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Tog Tan
05-17-2009, 03:12 PM
Hey people, I am sure many of you out there are palm crazy too, maybe as crazy or worse off than me! It was my first obsession before I went bananas....
This post is for my two new palm-ists friends, Lil Rat and ArchAngel....

It was during my collection trips many donkey years ago that I saw many palms I cannot ID in the jungles here. Most palms from other countries, I can ID but not the local ones cos there's hardly any literature on them. One of the first family of palms which caught my eye was from the genus Pinanga of which there are a few species which have beautiful spotted leaves.

I love to hunt along the streams as these areas have a very diverse plant collection and of course it is also the home ground of the Musa violascens! Here, I have just collected a mid sized Pinanga disticha with very good high contrast coloration.
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17460&ppuser=3823><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17460&size=1 border=0></a>

Here is the star of my first post, Pinanga disticha;
This is a dwarf palm with many forms in M'sia and visually they can be very confusing. They have a pencil thin stem and so far I have only seen specimens growing to a height of about 4ft though the literature says it can get to 7ft. They cluster freely but the clump does not have a messy look. In maturity, the leaves may lose its bifid form and may be slightly pinnate.

This pix was taken ensitu in a moist area of the jungle where this species is easily found.
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17459><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17459&size=1 border=0></a>

This spotted leaf species retains the colors throughout their life. I still collect those which have a high color contrast. Base color range from a dark green to a mid yellowish green with highly contrasting yellow spots.

In the jungle, they are often found in the moist areas and beside streams in deep shade of down to 30-40% light infiltration from the canopy. The seeds are red when ripe. However, it is easier to remove a sucker than to germinate the seed! Once established in cultivation, they are undemanding and grow at a steady pace. I have encountered sites whereby, it is almost impossible not to step on the seedlings! :ha:

So with this first post, let's hear of the loves of your palm life! :ha::ha::ha:

Dalmatiansoap
05-17-2009, 03:21 PM
Bravo Tog!
I will deffinitlly support this thread. I have for now about 50-60 seedlings of palms from around here and I hope that my collection will soon get some new and exotic members!
:woohoonaner:

brydon1
05-17-2009, 04:52 PM
Tog :woohoonaner:,

thank you so much for your efforts. I will definitely be in your ears about palms and your stories about them.

Can't wait :02:

lorax
05-17-2009, 06:00 PM
The largest Palm love of my life is Parajubea cocoides, the Quito Palm. It's the highest-altitude growing palm in the world, up to 3,800 meters above sea level. The seeds are edible, too, like tiny coconuts.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o232/lifted_lorax/Quito/th_DSCN4513.jpg (http://s121.photobucket.com/albums/o232/lifted_lorax/Quito/?action=view&current=DSCN4513.jpg)

After this, I'd say my fave is most likely Socratea exorrhiza (Chonta) or Mauritia flexuosa (Morete). I'll have to troll the archives for photos of those.

just j
05-17-2009, 09:04 PM
love the palm tog wish they wernt so expensive here im a big fan of the ruffled fan and the bismarck

bepah
05-17-2009, 10:51 PM
To find the real experts, www.palmtalk.org is a fantastic resource. There is more knowledge there than anywhere else. Check it out.

ArchAngeL01
05-17-2009, 11:23 PM
YAY!! thanxx for making this....i actually found a bismark palm today after a 18 year search lol :woohoonaner: know anything about him?

saltydad
05-18-2009, 12:59 AM
Tog, that is a beautiful palm! Do you think it would winter inside well? Living in Maryland, I have only cold-hardy palms. The following all are outside year-round: Needle Palm (Rhapidophyllum hystrix), Chinese Windmill Palm (Trachycarpus fortunei), Dwarf Palmetto (Sabal minor 'McCurtain'), Mexican Palmetto (Sabal mexicana), Chinese Fan Palm (Livistonia chinensis), Woolly Pindo (Jelly) Palm (Butia eriospatha). They all receive winter protection. I also have a cycad -Sago Palm, which of course isn't a palm. This one spends the winter inside.

Jack Daw
05-18-2009, 03:16 AM
Tog, that is a beautiful palm! Do you think it would winter inside well? Living in Maryland, I have only cold-hardy palms. The following all are outside year-round: Needle Palm (Rhapidophyllum hystrix), Chinese Windmill Palm (Trachycarpus fortunei), Dwarf Palmetto (Sabal minor 'McCurtain'), Mexican Palmetto (Sabal mexicana), Chinese Fan Palm (Livistonia chinensis), Woolly Pindo (Jelly) Palm (Butia eriospatha). They all receive winter protection. I also have a cycad -Sago Palm, which of course isn't a palm. This one spends the winter inside.
I began with hardy palms in my area too. I started by buying at least 25 seeds from every palm (but respectively, Trachycarpus fortunei was 100 seds :D ) and then started to germinate. Out of 500 seeds (you see, I have every! known extremely hardy palm), about 100 has sprouted already, with some plants such as Nannorrhops richiana 'Green' and 'Silver' going to 100% germination ratio. However my favourite palm is Jubea chilensis.

I have some 50 seeds of which 3 have already started to sprout, but it's a tough piece to germinate. Other than that of course I already have small seedlings of Sabal minor, Washingtonia filifera and robusta, Trachycarpus takil, Jubaea chilensis, Trachycarpus wagnerianus.

The complete list of what I intend to have one day all in my garden (and are germinating right now) is:

<table style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 165pt;" width="220" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><col style="width: 165pt;" width="220"> <tbody><tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl65" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Butia capitata "Odorata"
"Southern Jelly Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Butia capitata
"Pindo Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Butia eriospatha
"Wooly Butia Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40"><table style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 165pt;" width="220" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><col style="width: 165pt;" width="220"><tbody><tr style="height: 45pt;" height="60"> <td class="xl65" style="height: 45pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="60">Cocos nucifera
"Coco Palm"</td> </tr></tbody></table>Chamaerops humilis
"European Fan Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 60pt;" height="80"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 60pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="80">Jubea chilensis
"Chilean Wine Palm", "Coquito Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Nanorrhops ritchiana 'Green'
"Mazari Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Nanorrhops ritchiana 'Silver'
"Mazari Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Phoenix dactylifera
"Date Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Rhapidophyllum hystrix
"Needle Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Sabal minor
"Dwarf Palmetto"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Sabal palmetto
"Cabbage Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Trachycarpus fortunei x wagnerianus</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 45pt;" height="60"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 45pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="60">Trachycarpus fortunei
Trachykarp konopný
"Windmill Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Trachycarpus latisectus
"Windamere Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 15pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="20">Trachycarpus manipur</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 15pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="20">Trachycarpus martianus 'Nepal'</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 15pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="20">Trachycarpus nanus</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 15pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="20">Trachycarpus oreophilus</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 15pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="20">Trachycarpus wagnerianus</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Washingtonia filifera
"California Fan Palm"</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 30pt;" height="40"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 30pt; width: 165pt;" width="220" height="40">Washingtonia robusta
"Mexican Fan Palm"</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

P.S: The most beautiful palm of the world >>
http://www.plantapalm.com/vpe/photos/Species/Pics/jubaea_chilensis.jpg

musaboru
05-18-2009, 05:02 AM
Two palms I really want the most is Areca catechu and Cyrtostachys lakka (or renda).
For now, I am fine with a little Archontophoenix in a pot I got, it sorta looks like a little Areca catechu now and enough for my plant fix at the moment. :)

I hear the cyrtostachys grows like a weed there in Malaysia Tog. :O

I dont really like any other palm. I really care about the attraction of the leaves and shape of the trunk etc and I find those three really beautiful. I know Im so picky. ^____^

Jack Daw
05-18-2009, 05:12 AM
Two palms I really want the most is Areca catechu and Cyrtostachys lakka (or renda).
For now, I am fine with a little Archontophoenix in a pot I got, it sorta looks like a little Areca catechu now and enough for my plant fix at the moment. :)

I hear the cyrtostachys grows like a weed there in Malaysia Tog. :O

I dont really like any other palm. I really care about the attraction of the leaves and shape of the trunk etc and I find those three really beautiful. I know Im so picky. ^____^
What about Roystonea, Hyophorbe or others?

P.S: Cyrtostachys renda is about to germinate (I have it for greenhouse and home only though)

Tog Tan
05-18-2009, 07:17 AM
Tog, that is a beautiful palm! Do you think it would winter inside well? Living in Maryland, I have only cold-hardy palms.

Howard, with its size and very low light requirements, I don't see any problems of you bringing it indoors.

Two palms I really want the most is Areca catechu and Cyrtostachys lakka (or renda).
For now, I am fine with a little Archontophoenix in a pot I got, it sorta looks like a little Areca catechu now and enough for my plant fix at the moment. :)
I hear the cyrtostachys grows like a weed there in Malaysia Tog. :O
I dont really like any other palm. I really care about the attraction of the leaves and shape of the trunk etc and I find those three really beautiful. I know Im so picky. ^____^

Yup, yup, yup, the C renda is everywhere! The A catechu is a nice palm to grow but it gets tall. If you have the chance, get the dwarf version from Thailand. Sometimes sds of this dwarf cultivar are offered but not all germinate true. From what I gather thru the people in Thailand only about 80% comes out dwarf. It is a very lovely stout short palm which does not get more than 6ft in trunk height. I have the rarer form from Myanmar which is much stouter/fatter in trunk size than the Thai variety. A catechu sds will sprout in slightly more than a month if they are fresh.

Here you can see how tall the A catechu can get. It is growing by a river along with the Musa acuminata subsp malaccensis. Do you think you can still handle the height? :ha:
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15403><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=15403&size=1 border=0></a>

What about Roystonea, Hyophorbe or others?
P.S: Cyrtostachys renda is about to germinate (I have it for greenhouse and home only though)

Jack, Roystonea regia is one of the first palms to be used in landscaping in the city and they are everywhere. Now people are very tired of it and it's replacement is the Woodeytia bifurcata, the Aussie Fox Tail Palm. Now this palm is everywhere! We have Hyphorbe's as in H lagenicaulis but it is not popular because of the uneven development of the bottle shape. H verschaffeltii is also found as a landscape element but it is not popular as it is common looking. Anyway, both these two genus are very good growers.

To find the real experts, www.palmtalk.org is a fantastic resource. There is more knowledge there than anywhere else. Check it out.

Hey John, I tried joining sites like this and others but like here best, they mostly talk about growing it in the cold areas. I was also a mini tropics discovery channel of sort in my posts. I gave up after awhile cos I wasn't learning much. There is no doubt they are very good, especially on the technical side of things but I opted for the friendliness of this site. :ha: Probably it will be great for the people from the west as they can learn alot about growing palms in the cold areas.

just j
05-18-2009, 09:43 AM
YAY!! thanxx for making this....i actually found a bismark palm today after a 18 year search lol :woohoonaner: know anything about him?what do u need to know? the main thing is put it in a big pot or in ground cause once its planted u cant dig it up they are real sensitive to the roots getting damaged. i killed alot of them this way. u should of put a wanted add up a long time ago i would of sent u one for 10 bucks about 2-3 foot with around 5-9 leaves im all out now

Tog Tan
05-18-2009, 11:30 AM
The largest Palm love of my life is Parajubea cocoides, the Quito Palm. It's the highest-altitude growing palm in the world, up to 3,800 meters above sea level. The seeds are edible, too, like tiny coconuts.
After this, I'd say my fave is most likely Socratea exorrhiza (Chonta) or Mauritia flexuosa (Morete). I'll have to troll the archives for photos of those.

Yes Beth, I love the S exorrhiza. Real cool looking with the high heels.:ha: So do you know all the palm species in your area? I guess you must know what's on my mind already....:ha::ha::ha:

YAY!! thanxx for making this....i actually found a bismark palm today after a 18 year search lol :woohoonaner: know anythingabout him?

AA, This is a real beauty. I had one years ago as a 3 leaf sdlg which grew to a monster size after 9 years. I relocated and left it at that house. I still see it whenever I am in that area. It's a lovely silver colored huge palm. Once they are established in the ground, there's no stopping them. The sds, if you can get them are very easy to germinate. They come up in just a month or so with very long roots. Right now, they have become another landscaping favorite in the city. However, the idiots plant them very close with a distance of only 6ft! How little these small brained version of humans know...:ha::ha::ha:

lorax
05-18-2009, 11:47 AM
Yes, Tog; I know most of them... I do know what's on your mind but you have to wait for me to get an export licence 'cause I assume you'll want live ones (and the seeds are too bulky to smuggle...)

I can get you some neat stuff from the Pseudoarecaceae too - like Toquilla.

musaboru
05-18-2009, 09:26 PM
Tog, awesome pic! Oh yes that is beautiful. And thanks for the info. I do not really know much about the different varieties of Areca catechu. I looked at some pictures of dwarf ones and they are mighty cute. Yes, I said cute. :ha:

Would you know a seed source for the variety from Myanmar? (I find this ironic since the Thais seem to come up with all the interesting variety of plants hehe).



What about Roystonea, Hyophorbe or others?

P.S: Cyrtostachys renda is about to germinate (I have it for greenhouse and home only though)

Nope. What I really dislike is when the trunk is curvaceous. Not sure why I feel that way, but thats what I don't like.

My main attractions are non-tapering, bamboo-like trunk with beautifully proportioned foliage. The ones I like have aesthetically pleasing overall symmetry to my eyes. Although, I cringe whenever I see Archontophoenix planted in groups because it makes their trunk really curve.
So you see.... Hehe.

Anyways, thats awesome you got them to germinate. Congrats.:scroll::scroll::scroll::scroll::scroll::scroll:

ArchAngeL01
05-19-2009, 12:20 AM
How hardy do you think the bismarkia is??? can you campare it's hardiness to another palm ?

Jack Daw
05-19-2009, 02:25 AM
How hardy do you think the bismarkia is??? can you campare it's hardiness to another palm ?
It's for zones USDA 10 and upper, it's said to survive also in warmer parts of zone USDA 9, but it's said to be damaged sometimes by seasonal frosts...

Tog Tan
05-19-2009, 09:52 AM
Variegated Palms
Hey, you people into Variegated palms? Over here, they cost a bomb and I have only a couple of them cos I am tired of spending money chasing them. :ha:

This is a Variegated Adonida merrillii aka Christmas Palm. I got it as a small sdlg from Bkk. Variegation is stable and it is a good grower.
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17491><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17525 border=0></a>

Variegated Rhapis excelsa aka Lady Palm. I was lucky to get this clump which has good colors. Being variegated, it is very slow growing compared to the green form. I also have have the dwarf Japanese form which is pure yellow and it hardly grows!
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17526><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17526&size=1 border=0></a>

bepah
05-19-2009, 10:15 AM
Howard, with its size and very low light requirements, I don't see any problems of you bringing it indoors.



Yup, yup, yup, the C renda is everywhere! The A catechu is a nice palm to grow but it gets tall. If you have the chance, get the dwarf version from Thailand. Sometimes sds of this dwarf cultivar are offered but not all germinate true. From what I gather thru the people in Thailand only about 80% comes out dwarf. It is a very lovely stout short palm which does not get more than 6ft in trunk height. I have the rarer form from Myanmar which is much stouter/fatter in trunk size than the Thai variety. A catechu sds will sprout in slightly more than a month if they are fresh.

Here you can see how tall the A catechu can get. It is growing by a river along with the Musa acuminata subsp malaccensis. Do you think you can still handle the height? :ha:
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15403><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=15403&size=1 border=0></a>



Jack, Roystonea regia is one of the first palms to be used in landscaping in the city and they are everywhere. Now people are very tired of it and it's replacement is the Woodeytia bifurcata, the Aussie Fox Tail Palm. Now this palm is everywhere! We have Hyphorbe's as in H lagenicaulis but it is not popular because of the uneven development of the bottle shape. H verschaffeltii is also found as a landscape element but it is not popular as it is common looking. Anyway, both these two genus are very good growers.



Hey John, I tried joining sites like this and others but like here best, they mostly talk about growing it in the cold areas. I was also a mini tropics discovery channel of sort in my posts. I gave up after awhile cos I wasn't learning much. There is no doubt they are very good, especially on the technical side of things but I opted for the friendliness of this site. :ha: Probably it will be great for the people from the west as they can learn alot about growing palms in the cold areas.

PREPARE FOR RANT

Like me and 80% of the people who post here as well. Take a look at the distribution of the posters here. I am in 9b and pass by hundreds of posts that are looking for plants to grow in zone 6 or lower.

For example, this thread is talking about C. renda (lipstick palm), Unless you live in the tropics, you'll spend a lot of time and money watching it die. /not good.

It is my opinion (with which you can add 4 bucks and buy a cup of coffee at Starbacks) that if you live in the tropics, everything seems to be pretty easy to grow. Slip into zone 9 or lower, the challenges mount and grow the lower your zone.

Just in this thread, there is a lot of misinformation re: palms already....thery die slowly and early successes in temperate and cooler areas are almost always followed by the palm struggling and eventually dying. I know this....from experience. I push zones as hard as anyone. For example, I currently have a Pseudophoenix cunninghamiana (King Palm, Bangalow Palm) which is a truly a zone 10 palm. I now have about 6 inches of trunk on it....and I know that a freeze could come any year and kill it (almost happened in 07).

I am sorry to be so strident on this topic, but it is frustrating to me to see so many folks push tropicals to such a limit and then fail. You can protect your banana by cutting it down and putting it the garage for the winter, moving palms is not practical once they reach and size at all, past seedling size.

END OF RANT!

Jack Daw
05-19-2009, 10:19 AM
PREPARE FOR RANT

Like me and 80% of the people who post here as well. Take a look at the distribution of the posters here. I am in 9b and pass by hundreds of posts that are looking for plants to grow in zone 6 or lower.

For example, this thread is talking about C. renda (lipstick palm), Unless you live in the tropics, you'll spend a lot of time and money watching it die. /not good.

It is my opinion (with which you can add 4 bucks and buy a cup of coffee at Starbacks) that if you live in the tropics, everything seems to be pretty easy to grow. Slip into zone 9 or lower, the challenges mount and grow the lower your zone.

Just in this thread, there is a lot of misinformation re: palms already....thery die slowly and early successes in temperate and cooler areas are almost always followed by the palm struggling and eventually dying. I know this....from experience. I push zones as hard as anyone. For example, I currently have a Pseudophoenix cunninghamiana (King Palm, Bangalow Palm) which is a truly a zone 10 palm. I now have about 6 inches of trunk on it....and I know that a freeze could come any year and kill it (almost happened in 07).

I am sorry to be so strident on this topic, but it is frustrating to me to see so many folks push tropicals to such a limit and then fail. You can protect your banana by cutting it down and putting it the garage for the winter, moving palms is not practical once they reach and size at all, past seedling size.

END OF RANT!
I mentioned that it's for Greenhouse. ;) Tropical, year-long hot and wet greenhouse...

Tog Tan
05-19-2009, 10:22 AM
PREPARE FOR RANT

Like me and 80% of the people who post here as well. Take a look at the distribution of the posters here. I am in 9b and pass by hundreds of posts that are looking for plants to grow in zone 6 or lower.

For example, this thread is talking about C. renda (lipstick palm), Unless you live in the tropics, you'll spend a lot of time and money watching it die. /not good.

It is my opinion (with which you can add 4 bucks and buy a cup of coffee at Starbacks) that if you live in the tropics, everything seems to be pretty easy to grow. Slip into zone 9 or lower, the challenges mount and grow the lower your zone.

Just in this thread, there is a lot of misinformation re: palms already....thery die slowly and early successes in temperate and cooler areas are almost always followed by the palm struggling and eventually dying. I know this....from experience. I push zones as hard as anyone. For example, I currently have a Pseudophoenix cunninghamiana (King Palm, Bangalow Palm) which is a truly a zone 10 palm. I now have about 6 inches of trunk on it....and I know that a freeze could come any year and kill it (almost happened in 07).

I am sorry to be so strident on this topic, but it is frustrating to me to see so many folks push tropicals to such a limit and then fail. You can protect your banana by cutting it down and putting it the garage for the winter, moving palms is not practical once they reach and size at all, past seedling size.

END OF RANT!

Yup, fully understood! Not rant as far as I feel. I have the same problems trying to germinate temperate palms here. Most will come up and die off. I will still try cos I know there will be one amongst the many will fight to survive and grow. I have friends in Japan going the utmost limit in protecting their big palms for the winter. I am lucky to be where I am and I appreciate it so I try to grow as many of the regional stuff as I can before I get others from elsewhere. :ha:

ArchAngeL01
05-19-2009, 12:56 PM
i use to live in zone 6 ,zone 6=rotten palm tree :( the leaves on my trachycarpus stayed green but the bud rotted everytime i replaced it ............even a large one :( and the pindo palm stayed green but it's bud was fried ...good thing i moved to the beach !!!!!:D :woohoonaner::woohoonaner:

just j
05-19-2009, 03:55 PM
How hardy do you think the bismarkia is??? can you campare it's hardiness to another palm ?
hard to about 29degrees for short periods of time pretty cold hardy if you ask me

ArchAngeL01
05-19-2009, 04:24 PM
im scared to risk it afterall it did take many years to find it! ill post a pic brb

ArchAngeL01
05-19-2009, 04:32 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17529&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17529&ppuser=4948) see!! he's pretty big:woohoonaner:

just j
05-19-2009, 06:30 PM
where u looking for a green one or silver because the one u have picture is a green one it wont turn silver with age the silver type starts out kind of a purplish color and turns silver around 2-3 years old when it starts putting out full leaves or fonds

ArchAngeL01
05-19-2009, 06:49 PM
it is a silver/blue one the liting is bad here but you can tell a little more about this pic http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17530&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17530)

just j
05-19-2009, 07:10 PM
its a green one for sure the silver on it is just that powder if u tke your finger and rub on it that will rub off

just j
05-19-2009, 07:15 PM
this is a young silver bismarck the brown on the edges is from freezing this tree froze pretty hard about 28 degrees over night but didnt hurt it that bad just turned the tips alittle redish color

ArchAngeL01
05-19-2009, 07:33 PM
it does http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3172/2785317276_ca5dbccdcd.jpg?v=0 heres a green one and anuther Bismarckia nobilis - Bismarck Palm (Green Form) : Grows on You (http://www.growsonyou.com/photo/slideshow/47500-bismarckia-nobilis-bismarck-palm-green-form/plant/Bismarckia_nobilis)

just j
05-19-2009, 07:57 PM
your is young yet it will have a darker color and the ones in that picture have been out side in full sun many years thats why there real light colored green heres a picture of a adult silver

ArchAngeL01
05-19-2009, 08:02 PM
what about the stems on the green form? there exstreamly silver on mine ,are they silver on the green form? heres a pic of mine in lite http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17538&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17538&ppuser=4948)

just j
05-19-2009, 08:40 PM
that is 100% green form of bismarckia a very nice looking one at that

ArchAngeL01
05-19-2009, 09:08 PM
:(

saltydad
05-20-2009, 02:20 AM
John- re your 'rant'. Not sure what your point is. We shouldn't push zones on our fav trop and semi-trop plants? I have always wondered how they originally came up with the -20F figure for Needle palms; must have been someone way past zone 6 who noted this. Now if you are saying to plant a palm and then not try to provide winter protection, I agree. That's treating it as an annual, a very expensive annual, and I hate to see a palm sacrificed in this way. But I see nothing wrong with us zone-pushers trying to get some of our favorite plants to survive and, nay indeed flourish in our cooler areas. Just my little rant reply. :ha:

bepah
05-20-2009, 10:24 AM
John- re your 'rant'. Not sure what your point is. We shouldn't push zones on our fav trop and semi-trop plants? I have always wondered how they originally came up with the -20F figure for Needle palms; must have been someone way past zone 6 who noted this. Now if you are saying to plant a palm and then not try to provide winter protection, I agree. That's treating it as an annual, a very expensive annual, I hate to see a palm sacrificed in this way. But I see nothing wrong with us zone-pushers trying to get some of our favorite plants to survive and, nay indeed flourish in our cooler areas. Just my little rant reply. :ha:

Howard,

My rant was to elicit replies (of course, I knew they would come). It is amazing to me how far we may push zones to get the tropical look. I am lucky. I live in an area where most things grow. Winters are too cold, however, for tropical plants, and yet I push 1 (and only 1) zone for some plants that may make it. They have to be placed in areas that do not get the
brunt of the cold and wind. I see how the effort to preserve bananas in colder areas that many folks (including you) live in and am again amazed on the amount of work you do. But when it comes to extreme pushing, ir just becomes silly.

For example, the recent discussion regarding the Bismarckia nobilis. This is a very large palm that throws a deep taproot and grows very fast. It prefers hot dry weather. It is marginal here because of the winters which get into the mid-to high 20s on occasion. The Bismarckia cannot thrive in a pot.

Transplant shock for it is extremely hard on it and many die as the roots are extremely sensitive. It will be stunted and struggle and eventually die and never ever look good. Any zone lower than 9a is truly not appropriate during summer as well as it requires heat for growth.

The Lipstick Palm (we cannot grow this in CA anywhere) is as doomed as doomed can be. High humidity and warm temps (never ever under 50 and only for a short time). Indoors will kill it as it too dry and usually too dark. If one is available, it would be aseedling and be expensive. It travels poorly as well.

There are some substitutes of course, but both you and I know it is not the same.

To have plants that cannot survive (as opposed to may survive) is a waste of time and money and all that remains are bad memories.

Tog Tan
05-20-2009, 10:30 AM
To have plants that cannot survive (as opposed to may survive) is a waste of time and money and all that remains are bad memories.

John, tell me about it! I had enough of trying to keep the Slipper Orchids, Paphiopedilum, alive even though they are from my region. Ah, yes, had a hand in Tulips too. Really bad memories...:waving:

just j
05-20-2009, 04:47 PM
Howard,

My rant was to elicit replies (of course, I knew they would come). It is amazing to me how far we may push zones to get the tropical look. I am lucky. I live in an area where most things grow. Winters are too cold, however, for tropical plants, and yet I push 1 (and only 1) zone for some plants that may make it. They have to be placed in areas that do not get the
brunt of the cold and wind. I see how the effort to preserve bananas in colder areas that many folks (including you) live in and am again amazed on the amount of work you do. But when it comes to extreme pushing, ir just becomes silly.

For example, the recent discussion regarding the Bismarckia nobilis. This is a very large palm that throws a deep taproot and grows very fast. It prefers hot dry weather. It is marginal here because of the winters which get into the mid-to high 20s on occasion. The Bismarckia cannot thrive in a pot.

Transplant shock for it is extremely hard on it and many die as the roots are extremely sensitive. It will be stunted and struggle and eventually die and never ever look good. Any zone lower than 9a is truly not appropriate during summer as well as it requires heat for growth.

The Lipstick Palm (we cannot grow this in CA anywhere) is as doomed as doomed can be. High humidity and warm temps (never ever under 50 and only for a short time). Indoors will kill it as it too dry and usually too dark. If one is available, it would be aseedling and be expensive. It travels poorly as well.

There are some substitutes of course, but both you and I know it is not the same.

To have plants that cannot survive (as opposed to may survive) is a waste of time and money and all that remains are bad memories.

dont get me started! u just worry about your money and ill worry about how i spend mine. i only have good memories about the plants in my gardens and it really feels good after all the hard work when friends and family come sit on the deck and have a cocktail around a water fall and all my tropical plants and all ppl can say "boy this looks nice i feel like im on vacation in the tropics" thats worth all the hard work in the world for someone that enjoys it but u are right about the tap root and hard to trans plant a bismarckia but they can grow in a pot and it could take 15 years for it to die so when it does just go buy a new one for 15 bucks and start over if theres a will theres a way and im gonna push zone 4-5 to the max i have been doing it for years and had get sucess with all my plants some wont fruit for me but they look damn good in my gardens this picture is of a bismarck that the pot is sitting on concret with no roots busting out it over 9 feet tall and looks nice huh

saltydad
05-20-2009, 06:23 PM
Hey Just J, I have no problem with having palms, such as your beautiful Bismarck) that are outside during the season then moved into the house for the winter. My living room,and basement are crammed full each fall to spring with just such plants. I do agree with John, however, about trying to keep these plants that are many zones away from home outside during the winter, no matter what protection we try. I wouldn't dare try to plant a Bismarck, a Queen, or a date palm in my yard at then hope that my mulching, wrapping, etc. will get them through the winter. It's just not fair to the plant. You seem to have success with your indoor/outdoor methods, and I agree they look great.

lorax
05-20-2009, 06:27 PM
On a completely different note, I really appreciate having somewhere to talk palms with another tropical-dweller. I can grow a lot of things that you guys can't even zone-push, and it's great to be able to compare that to those of you fighting the cold.

saltydad
05-20-2009, 06:52 PM
We cold dwellers love to hear about the palm experiences of those like you and Tog. Love living vicariously!

ArchAngeL01
05-20-2009, 09:34 PM
ok i never said i did extreme pushing of zones i only do one zone lower maybe BUT they can do what makes them happy and it dosent bother me if they try to be happy i want them to be

southlatropical
05-20-2009, 09:50 PM
Hey people, I am sure many of you out there are palm crazy too, maybe as crazy or worse off than me! It was my first obsession before I went bananas....


That's funny, I first became interested in bananas and now I am more focused on palms. Now that I have most of the palms I want to grow, I'm looking into adding more cycads. Here is a list of what I'm growing now. The z10 palms are in pots.

Arenga englari - 'Dwarf Sugar Palm'
Burretiokentia hapala
Butia capitata - 'Pindo Palm'
(Butia X Jubaea) x Butia
Butia X Syagrus - 'Mule Palm'
Ceratozamia latifolia
Chamaedorea cataractarum - 'cat palm'
Chamaedorea metallica - 'metallic palm'
Chamaedorea microspadix - 'hardy bamboo palm'
Chamaedorea oblongata
Chamaedorea radicalis - 'radicalis palm'
Chamaedorea tepejilote
Chamaedorea glaucifolia - 'Glaucous Parlour Palm'
Chamaerops humilis var 'Cerifera'
Cycas revoluta - 'sago palm'
Cycas taitungensis
Cycas taitungensis x guizhouensis
Dypsis decipiens - 'Manambe Palm'
Dypsis leptocheilos - 'Redneck palm'
Encephalartos ferox
Encephalartos natalensis
Laccospadix australasica - 'Atherton Palm'
Livistona NOID
Livistona australis - 'Australian fan palm'
Livistona chinensis - 'Chinese fan palm'
(Jubaea x Butia) x Butia
Macrozamia johnsonii
Macrozamia miquelii
Phoenix canariensis - 'Canary Island Date Palm'
Phoenix roebelenii - 'pygmy date palm'
Phoenix rupicola - 'cliff date palm'
Phoenix sylvestris - 'Silver date palm'
Phoenix theophrasti - 'Cretan Date Palm'
Pseudophoenix sargentii - 'Buccaneer Palm'
Ravenea rivularis - 'Majesty palm'
Rhapis excelsa - 'Lady Palm'
Rhapis multifida - 'Slender Lady Palm'
Sabal maritima - 'Bull Thatch Palm'
Sabal sp 'Riverside'
Sabal palmetto - 'Cabbage palm'
Syagrus sp - 'Silver Queen'
Syagrus romanzoffiana - 'Queen palm'
Trachycarpus latisectus - 'Windamere Palm'
Trachycarpus wagnerianus
Washingtonia filifera - 'California fan palm'
Zamia floridana

ArchAngeL01
05-21-2009, 02:55 AM
any ideas on protection of the bismark? chikin wire? pine needles....plastic? helpp...

proletariatcsp
05-23-2009, 12:42 AM
Hey people, I am sure many of you out there are palm crazy too, maybe as crazy or worse off than me! It was my first obsession before I went bananas....
This post is for my two new palm-ists friends, Lil Rat and ArchAngel....

Hi Tog, that is a beautiful palm. Are the leaves from the pic only strap leaves? You can easily see that palm is quite different and already distinguishable from other species at such a small size.

You are right about palms growing in the moist/soggy areas next to streams, they do that here in Florida too. I often go looking for plants along streams and storm trenches. The other day I picked up a few palm seedlings and I was very surprised to see a King palm grown to 20ft with its trunk completely submerged in the stream. I got a queen palm for sure, and three other seedlings that are King palms (I hope) or fan palm. It will be fun to see what they turn out to be regardless.

Thanks for the post.

Chris in FL

ron_mcb
05-23-2009, 04:08 PM
i use to live in zone 6 ,zone 6=rotten palm tree :( the leaves on my trachycarpus stayed green but the bud rotted everytime i replaced it ............even a large one :( and the pindo palm stayed green but it's bud was fried ...good thing i moved to the beach !!!!!:D :woohoonaner::woohoonaner:

hey arch angel i wasnt full of b.s. about the peroxide onto the rotted bud..i started a weekly thing where i added a cap full to each crown after spear pull. here is new growth from two of my pindos that got fried.see the small inital fronds?? they go back to normal after the first couple. i only use the 3% peroxide for this,nothing industrial strenth .

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17637&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17637)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17636&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17636)
try this trick immediately if you are ever faced with spear pull or bud rot again.. its cheaper than fungicide down the crown. its true some people dont have to do anything to get new fronds after bud rot if its not severe. this really helps and gives you peace of mind. *the last pic is my finger on the first new emerging spear since healing.

ArchAngeL01
05-26-2009, 02:13 AM
do butias normally have red leaf bases?

jack hagenaars
05-26-2009, 09:40 AM
no gree trunk..

Bob
05-26-2009, 09:41 AM
John since I just got back , let me respond to your "Rant". Couldn't agree more.....to an extent. I was in to palms way before bananas and of course my first attempts to grow cyrtostachys lakka from seed were doomed to failure. I've definitely killed enough plants of all kinds to consider myself a pretty good grower (does that make any sense?). I probably won't try to grow one of those again but still have several Chinese fan and Needle palms that are kept outside, a potted " Moroccan Blue" European Fan from grown a single leaf and now a bunch of Phoenix Date palm seedlings grown from seed germinated over the winter( Not bothering with Latin.) These will always be in pots . Also some recently discovered Sabal Tamaulupas seedlings that are reputedly "hardy" but too young to sacrifice at the moment. I really believe all left outside except for maybe the Needle have only a matter of time before A) I decide to risk minimal protection due to large size and lose them, B) an unusually cold winter kills them or C) I decide they're an annual and let them fend for themselves. Then again ,,,what if they live?
Still all left being "bad memories" ....no way, it's kind of nice coming home on a hot summer day surrounded by my non barking "pets" and taking a dip in my little blow up pool surrounded miniature tropical jungle come July. Lots of people plant annuals knowing full well their impending demise.......bigger idiots just use palms and bananas........ I have a lot of company anyway.

jack hagenaars
05-26-2009, 09:45 AM
Another wonderfu palm that i grow iis a feather palm called Chamadorea Microspadex....or the bamboo palm....it gros in clumps to about 10ft tall...takes about -7C...it is a bright shade plant....

lorax
05-26-2009, 10:08 AM
I see your palms, and raise you Loja central square, replete with Phoenix canariensis....

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o232/lifted_lorax/Loja/DSCN4554.jpg

....and the Upper Amazon Basin.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh196/HabloPorArboles/Better%20Know%20A%20Biome/BiomeAmazonBasin.jpg

Dalmatiansoap
05-26-2009, 11:48 AM
I have just recived some fresh seed of tropical palms from Malaysia :) !
Will keep U updated on germination!!
:woohoonaner:

bepah
05-26-2009, 10:12 PM
John since I just got back , let me respond to your "Rant". Couldn't agree more.....to an extent. I was in to palms way before bananas and of course my first attempts to grow cyrtostachys lakka from seed were doomed to failure. I've definitely killed enough plants of all kinds to consider myself a pretty good grower (does that make any sense?). I probably won't try to grow one of those again but still have several Chinese fan and Needle palms that are kept outside, a potted " Moroccan Blue" European Fan from grown a single leaf and now a bunch of Phoenix Date palm seedlings grown from seed germinated over the winter( Not bothering with Latin.) These will always be in pots . Also some recently discovered Sabal Tamaulupas seedlings that are reputedly "hardy" but too young to sacrifice at the moment. I really believe all left outside except for maybe the Needle have only a matter of time before A) I decide to risk minimal protection due to large size and lose them, B) an unusually cold winter kills them or C) I decide they're an annual and let them fend for themselves. Then again ,,,what if they live?
Still all left being "bad memories" ....no way, it's kind of nice coming home on a hot summer day surrounded by my non barking "pets" and taking a dip in my little blow up pool surrounded miniature tropical jungle come July. Lots of people plant annuals knowing full well their impending demise.......bigger idiots just use palms and bananas........ I have a lot of company anyway.

Bob,

Admittedly, I push a zone at times,...we all do. My problem with the discussion and ultimately my rant, was the number of zones being pushed for bananas which is much more easily done than pushing palms.

Bananas are more portable, as we see each winter as the corms are dug, put in the garage, basement, or treasured corner. Palms cannot be dug out, eventually they get too large to be moved inside, hence my problem. Palms cannot be treated the same way. I would love to be able to have a lipstick palm or watch a pigefetta grow 10 feet in a year.....but it is easier to move me than move the palms.

All of the artificial ways to keep tropical palms really cheats them in achieving their potential. Your selection of palms is great for your area. A needle palm grown to maturity can be pretty spectacular, if you are willing to wait. Which brings up another major difference in palms. From year to year, growth is sometimes indistinguishable. Bananas change every week.....the only other 'tropical' looking plant that grows faster is bamboo...which opens up another can of worms.

BTW, I have palms, bananas, and bamboo.....I am sick.....

ArchAngeL01
05-26-2009, 11:59 PM
here is the butia ......is it usual?:2717:

ron_mcb
05-27-2009, 07:37 PM
i know a lot of people with pindos and i have 5 and i have never seen bright red at the base like that..not on the ones ive seen growing here.i have only seen the boots range from green to brown with a reddish hue,but never lipstick red. is it potted?

ArchAngeL01
05-27-2009, 09:47 PM
yeah it's potted in a clay pot ,can that make a difference in things?

saltydad
05-27-2009, 10:21 PM
My Butia eriospatha did not have reddish boots.

ron_mcb
05-31-2009, 11:30 AM
yeah it's potted in a clay pot ,can that make a difference in things?

i dont know for certain if the clay pot is causing the unusual pigmentation in your palm boot.

i know clay pots are different from most other pots because of the way they draw salts and certan minerals to their inner surface and retain them.

it could be a factor. it may be something else causing it. :bananas_b

ArchAngeL01
05-31-2009, 10:06 PM
hey mcb , my ice cream pup is got a new leaf but no spear down inside ,it looks hallow.....is it ok? :\ :/ hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i just potted that palm up in the clay ,it was in plastic ,so it couldnt be the pot. i geuss i just got lucky!! i love the unusual red in the bases .:bananas_b:2722:

ron_mcb
06-01-2009, 08:12 PM
probably just some weird occurence, yeah u probably lucky....im sure everything is fine.

ArchAngeL01
06-01-2009, 10:11 PM
im moving on wednesday!!! i can't wait to get those naners and palms in the ground, i saw three BIGG icecreams in a neighbors yard yesterday im so excited !! the hoa says i can plant anything i want ,there not that strict THANK GOD ,im stupmd on which palm to plant on each side of the garage driveway , id like washingtonias but im afraid they will get too big and dump on the house during a hurricane or whatever ,i know palms are great in storms but should i risk it? thanx mcb how are you by the way?

austinl01
06-01-2009, 10:30 PM
I just planted four waggies (T. wagnerianus) today that I grew from seed in 2004. They were nice 2 gallon plants. I just love the look of waggies. Here's my palm collection in my small yard:

8 T. wagnerianus (2 ft)
3 T. fortunei (7 ft)
3 S. repens (3 gallon plants)
1 W. robusta (9 ft)
1 B. capitata (6 ft)
Numerous S. louisianas (flowering)
S. minor 'McCurtain'
Numerous Sagos

You can see my palms at: Pictures by austinl01 - Photobucket (http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/?mediafilter=images)
Just click the links on the left

ron_mcb
06-02-2009, 10:45 AM
y do i have zer welcomes ? :(:(:(:(:(:(:'(

welcomes count the number of times you welcome new guests..dont be offended:ha:
its not a good idea to have any tree with a shallow root system. a tree with nuts,or big fruit on it near your house during huricane season.. my aunt has a coconut tree and she has them removed before a hurricane but the tree has never been uprooted. it would look coool but its a gamble

ArchAngeL01
06-02-2009, 02:08 PM
Good to know :D i was wandering about that coz everyone is so nice in this site :D ................................................................ ..............................................
:nanadrink:
giant dioon is giant now YAY!

Tog Tan
06-04-2009, 07:18 AM
Ok, I am back! I was tracking in some of my old haunts lately and I was pretty shocked that one of them have been pretty looted for the timber there. I normally make periodic visits to some of the more interesting sites to record the growth of certain species in the wild. This particular one has a musa species of which I have been monitoring and I wanted some pix for the Bananas Quarterly#2.

When I got to the higher spot which was about 300ft up, quite a number of the big trees were gone and those people even had the guts to slide the trunks down the slope to be collected on the road at the bottom. This caused much of the vegetation there to be totally destroyed. I can't say I wasn't pissed. I collected a couple of plants which were in harm's way. I just have to be very selective as I can't care so so many of them.

This place is one of the few sites of a relatively rare palm, the Pinanga glaucascens. This is a solitary growing species with bigger leaves and a variety which has the spotted markings. It, is a medium sized slow growing palm. If it germinates with the spotted markings, it will retain it throughout it's life. It is one of the most desirable palms from here.

I found this Pinanga glaucascens in the middle of a wet understorey area.
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17525><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17989 border=0></a>

A closer look at the rare spotted form of this already rare palm. It is a medium sized solitary growing palm species which is hardly known in cultivation.
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17989><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17990 border=0></a>

Palm heaven!
Wouldn't you like to hang out here? Just palms and more palms everywhere! This place has a great diversity of palm species but due to illegal logging activities, it may be gone in no time...
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17991&ppuser=3823><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17991&size=1 border=0></a>

Bob
06-04-2009, 09:20 AM
Welcome back old man! Pinanga glaucascens looks to be a beauty. The one in the picture looks to be a young plant so I am wondering if the leaves separate and become more pinnate as it matures.
personal note: Ive become a big fan of the Upmanns although I'm off them for a while till it gets cooler here.

Tog Tan
06-04-2009, 09:41 AM
Welcome back old man! Pinanga glaucascens looks to be a beauty. The one in the picture looks to be a young plant so I am wondering if the leaves separate and become more pinnate as it matures.
personal note: Ive become a big fan of the Upmanns although I'm off them for a while till it gets cooler here.

Important thing first; The next you should try is the Cuban version of the Uphmann's. They are the most refreshing med cgr I had. To me, its better than the much talked about Havana Cohiba!:ha:

The pix of the Pinanga glaucascens is considered a medium sized plant. They start the leaves bifid and then it goes pinnate later. There's a matured plant next to it but didn't get into the pix. Now I have 5 of them from this area. :ha:

Bob
06-04-2009, 09:49 AM
Wish I could get the Cubans! I tried the "Bankers series" although they did say bank of Havana on them. I doubt they were the real thing.
If you haven't tried "Stradivarius" you must do so. Take my word for it.

lorax
06-04-2009, 10:24 AM
You are both insane, you realize. Habana Cohiba are such stinky stogies. If you ever come down, I'll introduce you to Chamicos, which are much better.

Tog, how pinnate does the Pinanga go (par/impar, how many frondlets on avg?) I have something remarkably similar in my jungles, that never develops past about 5' of height.

Tog Tan
06-04-2009, 10:34 AM
You are both insane, you realize. Habana Cohiba are such stinky stogies. If you ever come down, I'll introduce you to Chamicos, which are much better.

Tog, how pinnate does the Pinanga go (par/impar, how many frondlets on avg?) I have something remarkably similar in my jungles, that never develops past about 5' of height.

Again important thing first; I am not a big fan of Habana Cohiba but it's so hyped up cos of the price. A Siglo V cost like $50 a pc at duty free. At retail another 4 times more. Anyway, as far as cgrs are concerned, as long as they are very strong and not smaller than a Toro, I am on it. That's why I am a big fan of Nicaraguan stuff. Absolute gangsters!:ha:

As far as the frond go, they get to about 6ft in length. I didn't bother to count the the frondlets on them though. What's similar to it in Ec? I have no idea? Name, pix, pls?

lorax
06-04-2009, 10:56 AM
I'm no fan of the Cohiba either (famous for being famous, and highly overrated) - but then again you know my preference in cigars is for the slimmer, stronger ones.

I'm back in the forests on Tuesday, so I'll get you photos of that one then. I tend to ignore them because they're such common understory plants. I suspect that they're Pinanga as well, just by habit and growth patterns, but I'll have an in-depth boo at my Useful Plants index and find out for sure. They're used here to make a coarse fibre for fishnets.

In other news, here's a pair of beauties.

Oenocarpus bataua (Hungurahua palm) is a tall-grower with a smooth trunk, spine-free walking roots, and pinnate foliage. When they fruit, they produce an oily little berry with a flavour similar to chocolate, and here the tree is also tapped to make palm wine (hence the scientific name). Hungurahua are important bush-tucker plants, and they're one of the few homes of the tiny green perikeets in the lower transitional forests. Since the trees are relative fast-growers, the wood is often used in construction.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17997&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17997)

Geonoma spp, another important timber palm. This one's just a wee baby - the mature trees are about 40' tall, and drop hard nuts on the heads of passersby (or perhaps that's the monkeys doing that.) The leaves are a reasonable source of thatching, and the nuts are used in the same way as Tagua.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17996&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17996)

Tog Tan
06-04-2009, 11:34 AM
Hey Beth, have to correct you on the Caryota mitis; the palm looks like some Geonoma to me. Btw, the Caryota's are only from this part of the world.

I like Geonoma's a lot and have quite a few species in my collection. I am still hoping to get sds from the one from Costa Rica, Geonoma epetiolata which is a dwarf with nice spotted leaves. I am sure Ec have quite a few undescribed species of the genus Geonoma and they should grow like weeds there.

lorax
06-04-2009, 12:28 PM
Thanks, Tog. Will fix that. I'll also keep an eye out for other dwf Geonoma while I'm out. Some parts of the forest are really palm rich, and in others I could walk for kliks without seeing a single one.

STERLING
06-04-2009, 02:27 PM
When we traveled to Bonaire i saw this awesome palm tree outside of our hotel room that was silver/white..The fronds were HUGE ...When we got home I did a little research and found out it was the infamous bismark palm....seems like there are a few of us that love this one!!!!! Here is that palm I fell in love with ...Gosh i miss that place

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18004&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18004)

close uphttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18005&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18005)

just j
06-04-2009, 03:04 PM
perfect looking bismarckia i want to move that would be the only trees i plant in my yard

bepah
06-05-2009, 08:30 AM
I'm no fan of the Cohiba either (famous for being famous, and highly overrated) - but then again you know my preference in cigars is for the slimmer, stronger ones.

I'm back in the forests on Tuesday, so I'll get you photos of that one then. I tend to ignore them because they're such common understory plants. I suspect that they're Pinanga as well, just by habit and growth patterns, but I'll have an in-depth boo at my Useful Plants index and find out for sure. They're used here to make a coarse fibre for fishnets.

In other news, here's a pair of beauties.

Oenocarpus bataua (Hungurahua palm) is a tall-grower with a smooth trunk, spine-free walking roots, and pinnate foliage. When they fruit, they produce an oily little berry with a flavour similar to chocolate, and here the tree is also tapped to make palm wine (hence the scientific name). Hungurahua are important bush-tucker plants, and they're one of the few homes of the tiny green perikeets in the lower transitional forests. Since the trees are relative fast-growers, the wood is often used in construction.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17997&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17997)

Geonoma spp, another important timber palm. This one's just a wee baby - the mature trees are about 40' tall, and drop hard nuts on the heads of passersby (or perhaps that's the monkeys doing that.) The leaves are a reasonable source of thatching, and the nuts are used in the same way as Tagua.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17996&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17996)

Beth,

I m interested in getting some seeds or seedlings of the Oenocarpus bataua. Do you have sources?

Thanks,

John

Tog Tan
06-05-2009, 08:34 AM
Beth,

I m interested in getting some seeds or seedlings of the Oenocarpus bataua. Do you have sources?

Thanks,

John

John, in case Beth can't send any out due to Ec's restrictions, rarepalmseed.com have it every now and then.

lorax
06-05-2009, 09:07 AM
John, my source would be to find one in fruit and munch out on it, then save the seeds. However, I can't currently export anything over 20g, and that's less than the weight of one fresh seed. I'll keep you posted, though, if I can get my export licence. The Ministry of the Environment is such a gigantic beauracracy, though, that I'm doubtful of it happening any time soon.... Fingers crossed!

Tog Tan
06-05-2009, 02:26 PM
Bismarkia nobilis var Silver Germination

Since there's so much talk about this palm, here's a pix for thought...
I picked up a couple of the sds from the ground near a matured plant. Removed the pulp and soaked it for 5 days. Dumped them into a shallow pot with some left over recycled soil and voila! They germinated in slightly over a month. I left them like this for 2wks before bagging them.
Lookit them wormy tap roots! :ha::ha::ha:
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17521><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18031 border=0></a>

Dalmatiansoap
06-05-2009, 04:08 PM
Thats baby I would like to prune! :)
:woohoonaner:

ArchAngeL01
06-06-2009, 10:18 PM
i planted my red leaf based pindo in the ground today along with the sylvestris, im fixin to get the naners in and a few more palms . good luck lil guys!!! :woohoonaner:

musaboru
06-13-2009, 01:34 AM
Here are some very bad pics I took of some very gigantic Washingtonias in Los Angeles (under June Gloom).
http://i39.tinypic.com/10hvngj.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/ix6trb.jpg

And this is probably as exotic as it gets here in regards to city plantings here in So Cal, Triangle palm. (Santa Monica)
http://i43.tinypic.com/5dwidl.jpg

lorax
06-13-2009, 10:55 AM
OK, Tog, as promised, here's the shorty Geonoma I was talking about, very similar to your little palms, and also some of the taller palms that are used for timber. These photos are all from Moravia, Pastaza province - it's a very moist and palm-rich area.

Iriartea deltoidea - Pambil Macho. This is a seedling; as they get older, they acquire double-fronding which makes them ideal thatching palms. The fruits are also edible, and since the tree is a fast grower it's also used as timber, primarily for the stilts that traditional homes are elevated upon...
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18308&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18308)

Geonoma spp - this is a timber palm also called Pambil.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18307&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18307)http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18306&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18306)

Geonoma spp - this is the smallest one, which we were talking about earlier, Tog. You have something incredibly similar in your forests.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18305&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18305)

Tog Tan
06-13-2009, 11:04 AM
Thanks for the pix Beth. I think the tiny one is the Geonoma longevaginata, I have a couple of them sprouted from 100+ sds. I also have a couple of the Iriartea deltoidea.

Pix #2 is interesting. Looks like it is still retaining it's juvenile bifid leaves. Very nice. Mucho Gracias!

Your streamside looks like home here!:ha: Do you get leeches especially in the rains? Big ones? We have the huge tiger striped buffalo leech here which gets a couple of inches long and fatter than the thumb when fed.

lorax
06-13-2009, 11:15 AM
Yeah, we get these 2-inch long fatties with yellow stripes, as well as the garden-variety little black ones. Whee! I didn't find any in that water, though; it's too fast-flowing. However, on that same hike I went in over my knee in the mud and came out with a couple of beauties.

Is your I. deltoidea developing mature fronds yet?

Tog Tan
06-13-2009, 11:24 AM
The Iriartea deltoidea starts fast from germination but is slow in growth. They are still very small.

Is that the matured leaf of the Pambil? Looks interesting. As far as I know, there aren't many Geonoma with matured bifid leaves. I can't ID it...

lorax
06-13-2009, 12:35 PM
That's a mature leaf for the Pambil Chico (the Geonoma) in my pic. My "Useful Plants" book tells me that since I found it in Pastaza, it's likely to be the endemic Geonoma triglochin or else I'm right off and it's Chamaeodora pauciflora. It's just a great deal taller than the Chamaeodoras I'm used to.

Mature Pambil Macho (I. deltoidea) look like the tree below (thank you to Pacsoa for the photos; the trees are usually so tall that you don't see this in the forest.)

Mature frond
http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Iriartea/deltoidea07.jpg

This is how they poke up above the canopy. But try to get far enough away from a set of woods here to get a photo like this! These people most likely used an airplane.
http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Iriartea/deltoidea.jpg

Patty in Wisc
06-17-2009, 07:42 PM
Thanks for those beautiful pics gang!
I have a Canary Island date palm & a washingtonia (I think) fan palm that I bought in TX 10 years ago. I also have 2 pygmy date palms & 2 sable's I grew from seed and a sago palm. I was into palms before citrus & nanas!
The first 2 are very healthy & BIG now..in 30 gal pots. They stay in sunroom winters & get carted out on deck for summer. Every 2-3 yrs, I root prune & they go back in same pots so that keeps the size down. The CIDP is 6ft high from soil & fronds are 5 ft long. I love my palms!
That big Bismark posted by Sterling made me drool.

ArchAngeL01
06-23-2009, 12:20 AM
please keep this thread going are friend tog tan that recently passed away started it because his love for palms i got pheonix reclinata and pheonix canariensis the last couple days. i love egyption palms like the reclinata,i also got a "palm" today but learned it wasnt a true palm ,it's a pananma hat palm related to the screwpine dangit it tricked me! lol its ok i like it

musaboru
06-23-2009, 04:03 AM
Phoenix palms are pretty awesome. But I often see the trunks butchered up so bad from trimming, it drives me crazy. Just leave it alone peeps!

ArchAngeL01
06-23-2009, 12:56 PM
your right i like the pheonix to have a 3:00 and 9:00 (like on a whatch ) cut, anything that has a higher trim looks like a stick with grass on top lol or a skimpy giant pineapple LOL:ha:

ArchAngeL01
07-06-2009, 03:41 PM
got a variegated sago palm yesterday very rare ................all mine (not a palm a cycad)

Jack Daw
07-06-2009, 03:59 PM
Talking about nice Phoenix palms... :D
PACSOA - Phoenix canariensis variegated (http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Phoenix/canariensisV.html)

Well, in 50 years or so, we will be subtropic too, so until then. ;)

ArchAngeL01
07-07-2009, 11:22 PM
i dont get it but anyway, i saw that b4 its so amazing

ArchAngeL01
07-07-2009, 11:23 PM
o i get it LOL!! sorry if im slow

Jack Daw
07-08-2009, 10:41 AM
o i get it LOL!! sorry if im slow
Not at all, it's that global whopal thing. :D
Yup, going for zone 9 in 75 years or so.

And current zones 9 to 10 or 11.
I just wander, what temps will there be in India when the time comes and the ices melt down completely (also the Antarctica)

lorax
07-08-2009, 10:43 AM
Arcangel, you got a Toquilla? Let me know how it grows for you - they're weeds for me.

ArchAngeL01
07-08-2009, 01:33 PM
i got a refund out of it i wanted my 5$ back LOL!!!

Jeff
07-19-2009, 01:10 AM
That's a mature leaf for the Pambil Chico (the Geonoma) in my pic. My "Useful Plants" book tells me that since I found it in Pastaza, it's likely to be the endemic Geonoma triglochin or else I'm right off and it's Chamaeodora pauciflora. It's just a great deal taller than the Chamaeodoras I'm used to.

Mature Pambil Macho (I. deltoidea) look like the tree below (thank you to Pacsoa for the photos; the trees are usually so tall that you don't see this in the forest.)

Mature frond
http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Iriartea/deltoidea07.jpg

This is how they poke up above the canopy. But try to get far enough away from a set of woods here to get a photo like this! These people most likely used an airplane.
http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Iriartea/deltoidea.jpg

I was reading this thread for the first time and came upon these photos and I thought to myself "how did my photos get here?". I originally posted these photos on PalmTalk.org a couple years ago and I forgot that PACSOA had contacted me for permission to use them. I photographed these near the Arenal Volcano in Costa Rica in August 2007.

Lorax, I was actually standing on the ground when I took that photo of the tall one! It was right at the edge of the forest. That's the base of the volcano rising up behind it.

Eric
07-19-2009, 05:37 AM
Sweet palm! :lurk: BTW, I heard a man from either Tulsa or Enid Oklahoma had gathered palm seed in Texas, propogated them, & finally come up with an 8 foot palm hardy to Oklahoma. It'd be peanuts next to the palm below this post but, hey, gotta go for what ya can get sometimes :o.
Anyway, if anyone knows anything about that man & his new palm, please let me know.
Thanx :).

lorax
07-19-2009, 10:24 AM
That's awesome, Jeff - I. deltoides is hardly ever out in the open here in Ecuador, so the best I can normally do is to shoot directly up the trunks to get canopy photos, or barring that, climb a Ceiba and look out over the canopy to see if any have gotten that tall.

ArchAngeL01
07-23-2009, 03:12 PM
do u think this is a palmetto or a sabal minor <a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19769><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=19775 border=0></a>

lorax
07-23-2009, 03:17 PM
Sabal, for me.

ArchAngeL01
07-23-2009, 03:18 PM
yes but which one:2722:

lorax
07-23-2009, 03:41 PM
Maybe S. minor. It will be easier to ID it once it has a bit more stem.

TommyMacLuckie
08-02-2009, 09:34 AM
From what I see all the time that's a Sabal minor. But I've seen what I thought was a S. minor and it turned out to be a Cabbage palm. I've dug quite a few up thinking I was putting a minor in a cool area and then one day they started to get a trunk and then the trunk kept getting taller...

S. minor grows slower. S. palmetto (Cabbage) grows faster. But both are slow growers.

TommyMacLuckie
08-02-2009, 09:51 AM
Bismarckia nobilis. I have one. In the ground, it's quite young yet. A silver. I did some research on 'em. The silver ones are more cold hardy. Dude out in NV or AZ somewhere where it does get cold said he as 4 of them, in the ground, and they took down to 20 degrees just fine for 3 nights in a row.

The most common comparison I've read of Bismarckia is that if you can grown Washingtonia filifera you can grow Bismarckia.

At the zoo yesterday in New Orleans I saw several Bismarcks - all planted a little close together. What's up with that? Chinese fan, sago - always planted way too close together.

Saw Caryota...gigas or urens. Not quite sure. Nice fishtails though. And saw Washingtonia robusta. The canopies are much bigger in Louisiana than Florida because of being in dirt as opposed to sand.

And growing up through the live oaks were some extremely tall Chinese fans!

amazondk
08-04-2009, 03:32 AM
I was reading this thread for the first time and came upon these photos and I thought to myself "how did my photos get here?". I originally posted these photos on PalmTalk.org a couple years ago and I forgot that PACSOA had contacted me for permission to use them. I photographed these near the Arenal Volcano in Costa Rica in August 2007.

Lorax, I was actually standing on the ground when I took that photo of the tall one! It was right at the edge of the forest. That's the base of the volcano rising up behind it.


Hi Jeff,

I see you have gone bananas. I few years ago I was looking at a site for a wood products importer, decking, and in their forestry picture low and behold was a picture of a giant tabebuia serratafolia, ipe, tree that I had taken and posted on the Garden Web porches and deck forum. There really was no problem as I donīt mind if people use pictures I post anyway. I sent a note to the owner of the company and he thanked me for the picture, after the fact.

There is some good stuff on this banana site.

I had my camera with me the other while driving around town and stopped and took this picture of some Mauritia flexuosas close to my office and thought your would like it. How are your baby Mauritias doing? It was getting late in the afternoon and th light was good. Also, while driving about town I am looking a bananas more now. There are a lot of bananas growing in odd spots all over the place.

dk

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/amazondk/Palm%20Talk/Buritipiorini.jpg

amazondk
08-04-2009, 06:12 AM
It is great to see peoples palms. I love to look at them.

Here are a few of mine.

One of my two little Bismarkia

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/amazondk/Palm%20Talk/Bsimarkia.jpg

A little C. renda

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/amazondk/Palm%20Talk/IMG_1035.jpg

A little Oenocarpus minor

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/amazondk/Palm%20Talk/bacabainha.jpg

A little Oenocrapus bacaba that is naturally growing in the secondary forest on my land.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/amazondk/Palm%20Talk/bacabajuly19.jpg

A young Bactris gasipaes.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/amazondk/Palm%20Talk/Pupunheira1.jpg

A Pritchardia pacifica

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/amazondk/Palm%20Talk/Ppacifica.jpg

A little African oil palm

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/amazondk/Palm%20Talk/IMG_1030.jpg

And, my little Acrocomia that was pulled up at a community in the interior named for this palm, Mucaja, for me.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/amazondk/Palm%20Talk/IMG_1063-1.jpg

southlatropical
08-04-2009, 09:18 AM
If only I could grow some of those here. The bismarkias are being planted around here, but our winters get just a little too cold sometimes. I have seen them fried by 24F. The most exotic palm I have growing here is Dypsis decipiens. It is faster than I expected but still small from a strap leaf seedling. Here is some of what I'm growing here in S. Louisiana.

Mule Palm
I also have Butia x Jubaea, (Jubaea x Butia) x Butia, and (Butia x Jubaea) x Butia.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20424&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20424)

Chamaedorea microspadix
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20433&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20433)

Chamaedorea radicalis
I also have the trunking variety planted as double and triple, but it will be a couple more years before they can go in the ground.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20425&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20425)

Chamaedorea metallica
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20423&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20423)

Butia capitata
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20430&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20430)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20447&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20447)

southlatropical
08-04-2009, 09:53 AM
Livistona chinensis
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20442&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20442)

Here is the Dypsis decipiens exhibiting it's tendency to lay over as it grows. This plant was just a two strap leaf seedling last year. This is pretty fast growth for such a slow growing palm.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20441&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20441)

Rhapis multifida
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20440&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20440)

Laccospadix australasica
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20439&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20439)

Rhapis excelsa
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20438&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20438)

Chamaedorea glaucifolia triple
It will take some effort to protect this one during colder than normal winters. It is in a spot with great protection. Very little if any frost settles here.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=20437&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20437)

Dalmatiansoap
08-04-2009, 11:11 AM
Don and Isaak
that is very impresive!
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
08-04-2009, 12:07 PM
Don and Isaak
that is very impresive!
:woohoonaner:
Any pics of Makarska palms? I happen to know for sure that one very special palm called Phoenix theophrastii (http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Phoenix/theophrastii.html), which, if I recall correctly, one local woman claimed that it was one of the original, Mediterranean Phoenix palms and probably only Phoenix originating in Europe (Greece I think). Any more on that? Pics? ;)

amazondk
08-04-2009, 07:16 PM
Isaak,

Your palms look great. I donīt think that the species one can grow are as important as the garden one creates. Every place on the globe has itīs plus and minuses. My climate is very recetive to a tremendous variety of plant both native and exotic. But, it is still a challange to create a good garden. I have been planting small trees that in a few years will form a great framework for my garden. And, palms are a main component. As I began to notice the placeo of palms in the areas ecosystem the more impressed I have become.

I think all niches in the Amazonia ecosystems have palms. This is a very important part of the local ecosystem the seasonally flood palm groves of the Astrocaryum jauari, the Jauari palm. This spiney palm is a main food source for many fish including one of the main food sources in the region the fruit eating cousin of the piranha, the tambaqui. These trees grow on the opposite side of the Negro River from Manaus and are abundant on riversides throughout the region.

dk

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/amazondk/Palm%20Talk/Jauari4.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/amazondk/Palm%20Talk/Jauari3.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/amazondk/Palm%20Talk/Jauari1.jpg

Dalmatiansoap
05-01-2010, 03:34 AM
Any pics of Makarska palms?


http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/dalmatiansoap/AF027.jpg
:woohoonaner:

SoBe Musa
11-10-2010, 07:08 PM
Amazing thread so much information.!!Thank you Tog.!
[ .~
Livistona rotundifolia
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0926.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0922.jpg
Yellow Maypa Coconut
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0924.jpg
[B]Triangle Palm(from seed)
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1023.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0919.jpg
Livistona chinensis.
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0917.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0927.jpg

SoBe Musa
11-10-2010, 08:02 PM
outside:
Bismark Palm -Bismarkia Nobilus next to two Queen Palm!
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0987.jpg
Queen palm
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/QUEENNOV102510.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1029.jpg
Areca Palm, Butterfly Palm, Golden Cane Palm, Madagascar Palm
Dypsis lutescens
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0934.jpg

Pygmy Date Palm, Robellini Palm
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0994.jpg
Majestic Palm
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0916.jpg
Majestic(i'm not sure?)
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0993.jpg

Dalmatiansoap
11-11-2010, 07:07 AM
Bravo SoBe!
That are beautifull plants there under good supervision and care. Way to go!
:nanadrink:
How old is that Queen and Decarys?
:woohoonaner:

SoBe Musa
09-18-2011, 04:28 PM
Here we go Ante, pics are from different places and gardens,homes in Miami
Buccaneer Palm
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1005.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1003.jpg
Borassus madagascariensis
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0915.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0916-1.jpg
Fairchaild Tropical Garden
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1115.jpg

Dalmatiansoap
09-18-2011, 04:35 PM
SCREAM!!!
Now, how am I going to sleep now?
Its a sweet dream time after scenes like that.
Beautifull!
:nanadrink:

SoBe Musa
09-18-2011, 04:35 PM
Sargent's Cherry Palm
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1012.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1010-1.jpg
Copernicia Ekmanii
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1020-1.jpg

Copernicia Macroglossa
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1022.jpg
Salacca Magnifica (Arecaceae)
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1063.jpg

SoBe Musa
09-18-2011, 04:40 PM
Attalea Butyracea ~from Colombia & Venezuela
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0982-1.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0981-1.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1001.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1239.jpg

SoBe Musa
09-18-2011, 04:43 PM
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0995-1.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0996.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_0998.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1110.jpg

Jananas Bananas
09-18-2011, 04:47 PM
Oh my GOSH I love that Sargents Cherry Palm!!! :woohoonaner: I've got to do some Googling on that one. The variegation is SUPER!

Great pictures Emily!

Ante you need to wipe the drool off your chin! :ha:

~JaNan

SoBe Musa
09-18-2011, 04:49 PM
One of my favorite Satake Palm ;
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1776-1.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1778-1.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1779-1.jpg

Dalmatiansoap
09-18-2011, 04:50 PM
Im tvaing, im tvaing,...
Google Pseudophoenix Jan, it will be much easyer.

nannerfunboi
09-18-2011, 04:55 PM
sigh..lol im not sure how helpful it is for me
to check spots like this out..LOL
wow.. i agree that sargents cherry is super plant !!
also..wow.. i think im in love..that
salacca magnifica.. sigh :woohoonaner:
k guess im going to have to see if i could with
ALOT of work... grow it here in utah..
im guessing its pretty tropical.. sigh :(
thanks all..
super pics !!!!

Jananas Bananas
09-18-2011, 05:00 PM
:ha: I did that Ante, thanks! Not many variegated ones though. I guess this will be another "EXPENSIVE" quest for me (like I needed ANOTHER one!!!).

That is just amazing.

We have a lot of palms here around Austin, but I have never seen any variegated ones. I have seen a few variegated cycads though. I wonder if they would be true to seed? Do you know Ante?

~J

SoBe Musa
09-18-2011, 05:51 PM
Here is one more pic and the tag for info, as you can see even the trunk is variegated ,also it was the only palm in the Garden.
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1009.jpg
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz77/SoBe_Musa/IMG_1011.jpg

Jananas Bananas
09-18-2011, 05:57 PM
Emily you're KILLING me!!!!! :ha: That is just to beautiful for words. I am a nut over variegated plants (as if you couldn't tell). Yes, I am wiping the drool off MY chin! :waving:

~JaNan

Dalmatiansoap
09-19-2011, 06:17 AM
We have a lot of palms here around Austin, but I have never seen any variegated ones. I have seen a few variegated cycads though. I wonder if they would be true to seed? Do you know Ante?

~J

I dont know, depends on few facts.
You know what that means Jan? We are now waiting for Austin Palm pictures!!!
:nanadrink:
One big HoRRaY for all contributes in this thread so fare.
:woohoonaner:

Jananas Bananas
10-15-2011, 07:58 PM
OK Ante, I'll start taking some shots for you. Here is the first set I took today, but I have to tell you I don't know what kind they will be.

This one is squat growing, as wide as it is tall, and the fruit looked like small black grapes, or blueberries. A really cool looking tree. It is old and is one tree.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMG_20111015_144107.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMG_20111015_144117.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMG_20111015_144120.jpg

Maybe this little one is the same kind.

Here are the fruit I picked from it:

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/20111015029.jpg

~JaNan

Jananas Bananas
10-19-2011, 06:47 PM
Ante here are a couple when I was out today. I think these are all different kinds. Please tell me if you know what they are because I sure don't! :ha: I would guess Mexican Fan Palm or Washingtonia?

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0005.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0003.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0007.jpg

Here are the seeds. Really small for such a big tree!

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/20111019005.jpg

Here is a little guy not to far from the big one.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0002.jpg

Obviously they trim both the big and little one.

~JaNan

palmtree
10-19-2011, 11:41 PM
Great palm pics, especially those in Fairchild Tropical Gardens in Southern Florida! WOW!!

JaNan, The most recent palm pics of yours looks like a washingtonia filifera and below that is a european fan palm, and in the post below it, the palm looks like a sabal, but I dont know what kind of sabal, maybe S. mexicana.

Thanks for sharing everyone! I guess I'll have to find some pics of my palms to post on this thread! Not too many palms around the neighborhood outside all year long that arent in my backyard, but their are a few, so I'll try to post some pics of that too maybe!

Dalmatiansoap
10-20-2011, 05:49 AM
Great set of pictures Jan!
Thats what I was talking about:nanadrink:
The big one is W. Robusta and the small one is Chamaerops Humilis- European fan palm.
Germinate some Robusta seeds U collected and U will be surprised how fast they grow. Thats a "must have" palm in every garden:ha:
Second set of pics is Sabal palmetto palm and if U have some extra seeds.... :)

Jananas Bananas
10-29-2011, 05:25 PM
Here is a different type Ante. I always think these short squat ones that have been trimmed look like giant pineapples. What kind is this one?

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0074.jpg

Not sure what this skinnier one is either, the tiny one beside it is a Sago palm.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0072.jpg

Here are a couple of small ones that are planted at the Spanish Catholic church. I think they are the Mexican Fan Palm (Washingtonia Robusta)

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0065.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0062.jpg

I only grabbed four of the palmetto seeds, but I will try and get a few more to share! :)

~JaNan

Dalmatiansoap
10-29-2011, 05:55 PM
Thats Phoenix Canariensis, Canary Island Date Palm, second is Sabal Palmetto any UR right about Robustas.
:nanadrink:

Jananas Bananas
11-03-2011, 10:25 AM
OK Ante I have some more this morning. This first one I actually know believe it or not. It is Saw palmetto (Serenoa repens). You rarely see a trunk on this as it is under the ground. Anyway, I took some pictures of it for you. Didn't see any seeds on these. They grow all over in thick woods and are really a nuisance plant for farmers, though the seeds are used for many health benefits.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0106.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0107.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0108.jpg

More I don't know. This one is covered in fruit:

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0093.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0092.jpg

Thought this one was cute in a pot:

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0103.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0104.jpg

Don't know - I think this is a different one and it had fruit.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0095.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0094.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0097.jpg

Sorry for photo quality all these palm shots - now and the previous ones I have posted, are from my cell phone.

~JaNan

Jananas Bananas
11-10-2011, 06:40 AM
Blooming:

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0088.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0089.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0084.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0083.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0091.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0086.jpg

~JaNan

Dalmatiansoap
11-10-2011, 06:57 AM
Nice pics Janan. Keep an eye on that Silver Saw palmetto!
:woohoonaner:

Jananas Bananas
11-13-2011, 07:46 AM
Thanks Ante! Though you can't see the palm trees very well I love the way the sun flares turned out! :)

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0079.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n580/JaNan16/IMAG0082.jpg

~J

saltydad
11-13-2011, 02:20 PM
All my palms are inside except for the needles and trachys that stay out, except for my Butia. It grew well over the season, and doesn't fit the largest pot I have. HD didn't have anything bigger. I think I'll have to use a very large nursery pot; not the prettiest but it'll do.

KYpalmer
09-10-2012, 09:24 PM
Very nice. I myself love palms. Have a few pygmy's with trunks that are around 3-4 feet tall, a smaller pygmy with a trunk about 1 foot tall. I also raise Onayzah's and Hybrids from seed. LOVE PALMS, but want to get into bananas....just have to find the right time. I think in the spring I'll make my first banana purchase :-)