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Dalmatiansoap
05-20-2009, 07:25 AM
Well,
now Im pretty shure about dark side of banana growing in Croatia!!!
SNAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have to get some limicid ASAP!
:woohoonaner:

Tog Tan
05-20-2009, 08:04 AM
Give them a beer party! They love beer and it kills them. :ha:

Ueberwinden
05-20-2009, 08:41 AM
They are not fond of epsom salts either!!!!

Michael

Jack Daw
05-20-2009, 08:53 AM
They are not fond of epsom salts either!!!!

Michael
In our shops there are these parasites that feed on snails. Do you have something like that in your shops?

Dalmatiansoap
06-01-2009, 12:00 PM
Third rainy day.
They are BACK!!!
I cannt do anything untill stops raining :(
Grrrrrr.!!!
:woohoonaner:

Bob
06-01-2009, 12:45 PM
Are they big enough to eat?

Dalmatiansoap
06-01-2009, 12:54 PM
I dont know. Didnt catch any!!!
I was too slow again. But I ll get them one day.
:woohoonaner:

jmoore
06-01-2009, 01:21 PM
Copper is supposed to deter snails/slugs. If it's in a pot put a copper strip around the rim, unless they are breeding in the pot in which case nematodes as jack daw says.

Dalmatiansoap
07-09-2009, 09:40 AM
I have BUGS now!!!
Litlle white ones. Thousands!!! My ensetes are turned in uglly gray-brown plants in a two days.
Need solution on this ASP.
Insecticide? Cut to corm?
Please!!!
:0493:

Bob
07-09-2009, 09:57 AM
Some years here we get white fly on tomatoes etc. Try spraying the plant off with hose and insecticidal soap.

Dalmatiansoap
07-09-2009, 10:18 AM
Thanks Bob,
just what is "hose"?

Bob
07-09-2009, 10:22 AM
Hollow rubber tube you spray water from the house with.

momoese
07-09-2009, 01:06 PM
In the past I have used these Dcollate predatory snails in my veggie gardens with great results. Just make sure they are legal for your area. The beer method works great too. Take some cheap beer and cut the cans in half, burry them so the snails can climb in for a swim and collect the dead ones in the morning. The more beer traps you place the more slugs you kill!

Here is one source for the predator snails but there are many places you can buy them.

Decollate Snails (Predatory)-100 - 8220100 (http://www.easytogrowbulbs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=507)

momoese
07-09-2009, 01:07 PM
In the past I have used these Decollate predatory snails in my veggie gardens with great results. Just make sure they are legal for your area. The beer method works great too. Take some cheap beer and cut the cans in half, burry them so the snails can climb in for a swim and collect the dead ones in the morning. The more beer traps you place the more slugs you kill!

Here is one source for the predator snails but there are many places you can buy them.

Decollate Snails (Predatory)-100 - 8220100 (http://www.easytogrowbulbs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=507)

Lagniappe
07-09-2009, 01:37 PM
If you can find a product containing metaldehyde, go for it! I don't use pesticides usually, but this stuff is great! The snails will come out in the daylight to eat it. I used to buy the snail bait in the can, but I can't find it anymore and bought Ortho Bug-Geta in it's stead. It comes in little pellets and you could put one tiny pellet on the concrete and have piles of snails around it after a few hours of night. This is, of course, if you have snail infestations like I've had the last two springs.

Dalmatiansoap
07-09-2009, 06:10 PM
I have BUGS now!!!
Litlle white ones. Thousands!!! My ensetes are turned in uglly gray-brown plants in a two days.
Need solution on this ASP.
Insecticide? Cut to corm?
Please!!!
:0493:

One is allready cut :(.

Jack Daw
07-11-2009, 07:13 AM
One is allready cut :(.
If you post the pics, we might better assess what type of bug it is and what would be the best protection...

Edit: Ante, soap always kills anything superficial, but it mustn't get to the roots, otherwise it will force deformed growth!
I would like to help, but pic would be mostly needed. ;)

Dalmatiansoap
07-11-2009, 07:27 AM
Sort of leaf flys. I sprayed them with insecticide and have to repeat that again for every tree days beacouse of larves. But should work after 2-3 times. We will see.
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
07-11-2009, 07:46 AM
Sort of leaf flys. I sprayed them with insecticide and have to repeat that again for every tree days beacouse of larves. But should work after 2-3 times. We will see.
:woohoonaner:
DalmatianSOAP, use SOAP if it doesn't work, 'cause it's better than insecticide. The problem with pests and ants is that they adapt quickly. What killed those 2 weeks ago might be useless now etc.

I hope they vanish, but I doubt that if they come sometime in the future, it will work.

The advantage with the soap is, that it doesn't kill with it's chemistry, it simply creates a very thin layer (so it should be out of rain!) and keeps the pest inside. Not only that when they eat it, they will be poisoned, but also this layer prohibits the air to be created for a short time (1 or 2 days) and to exist there for a short time, so the plant is unharmed, yet the bugs are gonna die with horrible, suffocating death.

And this works with any generation, 'cause they can't change their breathing system. :D ;)

BTW. Hose = hadica

YAKUZA
07-11-2009, 07:59 AM
nice info. Is it good for spidermite 2? How mutch soap for 1l of water. Jack pleas read my tread about cut leaves of new lasiocarpa pups before placement in containers. Need some answers.

Jack Daw
07-11-2009, 10:22 AM
nice info. Is it good for spidermite 2? How mutch soap for 1l of water. Jack pleas read my tread about cut leaves of new lasiocarpa pups before placement in containers. Need some answers.
Could you please state link to that thread, can't find it anymore. :D

YAKUZA
07-11-2009, 12:49 PM
Could you please state link to that thread, can't find it anymore. :D

its in the seperate the pups section.

Dalmatiansoap
09-16-2009, 02:20 PM
I couldnt find better place to post my newest banana warry but in this thread.
Easy but shure WINTER is comming!
New problem would be OWERWINTERING!!!
On the other side, it is also regular part of banana growing so it cannot be so hard, right.
My biggest problem is DC which is even maybe close to flower. It is potted and I dont know what to do with it. Should I put it indoor in unheathed, dark room to go dormant or give him temp. 15-20C to continnue with growing but if it fruit during winter I dont know can I plant whan spring come?
Someone have any suggestions?
Regards
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
09-16-2009, 02:56 PM
I couldnt find better place to post my newest banana warry but in this thread.
Easy but shure WINTER is comming!
New problem would be OWERWINTERING!!!
On the other side, it is also regular part of banana growing so it cannot be so hard, right.
My biggest problem is DC which is even maybe close to flower. It is potted and I dont know what to do with it. Should I put it indoor in unheathed, dark room to go dormant or give him temp. 15-20C to continnue with growing but if it fruit during winter I dont know can I plant whan spring come?
Someone have any suggestions?
Regards
:woohoonaner:
Well, this is what I was solving as a problem too and then came to conclusion, that in my conditions and climate it would be more effective to devise a way to remove the bananas from soil without causing them too much stress and to grow them inside in winter, which is quite possible with almost any subtropical and tropical banana. The only exception would be PK, because it has quite short vegetation period in India (April or May - November). I think that if your plant is about to bloom, you should really help it and not let it rest, don't be afraid of winter bloom, it's the safest bloom in our climates, if you have the plants inside, because you can control the temperatures.

Repotting is maybe out of question now, it would cause stress. Planting out too. Just keep it in a pot and watch the P-stem. If it starts showing a sign of expansion, your flower will soon come out.

Pics and good luck, pal. :bananas_b

maesy
09-19-2009, 11:54 AM
Bringing inside is a good way as long as they are still in their childhood size.
After being in the ground a second season, mine are usually close to 2 meters tall included the leaves and almost that wide. Then you still have to add the pot. If you have a tall growing variety like ice cream, they will reach more than that in only one season!
Then you will need a very high room to store.

That is a reason why I only grow dwarfs.

Marcel

Dalmatiansoap
09-19-2009, 02:52 PM
This year most of them will be inside in pots but as U say next year that will be imposiblle but Im pretty shure that IC can be left outside with minimum protection here. For now I want to keep as much plants as I can in best condition for planting in spring
:woohoonaner:

Dalmatiansoap
10-12-2009, 02:40 PM
As mention earlyer, today I took my plants indoor to avoid cold and strong wind that started tonight and will blow till end of the week.
Only four plants are left planted outside, two Basjoos, one Glaucum and one Ventricosum all with trimed leaves on 1/3 of lenght for less wind resistant.
I can proudly say now: OWERWINTERING BEGINS ;)
Welcome on grower dark side :ha::ha::ha:
Regards banana buddys
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
10-12-2009, 03:16 PM
As mention earlyer, today I took my plants indoor to avoid cold and strong wind that started tonight and will blow till end of the week.
Only four plants are left planted outside, two Basjoos, one Glaucum and one Ventricosum all with trimed leaves on 1/3 of lenght for less wind resistant.
I can proudly say now: OWERWINTERING BEGINS ;)
Welcome on grower dark side :ha::ha::ha:
Regards banana buddys
:woohoonaner:
Well, Ante, nice pic you've got in the Tog In Memoriam section.

Btw. It's possible that the temps will go so low and winds will get so fast here, that it might bring snow from mountains (distanced etwa ( :D ) 50km). Guess what!

I still have one Pahari Kela outside, several SDCs, 6 Grand Nains... No time to put them inside. Maybe I should do it tomorrow. One Pahari Kela is safe, just to say, nicely potted, enjoying firm temps of 15/15°C day/night temps.

Grand Nains seem to be fighters, but I'm also surprised, how well those naners are holding. Cold rains since Wednesday have done some veeeery bad job. Ricinus communis should also go inside...
Argh, time...
Gotta run, good luck Ante and keep us posted!

maesy
10-13-2009, 01:49 PM
I have just brought my Dwarf Brazilian and Dwarf Orinoco inside.
They were planted in iron cages that I dug out and and placed in the basement with natural ground.
It's a dark room that stays between 12°C and 14°C. I'm not planing to cut any leaves off.
Have a look. What do you think?
The DB is on the left and the smaller DO on the right.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/maesy/Garden%20August%202009/DSC02727.jpg

Marcel

Dalmatiansoap
10-13-2009, 02:06 PM
Great looking plants. Makes me laugh whan I see all that pots, we ALL share same pots problem :ha:
In my case I have even some plants in my living room :).
Siam rubi, smaller DC, few seedlings...
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=24928&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=24928&ppuser=4565)
Acuminata
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=24929&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=24929&ppuser=4565)
And fuuuuuull attic ;)
:woohoonaner:

maesy
10-13-2009, 02:21 PM
I also have a smaller couple just beside me. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/maesy/Garden%20August%202009/DSC02732.jpg

Marcel

Dalmatiansoap
11-10-2009, 04:31 PM
Easy but shure WINTER is comming!
New problem would be OWERWINTERING!!!
New one is occuring:(.
Its called CONSTANT RAIN!
Its raining for more than week now and its starting to make me warry about plants outside. How long they can stay so wet in this temperatures?

YAKUZA
11-10-2009, 04:40 PM
same problem here.
i raped my outside basjoo withe glaswool insullation end a garbage bag over it. its protected for rain and cold but im warrying about rotting.
temp is high so rotting is possible.
overhere the temp is not constant anymore.
sometimes 10°c some times @ night -1.
hope winter is sweeter than 2008. we had temp - 19°c

bikoro child
11-11-2009, 03:46 AM
Same too here ...70l/m3!! 2days ago a lot of hail ...But no frost temp are positiive and my bananas in the garden aren't yet protected...Only the zebrina is inside with a couple of potted bananas...

Dalmatiansoap
11-11-2009, 07:16 AM
Beautifull day today, Sun is shininig, see is calm, blue sky, just glorious :).
And Im still working! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....;)
:woohoonaner:

YAKUZA
11-13-2009, 01:36 PM
overhere 17°c hot for the time of year.But i like it.
hope its for the rest of the year.

Dalmatiansoap
12-16-2009, 03:11 PM
Baaah,
I went to check my naners in cold storadge today and I have to report that all my Cavendish group is showing first signs of winterising problems. They all looks the same, DC, SDC and Mahoi. M. rowe red looks like them too. Ice cream is leader in hardyer group for now. I have to monitore them better till weekend now couse it looks like temp is going down :(.

palmpje
12-16-2009, 03:42 PM
Here you can just see a few of the spots in my house that are infested with Musa plants. :0517:

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=27782&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=27782&ppuser=5591)

What a horror, some plants have first a growing yellow leaf, then shriveled leafs, then they get very ugly, then the pseudostem gets weak, and then when i cut them they are black inside, this means that they are rotting inside ... however I took some plants inside already for a time in the warm house, but maybe already too late ... small plants are very vulnerable.

Musa basjoo red, Grand Nain, Musa sikkimensis darjeeling giant :( all death

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=27781&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=27781&ppuser=5591)

same from other angle

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=27780&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=27780&ppuser=5591)

raja puri, my little sweatheart, still going strong

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=27779&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=27779&ppuser=5591)



http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=27778&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=27778&ppuser=5591)

some very sad looking Siam Ruby and Siam Green. Goddamned ! If i loose these little guys I will not be happy.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=27784&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=27784&ppuser=5591)

Some other Musas doing a lot better,

Do you have any idea what the plant is at the left??? i'm curious if you can tell !!

I still have other plants, palms and Musas in other places, these fotos are for the next time.

Ante: What wintering problems do you face? the leafs are pointing down and they seem weak ? because of temperature.

Did anybody made the same mistakes like me and end up with ugly plants like the Siam Ruby ?

Dalmatiansoap
12-16-2009, 03:58 PM
It looks to me that U have over watered them and some (Siam Ruby) might even be infested with spidermites. It will be hard to get some of them back :(.

palmpje
12-16-2009, 04:10 PM
At the moments the plants are not very wet, but I think i have made a mistake before, the temperatures were going down very much while the soil was moderatly wet.

I don't think I have spider mites because I don't see spiderwebs.

I begin to see an overwater pattern in this:

1/ leafs get yellow
2/ leafs get droopy
3/ leafs get thin and shrivel up
4/ pseudostem loose strength
5/ rot detected

SO If you start to overwinter plants, it seems you have to be very carefull that the soil isn't wet. Because when it's cold ( 10 degrees for example ) and the plant isn't active growing, the soil will stay wet, especially if the pot is a little big.

Thats how i killed the musa basjoo red. I didn't gave water for a long time, but the soil was still wet, because the pot was so big ! !

Dalmatiansoap
12-17-2009, 05:23 AM
I don't think I have spider mites because I don't see spiderwebs.


U dont have too see it. Cut that brown leaves off and take better look for tiny white spots on downside of leaves.
:woohoonaner:

palmpje
12-23-2009, 01:30 PM
I have got some information from a shopholder that has lots of Musas in his shop. He said to me that "Musa basjoo red" and Musa Siam Ruby are especial difficult species to overwinter.

About Musa siam he said that he thinks this specie don't like dormancy and should be kept growing.

Did you heared anything about this and do you think this info is correct.

It gives me hope that at least i'm not soo bad in overwintering nanas.

Jack Daw
12-23-2009, 02:36 PM
He said to me that "Musa basjoo red" and Musa Siam Ruby are especial difficult species to overwinter.
I beg to differ. Naners are the least of my overwintering problems unlike citruses that just keep dying and stagnating. I don't know why...
Musa basjoo red is growing nicely and without any problems. Since I separated a pup for Ante, it has slowed down the growth by 90%, but grows for sure.

marenmar
12-23-2009, 04:28 PM
About Musa siam he said that he thinks this specie don't like dormancy and should be kept growing.

In my home, this specie refuses to go in dormancy;) at 15°C. So I keep it on the dry side and it keeps on growing and even a new pup is popping up.

palmpje
12-24-2009, 11:28 AM
Jack Daw:

What soil mix do you use for overwintering nanners? do you use something especific for small plants?

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=28099&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=28099&ppuser=5591)

My Super Dwarf Cavendish (3 small plants) are shriveling up now also. I must be doing something clearly wrong. Still haven't figured it out. I have put the plant inside where it's at least 20°C. And I gave it some more water because I tought maybe it was drying out.

Let's see what happens now.

Today I've got my replacement grand nain, that I purchased trough Ebay.

Thanks for all advice.

Jack Daw
12-24-2009, 02:40 PM
Jack Daw:

What soil mix do you use for overwintering nanners? do you use something especific for small plants?


Nope, no special soil. Some of the naners (DCs and SDCs) had excellent soil with perlite and stuff, but the rest, those that were growing outside... well. I just took them out of the garden literally with soil. No extra additives were necessary. Soils here are excellent.

palmpje
12-25-2009, 06:53 AM
I'm looking at my plants, and I think Ante is right, it must be a infestation of spider mites. I'm seeing very little white things, that seem to not move, they are so small that i can't see if these are insects or not. I'm thinking this is the only reason.

What do you guys do to not have spider mites ? because you have to keep the plants dry at the winter. I think a regular mist with water?

I didn't do that till now. I will start now.

I have seen spider mites on another plant onces, but these spiders where still visible for the eye. Maybe there are different types of spider mites, that are almost invisible?

Seweryn
12-25-2009, 08:24 AM
Spider mites usually live on the bottom side of leavs, along main nerve. The simpliest way to make them away is wiping leaves by moist duster (water + detergent) or using some insecticide. I don't thik spraying only water will be efficient.
If you decide for insecticide, (fungicide etc), be careful to not let the solution flow down to this place where young leavs grow up. They are very sensitive to demage by any chemicals ( I've experienced that couple times).

island cassie
12-25-2009, 08:39 PM
Yakuza - you do know that Saba are monsters with about 20ft (6 mtrs) of pstem?

palmpje
12-26-2009, 05:53 AM
Thank you friends for the good advice, I4m already wiping like crazy with water and dishwasher-detergent :02: