquatic plants Iron is used for red plants.
Dalmatiansoap
03-26-2010, 02:45 PM
I have Siam Ruby that I didnt belive that it will make it. Some time in early Autum last year it just stopped and felt in dormacy earlyer than any other plant. So I took it inside and keeped away from light the whole winter. Leaves become soft and the whole plant did get a kind of droopy look. Even had to tie it up to stand upright:ha:
And yesterday VOILA!
NEWGROWTH!
:nanadrink:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=30487&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=30487&ppuser=4565)
You can see a litlle black dot which stands for 24h growth and I have drawn the new one for 48h mark.
You can see that its completly green now.
Same plant, last August
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20896&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20896&ppuser=4565)
:woohoonaner:
sunfish
03-26-2010, 03:14 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=30497&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=30497&ppuser=2868)
cherokee_greg
03-26-2010, 03:21 PM
This is my siam ruby when I first took it in the house.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=27487&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=27487&ppuser=5959)
This is how it looked after a month
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=29023&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=29023&ppuser=5959)
Dalmatiansoap
04-03-2010, 02:58 AM
March 26:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=30487&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=30487&ppuser=4565)
April 2:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=30601&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=30601&ppuser=4565)
I still have to keep it away from direct sun.
:woohoonaner:
Dalmatiansoap
05-01-2010, 01:55 PM
May 1.:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=31226&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=31226&ppuser=4565)
still in 70% shade
LilRaverBoi
05-03-2010, 03:58 PM
I just moved my SR out today for the first time this spring. it looks very similar to the pictures being posted in this thread...kinda lanky with narrow leaves and not very much red left. I'm sure it'll perk up once it gets some good sun/heat, though!
natej740
05-03-2010, 09:08 PM
I just moved my SR out today for the first time this spring. it looks very similar to the pictures being posted in this thread...kinda lanky with narrow leaves and not very much red left. I'm sure it'll perk up once it gets some good sun/heat, though!
Limit how much sun you give it at first. I fried mine the first time it went out...It still kinda looks like **** but the new leaves coming out are already used to the sun so im gonna chop the old sun burnt leaves off as soon as i get a few more leaves.
NANAMAN
05-03-2010, 10:32 PM
If you are willing to bring it in and out-side every day, to give it additional artificial light, it will get really red fast! About 16hrs. a day total.
Dalmatiansoap
05-07-2010, 12:15 PM
May 7:
new leaf emerging, still not much red pigmentation but it can stand few hours of sun now :)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=31382&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=31382&ppuser=4565)
:woohoonaner:
LilRaverBoi
05-07-2010, 02:47 PM
Limit how much sun you give it at first. I fried mine the first time it went out...It still kinda looks like **** but the new leaves coming out are already used to the sun so im gonna chop the old sun burnt leaves off as soon as i get a few more leaves.
LOL...a little too late for that. It's already pretty crispifried. I knew it was going to happen, but I go by the 'tough-love' campaign...don't waste too much time/effort babying it (cause it will likely fry quite a bit anyway)....just let it get baked and when it comes back, it'll be ready to handle much more. I can tolerate it looking crappy for a while.
ron_mcb
05-18-2010, 09:39 PM
I've got some in 3 places, all getting different amounts of sunlight. They all look the same. A relatively dense clump is below some large dwarf cavs and some tall ori's in a pecan stump so they're shaded for the entire day, maybe just a little bit of direct sun for a minute or two during the day when it sneaks through the other plants but basically entirely shaded. They are dark red but quite small (way smaller then when I got 'em last year).
I have one that gets about 6 hours of sun and another one that gets maybe a little less, somewhat filtered in the middle of the day. They all look the same and are all the same height, about maybe 2 feet, a little bit higher. They froze back this past winter a bit and have just been incredibly slow in growing.
I nuke 'em with Miracle Gro every 2 or 3 weeks plus gave 'em some 19-5-9 or something like that along with 13-13-13 at one point. Nothing seems to make a difference. They are, however, alive.
dont tell anyone you left yours in the ground like me..they will think you are crazy..:bananas_b seriously i didnt even bother to research what people were saying about cold hardiness before i even tried it. i just covered it and it pulled thru.. even with snow.. the main stem did not make it but its pupping like crazy. im sure it got really cold on the gulf coast last winter as well..
natej740
05-18-2010, 10:12 PM
LOL...a little too late for that. It's already pretty crispifried. I knew it was going to happen, but I go by the 'tough-love' campaign...don't waste too much time/effort babying it (cause it will likely fry quite a bit anyway)....just let it get baked and when it comes back, it'll be ready to handle much more. I can tolerate it looking crappy for a while.
Mine was doing good and starting to look good enough to chop off the old sunburnt leaves off then it dipped down to 38*F the other night out of nowhere and i got cold damage to all the good looking new red leaves. It will be ok but it sucks cuz it was finally starting to look good again.
cherokee_greg
05-19-2010, 11:52 AM
dont tell anyone you left yours in the ground like me..they will think you are crazy..:bananas_b seriously i didnt even bother to research what people were saying about cold hardiness before i even tried it. i just covered it and it pulled thru.. even with snow.. the main stem did not make it but its pupping like crazy. im sure it got really cold on the gulf coast last winter as well..
wow you left it out in the snow ? And now pups are coming up ? Good deal ! I wounder how mine would do here in zone 9 ? Maybe I will try it this winter.
Dalmatiansoap
05-19-2010, 01:13 PM
May 19.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=31699&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=31699&ppuser=4565)
:woohoonaner:
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