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Dalmatiansoap
04-28-2009, 12:21 PM
Hello European members, wake up!
Can we organise ourself a bit better in this thread. Please check in here so it will be easyer to contact among european members in ".org". And we can post links here about european "bananas" web sites, online sales, trades, forums etc.
At least what do You think about this.
:woohoonaner:

jmoore
04-28-2009, 12:37 PM
Here I am, I live in the UK :woohoonaner:

Patty in Wisc
04-28-2009, 02:42 PM
My grandparents came from Yugoslavia (Slovania?) but I guess that doesn't count :):)

Dalmatiansoap
04-28-2009, 03:18 PM
Haha Patty, Croatia also was part of what was Yugoslavia. We are related :ha::ha:
:woohoonaner:

Patty in Wisc
04-28-2009, 04:04 PM
C'mon over for some potica (poteetsa) bro!! :)

griphuz
04-29-2009, 05:59 AM
I'm from the Netherlands :)

Dalmatiansoap
04-29-2009, 06:09 AM
C'mon over for some potica (poteetsa) bro!! :)

Hey Patty, what is potica? Slovenian and Croatian are totally different languages :ha:
:woohoonaner:

Tobi
04-29-2009, 07:47 AM
I`m from Germany! :)

Patty in Wisc
04-29-2009, 05:51 PM
Ante, my grandma made bread dough, then spread & rolled it out thinly on a table. She spread a mix of melted butter, brown sugar, cinnamon, honey & either a egg to thicken or milk to thin, all over it. Then sprinkled shopped walnuts & golden raisins all over & then rolled it up & baked it - after letting it rise again.
Not sure how it's spelled but pronounced po teet' sa.

island cassie
04-29-2009, 07:38 PM
Hey - if and when I move back to the UK I will be sure to join. Good luck!

kaczercat
04-29-2009, 09:33 PM
I was born in Just north of Poland killingrad Russia, but i became Canadian.

saltydad
04-29-2009, 10:00 PM
Ante, my grandma made bread dough, then spread & rolled it out thinly on a table. She spread a mix of melted butter, brown sugar, cinnamon, honey & either a egg to thicken or milk to thin, all over it. Then sprinkled shopped walnuts & golden raisins all over & then rolled it up & baked it - after letting it rise again.
Not sure how it's spelled but pronounced po teet' sa.

Sounds like my Mom's strudel!!

YAKUZA
04-30-2009, 02:02 PM
im from belgium

YAKUZA
04-30-2009, 02:06 PM
question one. sombody heard of a red basjoo?
ho gots info for me?
What plants are good 2 plant in oudside in europe?

Patty in Wisc
04-30-2009, 03:48 PM
:woohoonaner: That looks just like it - in your gallery!
I will email my cousin to find where my grandparents grew up. She was there to visit.
They grew up 20 miles (I don't know killometers) away from each other & met in Gilbert, Minnesota (north east). Minn. has high population of Yugoslavians.
I think I'll go make some poteetsa now :ha:.

Kalabrian
05-01-2009, 04:26 AM
I am from Calabria, far south of Italy. It is a good idea to get in touch, also because to acquire plants from the Us is almost impossible.

I take the occasion to tell you I am looking for Ice Cream Banana, Cali Gold and Tx Star, if anybody in Europe should have pups I could buy them.

Blessings

Dalmatiansoap
05-01-2009, 06:13 AM
That was general idea to stay in touch couse of trades and info sharings. Most members on .org are from USA and they are too, too far away from us and about some other parts of world I dont even want to think about. I think that most difficult part of world for getting naners is our "old lady Europe".
Or we might been misorganisate? What do U think?
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
05-01-2009, 03:04 PM
Sir Jack sends his greetings from the Heart of the Europe, where the weather seems to be getting crazy this spring. Maximal temperature was 26°C for about 10 hours...

Anyways, I already (will) have some interesting naners, one promised to Kalabrian (and from Kalabrian ;) ), One promised to maesy (and 2 from him, this kind and exotic loving guy lives in Switzerland, wonderful country where people speak maaaaany languages almost since their early childhood), one reserved for Dalmatiansoap (Pahari Kela) sometime in autumn. At the moment, just a few small naners, but soon, the nana republic. :D With your little help that means...

An advice for my good friend Dalmatiansoap. Please, make a list with all the information about the European members. (nickname on .org, City, Country, Part of Europe)

for instance, I am:

Jack Daw, Bratislava, Slovakia, Central Europe

Excellent idea, btw... ;) We need to organize ouselves.

SteveW
05-01-2009, 05:17 PM
Hi I'm a Brit:nanadrink:



question one. sombody heard of a red basjoo?
ho gots info for me?
What plants are good 2 plant in oudside in europe?

Basjoo rubra,red stemmed cavendish,red basjoo they're all the same plant and totally tender as you'd expect from a cavendish.I've tried these a few times now and killed them all to date,and thats in a heated greenhouse!
Outside they don't stand a chance,unless you're in southern europe of course where the weathers much nicer:ha:

Jack Daw
05-02-2009, 02:23 AM
List moved to individual thread.

Dalmatiansoap
05-02-2009, 02:49 AM
Bravo Jack,
it is great that we have that list now.
I hope that it will get bigger soon!
Regards from Croatia.
:woohoonaner:

YAKUZA
05-02-2009, 10:24 AM
idd Jack Daw im from Belgium. you can delete the ? @ my name hehe.

i have a question 4 you all europeans.
im looking 4 info about a musa dajiao.

i dont find info about it.

it was new in my local exotic shop. owner of shop cant give info .
the importer said it grows faster then de basjoo end it is from china.

pleas help me out .

Jack Daw
05-02-2009, 10:36 AM
idd Jack Daw im from Belgium. you can delete the ? @ my name hehe.

i have a question 4 you all europeans.
im looking 4 info about a musa dajiao.

i dont find info about it.

it was new in my local exotic shop. owner of shop cant give info .
the importer said it grows faster then de basjoo end it is from china.

pleas help me out .
The question mark ("?") stands for the city, not the country ;) ...

Never heard of such banana. European dealers and traders tend to change the names of cultivars to make it sound better.
For instance, what I bought:
Musa Picolo - it turned out to be Musa 'Super Dwarf Cavendish'
Musa tropicana - Musa 'Dwarf Cavendish' (red flecks/spots on juveniles)
Musa Miska - Musa 'Dwarf Cavendish', however with strange blue like pigmentation, will post pics, when full color appears... (spots/flecks on juvenile were light blue)

and so on... I've already seen Musa chinensis , Musa basallica, Musa SuperGrow... not a big deal...
Probably a basjoo or sikkimensis, if he cant give you another info. :D

YAKUZA
05-02-2009, 10:57 AM
The city is Antwerp.

The only thing i found on the net when i google Dajiao

Major cultivars, genotype and areas of production, China

genome type ABB Dajiao
Cultivar : Zhongba Dajiao
Gaojiao Dajiao

no pics.

Jack Daw
05-02-2009, 11:09 AM
The city is Antwerp.

The only thing i found on the net when i google Dajiao

Major cultivars, genotype and areas of production, China

genome type ABB Dajiao
Cultivar : Zhongba Dajiao
Gaojiao Dajiao

no pics.
That's more than you actually need. :D It is triploid and probably will therefore have seedless fruits. I suggest you to go for it. There's this thing, that it will probably be not very immune to colds. Not talking about freezing, which is still in question.
Anyway, it's probably one of the classical cultivars. Most of those ABB group cultivars (if I remember well) are cooking bananas (see Musa 'Cardaba' probably :D ).
GO FOR IT :D

YAKUZA
05-02-2009, 11:54 AM
That's more than you actually need. :D It is triploid and probably will therefore have seedless fruits. I suggest you to go for it. There's this thing, that it will probably be not very immune to colds. Not talking about freezing, which is still in question.
Anyway, it's probably one of the classical cultivars. Most of those ABB group cultivars (if I remember well) are cooking bananas (see Musa 'Cardaba' probably :D ).
GO FOR IT :D

Wats a triploid?

Jack Daw
05-02-2009, 12:13 PM
Wats a triploid?
To illustrate: Mother and father give X and X/Y. The child is then born with a defect, whereas having XXX, XXY, XYY combinations. And therefore is sterile. Some bananas, like Musa basjoo have seeds in their fruit. They aren't sterile. However the commercial varieties are sterile, can you imagine eating all those seeds? And that's when the chromosomes start to count.
Look on the forum for more details about triploids... :D

Dalmatiansoap
05-02-2009, 12:27 PM
Wats a triploid?

Triploid in Croatian means -Go For It !!!:ha::ha:
:woohoonaner:

chong
05-02-2009, 08:53 PM
I am from Calabria, far south of Italy. It is a good idea to get in touch, also because to acquire plants from the Us is almost impossible.

I take the occasion to tell you I am looking for Ice Cream Banana, Cali Gold and Tx Star, if anybody in Europe should have pups I could buy them.

Blessings

What kind of restrictions are there for the importation of plants, specifically, banana plants from the US into Italy? Is it the shipping costs that's too high?

Grázie,

Chong

Jack Daw
05-03-2009, 01:31 AM
What kind of restrictions are there for the importation of plants, specifically, banana plants from the US into Italy? Is it the shipping costs that's too high?

Grázie,

Chong
Sorry not to wait for Calabrian, but I already know the answer. The hell there are restrictions. One of them is the customs in the USA (which require phytocertificates sometimes), the other is EU customs (which should be checking every package and in case of "dagerous uncertiphied content" immediately send it back). Needless to say, that the certipicates cost more, than the plants themselves.

I ordered Musa 'Pahari Kela' from Dr Parmar from India and they are already on their way. If it goes well, I will tell you the way, how to go by European lines, so that they don't check your cargo. However I don't know, what restrictions will there be from USA (Cali Gold, Texas Star...).

Other thing is, that the shops tend not to even answer on European e-mails, knowing that they won't be able to deliver. The prices for shipping are enormous (if the plant costs 20$, the shipping might even be up to 40$). The worst part is, that you never know ahead, how many days the shipping will take. There's usually quite a small chance of surviving the trip for the plants (even rhizomes).

And lastly... I have not heard of someone, who would like to ship Texas Star and California Gold to us. Not only, that these cultivars are quite rare all over the world and I said from my personal experience >> Nurseries don't communicate very much and for our (EU) requests there aren't any answers from the members, so we are forced to work with what we have...

Some problems for starters :D ;)

Dalmatiansoap
05-03-2009, 02:22 AM
I agree with U Jack in one part here. On other side I think they are afraid that US services will bother them for smuggling plants. Looks like they need permits for every plant they sell and report every transaction, no "gift" pacages there my friend.
That line about ignoring e-mails is almost 90% thrue. Sad but thrue.
And on the end of it there is a big lack of good will.
:woohoonaner:

Kalabrian
05-03-2009, 02:57 AM
Chong, as our friends say, unfortunately there are lots of problems.

Few weeks ago, while searching for a Blue Java, which is my dream to find it yet, I wrote to a nursery in the Usa which was said to delivery in Europe. They answered me that there would be no problem provided that I buy around 10000 plants! (five zeros, not joking). I am not criticizing them, they for sure have reasons to act this way. But the very fact they have reasons give you an idea of how much inconvenient can be such kind of shipping.

Of course this was an exagerated example. But in general it's very difficult. I just received a corm from a good friend in California and it was possible for me to receive it without many problems, but only because he was able to provide a phytosanitary certificate. I give thanks the corm arrived safe, but it was demoralizing to see how they work at the customs. I was calling them with no answers for days and after I compiled and sent them the forms, the day after they sent me again the void forms to compile because one office had not communicated with the other.

Moreover, for me here, with the dis-organization of Italian bureaus, I would not even know where to start to find out where and how to get such a sanitary inspection on my plants. They would drive me crazy for sure.

Just to give you an idea of how Italian institutions work: few years ago I was accused by two cops (who had personal problems with me for reasons nothing to do with laws) of selling certain books without license. I had the books in a suitcase and they were pretending that I was selling them in the streets. Since there were not two equal books and there were testimonies on my behalf, and I was denied a lawyer in the first instance, my lawyer which I was able to call later told me there would no problem in winning the case. However the case is still pending and the books are still in the police station AFTER 6 YEARS. Of course it can seem superficial to quote this example which concerns another institution. But this is an example of how things work in Italy when you come to bureaucracy.

Trust me my region in the far south of Italy is wonderful. A south European=north African landscape with wonderful climate and lot of crops all year round and many subtropical things you can grow, and lot of heartful people. But you better not enter a office.

Sorry for the many comments. However, Chong, if you have particular facilities for shipping, or know different ways, I would be very interested in TX Star if you are in our local variety. Let me know also through pm if you like.

Have a nice day!

Jack Daw
05-03-2009, 04:36 AM
I see the only way to do shipping to (and from) Europe as taking the plant personally. As ridiculous, as it sounds, thousands of Eucalyptus trees are transported this way from Australia a summer in North hemisphere. And as long as cultivars cannot be propagated by seeds, the only thing, that might not rise suspicion, is the root system...

Another way of doing this would also include samples for cloning, which can be small and kept in small boxes within the suitcases. But it would require someone one the other side to be able to clone them, if and when they survive.

So many problems, so little options. And I'm NOT going to buy the plants from German and Austrian shops (about 25€ to 30€, means 35-42$ a piece!, Siam Ruby costs 45€ that is apx 60$). I can't simply afford it and even if I could, I would have to think about it for a veeeeeery long while...

@ Kalabrian >> If it were in my country, the policemen would beat you up, you would report it to authorities, they would make a report, as soon as you leave the room discard it and you would come to the next beating for going to the station by those 2 cops. It's quite quick, will take 2 days at most, recovery another year... :D Last month, a Ferrari was stolen in Bratislava. THey haven't found it yet, even though there are 3 Ferraris in our region... :D What do you think about that? :D
I think the aspect of humanity in your bureucracy is better, but takes longer to apply. :D

Dalmatiansoap
05-03-2009, 04:53 AM
Come on guys, what are we talking about?
Drugs smuggling on something else?! It maybe is a bit complicate but isnt imposssible.
In good way and in bad way it takes two!!:bananas_b
Right?
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
05-03-2009, 05:10 AM
Come on guys, what are we talking about?
Drugs smuggling on something else?! It maybe is a bit complicate but isnt imposssible.
In good way and in bad way it takes two!!:bananas_b
Right?
:woohoonaner:
What I believe is that there already are all the major cultivars spread all over the Europe, some more, some less.
It is however a certain reluctancy of their owners to share. I've unfortunately come across this many times. Yes, there are exceptions such as Kalabrian and maesy, who are willing to give, but there are more of those people, who actually don't.
I had 8 offshots on my Musa 'Super Dwarf Cavendish' this spring. 3 of them I kept to hold the line, 3 went to people who wanted it (one from Austria, two from Slovakia) and the other 2 were gift to our Botanical Garden in Bratislava, because they had only Musa 'Dwarf Cavendish' and Giant version as well and I wanted them to complete the line of Giant, Dwarf, Super Dwarf.

I just wish the Europeans started to break the walls among them, but as it seems, that's rather impossible. There's too much in the history of many nations to start trusting each other and working together. At least that's how many people see it. And that's what I regret the most.

Dalmatiansoap
05-03-2009, 05:22 AM
U are right on this one!!:nanadrink:
:woohoonaner:

Kalabrian
05-03-2009, 12:37 PM
Jack, I understand what you report concerning institutions and bureacucracy in your country, and I agree that it can be worse than here. The point, however, is that Italy is accepted in the mind of the people, and boasts to be, a great democracy and one of the most advanced. Moreover, a major commercial partner of the Usa. In this the real inconsistency lies.

Best regards!

Jack Daw
05-03-2009, 12:43 PM
Jack, I understand what you report concerning institutions and bureacucracy in your country, and I agree that it can be worse than here. The point, however, is that Italy is accepted in the mind of the people, and boasts to be, a great democracy and one of the most advanced. Moreover, a major commercial partner of the Usa. In this the real inconsistency lies.

Best regards!
Yes, democracy, that's what we accepted when the Iron Curtain fell back in 1989... :D Shame it didn't arrive, we are wainting for our promised part even nowadays. :D
Italy has wonderful land and history longer than any of other European countries (Except for Greece, no argue from you I hope...). Actually, I've been thinking what to do after studies... I have always been attracted by South American culture and lifestyle, maybe Argentina or so... dunno. Somewhere I can grow whatever I want whenever I want and not be commanded by dumheads, such as our gov. :D ;) Europe has continually been losing it's charm for the last 100 years or so. :(

Anyways, Kalabrian, how tall are the Italian bananas? Seem about 4-5m. Is that right? What about the winds in your region. Strong or not strong?

Patrick
05-06-2009, 10:50 AM
Hello,

you're looking for European members. I'm living in the Netherlands and i've just signed in.

Looking for some great contacts.

Best regards,

Patrick

Jack Daw
05-06-2009, 11:04 AM
Hello,

you're looking for European members. I'm living in the Netherlands and i've just signed in.

Looking for some great contacts.

Best regards,

Patrick
Hi Patrick, what is you home city or hometown in Netherlands?

Tog Tan
05-06-2009, 11:14 AM
Hey Ante and gang. Maybe you guys should let Jarred know about this thread and make it a permanent forum so that all the newbies from Europe will sign in. In this way, they won't have to go through all the other threads to dig this one up. Maybe you can call it something like ; Bananas Discussion - Europe Section

Good job Ante for this idea. Only if we have enough people from my region to start a similar section on Bananas Growing in the Tropics and talk Pisang, Kluay and what nots!

Jack Daw
05-06-2009, 11:16 AM
Hey Ante and gang. Maybe you guys should let Jarred know about this thread and make it a permanent forum so that all the newbies from Europe will sign in. In this way, they won't have to go through all the other threads to dig this one up. Maybe you can call it something like ; Bananas Discussion - Europe Section

Good job Ante for this idea. Only if we have enough people from my region to start a similar section on Bananas Growing in the Tropics and talk Pisang, Kluay and what nots!
Interesting Idea, I can try...

Patrick
05-06-2009, 11:20 AM
Hi Patrick, what is you home city or hometown in Netherlands?

My hometown is Reuver in Limburg.

Dalmatiansoap
05-06-2009, 11:59 AM
Interesting Idea, I can try...

Bravo Jack!
Looks like your gonna be our moderator!
My vote goes for you!
:woohoonaner:

Dalmatiansoap
05-06-2009, 12:00 PM
Hello,

you're looking for European members. I'm living in the Netherlands and i've just signed in.

Looking for some great contacts.

Best regards,

Patrick

Welcome Patric,
glad U joined us.
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
05-06-2009, 12:30 PM
Bravo Jack!
Looks like your gonna be our moderator!
My vote goes for you!
:woohoonaner:
Nah, lot of work. :D I can be the list updater though... :D

Dalmatiansoap
05-10-2009, 02:22 AM
Temeratures are rising here. Looks like mine DC doesn like it. Leaves are starting to yellow. Im affraid of sunburns but I ll have to leave it in sun to get used to it.
:woohoonaner:

bikoro child
05-10-2009, 03:08 AM
Hi you all I'm soory i haven't see that thread before ..;I live in France and here are the main web nurseries from France:
A l'ombre des figuiers : Tous nos bananiers (http://www.alombredesfiguiers.com/bananiers/index_bananiers.htm)
Arbres et Arbustes pour climats mditerranens Semences B & T World Seeds (http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/f1.asp?title=Arbres+et+Arbustes+pour+climats+m%e9diterran%e9ens&list=190)
La maison du bananier, pépinère de plantes et arbres tropicaux ou exotiques, Nantes 44 (http://www.lamaisondubananier.com/index.php?UID=2009051010010890.11.29.22)
Sandeman Seeds (http://www.sandemanseeds.com/)
TropicaFlore (http://www.tropicaflore.com/boutique/enter.html)
good idea for that thread
regards

Jack Daw
05-10-2009, 03:09 AM
Temeratures are rising here. Looks like mine DC doesn like it. Leaves are starting to yellow. Im affraid of sunburns but I ll have to leave it in sun to get used to it.
:woohoonaner:
This summer has been so kind to Central Europe climate so far... although the winter was very long, it surprised everyone with its immediate leave early in April and almost instantenous coming of temperatures above 20°C (day) and 10°C (night).
Now, the spring has moved it's mood to another level. We'll soon hit 30°C (Ante, for comparison, weather in northern Croatia is almost the same as here, except of course, that we have less rains and a little bit hotter and drier climate in summer - reason is Danube Delta, but that's for a very long talk...)

So, this weekend, marvelous 28°C, with last rain 7 days ago and next one to come some time in 2 weeks or so... ;).

Now to your burned leaves... My Musa 'Super Dwarf Cavendish' are burned as well, but from the cold spell they survived about 2 weeks ago during the night (8°C - yes, they survived with just a little minor burn, I'd guess about 5 hours of intense cold spell).
So much to pushing its own limits, ey... :D

So far today: 28°C in day, 13°C (the lowest) in night...

Dalmatiansoap
05-10-2009, 03:12 AM
Hi you all I'm soory i haven't see that thread before ..;I live in France and here are the main web nurseries from France:
A l'ombre des figuiers : Tous nos bananiers (http://www.alombredesfiguiers.com/bananiers/index_bananiers.htm)
Arbres et Arbustes pour climats mditerranens Semences B & T World Seeds (http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/f1.asp?title=Arbres+et+Arbustes+pour+climats+m%e9diterran%e9ens&list=190)
La maison du bananier, pépinère de plantes et arbres tropicaux ou exotiques, Nantes 44 (http://www.lamaisondubananier.com/index.php?UID=2009051010010890.11.29.22)
Sandeman Seeds (http://www.sandemanseeds.com/)
TropicaFlore (http://www.tropicaflore.com/boutique/enter.html)
good idea for that thread
regards


Hi bikoro,
glad U join this thread.
Regards from Croatia
:woohoonaner:

Dalmatiansoap
05-10-2009, 03:17 AM
Jack,
night low 16,
7 am 21,
daily high to be 27-29,
low wind
thx to Adriatic see
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
05-10-2009, 03:38 AM
Jack,
night low 16,
7 am 21,
daily high to be 27-29,
low wind
thx to Adriatic see
:woohoonaner:
Yes, I know, Adratic sea. :D Do you know the motto of our travel agencies? If no, it goes like this: :D :D :D

Do you know where the Slovak sea is?
In Croatia, of course.

I also enclose a map showing where you (probably) are and my location. Funny, so distant places and quite a similar daily temperautures... :D And night sometimes, because the hotter it gets in the day, the hotter it remains for the night... ;) (A is you, B is me, no need to tell, right...)

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq201/Jackob_Daw/Map.jpg

Dalmatiansoap
05-10-2009, 04:16 AM
Nice motto.
My brother went to Slovakia four days ago and he is coming back today. Says that it was great trip.
We are little waried about tourist seson this year, every body is talking about that global crises but I hope that will go as usuall and that there is going to be a lot of Slovaks here. Have you been here?
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
05-10-2009, 05:03 AM
Nice motto.
Have you been here?
:woohoonaner:
I've been to Croatia many times, Makarska, Split, Vodice... lots of fun there.
Vodice were quite a hot climate actually but so cold water (6 days of cold water out of 10). If it had over 22°C, I'm going to eat my shoe (it was in July). Other than that, perfect. I liked the girls as well, but only then found out that many were from Hungary and Slovakia (just kidding, your girls are lovely to watch and talk to) :D ;)
The problem there generally is with the sea is, that if it rains too much one day, the water remains cold for another 3 days.

Here, in the southermost Slovakia, we have the drinking water level so low (7m), that after the gravel has been gathered (about 1 meter layer - Danube Delta), artificial lakes are created, large enough for you not to see the other side of the bank. And once they heat up, they stay hot (27°C) almost till september. That's why I'm not used to cold water.


Nice motto.
My brother went to Slovakia four days ago and he is coming back today. Says that it was great trip.
Our Slavic cultures are (fortunatelly) much alike, I believe that's the reason why we have little or no problems fitting in each other's communities, getting to know people and meet new friends quickly.
There are people here at my university, that are descendants of Slovaks living in the Croatia and Serbia (from the times when the Osman Emire conquered the Balcan region (sorry, but it is the only precise term, southern Europe was never invaded) and southern Central Europe and the "migration of nations" began).
They are fluent in Slovak and as I've been discussing the differences among our cultures, they said, it's pretty small, if any.
My personal experience with Russians, Croatians, Ukrainians... only confirms it...


Nice motto.
We are little waried about tourist seson this year, every body is talking about that global crises but I hope that will go as usuall and that there is going to be a lot of Slovaks here.
And finally, this year might be quite bad. Out of 1,5 million Slovaks that travel round the world in summer, about 1 million travel to Croatia. However, the crisis has been bad to our nation (and other, that I was able to see in Croatia during holiday). Germans, Czechs, Hungarians, Slovaks... many people have lost their jobs, the businesses have almost stopped and you can see, that people don't buy more, than they actually need (and sometimes even less, than they need).
I'm afraid, that there'll only be about 100 000 people (estimate of our ministry of work, social affairs...) travelling on their holiday abroad this year from Slovakia... most of the people will settle with their own possibilities (lakes in Slovakia, Balaton and other in Hungary, thousands of people will invade our mountains (Tatra and Carpathian mountain region)...).
As I've said already, the business has stopped and it's not likely to move, unless all the reserve materials, products etc have been depleted.

brydon1
05-10-2009, 09:30 AM
Hello fellow Europeans,

I am from Germany and my Husband is british but we both reside in the USA at the moment.

If we can be of any assistance contact us.

Little Rat

Jack Daw
05-10-2009, 09:33 AM
Hello fellow Europeans,

I am from Germany and my Husband is british but we both reside in the USA at the moment.

If we can be of any assistance contact us.

Little Rat
Nice to have you aboard pals, since in USA the plants are easier to obtain, we will probably have some smuggling missions for you.. :D ;) Just kiddin'
Welcome aboard!

brydon1
05-10-2009, 09:45 AM
Getting the sunglases, rain coat and hat ready for the first mission *lol*

Dalmatiansoap
05-10-2009, 02:05 PM
And finally, this year might be quite bad. Out of 1,5 million Slovaks that travel round the world in summer, about 1 million travel to Croatia. However, the crisis has been bad to our nation (and other, that I was able to see in Croatia during holiday). Germans, Czechs, Hungarians, Slovaks... many people have lost their jobs, the businesses have almost stopped and you can see, that people don't buy more, than they actually need (and sometimes even less, than they need).
I'm afraid, that there'll only be about 100 000 people (estimate of our ministry of work, social affairs...) travelling on their holiday abroad this year from Slovakia... most of the people will settle with their own possibilities (lakes in Slovakia, Balaton and other in Hungary, thousands of people will invade our mountains (Tatra and Carpathian mountain region)...).
As I've said already, the business has stopped and it's not likely to move, unless all the reserve materials, products etc have been depleted.

O, Jack
I dont belive is such black scenario. One way or other many Slovaks will get here. We are famous destination for last minute guests. Only thing that is going to be much different is lenght of vacations. There is going to be more 5-7 days shifts than usuals 7-10 days. At leest that is what it looks like now, we have had a more tourists from Easter till now than last year but they are staying shorter time.
If U decide to visit I can arrange U accomodation and special member discount in one of ours rentals in Baska Voda. :ha::ha::ha:
Regards

Dalmatiansoap
05-10-2009, 02:10 PM
Getting the sunglases, rain coat and hat ready for the first mission *lol*

Hehe, better go to nearest UPS office and get some boxes.:ha::ha::ha:

Dont mind me. Glad U joined us.
:woohoonaner:

YAKUZA
05-11-2009, 01:46 PM
hmmm importing nanas from south carolina mmmmmmmm nice:goteam:

YAKUZA
05-11-2009, 01:56 PM
a small question for european nana lovers
how long it takes for having some flowering in a mmmmm for example a basjoo,helens hybrid or a cavendish in a belgium,Germany,slovakian,... climate.
overwintering inside.the rest of the seazon outside

Patrick
05-11-2009, 02:08 PM
I had my Basjoo flowering after three years in the Netherlands. In my pictures you can see it. In the winter i've wrapped it with straw en the next summer it flowered.

YAKUZA
05-11-2009, 02:14 PM
pfff 3 years hahaha soooooo long

Patrick
05-11-2009, 02:19 PM
Is that long?

YAKUZA
05-11-2009, 02:21 PM
i have a red stern basjoo, ventricosum, cavendish, acumminata monkeyfinger, helens hybride. im from belgium. what 2 do
plant in garden in ... how you say it.... full soil or i leave it in a container end dig it in.
temperature winter tis year -19 degrees celcius

YAKUZA
05-11-2009, 02:22 PM
i mean 3 years waithing is long.
i what 2 c quiker result hehe im a dreamer

Patrick
05-11-2009, 02:27 PM
I thought you had it flower quicker. I have some in full soil and some in containers. I don't know what is better. The one flowering is standing in full soil. If you send me a PM we can talk in Netherlands?

Dalmatiansoap
05-11-2009, 02:27 PM
Well, you can allway sendt them to me here. It will be much warmer for them:ha::ha::ha:.

YAKUZA
05-11-2009, 02:32 PM
pm is verzonden

Jack Daw
05-11-2009, 02:36 PM
i have a red stern basjoo, ventricosum, cavendish, acumminata monkeyfinger, helens hybride. im from belgium. what 2 do
plant in garden in ... how you say it.... full soil or i leave it in a container end dig it in.
temperature winter tis year -19 degrees celcius
I thought that the Western Europe climate was much warmer in the winter thanks to the warm Gulf Stream. How could you have had -19°C? Is it really so? Wet winter or snowy winter?


i mean 3 years waithing is long.
i what 2 c quiker result hehe im a dreamer
Citruses take sometimes decades to start fruiting. Is it still so long?

I thought you had it flower quicker. I have some in full soil and some in containers. I don't know what is better. The one flowering is standing in full soil. If you send me a PM we can talk in Netherlands?
Container for Cavendish types, free soil for the hardier (basjoo, Orinoco, sikkimensis...)

Well, you can allway sendt them to me here. It will be much warmer for them:ha::ha::ha:.
What are your annual winter lowest tempeartures (for the past about 10 years or so)...?

a small question for european nana lovers
how long it takes for having some flowering in a mmmmm for example a basjoo,helens hybrid or a cavendish in a belgium,Germany,slovakian,... climate.
overwintering inside.the rest of the seazon outside
It depends, some flower earlier (Cavendishes), because I have them in the warm place for winter, some fruit later (basjoos in the soil...)
One more thing, it's Slovak, not Slovakian. ;) ...
Slovak climate would be:
Winter lowest 2009 >>> -13°C (about 1 night,then it gradually fell to -1°C)
Summer highest 2008 >>> 34,5°C

Patrick
05-11-2009, 02:44 PM
Last winter was terrible. Here in the Netherlands is was also around minus 20 degrees. It was a long time ago that it was so cold. Almost my whole collecting was destroyed. I've saved three Musa Sikkimensis. But i've seeded new ones.

YAKUZA
05-11-2009, 02:51 PM
I thought that the Western Europe climate was much warmer in the winter thanks to the warm Gulf Stream. How could you have had -19°C? Is it really so? Wet winter or snowy winter?



Citruses take sometimes decades to start fruiting. Is it still so long?


Container for Cavendish types, free soil for the hardier (basjoo, Orinoco, sikkimensis...)


What are your annual winter lowest tempeartures (for the past about 10 years or so)...?


It depends, some flower earlier (Cavendishes), because I have them in the warm place for winter, some fruit later (basjoos in the soil...)
One more thing, it's Slovak, not Slovakian. ;) ...
Slovak climate would be:
Winter lowest 2009 >>> -13°C (about 1 night,then it gradually fell to -1°C)
Summer highest 2008 >>> 34,5°C


lowest -19 but its coldest sinds 10 years
normaly max -10
summer i think 34

best 2 put not hardy in container? end dig it in for summer.
or alsow free soil en dig it up fot winter

Jack Daw
05-11-2009, 02:52 PM
Last winter was terrible. Here in the Netherlands is was also around minus 20 degrees. It was a long time ago that it was so cold. Almost my whole collecting was destroyed. I've saved three Musa Sikkimensis. But i've seeded new ones.
Sometimes it gets even to Slovakia (the temperatures in the Central Europe are quite low, but not that extreme in the lowland where I live). We have every winter from -7°C to -14°C, the winter of 2006 was extreme with -17°C. The most important thing is that the temperatures are constant during the whole winter, so we have always -8°C for example and than skip to -12°C for a few nights and back again... The average January temperature (coldest month) is about -2°C, which is quite good.

Jack Daw
05-11-2009, 02:54 PM
lowest -19 but its coldest sinds 10 years
normaly max -10
summer i think 34

best 2 put not hardy in container? end dig it in for summer.
or alsow free soil en dig it up fot winter
If you dig it in for summer, it might not be possible to give them back to the container, because they will make strong roots. Just give them large pot (75 litres and more) and they will grow nicely. In summer, you can keep them outside.

YAKUZA
05-11-2009, 02:57 PM
If you dig it in for summer, it might not be possible to give them back to the container, because they will make strong roots. Just give them large pot (75 litres and more) and they will grow nicely. In summer, you can keep them outside.

i mean, i leave nana in container but put the container in free soil, it looks nicer.
some usa members dig the plants up, clean roots en put hem dry end cold free no?

Dalmatiansoap
05-11-2009, 03:00 PM
This are approx. year temp. for my area of Makarska riviera (known by Jack).
This was coldest winter in several last years and we had 0 C for arround 7 day and one morning -3C. Blue lines are see temp. and red ones air temp.
Other pix shows temp. for several cityes on Adriatic coast. I belong to Split area.
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
05-11-2009, 03:47 PM
This are approx. year temp. for my area of Makarska riviera (known by Jack).
This was coldest winter in several last years and we had 0 C for arround 7 day and one morning -3C. Blue lines are see temp. and red ones air temp.
Other pix shows temp. for several cityes on Adriatic coast. I belong to Split area.
:woohoonaner:
Nice, so you hardly ever go below 0°C. Compared to that and after seeing the Koppen-Geiger maps (I believe the best climatic maps out there) I would guess, that you're almost the same winter temperatured region as Kalabrian here. You know guys, if I knew Italian or Croatian (Croatian shouldn't be that hard, since I already understand, when some speaks Croatian), I would move there.

Shame that the winter temperatures are so dull in my country. Howeer it has some positive issues along. Almost no flu streaks, no pandemics... because most of the bacteria is killed in heavier frosts and of course - skiing and ice skating.

Bananas don't seem to like the snow that much... Shame on them. What are the highest temperatures in your country boys (Emanuel and Ante)? About 37°C? More?

Dalmatiansoap
05-11-2009, 04:19 PM
Bananas don't seem to like the snow that much... Shame on them. What are the highest temperatures in your country boys (Emanuel and Ante)? About 37°C? More?

37-39 C. Ej Im in Csa zone in Koppen-geiger. Low temp. isnt problem here. Strong north wids are. Strongest here was 205km/h.
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
05-11-2009, 04:22 PM
37-39 C. Ej Im in Csa zone in Koppen-geiger. Low temp. isnt problem here. Strong north wids are. Strongest here was 205km/h.
:woohoonaner:
WTFFFFFFFF. 205km/h. Isn't that terribly close to huricanes and such menaces? We do get some terrible winds, but not more then 120km/hod (it took our pool's roof away, we had to cahse it on our garden... polycarbonate).

Kalabrian
05-11-2009, 04:39 PM
Hi Jack

With due respect, I do not think the location of our friend in Croatia is comparable to my area. If we talk of my specific condition, I can have some troubles sometimes with light frost because of the altitude of my location, but if we talk about the area in general... there is no game. It's not to be patriotic but because of evidence. I am below the 40th parallel and this means I am in the subtropics. Moreover, my region is between two seas, Tirreno and Ionio, both much warmer than the Adriatic. This latter in fact is not very deep. For this same reason in Italy on the Tirreno's side climatic zone 9 reaches until the north in Liguria, while on the Adriatic side it's only the southern part of the Peninsula which is considered warm to 9. If I have not been clear on this latter issue see the Koeppen map:

http://www.passiflora.it/Zone%20Climatiche/ZoneKoppen.jpg

I do not agree on many particulars of this map, but it gives a general idea and you can see the difference between the two sides.

Apart from this, in general in the coastal areas of my region there is no frost at all. This year which was a tough winter for many of us on the coasts here it never drop below 2-5 degrees depending on the areas. Of course there are exceptions but few.

As I was saying my situation is different. But when you think that at almost 600 m of altitude (which is quite a lot) I can easily grow citrus, bananas, cattley guava and avocado, you get an idea of the general climate of the area. In the valley they grow annonas and guava and along the coast they grow mango, litchi, ananas, babaco and pithaya.

I apologize for the moment of glory, no disrespect for nobody.

To answer your question on max temp, I have official datas for these locations:

- at the beginning of the valley (which means at the feet of my hill), at 362 m of height, absolute max in history are 38.3 in May, 43.2 in June, 44.3 in July, 43.0 August, 41 September and 34. 7 in October. Here almost every year the temp touches 40 degrees.
Consultazione banca dati storici (http://www.cfcalabria.it/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=41)

- in the plan which stretches from the hill to the coast, but some km away from the sea, 41.7 June, 42.7 July, 42.1 Ago, 37.1 Sept
Consultazione banca dati storici (http://www.cfcalabria.it/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=41)

- by the sea, 39.8 June, 40. 1 July, 42.4 Ago, 34.7 Sept
Consultazione banca dati storici (http://www.cfcalabria.it/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=41)

As you see the max temp are higher far from the sea, however in these same places also winter is cooler and it is there that frost occur when by the sea are unheard of.

Blessings to all

Jack Daw
05-11-2009, 04:45 PM
Hi Jack

With due respect, I do not think the location of our friend in Croatia is comparable to my area. If we talk of my specific condition, I can have some troubles sometimes with light frost because of the altitude of my location, but if we talk about the area in general... there is no game. It's not to be patriotic but because of evidence. I am below the 40th parallel and this means I am in the subtropics. Moreover, my region is between two seas, Tirreno and Ionio, both much warmer than the Adriatic. This latter in fact is not very deep. For this same reason in Italy on the Tirreno's side climatic zone 9 reaches until the north in Liguria, while on the Adriatic side it's only the southern part of the Peninsula which is considered warm to 9. If I have not been clear on this latter issue see the Koeppen map:

http://www.passiflora.it/Zone%20Climatiche/ZoneKoppen.jpg

I do not agree on many particulars of this map, but it gives a general idea and you can see the difference between the two sides.

Apart from this, in general in the coastal areas of my region there is no frost at all. This year which was a tough winter for many of us on the coasts here it never drop below 2-5 degrees depending on the areas. Of course there are exceptions but few.

As I was saying my situation is different. But when you think that at almost 600 m of altitude (which is quite a lot) I can easily grow citrus, bananas, cattley guava and avocado, you get an idea of the general climate of the area. In the valley they grow annonas and guava and along the coast they grow mango, litchi, ananas, babaco and pithaya.

I apologize for the moment of glory, no disrespect for nobody.

To answer your question on max temp, I have official datas for these locations:

- at the beginning of the valley (which means at the feet of my hill), at 362 m of height, absolute max in history are 38.3 in May, 43.2 in June, 44.3 in July, 43.0 August, 41 September and 34. 7 in October. Here almost every year the temp touches 40 degrees.
Consultazione banca dati storici (http://www.cfcalabria.it/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=41)

- in the plan which stretches from the hill to the coast, but some km away from the sea, 41.7 June, 42.7 July, 42.1 Ago, 37.1 Sept
Consultazione banca dati storici (http://www.cfcalabria.it/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=41)

- by the sea, 39.8 June, 40. 1 July, 42.4 Ago, 34.7 Sept
Consultazione banca dati storici (http://www.cfcalabria.it/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=41)

As you see the max temp are higher far from the sea, however in these same places also winter is cooler and it is there that frost occur when by the sea are unheard of.

Blessings to all
I know I know, but to me, you guys are almost the same. Even within Koppen-Geiger you are just one place from each other (3 to 5 degrees Celsius is not a difference, 10 is :D ). And I've been to Makarska and they really are Africa like in summer (southern Croatia).
But the truth is, that there's only a little in the Europe, that can compare to your climate, Emanuel. Really... No need to persuade me... ;) I believe you... :D

And you know what is funny? Temperato fieddo is my climate :D In the middle of the Italy. Lucky me... :D

Kalabrian
05-11-2009, 04:47 PM
sorry I do not know why but the links to temp data which I posted in the former message do not work well, in fact they direct to the main page of the site and not to the specific pages I had chosen. Sorry for that.

Jack Daw
05-11-2009, 04:48 PM
sorry I do not know why but the links to temp data which I posted in the former message do not work well, in fact they direct to the main page of the site and not to the specific pages I had chosen. Sorry for that.
No need to apologize, they work with me... ;)

Kalabrian
05-11-2009, 04:55 PM
Concerning your final observation, Jack, in fact I have to say I regret there are not enough people here from both south Greece (or the islands) and south Spain.

Jack Daw
05-11-2009, 05:00 PM
Concerning your final observation, Jack, in fact I have to say I regret there are not enough people here from both south Greece (or the islands) and south Spain.
Which is still less then if I had to call in the whole Central, Northern, Eastern Europe... :D There is a magic to your climate and there's magic to mine... (I wonder, has any one seen the Russian Sankt Petersburg in winter? Lovely.... strongly recommended)...

Anoter question for you boys. Have you ever seen the frost that makes trees break at the mere touch? 200 kilometers of solid snow across the lowlands...
Pics to follow my point (photo taken about 1km from my house by my father, begin of the Carpathian mountain region, elevation of mere 450 meters above sea level).
Maybe I can't grow naners or apples, but it's worth the pic. :D Photos should make the waters of this thread cooler and let us reason together about thousands of beauties our planet has to offer... :D ;)

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq201/Jackob_Daw/Picture037.jpg
http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq201/Jackob_Daw/Picture038.jpg

You don't see such pictures everyday, also, other guys, enjoy... this is once a 4 years weather. Astonishingly, the temperaturewas only -12°C... :D

Kalabrian
05-11-2009, 05:10 PM
Of course Jack, all creation is blessed and wonderful. Of course also each one is more accustomed to a certain environment and loves it.

I was referring to the Greece and Spain issue because of our bananas' experiment and research. To give you an example, all the mango and annona trees in nurseries here come from Spain. Thus I am sure there is some nursery out there selling special nanas variety in Europe but we are not able to find it. That's what I meant.

Think I am going to sleep now, hear you soon!

brydon1
05-11-2009, 05:11 PM
Isn't that a lovely site :) :coldbanana:

I knew there was a reason why I moved to South Carolina LOL

Little Rat

Jack Daw
05-11-2009, 05:12 PM
Of course Jack, all creation is blessed and wonderful. Of course also each one is more accustomed to a certain environment and loves it.

I was referring to the Greece and Spain issue because of our bananas' experiment and research. To give you an example, all the mango and annona trees in nurseries here come from Spain. Thus I am sure there is some nursery out there selling special nanas variety in Europe but we are not able to find it. That's what I meant.

Think I am going to sleep now, hear you soon!
I sincerely hope to hear from you soon. Please let me know, oh you know... :D
One of my friends here in CE is working on it... :D There's definitely something in France and Spain. Just to find it...


Isn't that a lovely site :) :coldbanana:

I knew there was a reason why I moved to South Carolina LOL

Little Rat
That's Central Europe :D :D :D :D ;)

Dalmatiansoap
05-12-2009, 03:30 PM
Hehe, we are turning on. This thread rechs the point.
:woohoonaner:

Mark Hall
05-13-2009, 03:22 AM
Hi,It's me sighning in from the UK.:waving:

Dalmatiansoap
05-13-2009, 06:34 AM
Hi,It's me sighning in from the UK.:waving:

Bravo Mark.
Glad that U R sighned
:woohoonaner:

Bob
05-13-2009, 07:17 AM
:parachutenanner: Don't mind me, just dropping in to see what's going on "over there".

Dalmatiansoap
05-13-2009, 07:34 AM
:parachutenanner: Don't mind me, just dropping in to see what's going on "over there".

Take good care where will U drop down. Mines are everywere:ha::ha::ha:
:woohoonaner:

MediaHound
05-17-2009, 01:57 PM
Thread moved to our brand new European Section (http://www.bananas.org/f348/).
This forum is for members of the Banana Society from anywhere in all of the European Union to discuss things about banana plants, to discuss issues of getting banana plants in and into Europe, to discuss the things that bother the region, etc.. The forum exists to allow every new European member to get in touch with his/her European colleagues, exchange plants, give advice, and more efficiently organize the European banana community.
Special thanks to Jack Daw (http://www.bananas.org/member-jack-daw.html), Tog Tan (http://www.bananas.org/member-tog-tan.html), and the others that were instrumental in getting the special section setup. Hope you enjoy and use it well.
:2753: :2719:

Dalmatiansoap
05-17-2009, 02:15 PM
Thank You Jarred!
Juts came back home after few day of hard work on regionall expo and now this :ha::ha:.
Folks we did it! I really think that this is a good idea. Would be much easyer for direct contact between members here and I hope that "naner population" will grow much faster.
Regards from Croatia!
:woohoonaner:
P.S.
thanks Tog, thanks Bob and thank U all that supported this idea!

MediaHound
05-17-2009, 02:24 PM
And thank you as well Ante, it is of course your thread. Hope the expo went well btw.

Dalmatiansoap
05-17-2009, 02:56 PM
Yes, in generall it was my idea and it had good support from many European members (not only from EU).
Expo was great. Crowded with tourist from cruser boats. Mostly from USA and Japan and it was great expereance for me to talk with peoples from all around globe.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17457&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17457&ppuser=4565)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17458&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17458&ppuser=4565)
This is 1700 y old palace where expo took place. We freesed inside.
:woohoonaner:

brydon1
05-17-2009, 04:40 PM
congrats on the Expo.

What is in the lovely bottle you holding???

Dalmatiansoap
05-18-2009, 06:30 AM
congrats on the Expo.

What is in the lovely bottle you holding???

Wholenut liquer in hand-painted bottle. And on the table are snapses made from figs and carobs, herbal liq. and domestic cherry. Uf, almost forgot olive oil.
:woohoonaner:

icklefaqua
05-18-2009, 10:30 AM
Hi there,
I live in somerset in the UK.
Would love any help on finding and growing bananas in the UK.
Maybe get a banana buddie system going of swaps ( if any of mine grow).
Also how easy have people found it swaping bananas between uk and europe?

Jack Daw
05-18-2009, 12:01 PM
Hi there,
I live in somerset in the UK.
Would love any help on finding and growing bananas in the UK.
Maybe get a banana buddie system going of swaps ( if any of mine grow).
Also how easy have people found it swaping bananas between uk and europe?
No personal experience on my part, but since UK is a member of the EU (there's no customs among EU states), it shouldn't be as difficult as other countries...

Dalmatiansoap
05-18-2009, 12:55 PM
Hi there,
I live in somerset in the UK.
Would love any help on finding and growing bananas in the UK.
Maybe get a banana buddie system going of swaps ( if any of mine grow).
Also how easy have people found it swaping bananas between uk and europe?

Glad U joined us. I didnt have any problems when I recived my M. bordelon from UK even Croatia isnt in EU.
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
05-18-2009, 12:57 PM
Glad U joined us. I didnt have any problems when I recived my M. bordelon from UK even Croatia isnt in EU.
:woohoonaner:
How long did it take the post to get it into Croatia. I mean from UK to Croatia?
Thanks.

Dalmatiansoap
05-18-2009, 02:21 PM
Five days to week at most. Arrived in perfect condition and for the time on allready has three leaves. Today I noticed that even snails like it. I ll have to trap them first thing tomorrow.
:woohoonaner:

icklefaqua
05-18-2009, 03:13 PM
Glad U joined us. I didnt have any problems when I recived my M. bordelon from UK even Croatia isnt in EU.
:woohoonaner:
Sorry to sound a bit silly but was that seeds or plant?

Also has anyone had problems getting bananas from say....USA or any other non-EU place to EU?
:0519:

Dalmatiansoap
05-18-2009, 03:35 PM
It was a plant. One litre pot, 20 cm high. Till now nobody from US wasnt willing to ship me plant so I still foundt that impossiblle.
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
05-18-2009, 03:48 PM
Sorry to sound a bit silly but was that seeds or plant?

Also has anyone had problems getting bananas from say....USA or any other non-EU place to EU?
:0519:

@ icklefaqua:
USA - I've never tried
India - They haven't arrived
Switzerland - enroute, 4 workdays, 6 normal days...

from EU - no experience, but considering no customs, it should be swift.

@ Dalmatiansoap:
One way is to get it off EU (which is easy, they don't check outgoing stuff), the other way is to get it to EU (which is close to impossible sometimes).

Dalmatiansoap
05-18-2009, 03:56 PM
Jack,
there is never problem in any country with outgoing customs, they will allmost let everything out but in-customs are problems everywhere, if they mind they can allways look for fitocert. , taxex and ****s only they know.
One member from .org has send me one plant (not naner) that i recived without any problem so i STILL belive that there is problem in peoples mind.
:woohoonaner:

chong
05-18-2009, 03:59 PM
Five days to week at most. Arrived in perfect condition and for the time on allready has three leaves. Today I noticed that even snails like it. I ll have to trap them first thing tomorrow.
:woohoonaner:

For snails and slugs, use stale (or fresh) beer in a shallow pan, like a short jar cap. Snails and slugs love to party with beer. They die happy!

Kalabrian
05-18-2009, 04:08 PM
Here in Italy I never had problems in receiving stuff from the Uk. Here it seems from Uk things work as they should work for all countries which are commercial partners. I also received banana plants, once a parcel with dw cavendish and another time my two Helen's.

I don't see the purpose however because, paradoxically enough, you can find much more banana plants to buy in the Uk than in the southern European countries with warm climates.

Jack Daw
05-18-2009, 04:22 PM
For snails and slugs, use stale (or fresh) beer in a shallow pan, like a short jar cap. Snails and slugs love to party with beer. They die happy!
Interesting, I shall give it a try. Don't you happen to know, by the way, how to efficiently exterminate ants? They seem to keep their footholds and start to expand to my tomato territory... :D Coffee doesn't help anymore, boiled water neither, seems like a futile fight.

Here in Italy I never had problems in receiving stuff from the Uk. Here it seems from Uk things work as they should work for all countries which are commercial partners. I also received banana plants, once a parcel with dw cavendish and another time my two Helen's.

I don't see the purpose however because, paradoxically enough, you can find much more banana plants to buy in the Uk than in the southern European countries with warm climates.
I will see how it goes from Swizerland, and after being disappointed by the Indian bananas (which haven't arrived to Slovakia for some purpose), I hope this one will be fine.
And Kalabrian, you forgot palm enthusiasts, there seem to be more of them in the border countries, were only limited amounts of hardy palms can survive, yet I know of soooooo many people all over Europe, America, Russia (yes, I know, they have subtropical and desert regions too, but I'm talking about the cold, European part).. :D It's just the paradox that always keeps me amused. However, you know, I don't appreciate the simplicity of an apple. Yet, in India, they have troubles growing it else than on Himalayan slopes (if even there) - it needs winter period... Paradox. :D . It's charming, how evryone wants what he can't have. I would call it also one of the basic human characteristics, not going to philospohy though. It just occured to me. :D

lorax
05-18-2009, 04:35 PM
Jack, for ants stir a box of bicarbonate of soda into the hill, then pour vinegar in. They don't come back (for me at least, and I deal with leafcutter ants) after being treated that way.

Jack Daw
05-18-2009, 04:43 PM
Jack, for ants stir a box of bicarbonate of soda into the hill, then pour vinegar in. They don't come back (for me at least, and I deal with leafcutter ants) after being treated that way.
I will give it a try, thanks. At first, the used coffee worked, but then they adapted. The boiling water seemed to work too, but then they learnt, that they should carry their wounded brothers to the grounds. I also used ant bacteria to eliminate the colonies, but they somehow got imunity. I'm starting to admire the ant kingdom's efficiency, but it's devastating to my strawberries, any berries in fact and tomatoes... they make small holes into the vegetables and then it won't ripen... :(

chong
05-18-2009, 04:57 PM
Jack, for ants stir a box of bicarbonate of soda into the hill, then pour vinegar in. They don't come back (for me at least, and I deal with leafcutter ants) after being treated that way.

Thanks Beth,
Leafcutter ants are my precious plants nemesis. They love to harvest my Michelia Alba, Michelia Coco and banana leaves. How do you find their hill/nest? I can never find them.

lorax
05-18-2009, 05:20 PM
I think we might have different kinds of leafcutters, Chong. Mine make long trails and constantly use them, so you just follow them back to the nest, which is a big bare area. In my case, I then soak my boots in kerosene (this keeps them from climbing me during the second step), and I use a machete to break the nest open. From there it's as I described.

I have this kind of little red bastard munchie ants. They're quite easy to follow, since they wear their own little paths through the garden and forest.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh196/HabloPorArboles/DSCN1012.jpg

chong
05-18-2009, 06:00 PM
I think we might have different kinds of leafcutters, Chong. Mine make long trails and constantly use them, so you just follow them back to the nest, which is a big bare area. In my case, I then soak my boots in kerosene (this keeps them from climbing me during the second step), and I use a machete to break the nest open. From there it's as I described.

I have this kind of little red bastard munchie ants. They're quite easy to follow, since they wear their own little paths through the garden and forest.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh196/HabloPorArboles/DSCN1012.jpg

Eeeeek! That's what they look like around here. Though ours are probably only 3/4 the size of those. A little smaller anyway. My problem here is that they are mostly nocturnal. If I'm lucky, and I may see them early in the morning. And I can see them quickly scouring around with pieces of leaves. I understand that they don't actually eat the leaves, but use the leaves to compost and grow a certain type of fungus, which is the one they eat. So, do the ants get killed by the Carbon Dioxide gas, or it it the Sodium Acetate that gets in their food that kills them?

lorax
05-18-2009, 06:32 PM
It's a combo of both, actually. The Sodium Acetate kills the fungus, some of the ants drown in the vinegar, some die of asphyxiation with the CO2, and the queen normally starves before they can move her because the vinegar renders the area unsuitable for future fungal growth.

Dalmatiansoap
05-19-2009, 05:56 AM
I don't see the purpose however because, paradoxically enough, you can find much more banana plants to buy in the Uk than in the southern European countries with warm climates.

Time to make this different.
:woohoonaner:

Dalmatiansoap
05-19-2009, 06:00 AM
For snails and slugs, use stale (or fresh) beer in a shallow pan, like a short jar cap. Snails and slugs love to party with beer. They die happy!

Wooho, banana party. Too bad I quit drinking. I ll die laughing whan I imagine me and bunch of slugs in beer pool:ha::ha::ha:
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
05-21-2009, 05:38 AM
@ icklefaqua:
USA - I've never tried
India - They haven't arrived
Switzerland - enroute, 4 workdays, 6 normal days...

from EU - no experience, but considering no customs, it should be swift.

@ Dalmatiansoap:
One way is to get it off EU (which is easy, they don't check outgoing stuff), the other way is to get it to EU (which is close to impossible sometimes).


Dear friends,

time to correct my previous, a little bit hasted emotions.

USA - It's up to Chong ;) , but I've never tried
India - ARRIVED after 26 days, 18 workdays (some holiday were there) - they were forgotten at the CLO ZOLL Police Department
Switzerland - ARRIVED after 7 days, 5 workdays
from EU - considering no customs, it should be swift, but I've never tried

And now some pictures of lucky Musa 'Pahari Kela' owner. Let's just hope, that they will live and live to their reputation...

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq201/Jackob_Daw/Exotika%20-%20banany/20090521/20090521-MusaPahariKela001.jpg

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq201/Jackob_Daw/Exotika%20-%20banany/20090521/20090521-MusaPahariKela002.jpg

Dalmatiansoap
05-21-2009, 05:45 AM
Bravo Jack!!!
They finally make thru. Hope corms are still good and will grow fast and healthy.
:woohoonaner:
Keep us posted

Dalmatiansoap
05-21-2009, 12:48 PM
What? Snails, oh, they are history!:nanadrink:
:woohoonaner:

carlosfv
06-25-2009, 08:28 AM
hello for all european members
I live in the Spain´s north coast (Cantabria region when there are the Altamira Cave and Z9a -9b with some early morning frost in winter if there are clear skys))
I growing bananas from 4-5 years ago. basjoo, sikkim, without problems and helen´s hybrid, velutina, manii, with acceptable results but only one winter in the ground, and dwarf cavendish, raja puri, mysore, superdwarf cavendish, dwarf orinoco and double mahoi with many problems in winter (I don´t dig up). I have too ensete, sterlizia and musella and other many subtropicals plants.

I accept exchenges and trades of seeds and banana pups, and I´m desesperately looking for texas star and california gold
if someone are interested email me

carlosfv

Jack Daw
06-25-2009, 08:34 AM
hello for all european members
I live in the Spain´s north coast (Cantabria region when there are the alatamira Cave and Z9a -9b with some early morning frost in winter if there are clear skys))
I growing bananas from 4-5 years ago. basjoo, sikkim, without problems and helen´s hybrid, velutina, manii, with acceptable results but only one winter in the ground, and dwarf cavendish, raja puri, mysore, superdwarf cavendish, dwarf orinoco and double mahoi with many problems in winter (I don´t dig up). I have too ensete, sterlizia and musella and other many subtropicals plants.

I accept exchenges and trades of seeds and banana pups, and I´m desesperately looking for texas star and california gold
if someone are interested email me

carlosfv
Hi Carlos,

I put you down to the list at http://www.bananas.org/f348/list-european-members-bananas-org-8083.html . Other than that, welcome to our little European club and I hope that we will be seeing you in this thread very often.

As to the California Gold and Texas Star pups, they are not available in Europe and I'm sorry for that, BUT I was talking to chong a little while ago and he was willing to maybe trade the next year some Pahari Kela (my) for some California Gold and Texas Star bananas he has.

It's all just a matter of time, before we get to the real deal. :D

I will let you know if and when I have the pups then. ;) But until that day is here, we have to resort to our own little sandpits. You have some really nice cultivars man, will trade with you earlier, than you expect. :D

Have a nice day all of you.

P.S: Carlos, please delete the second post you made. :D You clicked the button twice and there are 2 posts that are same.

Dalmatiansoap
06-25-2009, 08:34 AM
Welcome to group of European banana enthusiastics!!
Hope to run some trades soon
Regards from Croatia
:woohoonaner:

Kalabrian
06-25-2009, 08:48 AM
WELCOME!!!

I am not surprised you had problems with cavendishes because they have troubles also in Sicily! But what surprises me is that you have troubles with the dwarf orinoco. So my question is: which absolute low temps there are when you have the mentioned early morning frost with clear sky?

YAKUZA
06-29-2009, 02:10 PM
ow man its HOT, woooohoooow
Grow my little ones grow



:goteam: :woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
06-29-2009, 02:13 PM
ow man its HOT, woooohoooow
Grow my little ones grow



:goteam: :woohoonaner:
Yep, we had very very hot day today too, maybe 30+, but then the rain came in the evening and we dropped down with the temp. However, there is a nice sword pup forming on my Pahari Kela, :woohoonaner:...

Dalmatiansoap
06-30-2009, 11:21 AM
Just quick hello from me passing by!
Lot of work, lack of banana time :(.
Summer in full swing!
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
06-30-2009, 11:32 AM
Just quick hello from me passing by!
Lot of work, lack of banana time :(.
Summer in full swing!
:woohoonaner:
Ha ha, Makarska Istok, 30°C, Bratislava 29,5°C jupiiii.
It started to rain from the high and low pressure meeting near Austrian Berg, so it's raining warm water. :D
Glad to hear from you Ante. And the best is, that the nanas will need your attention again in September. :D
Wow, it's literally bombardment here, about 15 rain drops/cm2/2sec.

saltydad
06-30-2009, 11:58 AM
I love the way this thread has grown and serves as a focal point for the issues unique to the European members. I try to lurk every once in a while so I don't miss anything interesting!

Jack Daw
06-30-2009, 03:45 PM
I love the way this thread has grown and serves as a focal point for the issues unique to the European members. I try to lurk every once in a while so I don't miss anything interesting!
I've been watching your weather on your sticker for quite a while and provided that it is more precise for America, we have about the same temperatures (so far, going to high 37°C in July). Nice.

Jack Daw
06-30-2009, 03:53 PM
Ante, what do you do? Accomodate the tourists in your houses? I know that you have a small (or big) business in summer, wish you lots and lots of guests... But nanas don't want to be alone. :D At least have your chldren water them, play with them.
As astonishing as it may sound (I tried it, it works), if you treat the plant like a human being, talk to it sometimes, turn your radio on for them once in a while, they grow significantly better. I tried it with tomatoes (pomidori) this year, whereas one batch was still in the window and the other one I took downstairs, talked to it for a while, turned the music on and after an hour or so I put them back to the others. In April, when I planted them out, those that I communicated with were about 10cm higher and about 1cm thicker.
Soil was the same, they stood almost the whole day close to each other, the sun and light was the same. Just the talkie and music was different.
It does make a difference. :D When you have time. ;) But if your children play and your nanas are close to them, they will feel the fun. :D Same pot size as well.

Kalabrian
06-30-2009, 04:57 PM
Jack what you say is not astonishing but absolutely true, I can confirm. Plants are living beings of course, and they perceive the energies. Their purpose on this earth is to accomplish the task they were created for by their Creator, and to serve man also, so they will feel our attitudes. Me personally I love to talk to them, greet them and caress them, and utter a little blessing. They appreciate.

Jack Daw
06-30-2009, 05:39 PM
Jack what you say is not astonishing but absolutely true, I can confirm. Plants are living beings of course, and they perceive the energies. Their purpose on this earth is to accomplish the task they were created for by their Creator, and to serve man also, so they will feel our attitudes. Me personally I love to talk to them, greet them and caress them, and utter a little blessing. They appreciate.
Forgot to mention, birds are good for grass and soil, small animals do well wtih higher plants...
For isntance, if any element is missing, it can mean an outbreak of ants and other little creatures. :D That's why I always keep few animals around, I taught them to come in every once in a while and they do the cleaning, like the robins with my lawn. :D

lorax
06-30-2009, 07:06 PM
Sure! We were put here on Earth by the Creator expressley to TEND THE GARDEN - and what better way to do that than by talking to the plants. They're living beings too, so of course they'll respond! (Even if it's not in a language that we understand too well.)

Bob
06-30-2009, 07:16 PM
Sure! We were put here on Earth by the Creator expressley to TEND THE GARDEN - and what better way to do that than by talking to the plants. They're living beings too, so of course they'll respond! (Even if it's not in a language that we understand too well.)

Same with dogs.

Jack Daw
07-01-2009, 04:25 AM
Sure! We were put here on Earth by the Creator expressley to TEND THE GARDEN - and what better way to do that than by talking to the plants. They're living beings too, so of course they'll respond! (Even if it's not in a language that we understand too well.)
I'm just glad that no-one can tell that I'm insane any more. :D And from now on, I will communicate with all my plants!

Same with dogs.
Never tried dogs. :D

Dalmatiansoap
07-01-2009, 06:31 AM
Ante, what do you do? Accomodate the tourists in your houses? I know that you have a small (or big) business in summer, wish you lots and lots of guests... But nanas don't want to be alone. :D

Im lineman in morning and souvenir seller in evning. I have a little street shop (I ll post few pix once), where I sell my soaps and liquers and snapsses to tourists. We are trying to present real autentic products of Croatia and not some industrial souvenirs made in China with only croatian name on them. 20-30 years ago these were only things that peoples were able to get from here: vines, grappas and olive oils. Nowdays everything is full of Thailand shells, plastic dolphines and craps like that. Same souvenirs U can buy in Bratislava, in Makarska, in Paris and New York but really only few are really autentic. Know what I mean?
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
07-01-2009, 08:23 AM
Ante, what do you do? Accomodate the tourists in your houses? I know that you have a small (or big) business in summer, wish you lots and lots of guests... But nanas don't want to be alone. :D

Im lineman in morning and souvenir seller in evning. I have a little street shop (I ll post few pix once), where I sell my soaps and liquers and snapsses to tourists. We are trying to present real autentic products of Croatia and not some industrial souvenirs made in China with only croatian name on them. 20-30 years ago these were only things that peoples were able to get from here: vines, grappas and olive oils. Nowdays everything is full of Thailand shells, plastic dolphines and craps like that. Same souvenirs U can buy in Bratislava, in Makarska, in Paris and New York but really only few are really autentic. Know what I mean?
:woohoonaner:
I know precisely. Asian expansion to our markets is terrible, there's only one thing to do: Don't buy their "goods" (mostly bads, but you know what I mean).
The worst thing is, that the traditional goods and jobs, like tinkers, pottery and so (for my region) go to extinction, because no-one can beat the Asian mass produced prices. I personally rather bought one Slovak soap made of plants living in our lakes, than bought any of those vietnam souvenir sh***. Probably toxic as well. It now rests in my wardrobe and adds wonderful aroma to my clothes.

That's what I liked about Italy, when I was there (Kalabrian confirms?)... All the things in Ancona were from Italy; TVs, toilets, food, plastic bags, only Italian channels in TV, everything was "Made in Italy". That's great spirit and I wish that it was so in my country as well.
But since many industries were ruined by Germany and other western countries after 1989, there's little things that we can have now Slovak. Even the food is only imported. I'm lucky, 'cause there's lots of private (and thus expensive) homegrown food in my area, but I'm countryside, mostly. What about cities? BUSINESS.

Anyways, wish you luck Ante, I know that the crafts are very time consuming, but rewarding activities and wish you, that there's a souvenir from your shop in many foreign households.

Btw. 32°C, nanas are slowing down in their growth. But we have wonderful weather. The whole day is about 30+°C and in teh evening, as the sun sets, the temps suddenly drop to about 23°C and heavy rainfalls come in, meaning that no irrigation is needed at any time during june, july and august. :D I love our summers. It's just cool.
Tomatoes are ripening - first batch about 60, than I timed another batch 2 weeks later for about 80 tomatoes and then batches of about 40 each 2 weeks (what about yours, Kalabrian?), nanas are growing, citruses as well (few tangerines are already forming... jupiii), some sequoias (Sequiadendron giganteum), lots and lots of strawberries, watermelons, many kinds of berries, apples, tobacco (don't ask :D), palms, spicies, roses, gladioles... :D And Maurellis. But I had to cut down 2 peach trees this year. Something hit them early in the spring and they died off. :( No warning, no frost damage, nothing. Maybe they were too old - 40 and 55 years. May they rest in the heaven garden.

ilmr
08-28-2009, 03:11 AM
Hello from the relatively cold Finland.
This is the first year I'm trying bananas out and will try to overwinter a smallish basjoo, let's see how that goes.

Dalmatiansoap
08-28-2009, 03:17 AM
Welcome Ilmr!
Keep us updated. We ll try to help U as much as we can.
Regards from Croatia
:woohoonaner:

marenmar
08-28-2009, 03:17 AM
Hey Ilmr!
Wow,you're from Finland, welcome!!! You got the biggest challenge of all :)
How hot are the summers and how cold are winters in Finland?? Good luck with your Basjoo:goteam:

ilmr
08-28-2009, 03:45 AM
Hey Ilmr!
Wow,you're from Finland, welcome!!! You got the biggest challenge of all :)
How hot are the summers and how cold are winters in Finland?? Good luck with your Basjoo:goteam:

Cheers. The growthseason here starts at early may and ends in early october (+- few weeks). Finland stretches in to the arctic so up north it's a lot colder than here in "the south". I'd say that where my bananas are at the temperatures range from -27c to +27c (-17f to 80f). The summer's differ in nature and sometimes you have a lot of sunshine and warmth and sometimes it stays at 17-18c for ages.
January and february are naturally the coldest months and it can be below freezing for quite some time. December has been a disappointment for the last decade, with a british style of never ending rain instead of snow happyness. I should prolly dig up some proper statistics and not be as fuzzy about it as I am now. :)

EDIT: I have a thread here (http://www.bananas.org/f348/my-basjoo-9292.html) where I'll try to document my adventures and I'll prolly put some decent data there (if I can find anything)

stimpy67
09-19-2009, 01:47 PM
Hi fellow Europeans,

I'm from Antwerp, Belgium. I have a small garden but I still enjoy growing exotic plants and bananas are my favorite plants. 2 years ago I almost had a Musa Basjoo in flower but then it became too cold. Last winter was very cold for a long time and even with protection the stems were frozen, but many suckers came up and now my Basjoos are looking great. I also have a Musella Lasiocarpa in flower that looks impressive, an Ensete Maurelii and a Dwarf Cavendish. This year I also tried some seeds of different bananas but I only had success with Snow Banana.

The weather is still great here +20C so no worries yet!

Kind regards
Rudy

Seweryn
11-03-2009, 06:02 PM
Hello Everyone
I'm from Poland and my region is Lesser Poland, I am interested in cold hardy bananas and any other exoctic plants which can grow whole year outside the house in Polish conditions, so they must stand at least -10C (obviously it would be perfcet if they could stand -20 C but this is wishful thinking)
I have one banana plant in my garden which I'v bought under the name "Freddi Banani"
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6910/fb12f.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/fb12f.jpg/)

This is it in my garden (Spring)
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18730&ppuser=4139><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18730&size=1 border=0></a>

and in the end of September

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6717/img2858.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/i/img2858.jpg/)

carlosfv
11-04-2009, 02:51 AM
Hi Seweryn
i saw the pictures of your bakcyard, I know you have eucaliptus, a fig tree in pot, musa and canna? in the rigth of the pictures

I don´t know what sp is freddi banana, may be probably basjoo or basjoo sahalin 8 (these are the hardiest musas)

well good look for winter, and protect them from frost

carlosfv

Seweryn
11-04-2009, 04:29 AM
Hi , I have alos some opuntias, poncirus trifolitata, pittosporum, beshorneria, yucca, arbutus undeo, passiflora, Quercus ilex and Q. coccifera, punica granatum, lagerstroemia.... (for some of these plants it will be the very first winter out ).
I will try to put some photos in the other thread soon.
Cheers, Sev

Jack Daw
11-04-2009, 11:46 AM
Hi Sew, it's Musa basjoo 100%. That name was invented for no reason in Germany and ever since sold in Europe like that.
You can tell also from the leaf shape. Nice collection you have there, keep on collecting. ;)

Seweryn
11-04-2009, 03:15 PM
Thanx Jack and Clarlosfv, I do think it is an basjoo but the producer sells it as a variety which can be more freeze tollerant than the regular one, and portecting it by licence. Nevermind, maybe I will compare them one day.

I also tried Trachycarpus, it had survived the the winter but i dug it up a month ago becouse I think it was to small for growing in the garden.
If you are iterested in palm experiments in Poland this is the link to some forum; it's whole in Polish but you should undrestund some.

Oleander - Forum - FORUM BOTANICZNE / FORUM OGRODNICZE / PORADY OGRODNICZE - PALMY / PAPROCIE - Du¿e palmy w gruncie w kujawsko-pomorskim (http://www.oleander.pl/index.php?p=showtopic&toid=1406&area=1&high=&pp=15&page=1)

bikoro child
11-05-2009, 02:52 AM
Hi Sev ...Your bananas have a really good looking in the ferns...Is this eucalyptus gunni?your Canna Stutgart looks good too... I think that Fredibanani is a Basjoo to we have it in supermarket it's another commercial name like basjoo yangtse or fuji yama or Sakkahlin and so on...Do you know Andres ,a guy who grows bananas and palm in Poland ?He comes very regulary in a french forum about palms..

Seweryn
11-05-2009, 07:37 AM
Tanx, I has just seen your gallery - this is real tropic!

I am fed up with this ferns, they are like a weeds. That eucaliptus it's nor gunnii I think, 2 years ago I sowed E. gunni and 1 plant was different and this is the stange one, (so actually I dont know what species it is, I have 3 "real" gunnii in the garden too). This year i also sowed some gunnii and again 1 of them is different - leaves are green not silver.
About Andres
Yes. I know him, he writes on polish forums too.
Regards Sev

carlosfv
12-26-2009, 04:18 PM
Hi I´m from central north spain coast
carlosfv

grub
03-27-2010, 01:39 PM
Hi y'all, only just seen this part of the forum, I'm in the U.K. and still waiting for it to warm up. Aarrrgh!

Jack Daw
03-27-2010, 02:24 PM
Hi y'all, only just seen this part of the forum, I'm in the U.K. and still waiting for it to warm up. Aarrrgh!
Hope it warms up for you soon. Central Europe is, along with southern countries, the warmest part of Europe these days (and weeks). So yeaaaaay!!! Finally. Spring began here some time ago, with narcissus being almost completely open. :goteam:

BB73
03-28-2010, 06:40 AM
Check out the actual weather on the roof top of my home below.
Today is a quite windy, cloudy day with some rain, but still not cold. The last week was quite pleasent with temps around 20° C and lows around 10° C.
The next days should be like the last days, so spring finally arrived.
My nanners that have survived this winter are showing all new growth. My Lemon Trees and my Hibiscus is starting as well.

Jack Daw
03-28-2010, 08:21 AM
Check out the actual weather on the roof top of my home below.
Today is a quite windy, cloudy day with some rain, but still not cold. The last week was quite pleasent with temps around 20° C and lows around 10° C.
The next days should be like the last days, so spring finally arrived.
My nanners that have survived this winter are showing all new growth. My Lemon Trees and my Hibiscus is starting as well.
Same here, but night temps are falling to 6 - 10°C. :D Nice weather indeed.

Francesco
06-21-2010, 04:22 AM
ECCOMI!
From southest part of Italy: I live in Sicily.
Banana var. I am growing:
Dwarf Brazilian
Zan Moreno
Mona Lisa
Misi Luki
Belle
Double Mahoi
Comune di Sicilia

rick2001
06-21-2010, 06:39 AM
Hi..... here's another italian bananas' (and palms) enthusiast from Rome.

The last week-end was not very good but for the rest here in Rome we are having good temperatures for the 'nanas.... 16-20 degrees at night and 28-30 degrees at 14.00 with 50/60% of humidity...

I'm growing 2 Dwarf Cavendis , 1 musella lasiocarpa, 1 basjoo and one (presumed) Orinoco

You can see some pics of them in another topic in this section

See you


Rick

Jalon
07-19-2010, 06:37 AM
Hello...:03:
From Cantabria, Spain.
:nanadrink:

I am another lover of the bananas and have as challenge obtain eatable bananas here.:ha:


http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9507/casa04.jpg

Ensete ventricosum:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2328/musaensete.jpg

Musa 'Super Dwarf Cavendish':
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1442/musacav02.jpg

Jalon

rick2001
07-19-2010, 06:44 AM
Hi Jalon, you live in a wonderful place......

Dalmatiansoap
07-19-2010, 07:03 AM
Beautifull house and sorrounding Julio!
I dont think thats SDC in picture below :)
:nanadrink:

Jalon
07-19-2010, 07:13 AM
Dalmatiansoap

I dont think thats SDC in picture below


Probably. I bought it with the label 'Musa'.
For the size (1m) I thought that it was this.

That you believe that it can be?

Thank you

Dalmatiansoap
07-19-2010, 07:22 AM
looks like Basjoo to me but more informations will help. Like plant age, growing habbit, close up foto, etc. Post a question in Banana identification thread and Im pretty sure that many members will help U soon :)
:woohoonaner:

rick2001
07-19-2010, 10:43 AM
Dalmatiansoap




Probably. I bought it with the label 'Musa'.
For the size (1m) I thought that it was this.

That you believe that it can be?

Thank you

It must came from the same nursery of the 'nana I saw at Auchan labeled as " Musa"....:0493:

Jalon
07-19-2010, 12:01 PM
I bought it in a garden center, in a pot, as indoor plant...:ha:

Seweryn
07-19-2010, 03:35 PM
Hi, For me it looks rather like Musa ornata but I'm not an expert.

Jack Daw
07-19-2010, 04:48 PM
Hi Jalon, welcome to this site!
As for the naner on the last pic, I don't think it's basjoo. Basjoo has some red in the midrib, but mostly on smaller, younger leaves. A plant well over 10th leaf didn't show anything like that in my case. I too think it's some other version. Possibly ornamental.

If I ever were to live somewhere happily, your place would maybe be the perfect spot. Beautiful nature, no people. Ideal combination.

:bananas_b

Jalon
07-20-2010, 02:30 AM
Thank you,
This one is my retirement, since I have been employed always at the city (Madrid).
I am in full field, but to 800 m of a nice and small village, with all the services.

saltydad
07-20-2010, 03:13 AM
Jalon, what a beautiful place you have. (I hope Jack will let me trespass with the European folks for a moment!) Your bananas and palms look great. What was your profession in Madrid?

Jack Daw
07-20-2010, 05:45 AM
...(I hope Jack will let me trespass with the European folks for a moment!)...
I'm always happy to see that not only Europeans read and contribute to this section!
:bananas_b

Jalon
07-20-2010, 07:09 PM
Thank you Howard.

He was a teacher of University (technically I it am until September 30).

And my wife, from Ohio, also.

Julio

Jack Daw
07-21-2010, 08:10 AM
Thank you Howard.

He was a teacher of University (technically I it am until September 30).

And my wife, from Ohio, also.

Julio
What type of University?

Linda_GER
07-21-2010, 01:50 PM
And here`s a new addition to our big banana family - I`m Linda from Germany! :03:

BB73
07-21-2010, 01:58 PM
Welcome Linda!

Finally you started to write something here! :-) You joined quite a while ago.
I hope we'll trade bananas soon!

Viele Grüße

Bernd

Jalon
07-21-2010, 11:25 PM
Hello Linda, I believe that I am mas recently that your. Welcome.:03:


Jack Daw
What type of University?
I do not understand your question. That you want to say with type of university?

The principal public Spanish university, with headquarters in Madrid.

:nanadrink:

rick2001
07-22-2010, 12:13 AM
Hi Linda, welcome!

Seweryn
07-22-2010, 07:56 AM
Jack Daw[/B]
I do not understand your question. That you want to say with type of university?

The principal public Spanish university, with headquarters in Madrid.

:nanadrink:

I think I know what's the point.
In not so distant past we had Universities and other types of Academies
but now every type of academy assumes the name "university"
so for ex; Medical Academy -> Univesity of Medicine
Agricultural academy - > Univesity of Agriculture
Polytechnic -> Univesity of Technology

Jack Daw
07-22-2010, 09:31 AM
Precisely Sew, Jolan, what's your specialization? Technical, philosophical, judicial... university?

Jalon
07-23-2010, 04:07 AM
I deal. In Spain a university can give very diverse specialities. In mine approximately 50 qualifications exists. It is divided in Experimental Sciences, Sciences of the health, Area of economy and social sciences... etc.

I have been employed at the area of experimental sciences. Concretely in the Department of biomathematics and the Faculty of Biological Sciences.

My original formation was mathematical and a doctor in Biological Sciences. My specialities, experimental design and biological models in artificial intelligence (Neural networks, genetic algorithms....).

:nanadrink:

Jack Daw
07-23-2010, 06:01 AM
I deal. In Spain a university can give very diverse specialities. In mine approximately 50 qualifications exists. It is divided in Experimental Sciences, Sciences of the health, Area of economy and social sciences... etc.

I have been employed at the area of experimental sciences. Concretely in the Department of biomathematics and the Faculty of Biological Sciences.

My original formation was mathematical and a doctor in Biological Sciences. My specialities, experimental design and biological models in artificial intelligence (Neural networks, genetic algorithms....).

:nanadrink:
Precisely what I would've gotten into, if I didn't start with technical sciences. Wow, pretty cool and impressive field.
Such combination is however impossible here.

So how did the fortune lead you to bananas?

Seweryn
07-23-2010, 06:29 PM
It's the same here, old and big universites have many specialities.
Univesity where I studied has for ex. 8 faculties.
John Paul II Catholic University of Lublin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_II_Catholic_University_of_Lublin)
:08::)

saltydad
07-23-2010, 06:47 PM
Jalon, at the university I attended for psychology (Columbia University in the City of New York (http://www.columbia.edu/)), I remember a cognitive psychology class dealing with maps and templates and algorithms of cognition. The hardest psych class I took! My area was the effects of drugs taken during pregnancy on the offspring, with a focus on methadone and behavioral teratology. Welcome!

Jalon
07-24-2010, 03:38 AM
Saltydad, interesting field. Those of us who are older remember well all the problems of the methadone.

Sewerin, here, the majority is too big. In Madrid there are eight public ones and enough private mas. The Complutense one is the major one and more ancient.

Jack Daw, it is a long story. I like the tropical world a lot and I have travelled a little there. The plants with a tropical aspect, which can be cultivated in not tropical sites are bananas and palms. For years I have been interested in both.
In addition, I want to be the first one :woohoonaner:in obtaining eatable banana trees in Cantabria (North of Spain, humid, cloudy and green).


:nanadrink:

thierrywells
05-20-2016, 03:02 AM
Hello.

I am living in Romania!

ManOfPeel
04-02-2017, 06:12 AM
Hello There! I´m from the middle of Sweden, (Orebro).

kernoel
06-19-2017, 07:43 AM
registered some time ago already and havent introduced myself here; trying to bring some new life to the European section

I'm from the south-eastern part of Austria, 30minutes from the Slovenian border. I'm currently growing several musas, including Musa Basjoo, Musa Double Mahoi, Musa Ice Cream, Musa yunnanesis and Musa Helen's Hybrid.

:woohoonaner:

pikkenix
06-22-2017, 05:24 PM
Welcome kernoel!
I live in sweden and I'm growing the following: ensete ventricosum mauerellii, dwarf red, SDC, siam ruby, dajiao, basjoo and rajaouri. When you have some pups contact me and we can trade some!

angelos
06-27-2017, 01:51 AM
hello people.im from Greece, thats a great idea from our Croatian friend.would def support this

katklug
11-08-2019, 06:24 AM
registered some time ago already and havent introduced myself here; trying to bring some new life to the European section

I'm from the south-eastern part of Austria, 30minutes from the Slovenian border. I'm currently growing several musas, including Musa Basjoo, Musa Double Mahoi, Musa Ice Cream, Musa yunnanesis and Musa Helen's Hybrid.

:woohoonaner:

Hello!
German but loving and living in Portugal :)
Do you have anything to trade let me know !!
🌈

katklug
01-23-2020, 03:58 AM
Hello everyone !
Heading to Sri Lanka!!!
Any knowledge on what varieties are most precious from there ?
:08:

Let the hunt begin

Dalmatiansoap
01-23-2020, 04:51 AM
Good luck there! Post few pics please to help us sail the Winter.
I think it doesn't matter much in your climate what will you get from there but if I were you I would focus on plantains sp.
:nanadrink: