View Full Version : Musa 'Siam Ruby' var 'Ace of Hearts'
Jack Daw
06-19-2009, 01:16 AM
Hello friends, I have been viewing the Classifieds and found this item [Auction] Siam Ruby hybrid - Bananas.org (http://www.bananas.org/classifieds/viewad-343.html) . When I looked at it, I was quite intrigued by its color and appearance and so a question arose in my head. I asked the owner of the plant, but the question still remains unanswered.
Here's the original PM I sent him, if you know it or have any links to where I could foind the answer, please let me know.
Hi,
I just noticed your auction and it kinda came to me. I would have a question on you. Let's suppose that I have normal, ordinary Siam Ruby and it has pups.
Let's say, that it has lot's of pups. Is it possible, that one of the pups will have this "deformation"? Or must it be TC made issue?
And if it can be natural by corm mutation, the chance is 0,01 of all the plants, that get the red coloring?
Thanks for your answer,
Jack
stumpy4700
06-19-2009, 02:00 AM
Chris is a good seller and I'm sure he'll anwser soon. He is the one I bought my Siam Rubies from, you can look at my pics and see the quality.
Jack Daw
06-19-2009, 03:02 AM
Chris is a good seller and I'm sure he'll anwser soon. He is the one I bought my Siam Rubies from, you can look at my pics and see the quality.
No, I mean that he answered my PM, yet he was unsure and didn't want to comment on something he didn't know. Therefore I ask, maybe there's someone who experienced this mutation as random when he had pups from Siam Ruby. That's what I'm interested in knowing, whether it is possible.
Gabe15
06-19-2009, 12:35 PM
All of the different Siam Ruby forms originally come from tissue culture, it is not very stable after being cultured (it is chimeric) and many different color forms result. I personally do not have enough experience with this variety to answer your question.
If anyone is having trouble understanding the issue, I believe what Jack is asking is, can the suckers of a specific off-type sport 'Siam Ruby' color form be the same as the mother plant? Or is it just as unstable as it is in tissue culture, and can different color forms show in the suckers that deviate from the mother plant.
My experience with off-types in general is that tissue culture greatly increases the chance of off-types, and you would be much more likely to see the off-types coming straight out of tissue culture than in-ground plants. But again, I don't have much experience with 'Siam Ruby' so I don't know a lot about how it acts.
Jack Daw
06-19-2009, 12:43 PM
All of the different Siam Ruby forms originally come from tissue culture, it is not very stable after being cultured and (it is chimeric) and many different color forms result. I personally do not have enough experience with this variety to answer your question.
If anyone is having trouble understanding the issue, I believe what Jack is asking is, can the suckers of a specific Siam Ruby color form be the same as the mother plant? Or is is just as unstable as it is in tissue culture?
In other words yes. :D Anyone? Any experience?
mm4birds
06-19-2009, 01:50 PM
Mutations always occur in nature otherwise we would have no variegated plants like aeae or seedless bananas. I am sure in culture chemicals can be added at some point to induce mutations such as colchicine in the production of tetraploid plants (daylillies and orchids for example). Due to the nature of tissue culture the rate of mutation is probably higher or at least the survival rate of unusual plants (selectively cared for by the grower) since survival of offshoots in nature is not 100% :bananas_b
Jack Daw
06-19-2009, 01:56 PM
Mutations always occur in nature otherwise we would have no variegated plants like aeae or seedless bananas. I am sure in culture chemicals can be added at some point to induce mutations such as colchicine in the production of tetraploid plants (daylillies and orchids for example). Due to the nature of tissue culture the rate of mutation is probably higher or at least the survival rate of unusual plants (selectively cared for by the grower) since survival of offshoots in nature is not 100% :bananas_b
Are there any other records of naturally mutated Siam Ruby? Because if I recall well, the Siam Ruby is a natural mutation. Has there been any other such mutations, but with the Siam Ruby as mutating plant?
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