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alpha010
04-20-2009, 08:39 AM
Has anyone above the zone 6/7 line ever successfully grow passion flowers and fruit in a container? I have read that it can be but my hangup with it is what do I do with it when I bring it in the house? I cant just drag a 10-15 foot multi-vine into the front living room like I can my SDC.
All Q's, comments, and help is greatly appreciated.
Thanx!
Shaggy
john_ny
04-20-2009, 01:03 PM
Here's a link to a thread from last September.
http://www.bananas.org/f8/passion-vines-seed-5957.html
lorax
04-20-2009, 01:52 PM
I used to do it in Zone 3 with P. caerulea.
jmoore
04-20-2009, 01:54 PM
I'm growing some passionflowers from seed. I got the seeds from the fruit of my brother's vine and it's been growing outside for a very long time. So I'd say it was fairly hardy. I don't know what the UK zone equivalent is, sorry, but it gets quite chilly.
Some people say they are difficult to propogate from seed, but I think they need some cold stratification.
Patty in Wisc
04-20-2009, 02:07 PM
I planted seeds from a fruit I bought last year. They grew outside in a big concrete pot. I dug them up, cut them back & brought them inside. They only grew a little - sort of dormant, & now will go back out in a few weeks. Don't know what kind & I hope to get flowers this summer.
island cassie
04-22-2009, 05:13 PM
But Lorax, p. caerulea is very cold hardy. We grew it outside in England under snow. Can't think what zone we were then unfortunately.
lorax
04-22-2009, 05:58 PM
I've done it with P. mixto as well - that's hardy to -5C.
sunfish
04-22-2009, 06:09 PM
Passion vines ,from what I have read,do well in containers. Prune it before taking it indoors.
turtile
04-22-2009, 08:17 PM
Has anyone above the zone 6/7 line ever successfully grow passion flowers and fruit in a container? I have read that it can be but my hangup with it is what do I do with it when I bring it in the house? I cant just drag a 10-15 foot multi-vine into the front living room like I can my SDC.
All Q's, comments, and help is greatly appreciated.
Thanx!
Shaggy
Passiflora incarnata is native to your area. Even if you want to bring it inside for the winter, it will already set fruit by that point.
Patty in Wisc
04-23-2009, 01:32 AM
Passiflora incarnata: - isn't that the same as Maypop? They are s'posed to be the most cold hardy passie, only to zone 5 but only in mild winters & heavily mulched.
I ordered a seedling one year - 6 " high & planted it inground in spring & it grew & made some beautiful flowers but not long enough season for fruits. It died over winter. S'posed to be hardy in zone 5 & I mulched it but it died.
saltydad
04-23-2009, 02:34 AM
My Maypop (P. incarnata) did nothing the first year, some leaves and maybe 6 ft. of vine. Last year it showered us with flowers and even a few fruit, but they didn't ripen. (P. caerulea has died twice). Be careful what you wish for, my maypop now has taken over about 8 ft of fence and even grows in the lawn!
alpha010
04-23-2009, 05:21 AM
Thanks for the info guys.....I was doing some reading and thought that I could grow Maypops. I have about 120 feet of 6 foot tall chainlink fence I'd like to do something with...Even though (according to 1990 Zone map) I'm on the 5b/6a border, the temps here rarely ever go below 0 (in my area, the chance of going below 0 is the same as going above 100). So, I figured I could order an already rooted plant and try it this year and see what happens by next summer.
I was even thinking of trying out the giant granadilla (read somewhere it was hardy to z6) and seeing what happens.
Shaggy
damaclese
04-23-2009, 07:23 AM
I belong to a passiflora group on face book and grow several variates.
Maypop is a common name given to vines native to the mid Atlantic states
i however do not believe it is the variety (P. incarnata) memory fails me as to what it's given name is all get back to you all on that
i have Galapagos, and arnata Ruby Glow, as well as Pura Vita Red and Lavender lady which i do not recommend its highly invasive and i have to hack it back I just don't think its flowers are all that nice now that one by the way is vary hardy to zone 5 I'm trying to get some of the good eating kinds but there aways sold out at my favorite on-line nursery
this is the one i want for fruit its a truly sweet and beautiful vine:
Passiflora Edulis Black Beauty produces sweet, delicious purple-black passion fruits. This vine is beautiful but usually is grown for the fruit, that are exceptionally sweet. This vine produced 30 to 40 of these beautiful The vine grows to about 20' and is pretty much pest free.
heres a link to a site that has every thing you could ever want to know about Passiflora this guy is considered just about the most knowledgeable Passiflora researcher in the world
Passiflora - Passion flowers - Passion flower (http://www.passionflow.co.uk/index.htm)
now i have had some trouble with this Lady's seeds but ever one els tells me there vary fresh so you decide for your self
Edible Passion Vines Edulis Alata Black Beauty Flavicarpa Granadilla Incarnata maypop Mollissima Panama Red Quadrangularis (http://www.georgiavines.com/passiflora/edible.html)
lorax
04-23-2009, 08:29 AM
Pauly, they sell Black Beauty at the markets here (in fruit form, but still). I'm collecting Passiflora seeds for somebody else - do you want me to save some of that one for you?
Tog Tan
04-23-2009, 10:35 AM
Pauly, they sell Black Beauty at the markets here (in fruit form, but still). I'm collecting Passiflora seeds for somebody else - do you want me to save some of that one for you?
Oi! Me! Me! Me wun Passie sds! :ha:
momoese
04-23-2009, 01:31 PM
Pauly, they sell Black Beauty at the markets here (in fruit form, but still). I'm collecting Passiflora seeds for somebody else - do you want me to save some of that one for you?
I'd like to grow that too. If I can't find a plant would mind saving some seeds for me?
lorax
04-23-2009, 03:56 PM
Sure. I buy the fruits by the 25-unit sack when they're at market, so I should end up with lots of seeds!
damaclese
04-23-2009, 05:46 PM
Pauly, they sell Black Beauty at the markets here (in fruit form, but still). I'm collecting Passiflora seeds for somebody else - do you want me to save some of that one for you?
sure if you think it can get here in the USA ok?
lorax
04-23-2009, 06:17 PM
If I send you less than 20g of seeds in a regular envelope, both postal systems will treat it like a letter.
island cassie
04-23-2009, 09:18 PM
Lorax - importing seeds into the USA through the US postal system is banned, and they check for them. I have had a number of small packages of small seeds destroyed - ask Mskitty et al! Unbelievable but true!
lorax
04-24-2009, 12:59 AM
Maybe that's what happened to your squash seeds. Dorks.
Tog Tan
04-24-2009, 01:34 AM
Lorax - importing seeds into the USA through the US postal system is banned, and they check for them. I have had a number of small packages of small seeds destroyed - ask Mskitty et al! Unbelievable but true!
I had pretty good luck getting sds in a padded envelope to some of the guys on the board in different parts of US. Just don't over do it and don't bother to list the content of the envelope.
Cassie, so far, there's no problem getting sds into M'sia. You want to send me some? :ha::ha::ha:
alpha010
04-24-2009, 05:44 AM
Pauly, they sell Black Beauty at the markets here (in fruit form, but still). I'm collecting Passiflora seeds for somebody else - do you want me to save some of that one for you?
If you are willing to do this for whom-ever crosses this thread.....put me down for and "envelope" please!!!
I just recently purchased P. incarnata seeds online and hope they are what they say they are and by memorial day next year I'll have some good chain-link fence beautifier.
island cassie
04-26-2009, 12:14 AM
Hey Tog - tell me what you would like seed-wise and I will see what I can do. Atm the balsa is shedding seed, and I also have some yellow flame tree seeds. My passieflora vitifolia has seed pods too but they are not ripe yet. I am going to England in May and can post them from there. Also a small green-flowered aerial orchid has seed pods which will go to waste and be left to do their thing.
Lorax - I think that must be the case as nothing has arrived!! Thanks for the thought!
harveyc
05-03-2009, 09:21 PM
Most small seed shipments to the USA that I've heard about have made it here okay.
A friend got a small seed lot import permit which is easy but then trying to get correct information on compliance was difficult.
Patty in Wisc
05-06-2009, 10:32 PM
I sent key lime seeds to a guy in Netherlands & he sent me cherimoya seeds in padded envelope - no problem.
harveyc
05-06-2009, 10:50 PM
Patty, why did you get cherimoya seeds from the Netherlands rather than California? You can get 5 pounds of fruit with lots of seeds for $18 plus shipping of something like $9.30 at cherimoya.com (http://www.cherimoya.com/index.php4?URL=ordering/ordering.php4) (you may need to have an account to access that page). Or order some white sapote while you're at it and have them shipped in a large flat rate box and plant those seeds also! :)
How log does it usually take for passionfruit seeds to germinate? I've had only 4 out of 20 germinate after about 3-4 weeks but I don't think they were very fresh.
Patty in Wisc
05-06-2009, 11:28 PM
In '02 someone posted on a forum (GW?) that he wanted the lime seeds for trade. I don't know why, but he said you can't find key limes in Netherlands. He asked if I'd like cherimoya seeds. I never heard of cherimoya. He sent me a link telling how to grow them & pics. We don't see them around here -no one here heard of them & I was fascinated so, they only cost me postage. Now I have 3 that should fruit this year! I gave away some for trade too.
I planted my P fruit seeds fresh from a fruit I bought in store. They germinated very fast. Maybe your seeds were not so fresh :(
harveyc
05-06-2009, 11:42 PM
Wait a minute Patty!!! Cherimoya fruiting in Wisconsin??? I want to see pictures!!!!
Patty in Wisc
05-06-2009, 11:49 PM
LOL Harvey. Almost like trying to get a Ice Cream to fruit here:)
harveyc
05-06-2009, 11:50 PM
I think you should try mangosteen next! :P
Patty in Wisc
05-06-2009, 11:57 PM
Don't know what that is! So, maybe I will try that too LOL.
Wisconsin grown mangosteen, banana & cherimoya!!! WOOHOO
Tog Tan
05-07-2009, 12:00 AM
I think you should try mangosteen next! :P
You people want some sds of a very nice cultivar from here? It was developed by the govt's agri research dept (I think the only thing they ever did right in their existence).
It has a slight strawberry-like sharp butt instead of being totally round. Taste very sweet and especially nice and kinda crunchy just before ripening. When totally ripen, it's really nice. I have a couple of trees of this cultivar but the season will be around the next 2 mths or so.
This is not a joke.....
harveyc
05-07-2009, 12:07 AM
You people want some sds of a very nice cultivar from here? It was developed by the govt's agri research dept (I think the only thing they ever did right in their existence).
It has a slight strawberry-like sharp butt instead of being totally round. Taste very sweet and especially nice and kinda crunchy just before ripening. When totally ripen, it's really nice. I have a couple of trees of this cultivar but the season will be around the next 2 mths or so.
This is not a joke.....
Will it fruit before I die of old age??? I've thought about trying to grow them in my greenhouse but the humidity gets down to 30% some of the time and I'm not prepared to spend big bucks to try to control the environment in there. However, I do have a friend who is grafting a pulusan for me and I'm going to give a shot at that.
What's the name of this cultivar? I'd like to ask my friend if he knows about it.
By the way, I ate some canned mangosteen fruit with dinner tonight and it was very mediocre! I drank some mangosteen soda pop with lunch today, so you can tell I've got mangosteen on my mind! :D
Patty in Wisc
05-07-2009, 12:10 AM
I would LOVE some Tog! It might make me feel better when my big IC dies.
Then Harvey will say "why did you get seeds from Malaysia when you can get fruit here" LOL
OK, I'm picking on you Harvey :)
harveyc
05-07-2009, 12:15 AM
Patty, if you fruit mangosteen in WI, you will be written about for ages! DO IT!!! :P
Tog Tan
05-07-2009, 12:25 AM
I would LOVE some Tog! It might make me feel better when my big IC dies.
Then Harvey will say "why did you get seeds from Malaysia when you can get fruit here" LOL
OK, I'm picking on you Harvey :)
Ok, Patty, will send you some including the Pulasan X Rambutan hybrid. Btw, Mangosteen is called Manggis here in the Malay language. Do you know what Rambutan means?
Key Words
Rambut = Hair
Hutan = Jungle
So it is literally Hairy Jungle Fruit.
Will it fruit before I die of old age??? I've thought about trying to grow them in my greenhouse but the humidity gets down to 30% some of the time and I'm not prepared to spend big bucks to try to control the environment in there. However, I do have a friend who is grafting a pulusan for me and I'm going to give a shot at that.
What's the name of this cultivar? I'd like to ask my friend if he knows about it.
By the way, I ate some canned mangosteen fruit with dinner tonight and it was very mediocre! I drank some mangosteen soda pop with lunch today, so you can tell I've got mangosteen on my mind! :D
Canned? Yuk! You gotta have it fresh off the tree. I don't know the name of this cultivar as it was developed by MARDI and came in with a number. I think you can get it to fruit by the 5th year or so. Francis got like a bunch of them some years ago and they fruit well each year and we don't even give it any fert. This is the only fruit I eat from my nursery and I give very specific instructions that no one gets any till I have my fill! And I can eat alot.
As for Pulasan, no one did a good job on the development of the cultivar. The wild strains are the best. They taste totally different form the cultivars. However, wild Pulasan takes at least 10+ yrs to fruit from sd, now that's in its natural environment. Can't imagine over at your place. We have the Pulasan X Rambutan hybrid which is very nice but it can't beat the original real stuff. Looks like a Pulasan but bigger and taste in between the two. Whoever claims they are selling the real deal in town, all I need is to take a bite and give the guy hell. The people now only know of it as a cultivar.
Maybe you can grow the Mangosteen for fun since it is a tough plant.
harveyc
05-07-2009, 01:27 AM
Hey, the canned fruit was mediocre, but I had to try it when I saw it at the Chinese market where I went for the black beans for Michael. Not bad, but definitely not great!!!
alpha010
05-07-2009, 05:20 AM
Tog makes me zone envy/jealous, Harvey makes me culturally envy/jealous.
It is sad, the closest chinatown to me or anywhere that doesn't sell ONLY bananas, apples, oranges, pineapples, lemons and limes is over 400 miles away. The only thing I have ever seen in the markets around here that is even remotely tropical was a drink made from acai, mangosteen and blueberry. verdict on that was bad, zero sweetness and very thick. Took one sip and threw it away.
Tog Tan
05-07-2009, 05:38 AM
Since we are already off track; are you people familiar with this fruit, the Rollinia mucosa aka Biriba? It's from the Brazilian-Peruvian Amazon area.
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17137&ppuser=3823><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17137&size=1 border=0></a>
I like it cos it weird looking like a big yellow durian. The pulp is creamy and not overly sweet. I found one at the local market sometime back and saved some sds for germn. I have a bunch of them now still in the com-pot and am too lazy to transplant them.
alpha010
05-07-2009, 05:47 AM
THAT, looks like a banana ball! what kind of flavor to that and how big does that tree/shrub/bush need to be to fruit? I wish I lived in tropics!
harveyc
05-07-2009, 06:53 AM
Tog makes me zone envy/jealous, Harvey makes me culturally envy/jealous.
It is sad, the closest chinatown to me or anywhere that doesn't sell ONLY bananas, apples, oranges, pineapples, lemons and limes is over 400 miles away. The only thing I have ever seen in the markets around here that is even remotely tropical was a drink made from acai, mangosteen and blueberry. verdict on that was bad, zero sweetness and very thick. Took one sip and threw it away.
Hey, Shaggy, thanks for making me feel cultured! LOL
We do have some interesting markets here but also some really weird (IMO) people! I'd like to send some of those fruits your way! LOL
I may go to visit some close friends in Cincinnati this summer and want to check out Jungle Jim's (or something like that) which I read about once. Sounds like an interesting market.
Today I'll be taking my son to the hospital in Oakland and I'm hoping that afterwords my wife will let me drop by the very interesting market Berkeley Bowl. It's in Berkeley or, as some of us say, Bezerkeley, but they sell about 8 kinds of bananas and have a produce section that's about 75' x 200'.
Tog, I believe I've seen a picture of that fruit in a Yahoo group with a different kind of weird folks (like me) from around the world. I've never seen one in person, though.
Cheers,
Harvey
damaclese
05-07-2009, 07:04 AM
iv lost track of what we are talking about some were the last i new tog was offering me seeds then every one wanted them and now we have wired pictures of fruit iv never see before?
harveyc
05-07-2009, 07:11 AM
Hey, Paulo, here's a quick summery. It was Beth (lorax) who offered to send you seeds, not Tog, but Tog wanted some of the passiflora seeds also. Then we started sharing experiences in sending seeds and got into talking about some of these other fruits which have resulted from seed sharing, etc.
You better follow-up with Beth, though, since I don't know if you ever responded to her offer.
Over and out,
Harvey
Tog Tan
05-07-2009, 07:36 AM
THAT, looks like a banana ball! what kind of flavor to that and how big does that tree/shrub/bush need to be to fruit? I wish I lived in tropics!
Hey Shaggy, it tastes like an annona but to me it's more buttery and not too sweet. Nice. It didn't make it as a commercial crop cos of it's short shelf life. It gets to be as big as an American football. The tree gets to be 40ft tall and is supposed to fruit by the 3rd yr after planting. I paid just under $3 for the fruit in the pix. You can see my hand for size comparison.
Harv, thanks for the Rare Fruits link. I am not a fruit guy but I grew this out of curiosity. I think it looks real cool! If we were to start a new thread on Tropical Fruits, I think you guys will enjoy it cos together with Thailand we do have heck lots of weird and nice eating stuff. At our nursery before I teamed up with Francis, he has like more than 10 different types of fruits of which I didn't care less. He started with about 300 Nangka aka Jackfruit trees.
Lastly, some notes on Wild Rambutan species, Nephelium lappaceum ;
There are like about 10 different species of the original jungle plant in M'sia. All of them have small sour tasting fruits with a thin pulp.
The thing I hate about harvesting rambutans is that they are always full of the Kerannga Ants aka Weaver Ants, Oecophylla smaragdina. When you harvest the fruits, they will be all over you and you will experience pain from every direction. In Thailand, they introduce this ant species to the rambutan cultivars as a natural pesticide. Within the the tree, they make nests out of dried leaves and they are everywhere! They will attack and eat any other insect which comes into its domain. Over there the eggs of these ants is considered a delicacy. I have eaten it, well, so-so in taste except they make a cute pop-pop in the mouth. :ha:
alpha010
05-07-2009, 08:05 AM
Harvey, my mom makes trips to Cincy every 6 months or so...I'll have to send her down there with a cooler to bring me some goodies back from jungle jim's. I'd go myself but thats still a 5 hours or so drive for me each way. I'd be happy to take shipments (small) of exotic fruits! My wife will hate me but, oh well....
Tog, you lost me at "Hey Shaggy" and picked me back up at "size of American Football"! LOL! I have never had an annona that I am aware of. Only exotic fruit (to me at least) I have ever eaten is caimito (star apple), carambola (star fruit), asian guava, mangos. Anything outside of those is alien to me. I do know what MOST of the exotics are just never tasted them due to the ignorant prices to even get 5 lbs. of fruit shipped directly to my house. But if shipped to me by a nice shopper....Harvey....I am willing to try any type of fruit or veggie except for durian (weak stomach for things that smell like carrion and rotten flesh). Ant eggs, very interesting, didnt know they get big enough to even make a snack out of them. Might have to try them one time, or just go to Malaysia and have you sit me blindfolded behind a table with a big pile of different Malay foods.
harveyc
05-07-2009, 09:05 AM
Hey Shaggy, Frieda's Finest is one online vendor with some interesting and exotic offerings. It even appears there must be a glut of mangosteen and they are running a sale and run only about $3 per fruit! :ha: Frieda's Inc. - The Specialty Produce Company (http://www.friedas.com/index.cfm?show=mart_detail&id=245) I've bought the imported ones a couple of times in the Bay Area markets and they were very good. A friend who had bought some at these same markets bought some from Frieda last year and he said they were the best he had had.
alpha010
05-07-2009, 09:18 AM
Can't wait to show mama the my newest food bill! Thanks Harv! I usually order from Robert Is Here out of Homestead, FL but I can't order online only by phone, but they have some good stuff given the proper season.
Tog Tan
05-07-2009, 09:23 AM
Hey Shaggy, Frieda's Finest is one online vendor with some interesting and exotic offerings. It even appears there must be a glut of mangosteen and they are running a sale and run only about $3 per fruit! :ha: .
This is scary, it's like approx $ 1.40 - 2.20 per kilo here, about 12-16 fruits! Works out to be about 8 - 15 cents each. And I call it expensive. I always eat at least 40 fruits at a single sitting which what? Makes me scoffing $120 at a time??? :ha:
So what's the price of Rambutans? Any idea? In M'sia it's approx $1 - 1.40 per kg. The cheapest I paid at the Thai side of the Cambodian border was less than 9 cents a kilo. On top of the cheap price, it's all you can eat sampling. No one ever complains how many you can eat on the spot.
harveyc
05-07-2009, 09:37 AM
Yeah Tog, I know of folks that talk about eating the cheap fruits like crazy when traveling in Thailand or wherever. I've bought rambutan a couple of times (non-irradiated fruit from Guatemala) and think it was something like $5-$6/pound. I buy less than a pound at a time when I buy them so it's not too extreme.
None of the mangosteens I've purchased have had gambouge though I've heard that is often a problem and not detectable from exterior appearances. Is it much of a problem there? Do you think it's related to wind damage or some other cause?
Tog Tan
05-07-2009, 10:04 AM
None of the mangosteens I've purchased have had gambouge though I've heard that is often a problem and not detectable from exterior appearances. Is it much of a problem there? Do you think it's related to wind damage or some other cause?
Is the gambouge you are referring to the yellowish stuff in the fruit? This is a term we don't use here.
harveyc
05-07-2009, 10:17 AM
I guess it's spelled gamboge.
MANGOSTEEN (http://www.fruitipedia.com/Mangosteen.htm) says it's latex.
Mangosteen: insect pest and disease management (http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/horticulture/5451.html) says it is a yellow latex.
I have not seen it, only heard of it as a disorder which sometimes renders fruits worthless.
Tog Tan
05-07-2009, 10:27 AM
I guess it's spelled gamboge.
MANGOSTEEN (http://www.fruitipedia.com/Mangosteen.htm) says it's latex.
Mangosteen: insect pest and disease management (http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/horticulture/5451.html) says it is a yellow latex.
I have not seen it, only heard of it as a disorder which sometimes renders fruits worthless.
Ahhh.. the yucky stuff which is in the fruit! I don't know the cause of it and it's something we accept here since the fruit is so cheap. We just throw them away. I think it's a naturally occurring condition and has nothing to do with wind or physical mishandling. I will ask around but I think I won't find a decent answer.
Some of the fruits on the other hand have the pulp turn a crystalline like. This, the locals consider very good eating.
lorax
05-07-2009, 10:31 AM
I've never had an annona, wtf?
We distinguish between two annonas down here - Chirimoya and Guayabana. The former is sometimes called Custard Apple, and the latter is Soursop; they're delicacy fruits here and since they don't ship well once they're ripe (and ripen very quickly), they don't make it to foreign markets.
Chirimoya are best eaten chilled to the point of making the flesh a bit slushy, at which point they taste quite like gourmet vanilla ice-cream. I have a German friend down here who refers to them as "Hagen-Dasz Fruits"
Guayabana are best juiced; the flavour is a complex bouquet of tropical fruits with a hint of bitter and sour.
This is a Chirimoya of the 'Cariamanga' strain. It's about the size of a softball.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh196/HabloPorArboles/Chirifruit.jpg
Other cultivars here are either more spiky or more indented on the surface.
This is a Guayabana; it's about the size of a football.
http://www.hotelsantacruz.com/turismo/images/guanabana.jpg
These are always spiky; if I'm buying one at market I bring a special kind of macrame bag made especially for transporting Guayabanas. However, I normally just purchase bags of pre-extracted pulp because they're an absolute beast to de-seed.
So what's the price of Rambutans? Any idea?
About $1 a pound in the highlands, and significantly less on the coast. I bought a case of rambutan from a local farmer for $3, and it had about 300 fruits in it, so I'd say that the highland vendors are definitely inflating the price.
Biribia!
OMG, just saw that. I need to read the whole thread when I check in, lol! Biribia here are extremely tasty, sort of a creamy pineapple and lime flavour and they're very easy to grow; easier than Chirimoya, which needs to be able to see snow in the distance to fruit properly. They're not exclusive to Brazil, though; Biribia occur naturally in our Upper Amazon as well.
Tog Tan
05-07-2009, 11:26 AM
Hey Beth, we only have the protruding scale like Custard Apple here. I am pretty amazed by the smooth skinned type which I have seen on the net and from your pix.
Our Soursop look more like an elongated durian. In Malay, it's called Durian Belanda, which loosely translates to Farang Durian.
Btw, there are like 2 or 3 cultivars of the Custard Apple and 1 of the Soursop here. Kinda boring, ha? The Aussie Custard Apple which are imported cost as much as $15(!) a pc compared to the local ones which is like 60 cents to $1 each. It's bigger and supposed to be sweeter (I think not).
alpha010
05-07-2009, 12:01 PM
Beth and Tog, you guys happen to have a spare bedroom I can stay in for a week or so to soak up the tropics?....lol.
lorax
05-07-2009, 12:04 PM
We consider the very protuding scale Chirimoya here to be inferior in flavour; basically the most desirable ones (which sell for about $2 each) are the size of softballs and have indented scales. The 'Cariamanga,' with its slightly indented scales, is considered to be the best of the South, and the 'Guayllabamba,' which is heavily indented, is the best of the North. Personally, I'm addicted to the Southern ones, as this is where I encountered them first. I find the 'Guayllabamba' ones to be almost insipid they're so sweet.
There are actually four types of Guayabana here, ranging from smallish with very shallow and rounded spikes, right through to gigantic (5kg) with long, sharp spikes; these last ones remind me of Durian in shape. The larger the Guayabana, the worse it smells when you open it; once you get past that, like Durian, it's fantastic.
lorax
05-07-2009, 12:06 PM
Shaggy, I don't have a spare bedroom, but I have friends who own hotels. The most expensive part of a holiday in Ecuador is your airfare, and if you can make it to Miami even that is not so bad.
Tog Tan
05-07-2009, 12:12 PM
There are actually four types of Guayabana here, ranging from smallish with very shallow and rounded spikes, right through to gigantic (5kg) with long, sharp spikes; these last ones remind me of Durian in shape. The larger the Guayabana, the worse it smells when you open it; once you get past that, like Durian, it's fantastic.
Does the Guayabana need a cooling period like the Cherimoya to flower and fruit?
alpha010
05-07-2009, 12:28 PM
Shaggy, I don't have a spare bedroom, but I have friends who own hotels. The most expensive part of a holiday in Ecuador is your airfare, and if you can make it to Miami even that is not so bad.
Hmm.... Miami shouldn't be too hard to get to. I may just have to setup a vacation with the old lady next year to visit Ecuador. At least I might have a nice guide and translator!
harveyc
05-07-2009, 12:47 PM
Beth, is there any concern with the neurological effects of annonacin there? There's a much higher rate among some groups of people that eat soursop and make tea from its leaves, but cherimoya and pawpaw also contain the chemical.
Tog Tan
05-07-2009, 12:57 PM
Beth, is there any concern with the neurological effects of annonacin there? There's a much higher rate among some groups of people that eat soursop and make tea from its leaves, but cherimoya and pawpaw also contain the chemical.
Yea, I did hear about the crazy-fruit syndrome thingy but it is not an issue here at all. In fact no one ever brings it up with regards to these fruits. Here it is highly regarded as a cancer retardant but no one makes tea out of its leaves.
Is that what makes her so...you know what I mean..?
lorax
05-07-2009, 02:33 PM
If they're really going to be red, they're most likely P. manicata
Harvey, to feel any detrimental effects of Annonaicin I'd have to be eating 5 Chirimoyas a day, plus two Guayabanas, and drinking the tea. At the rate at which most people here consume Chirimoya and Guayabana (ie on occasion, one fruit at a sitting) there is absolutely no danger. The islanders who went crazy ate it every day, and ate the leaves, and used the crushed seeds as medicine.
lorax
05-07-2009, 02:35 PM
Does the Guayabana need a cooling period like the Cherimoya to flower and fruit?
Not that I'm aware of. The biggest ones come from the deep jungle on the Amazon side.
harveyc
05-07-2009, 11:41 PM
Harvey, to feel any detrimental effects of Annonaicin I'd have to be eating 5 Chirimoyas a day, plus two Guayabanas, and drinking the tea. At the rate at which most people here consume Chirimoya and Guayabana (ie on occasion, one fruit at a sitting) there is absolutely no danger. The islanders who went crazy ate it every day, and ate the leaves, and used the crushed seeds as medicine.
Beth, it's been a while since I've read up on the latest reports on annonacin, but I was previously unable to find anything with sufficient details to give me any sort of comfortable feeling about the consumption of the Annona fruits.
I previously met Richard in another discussion forum where this was a topic he had commented on. In private e-mail, he indicated something to the effect that published reports provided adequate support that consumption of these fruits was risky. I remember asking for a source to support such comments but never received a reply. So I sit on the fence, not having evidence to support believing those that indicate consumption is safe nor those that indicate such consumption is unsafe.
Dr. Kirk Pomper of Kentucky State University has done some work in this area with pawpaw fairly recently and I corresponded with him a year ago. He considered the risk to be enough to support identifying pawpaw cultivars that were the lowest in annonacin compounds. I have had some pawpaw seedlings for a few years but haven't decided if I wanted to keep them and graft them. If I do keep them, I'll probably graft them to the Sunflower and/or Wells cultivars.
Thanks,
Harvey
lorax
05-07-2009, 11:49 PM
Harvey, what I'm going on is that I live in a country where consumption of Annona fruits is a tradition that goes back millenia. Incidences of cancer and other degenerative diseases are lower in Ecuador than in most developing economies, and mental illness beyond hereditary schizophrenia are almost unheard of. Alzheimer's disease and other forms of adult senile dementia are also extremely low. I can give you the links to the social and health statistics for Ecuador, which have been kept since about 1500, if you wish (They're in Spanish, and everything from about 1920 on is online; I have access to the archives and had a curious bent, so I can tell you that only Spaniards here had real problems with mental illnesses, and it is likely that they brought those with them). An average Ecuadorean consumes about 1 Annona fruit a week.
As such, I'm not relying on current scientific studies, but a body of accumulated statistics; the latter makes me far more comfortable, as I am abundantly aware of how scientific experiments can be skewed to produce the results expected by the experimenter.
I consume far less Annona than the average Ecuadorean, as I currently live in the range of a Chirimoya cultivar that I don't enjoy, and seeding a Guayabana is a pain in the neck.
Equally, it may be interesting to you to note that the fruit known simply as "Annona" here isn't eaten; this is the species with the highest count of annonaicins in it, and it tastes horrid. Chirimoya and Guayabana are bred specifically to reduce the bitterness produced by high levels of that chemical.
harveyc
05-07-2009, 11:59 PM
Thanks, Beth. Since they aren't common around here, these fruits all seem a bit unusual to me so that's why some of us start looking at such reports to learn more about them. Certainly, a long history of consumption with the absence of any obviouis health problems, is worth a lot. So, back to my original question, it would seem obvious now that people there are not concerned about annonacin.
One thing I remember finding is that it was difficult to find what parts of the plants even contained the annonacin compounds.
When I metnion "Annona", I was referring to the genus of which cherimoya, soursop, pawpaw, etc. are part of (that's why I capitalized it, but I guess I should have clarified that).
Thanks,
Harvey
lorax
05-08-2009, 12:07 AM
The portions of the plant that contains the Annonaicins are the root, bark, leaf, skin, and seed. The fruit flesh itself contains faint traces of the compounds, but they are extremely miniscule amounts. The cultures that use the ground seed as part of their traditional medicine are generally more suceptable to the degenerative mental states. Here, crushed seeds are used to kill cockroaches.
So, no. Ecuadoreans, Colombians, and Peruvians are not at all concerned about Annonaicin compounds in their fruit, although they're indirectly aware of some of the effects of such, vis a vis the common cockroach poison.
Annona as a group, yes, Chirimoya, Guayabana, etc etc. However, it's also the name in South America of a set of fruits with strongly protruding drupe scales; they look similar to Chirimoyas but they're much bumpier. They have horrid, bitter flesh, and a high concentration of Annonaicin compounds in all parts of the plant, flesh included. Since the other members of the family are much tastier, they're not considered to be food; even the monkeys reject them. They seem to be eaten by ants when they fall off the tree and rot, and occasionally by tapir, but not much else.
sunfish
05-09-2009, 09:54 PM
Anyone know if any of these passion vines would produce fruit growing in an area shaded by bananas.
aurantia
capsularis
foetida
sidaefolia
subrotunda
racemosa buzios
lorax
05-10-2009, 12:29 AM
That's how they're permacultured here; the vines are grown up the psuedostems. P. foetida in particular works very well this way, and so do P. quadrangularis, P. manicata, P. mixto, P. edulis, and Granadillas (Can't recall the latin name for those atm). I see no reason for the others to be any different.
harveyc
05-10-2009, 01:29 AM
Beth, it's P. ligularis. I never heard of it until last month and now have some seedlings which I will try growing here, though it probably gets both too hot and too cold here. I have tentatively decided to let some grow up my redwood trees, figuring that may help protect them from some temperature extremes.
sunfish
05-10-2009, 09:44 AM
I have foetida that's the one I will plant under the bananas. Thanks for the info.
lorax
05-10-2009, 10:27 AM
Harvey, that's a great idea, not only for the shade to protect from temperature swings, but because P. ligularis prefers a more acidic soil than most passionfruits. Mine grow out of a bed specifically prepared for acid plants, because I didn't want to plant a pine so close to my verandah.
If you do get them to go, you'll be pleasantly rewarded; the flowers are stunning and have a really awesome aroma.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh196/HabloPorArboles/Passiflora.jpg
harveyc
05-10-2009, 02:57 PM
Thanks Beth, I had no idea about the acidic soil preference or aroma. How do you like the fruit? What are your temperature ranges?
lorax
05-10-2009, 03:17 PM
My temps range from +10C to +50C over the year; I get about 3m of rain yearly, and they're growing in morning shade, afternoon sun. I prefer Granadilla to every other passiflora but Taxo (P. mixto); it's sweeter and less astringent. I've got some fruits in my fridge; when I juice them I'll take some pix and post them here. They're about the size of softballs, and gold yellow on the outside; the flesh of the seed coverings is sort of beige-ish.
The flowers of P. ligularis are used in traditional medicine here as a sleeping aid; they're cut at night just before they close and a tea is made from them. I've personally tried this (insomniac) and it works miracles.
sunfish
05-10-2009, 05:43 PM
Grafting passion vines.can this be done. I have started many quadrangularis from seed they grow fine here in the summer but wont take the winter.Can I graft to a more cold hardy vine.
harveyc
05-10-2009, 06:22 PM
Thanks, Beth. That's amazing - I would never have guessed that you would get up to 50c!! Pete has started some seeds also and has a hard time sleeping so it would be worth trying the flowers as you've described.
Tony, so you think it's the roots that suffer during colder winters? If I grafted onto an eduilis do you think igularis could survive temperatures down to 28F or slightly less?
sunfish
05-10-2009, 07:14 PM
That is what I was wondering. I know passion vines can be grafted. So how about ligularis onto caerulea. Maybe Joe Real would know. It would be nice to grow some of the more tropical fruits.
lorax
05-10-2009, 07:21 PM
Harvey - my map coordinates say "Quito" which, at 12,000 feet above sea level, never gets that hot, however my gardens are in Loja (9,000 feet) and Puyo (3,280 feet), which do. Loja's tropical dry forest (a fancy way of saying semidesert), and Puyo is transitional upper Amazon cloudforest. Of the two, Puyo probably gets hotter, but it's relieved by the 5pm rainshower. Loja doesn't get rain between May and September, and lacks the humidity of the Amazon town. I've given up on keeping bananas alive there, except permacultured into heavily shaded areas.
Tony - It should be able to be splint-grafted successfully on woody portions of the vine; I've never tried it (never had the need). It's the rootstock that determines hardiness, so it's definitely worth a try.
This said, you can also grow P. quadrangularis in pots, supported on tripods, and bring the whole schmoo indoors for the winter. They'll go dormant or near-dormant, but you don't have to worry about them freezing. Quadrangularis is native to the forests above Puyo, and you're bang-on about it being tender. That area never drops below +15C.
The one caveat I'd have about grafting is to be sure you're matching flower types. If you have any of the "banana" passionfruits, they should be grafted to other "banana" vines, and the globes to the globes. IE, I wouldn't try grafting P. manicata to P. caerulia stock.
This is P. mixto, an example of what I'm talking about for the flowers of "banana" type passion vines.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh196/HabloPorArboles/PassifloraMixto.jpg
sunfish
05-10-2009, 07:40 PM
Great information. P.Alata does really good here in my area. Alata to quadrangularis would be my best bet. Thanks
island cassie
05-10-2009, 07:57 PM
Bete, Tony and Beth - here I have P Vitifolia which is a gorgeous red and has taken over all the neighbour's gardens as it grows 60ft in length. The seeds I bought from Jungle Seeds weren't very fresh as only 1 germinated, but that 1 plant has colonized the neighbourhood. Each year we hack it back to about 10 ft and although it staggers a bit, it comes back - a gorgeous monster! It rarely sets seed but I have a seed pod on it now - see my gallery!
lorax
05-10-2009, 08:31 PM
Is the vitifolia edible, Cassie? They look like little watermelons!
This is Taxo, from P. mixto, which I mentioned on the last page.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17218&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17218)
sunfish
05-10-2009, 08:56 PM
I have a vitifolia and tripartita mollisima ,banana tacso.
lorax
05-10-2009, 11:41 PM
Tacso = Taxo. Try it with milk products, it really helps the flavour. BTW, "Taxo" is the generic Spanish catchall term for the banana passionfruits.
sunfish
05-30-2010, 01:52 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32247&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32247&ppuser=2868)
CValentine
05-30-2010, 03:18 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32001&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32001)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32010&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32010)
Really starting to go Passi-CRAZY!! I only have 2 p. caerulea vines...one is really little.
They were volunteers, I am hoping that they fruit - but the Gulf Frit are visiting them, so maybe not...
I cannot find any fresh fruits locally to start trying to germinate.
I bought a pack of & am trying to germinate some p. incarnata.
I did the 24 hr soak & some in the Orange juice soak & I have read that it still can take a while to pop.
I bought a Scarlet Passiflora vine on a trellis 2 weeks ago & have all kinds of new growth. No flowers though.
Am looking for other Passi plants to run along my SW fenceline, the different varieties produce such diverse & beautiful flowers!!!
Love the pics everyone!!! :) ~Cheryl
Dalmatiansoap
05-30-2010, 03:28 PM
Haha Che, same as with Bananas, U get "infected" in a hipp:ha:
I recived Passiflora seeds from sunfish some time ago and now I have beautifull and shiny green vines everywere. They are pretty easy to grow from the seeds
edulis
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/dalmatiansoap/DD084.jpg
caeruela
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/dalmatiansoap/DD082.jpg
whan can I hope to see flowers? next year?
Abnshrek
05-30-2010, 03:29 PM
Cheryl got a critter on pic #2 Caterpillar critter :^)
sunfish
05-30-2010, 03:37 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32001&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32001)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32010&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32010)
Really starting to go Passi-CRAZY!! I only have 2 p. caerulea vines...one is really little.
They were volunteers, I am hoping that they fruit - but the Gulf Frit are visiting them, so maybe not...
I cannot find any fresh fruits locally to start trying to germinate.
I bought a pack of & am trying to germinate some p. incarnata.
I did the 24 hr soak & some in the Orange juice soak & I have read that it still can take a while to pop.
I bought a Scarlet Passiflora vine on a trellis 2 weeks ago & have all kinds of new growth. No flowers though.
Am looking for other Passi plants to run along my SW fenceline, the different varieties produce such diverse & beautiful flowers!!!
Love the pics everyone!!! :) ~Cheryl
There should be lots of bee's working the flower's if not try to hand pollinate with a small brush or Q-TIP
sunfish
05-30-2010, 03:46 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32257&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32257&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32256&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32256&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32255&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32255&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32254&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32254&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32253&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32253&ppuser=2868)
Jananas Bananas
05-31-2010, 09:44 PM
Here are a couple I have in East Texas:
Passiflora Caerulea
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=21080&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21080)
Passiflora incarnata
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=21084&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21084)
And here are some vines I have here in Central Texas - no flowers yet:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32362&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32362&ppuser=5614)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32363&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32363&ppuser=5614)
~JaNan
The Hollyberry Lady
05-31-2010, 10:21 PM
Here's my seed grown Caerulea passiflora vine from last season that I grew in a container up a trellis...
http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/hollyberrylady08/426-3.jpg
I pruned it back in Fall and protected it over winter - it's now growing again this season. I will have flowers and fruits for the first time this year.
: )
sunfish
06-02-2010, 07:19 PM
Hope to get flowers this summer
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32400&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32400&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
06-18-2010, 07:18 PM
Fruit
Bellotti
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32972&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32972&ppuser=2868)
Frederick's
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32971&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32971&ppuser=2868)
Edulis
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32970&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32970&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
06-22-2010, 03:07 PM
Unknown about to bloom
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33105&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33105&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
06-25-2010, 07:00 PM
Pictures from the book Passionflowers of the World
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33261&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33261&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33262&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33262&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33263&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33263&ppuser=2868)
Dalmatiansoap
06-26-2010, 03:29 AM
BTW first sprout on mollissima
:nanadrink:
sunfish
06-26-2010, 08:25 AM
BTW first sprout on mollissima
:nanadrink:
Were this seed I sent ?
Dalmatiansoap
06-26-2010, 04:11 PM
Were this seed I sent ?
Here it is
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33303&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33303&ppuser=4565)
:woohoonaner:
sunfish
06-26-2010, 04:25 PM
Here it is
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33303&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33303&ppuser=4565)
:woohoonaner:
I haven't gotten any to sprout.What;s going on here.
sunfish
06-26-2010, 05:07 PM
Unknown about to bloom
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33105&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33105&ppuser=2868)
Just opened
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33307&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33307&ppuser=2868)
Now to figure out the variety
Dalmatiansoap
06-26-2010, 05:10 PM
looking great
:nanadrink:
sunfish
06-26-2010, 05:38 PM
Just opened
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33307&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33307&ppuser=2868)
Now to figure out the variety
Passiflora Laurifolia
sunfish
06-27-2010, 11:45 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33326&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33326&ppuser=2868)
Dalmatiansoap
06-27-2010, 12:16 PM
babaco?
sunfish
06-27-2010, 12:30 PM
babaco?
Babaco,passion vine and bananas
saltydad
06-27-2010, 07:28 PM
Basic P. incarnata, but still stunning.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33354&size=1
sunfish
06-29-2010, 08:30 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33406&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33406&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33404&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33404&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
06-29-2010, 04:26 PM
Frederick's
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33417&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33417&ppuser=2868)
Dalmatiansoap
06-29-2010, 05:10 PM
Found them today while fixing lines in near by village
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33422&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33422&ppuser=4565)
sunfish
07-03-2010, 04:47 PM
Coral Glow
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33691&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33691&ppuser=2868)
Vitifolia
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33688&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33688&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33689&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33689&ppuser=2868)
island cassie
07-03-2010, 07:50 PM
Haha Tony! That Vitifolia can be a monster! We have to keep hacking it back as the vines grow over 60ft long, and end up all over the house next door. Pretty plant though and the hummingbirds love it.
sunfish
07-03-2010, 08:13 PM
Haha Tony! That Vitifolia can be a monster! We have to keep hacking it back as the vines grow over 60ft long, and end up all over the house next door. Pretty plant though and the hummingbirds love it.
I have most of mine in containers,learned my lesson with Cerulea. I've got so many things growing I have to crawl to get to some of them.
IndianaSue
07-03-2010, 09:03 PM
Saltydad,
Basic or not, THAT is gorgeous!!!! I'd take one of those anyday!! Just beautiful! The rest are beautiful too!!
saltydad
07-04-2010, 12:50 AM
Thanks Sue. They really are. The maypop has about taken over one garden along my fence line, and we keep mowing the shoots that pop up all over the lawn. Be careful what you wish for. LOL
harveyc
07-04-2010, 01:26 AM
It's a bit hard to understand, but I've got a friend in SoCal who is growing a P. incarta which came from Brazlian seeds but it's not cold hardy and he must grow it in his greenhouse. I've not tasted the fruit but he and others have said it's got a pineapple taste and he said it's known also as a pineapple passionfruit. I haven't done much searching yet, but haven't found anything on it.
Abnshrek
07-04-2010, 02:57 AM
Harvey the closest thing I found was.. Passiflora incarnata (Maypop)
island cassie
07-04-2010, 01:36 PM
I have most of mine in containers,learned my lesson with Cerulea. I've got so many things growing I have to crawl to get to some of them.
Yep I know what you mean!! Back in England I had 13 or 14 varieties growing in containers under glass and that slowed them down some thank goodness. Saw a beautiful specimen of P. Quadrangularis for sale yesterday, but fortunately common sense prevailed and I didn't buy it. Once that got going we would be forced to machete our way out of the house.
(Oops! don't know how that happened!)
harveyc
07-05-2010, 01:34 AM
Harvey the closest thing I found was.. Passiflora incarnata (Maypop)
Sorry, it was late, I meant P. incarnata. But Maypop is always referred to as a hardy species whereas these Brazilian P. incarnata are not hardy. I'm going to try to get seeds or cuttings from my friend's plant later this year to try it myself.
sunfish
07-05-2010, 11:01 AM
Passiflora Laurifolia
Another flower and fruit forming on the first flower
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33734&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33734&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33733&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33733&ppuser=2868)
saltydad
07-05-2010, 12:09 PM
Tony- that Passiflora Laurifolia is stunning.!
The Hollyberry Lady
07-05-2010, 12:14 PM
I second that - just gorgeous, Tony! :goteam:
: )
sunfish
07-05-2010, 01:11 PM
Thanks. There are many more that are just amazing.
harveyc
07-10-2010, 12:30 PM
Will it fruit before I die of old age??? I've thought about trying to grow them in my greenhouse but the humidity gets down to 30% some of the time and I'm not prepared to spend big bucks to try to control the environment in there. However, I do have a friend who is grafting a pulusan for me and I'm going to give a shot at that.
What's the name of this cultivar? I'd like to ask my friend if he knows about it.
By the way, I ate some canned mangosteen fruit with dinner tonight and it was very mediocre! I drank some mangosteen soda pop with lunch today, so you can tell I've got mangosteen on my mind! :D
I don't think anybody obtained seeds of this mangosteen variety since Tog had a crop failure and shocked us with his death a short while after this discussion last spring. I've got a friend from Puerto Rico who is touring around Malaysia right now (he's staying tonight in Kuala Lumpur, where Tog lived) and will ask about this variety tomorrow. Maybe he'll find it and be able to bring seeds back to his nursery in PR and one day I'll be able to try the same fruit Tog wrote about. :)
harveyc
07-10-2010, 12:43 PM
Back onto the subject of passionfruit. I know that Tony has had problems growing P. ligularis but wonder if anyone in a subtropical climate is growing it successfully. My plant is doing better in my greenhouse now that I've starting misting four times a day.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33951&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33951&ppuser=775)
sunfish
07-14-2010, 01:55 PM
Passiflora Laurifolia
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34133&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34133&ppuser=2868)
palmtree
07-14-2010, 06:35 PM
Sorry if this has been asked, but how much sun do these vines like? Mine is only in partial sun. I just bought it and Im not even sure which one I have but I see some buds so I should know soon. Also has anyone overwintered the cold tolerant varieties in the house over the winter with sucess.
Thanks and I just wanted to say that these pics and the flowers in general are really amazing!
sunfish
07-14-2010, 06:39 PM
Sorry if this has been asked, but how much sun do these vines like? Mine is only in partial sun. I just bought it and Im not even sure which one I have but I see some buds so I should know soon. Also has anyone overwintered the cold tolerant varieties in the house over the winter with sucess.
Thanks and I just wanted to say that these pics and the flowers in general are really amazing!
Most passion vines like full sun. Post a photo maybe someone can identify it.
sunfish
07-15-2010, 08:48 AM
PASSIFLORA ARIDA SHOULD OPEN TODAY
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34161&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34161&ppuser=2868)
ARIZONA NATIVE
palmtree
07-15-2010, 02:24 PM
Heres my new passion vine (and first). If anyone can ID it I would really appreciate it even though I know it might be a little hard to ID without flowers. And do you think its worth moving into full sun or will it still flower well in some shade. It will get some warm weather for sure!
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view¤t=01c58411.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/01c58411.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
sunfish
07-15-2010, 02:42 PM
Looks like Passiflora Cerulea,Blue passion flower
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33725&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33725&si=cerulea&what=allfields&name=sunfish&name=sunfish)
palmtree
07-15-2010, 03:35 PM
Thanks for the ID. And really beautiful plant! Sorry but one more question. Do you think I should keep it in a pot or plant it in the ground. I know these can get a little out of control when they are established!
I really appreciate the help! Thanks again!!!
sunfish
07-15-2010, 03:55 PM
Thanks for the ID. And really beautiful plant! Sorry but one more question. Do you think I should keep it in a pot or plant it in the ground. I know these can get a little out of control when they are established!
I really appreciate the help! Thanks again!!!
If it is cerulea I would leave it in a pot.They will flower just fine in a container. Planted in the ground it will send out roots that will come up all over. It's like Bermuda grass.
palmtree
07-15-2010, 04:08 PM
Thanks a lot! Ill keep it in the ground and I guess if I ever want something that will qucikly cover something, this is the vine! Im really looking forward to the flowers on it!
sunfish
07-15-2010, 04:39 PM
Passiflora Cerulea
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34207&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34207&ppuser=2868)
harveyc
07-16-2010, 01:43 AM
Purple/blue and orange is a beautiful color combination, Tony!
The Hollyberry Lady
07-16-2010, 06:39 AM
Yup, that's definitely "Caerulea", Palmtree! :goteam:
I grew mine from seed last year in a pot and carried it over to this season and it's growing again like crazy. No flowers or fruits the first year, which I was told was normal for new young seed-grown vines. Hoping to get some this year...
: )
sunfish
07-16-2010, 08:13 AM
PASSIFLORA ARIDA SHOULD OPEN TODAY
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34161&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34161&ppuser=2868)
ARIZONA NATIVE
Here it is
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34243&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34243&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
07-16-2010, 01:05 PM
Flower buds forming
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34261&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34261&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
07-16-2010, 01:42 PM
Here it is
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34243&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34243&ppuser=2868)
And now
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34262&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34262&ppuser=2868)
palmtree
07-16-2010, 03:59 PM
Yup, that's definitely "Caerulea", Palmtree! :goteam:
I grew mine from seed last year in a pot and carried it over to this season and it's growing again like crazy. No flowers or fruits the first year, which I was told was normal for new young seed-grown vines. Hoping to get some this year...
: )
Thanks!! Mine is growing so fast. It has some flower buds forming as has put out about 4 inches of growth in 3 days! Im trying to train it to go on a rope. We shall see. Ill share some pics when it blooms which should hopefully be soon!!!
sunfish
07-17-2010, 08:28 PM
And now
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34262&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34262&ppuser=2868)
Hard to see but a fruit is forming
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34377&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34377&ppuser=2868)
Jananas Bananas
07-18-2010, 10:04 AM
I finally have my first passion flower bloom opening. I believe this is the common Incarnata, but still very beautiful.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34407&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34407)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34409&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34409)
With more to come!
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34408&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34408)
~JaNan
sunfish
07-18-2010, 01:43 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34427&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34427&ppuser=2868)
IndianaSue
07-18-2010, 06:24 PM
Wow! Sunfish that one is beautiful!! What is it's name? I've got to get one that color as well as the common Incarnata to start my collection again!
Fabulous!! Thanks for showing it!
Sue
sunfish
07-18-2010, 06:32 PM
Wow! Sunfish that one is beautiful!! What is it's name? I've got to get one that color as well as the common Incarnata to start my collection again!
Fabulous!! Thanks for showing it!
Sue
That's a Ruby Glow
sunfish
07-18-2010, 06:32 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34439&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34439&ppuser=2868)
IndianaSue
07-18-2010, 07:20 PM
Sunfish,
That's just beautiful!!
Jananas Bananas
07-19-2010, 08:21 AM
Passiflora Incarnata
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34467&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34467)
~JaNan
IndianaSue
07-19-2010, 08:36 AM
JaNan,
Yours is beautiful too! That's the other one I have to have!
Simply wonderful!!
Sue
sunfish
07-19-2010, 02:09 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34485&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34485&ppuser=2868)
Jananas Bananas
07-19-2010, 05:50 PM
Thanks Sue! I think they look like alien flowers with all their wild curly ques!
Tony which is that delicate little white one? You have the most incredible collection of passion fruit! Have you eaten all of them? Which tastes the best to you?
~JaNan
sunfish
07-19-2010, 06:07 PM
I am not sure which variety the White one is.I planted 40 or so different varieties and had given up on growing Passiflora last summer because of spidermites,in the greenhouse So I took what I had and started planting them all outdoors thinking they wouldn't survive. Most all made it and once established are pretty hardy. I have twelve different one's flowering right now and another six varieties that haven't flowered yet.
As far as the best tasting Frederick's.
sunfish
07-19-2010, 06:35 PM
Thanks Sue! I think they look like alien flowers with all their wild curly ques!
Tony which is that delicate little white one? You have the most incredible collection of passion fruit! Have you eaten all of them? Which tastes the best to you?
~JaNan
Here it is
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34493&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34493&ppuser=2868)
harveyc
07-19-2010, 07:00 PM
How long for Frederick's flowers to open. I'm getting lots of little buds and keep looking for them to get bigger and open, but I'm impatient. I've only had it in the ground for 2-3 weeks but it's grow maybe 16 inches or so.
sunfish
07-19-2010, 07:08 PM
How long for Frederick's flowers to open. I'm getting lots of little buds and keep looking for them to get bigger and open, but I'm impatient. I've only had it in the ground for 2-3 weeks but it's grow maybe 16 inches or so.
I am guessing from first seeing the SEPALS till they open about two weeks. Frederick's opens around 11am. They are self fertile put it dosen't hurt to go ahead and hand pollinate.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34496&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34496&ppuser=2868)
harveyc
07-19-2010, 10:06 PM
I don't think I even have buds yet, just sepals. I guess I'll know the stages of flowering better once I have my first flower.
sunfish
07-20-2010, 08:00 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34509&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34509&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
07-22-2010, 10:26 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34648&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34648&ppuser=2868)
harveyc
07-23-2010, 12:41 AM
Pete's not posting photos for me to critique so I'll jump on yours and point out you've really blown your highlights, Tony!!! :ha:
I think I now have a dozen or so buds on my Frederick. I hope they open before we go to Nicaragua in mid-August.
My P. ligularis is still hanging in there despite some pretty hot temperatures over the past couple of weeks. Still pretty small, though.
sunfish
07-23-2010, 06:45 AM
I shouldn't of used the flash.
sunfish
07-24-2010, 12:02 PM
Here it is
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34243&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34243&ppuser=2868)
Passiflora Arida fruit
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34700&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34700&ppuser=2868)
Jananas Bananas
07-24-2010, 12:18 PM
Tony are these some sort of passion vine? They are crawlers and don't have the curly que things on them. They look different as they age and I don't want to pull them out if they are. Thanks!
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34704&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34704)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34703&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34703)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34705&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34705)
~JaNan
sunfish
07-24-2010, 12:26 PM
Tony are these some sort of passion vine? They are crawlers and don't have the curly que things on them. They look different as they age and I don't want to pull them out if they are. Thanks!
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34704&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34704)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34703&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34703)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34705&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34705)
~JaNan
don't think there Passiflora. Do you have an update on your Date seedlngs?
Jananas Bananas
07-24-2010, 12:30 PM
Maybe it is poison oak. I'd better google that before I pull them up bare handed. I have some pictures I took either this morning or yesterday of my "mystery Iraq seed date trees"! HA! HA! I will upload them so you can look at them. ~J
harveyc
07-24-2010, 01:02 PM
Maybe it is poison oak. I'd better google that before I pull them up bare handed. I have some pictures I took either this morning or yesterday of my "mystery Iraq seed date trees"! HA! HA! I will upload them so you can look at them. ~J
Off topic, sorry, but I had missed your post about date seedlings. I had heard of someone in Texas (back from Iraq now) who had written about Sadam's Majool (sp?). Is this what you've got started?
sunfish
07-24-2010, 01:21 PM
http://www.bananas.org/f8/can-anyone-id-these-palm-seedlings-11858.html#post131783
Jananas Bananas
07-28-2010, 08:42 AM
I've got fruit! :) OK I know it is going to change color when it ripens. Then what? How do you prepare it, save seeds (dry them or what), make jam or eat fresh? (yes, I KNOW I need more than one for jam, wise guys) Do you eat the seeds also? When I have grown these in the past the fruit is full of air and I didn't have much of anything. Is there a way to store them until the other fruit ripens too?
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34896&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34896)
~JaNan
sunfish
07-28-2010, 08:57 AM
I tape the blades on the blender,to keep the seed from getting chopped up. Put some water in with the fruit and blend. Strain out the seed and save for planting. The juice can be frozen in ice cube trays . You can eat the seed.
harveyc
07-28-2010, 09:02 AM
Yes, eat the seeds and all or add everything to juice, etc. I tried to find a YT vid of a guy I know who was eating some of Tony's fruits last year but looks like he deleted the thread. He and his boy were pigging out on them. Cut them in half and scoop out with a spoon.
Patty in Wisc
07-28-2010, 01:04 PM
Tony are these some sort of passion vine? They are crawlers and don't have the curly que things on them. They look different as they age and I don't want to pull them out if they are. Thanks!
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34704&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34704)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34703&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34703)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34705&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34705)
~JaNan
Janan, those 2 bottom pics look like grape vine.
harveyc
07-28-2010, 02:38 PM
I agree with Patty, but thought it might also be something that looks similar.
sunfish
07-28-2010, 02:58 PM
P.MOLLISSIMA FRUIT
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34922&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34922&ppuser=2868)
P.CAPSULARIS FRUIT
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34921&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34921&ppuser=2868)
harveyc
07-29-2010, 12:43 AM
My Frederick had it's first flower open today. I got this plant from Tony last year and it had been in a pot until I planted it in the ground with my unusual trellis on 26 days ago and it's growing vigorously! :D
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33636&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33636&ppuser=775) When planted July 2, 2010
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34953&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34953&ppuser=775) Today, July 28, 2010
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34954&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34954&ppuser=775) First flower on July 28, 2010
sunfish
07-29-2010, 08:00 PM
My Frederick had it's first flower open today. I got this plant from Tony last year and it had been in a pot until I planted it in the ground with my unusual trellis on 26 days ago and it's growing vigorously! :D
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33636&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33636&ppuser=775) When planted July 2, 2010
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34953&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34953&ppuser=775) Today, July 28, 2010
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=34954&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34954&ppuser=775) First flower on July 28, 2010
Did it open around 11am ?
sunfish
07-29-2010, 08:02 PM
Picked up two new passiflora's,don't remember the varieties,and twenty packets of seeds
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35012&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35012&ppuser=2868)
harveyc
07-29-2010, 08:26 PM
Tony, I've been out in the fields irrigating alfalfa most of the days lately and have no idea when it opened. I think I noticed it around noon or maybe later. Two more opened today but I didn't see them until around 3pm. I think I have 7 more buds that should open soon and I'll try to look more often if I'm around.
Do they always just open for one day?
sunfish
07-29-2010, 08:50 PM
Tony, I've been out in the fields irrigating alfalfa most of the days lately and have no idea when it opened. I think I noticed it around noon or maybe later. Two more opened today but I didn't see them until around 3pm. I think I have 7 more buds that should open soon and I'll try to look more often if I'm around.
Do they always just open for one day?
If it's overcast they will stay open longer,like the Dragon fruit flowers.
saltydad
07-30-2010, 03:55 PM
My flowers only last one day, Harvey (P. incarnata).
harveyc
07-31-2010, 12:32 AM
Thanks, Howard. I guess that's how these will do also. I had two more open today (don't know what time as I was at m other farm an hour away).
Jananas Bananas
07-31-2010, 12:12 PM
I finally have a Frederick sprouting Tony! WooHoo! :woohoonaner:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35069&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35069)
~JaNan
harveyc
07-31-2010, 02:15 PM
Tony, looks like the "clock" on my Fredericks is the same as yours. As of 10:40am this morning, no flowers were open. Checked again at 11:10am and two flowers had opened. I won't be around tomorrow to check (or Portuguese club founded in 1899 is having its annual Holy Ghost Festa tomorrow).
How soon will I likely know if they pollinated? I only assisted in the pollination of one flower thus far.
sunfish
07-31-2010, 02:56 PM
Tony, looks like the "clock" on my Fredericks is the same as yours. As of 10:40am this morning, no flowers were open. Checked again at 11:10am and two flowers had opened. I won't be around tomorrow to check (or Portuguese club founded in 1899 is having its annual Holy Ghost Festa tomorrow).
How soon will I likely know if they pollinated? I only assisted in the pollination of one flower thus far.
There should be a fruit forming in a few days.
palmtree
07-31-2010, 03:21 PM
My passion vine has flowered! But I wasnt home to see it :( I hope I will see it flower again. Just wanted to update on my first passion vine! Yours all look like they are doing great!!
sunfish
07-31-2010, 04:12 PM
Tony, looks like the "clock" on my Fredericks is the same as yours. As of 10:40am this morning, no flowers were open. Checked again at 11:10am and two flowers had opened. I won't be around tomorrow to check (or Portuguese club founded in 1899 is having its annual Holy Ghost Festa tomorrow).
How soon will I likely know if they pollinated? I only assisted in the pollination of one flower thus far.
You could almost set you watch by them. Try watching one open ,when you get time,but don't blink or you will miss it.
sunfish
08-01-2010, 09:18 AM
Mollissima
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35102&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35102&ppuser=2868)
Vitifolia
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35101&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35101&ppuser=2868)
Arida
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35100&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35100&ppuser=2868)
Capsularis
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35099&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35099&ppuser=2868)
harveyc
08-03-2010, 02:59 PM
I didn't think I had any buds left on my Fredericks but I noticed at 10:52 this morning that two more flowers were opened up. I think that's 12 flowers in the past six days. There's lots of new growth and the plant has reached above the top of the trellis now.
sunfish
08-03-2010, 03:44 PM
Passiflora Laurifolia
Turns out this plant is Passiflora Maliformis not Lauriflia
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33307&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33307&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
08-03-2010, 03:54 PM
I didn't think I had any buds left on my Fredericks but I noticed at 10:52 this morning that two more flowers were opened up. I think that's 12 flowers in the past six days. There's lots of new growth and the plant has reached above the top of the trellis now.
Are the buds that opened before staying green or turning yellow ? Any fruit set yet ?
sunfish
08-03-2010, 04:17 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35188&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35188&ppuser=2868)
saltydad
08-03-2010, 05:09 PM
The last one above is gorgeous, Tony. Any idea which one it is?
harveyc
08-03-2010, 05:36 PM
Are the buds that opened before staying green or turning yellow ? Any fruit set yet ?
The buds are still green, though maybe a little pale. I don't know if fruit has set or not. I peeked into the flowers just now and noticed the ovary on a couple from a few days ago was yellow and the flower dropped off but some of the earlier ones are still green and holding firm.
sunfish
08-03-2010, 05:43 PM
The last one above is gorgeous, Tony. Any idea which one it is?
This one I am sure of.
PASSIFLORA BELLOTTI - Google Search (http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=drQ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=PASSIFLORA+BELLOTTI&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=SptYTI3KGJOksQOm-tS2Cw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCwQsAQwAw&biw=1024&bih=410)
saltydad
08-03-2010, 07:45 PM
Man, after looking at the site for Grassy Knoll Exotic Plants, I want a hundred different passiflora! Of course, hardly any are hardy here, but I'll figure out a way around that. Grassy Knoll Exotic Plants (http://gkexoticplants.com/)
sunfish
08-04-2010, 08:08 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35227&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35227&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
08-08-2010, 09:25 AM
Coral Glow
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35368&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35368&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
08-08-2010, 09:26 AM
P.capsularis Fruit
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35367&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35367&ppuser=2868)
harveyc
08-08-2010, 05:52 PM
Rats, all of my Frederick flower buds fell off, guess they didn't get pollinated. :(
mbfirey
08-08-2010, 06:10 PM
I just went to a pasture and dug up a few Maypops, we'll see how they do and if I can control them....
sunfish
08-20-2010, 09:00 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35824&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35824&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
08-27-2010, 08:29 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36104&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36104&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36103&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36103&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36101&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36101&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36102&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36102&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
09-02-2010, 08:38 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36230&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36230&ppuser=2868)
saltydad
09-02-2010, 07:23 PM
Saw my first fruit this season on my P. incarnata. It was on the ground, so I brought in inside and cut it open. Jelly covered seeds in a hollow shell of a fruit. The jelly tasted and smelled nice, but Is that it? Very disappointed.
sunfish
09-02-2010, 07:29 PM
Saw my first fruit this season on my P. incarnata. It was on the ground, so I brought in inside and cut it open. Jelly covered seeds in a hollow shell of a fruit. The jelly tasted and smelled nice, but Is that it? Very disappointed.
Some have more than others,but that's all you get is jelly and seed
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=21550&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21550&perpage=12&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=31055&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=31055&perpage=12&ppuser=2868)
Dalmatiansoap
09-03-2010, 07:58 AM
I hope that I will taste them soon too. Here are the first buds on my P. Incarnata
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36250&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36250&ppuser=4565)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36251&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36251&ppuser=4565)
:woohoonaner:
saltydad
09-03-2010, 07:00 PM
Good luck, Ante. you'll love the flower.
The Hollyberry Lady
09-03-2010, 08:06 PM
Be sure to show us when it opens, Ante...
: )
palmtree
09-07-2010, 12:50 AM
Im pretty excited to have a bloom on my passion vine!! This pic was taken about a week ago. Im really kind of new to passion vines so I have no ID to it. If someone could help me with ID'ing it, I would really appreciate it! All I know is that it was at a local nursery for 3 dollars which was an amazing price (I cant even get some dirt that cheap!). And if its a cold tolerant type (I know of 2), then what do you suggest for the winter? Its in a pot and its kind of late to put it in the ground so do you think it would do okay indoors and keep it growing, or should I put it in the garage (rarely below freezing, but it gets pretty cold) and let it go dormant in there.
Well anyway, heres the pic!!!
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view¤t=DSCN1734.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1734.jpg" border="0" alt="Passion flower"></a>
Thanks in advance and Im looking forward to growing lots of other passion vines next year so hopefully I will have more bloom pics to share soon!!
sunfish
09-07-2010, 07:14 AM
Im pretty excited to have a bloom on my passion vine!! This pic was taken about a week ago. Im really kind of new to passion vines so I have no ID to it. If someone could help me with ID'ing it, I would really appreciate it! All I know is that it was at a local nursery for 3 dollars which was an amazing price (I cant even get some dirt that cheap!). And if its a cold tolerant type (I know of 2), then what do you suggest for the winter? Its in a pot and its kind of late to put it in the ground so do you think it would do okay indoors and keep it growing, or should I put it in the garage (rarely below freezing, but it gets pretty cold) and let it go dormant in there.
Well anyway, heres the pic!!!
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view¤t=DSCN1734.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1734.jpg" border="0" alt="Passion flower"></a>
Thanks in advance and Im looking forward to growing lots of other passion vines next year so hopefully I will have more bloom pics to share soon!!
That is Passiflora Cerulea
palmtree
09-07-2010, 12:32 PM
Thanks Tony! I had a feeling it was Passiflora Cerulea and although I would have liked something a little more exotic, at least it can survive my winters which is a huge plus!
sunfish
09-07-2010, 04:09 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36394&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36394&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
09-08-2010, 07:35 PM
Passiflora Foetida bud
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36409&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36409&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
09-12-2010, 10:58 AM
Passiflora Foetida bud
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36409&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36409&ppuser=2868)
Here's the flower
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36545&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36545&ppuser=2868)
Dalmatiansoap
09-12-2010, 05:58 PM
I hope that I will taste them soon too. Here are the first buds on my P. Incarnata
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36250&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36250&ppuser=4565)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36251&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36251&ppuser=4565)
:woohoonaner:
FINALLY!
:woohoonaner:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36558&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36558&ppuser=4565)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36559&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36559&ppuser=4565)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36560&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36560&ppuser=4565)
:nanadrink:
saltydad
09-12-2010, 06:00 PM
Beautiful, Ante! Congratulations!
saltydad
09-12-2010, 06:02 PM
BTW, has anyone else noticed this? The large black and yellow bumblebees love the passion flowers. It even appears that they crawl in amongst the pollen and sleep, and I have had difficulty awakening them by shaking the vine. As if they were drugged!
sunfish
09-12-2010, 06:17 PM
BTW, has anyone else noticed this? The large black and yellow bumblebees love the passion flowers. It even appears that they crawl in amongst the pollen and sleep, and I have had difficulty awakening them by shaking the vine. As if they were drugged!
I think they are drugged
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=13237&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=13237&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
09-12-2010, 06:31 PM
Passion Flower (http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/herbs_passion_flower.html)
sunfish
09-14-2010, 07:48 AM
Frederick's
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36624&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36624&ppuser=2868)
Richard
09-14-2010, 01:53 PM
Passion Flower (http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/herbs_passion_flower.html)
That site is of dubious quality. The two listed varieties of Passiflora are different species and likely different composition of substances.
sunfish
09-14-2010, 02:04 PM
PASSION FLOWER (Passiflora incarnata) - ORAL side effects, medical uses, and drug interactions. (http://google.ad.sgdoubleclick.net/pagead/nclk?sa=L&ai=1&fadurl=googleads.g.doubleclick.net&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.medicinenet.com%2Fpassion_flower_passiflora_i ncarnata-oral%2Farticle.htm&aclck=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onlinebardirectory.net%2Fsearch.php%3Fkey word%3DMedicinal%2Bpassiflora)
Max363
09-18-2010, 10:45 PM
I grew the Passiflora Cerulea from seed many years ago and planted it in the ground next to my former home (a tall stone townhouse). It would come back vigorously every year, climbing a raised basement and two stories and then sprawl all over the roof deck. While the foliage was thick and healthy and its stems were as thick as those of a grape vine, it produced very few blossoms. Here in my new home, I grow it in a large pot next to an arbor and this year in addition to many dozens of flowers it made three fruits but after they turned yellow and fell to the ground I found them to be hollow and when opened they looked like an orange peel with white fiber, but no juice or seeds. So I have just had to be happy with my sucess in getting the fancier varieties to bloom. My favorite this year has definitely been "Monika Fisher " for it's abundance of larger beautifully colored blooms. In my opinion "Monika" has beatened both "Marian" (a new, seed grown/selected variety I got last year from a hybridizer on ebay), and even the very frilly "Incense" with its amazing fragrance.
"Incense" with "Monika":
<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/maxx94/PasIncMonika.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
"Monika" with "Marian"
<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/maxx94/PasMonikaMarien.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
Actually I am very happy to have had so many beautiful passion vine flowers this year in tropical Pittsburgh PA! lol Now if that 5' South American Red passion vine would just flower before frost in the next five or six weeks, all my passion plants varieites will have produced blossoms this year!
Max363
09-18-2010, 11:11 PM
BTW, has anyone else noticed this? The large black and yellow bumblebees love the passion flowers. It even appears that they crawl in amongst the pollen and sleep, and I have had difficulty awakening them by shaking the vine. As if they were drugged!
Howard after reading Tony's referenced article about the many medicinal/pharmecutical uses of the passion plant/fruit, it's no wonder your bees drift off to lala land after visiting your passion flowers! Now if only the grasshoppers in my yard went to sleep before they consumed portions of my Monika's flowers!
<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/maxx94/PasWGrasHPR.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
sunfish
09-19-2010, 09:31 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36757&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36757&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
09-19-2010, 07:18 PM
Passiflora Capsularis fruit
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36791&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36791&ppuser=2868)
harveyc
09-19-2010, 08:00 PM
Are they edible?
sunfish
09-19-2010, 08:04 PM
I looked it up and found this. The flesh is inedible
sunfish
09-20-2010, 02:30 PM
Passiflora Arida edible fruit
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36822&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36822&ppuser=2868)
Good size Frederick's fruit
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36823&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36823&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
09-20-2010, 03:00 PM
Passiflora Capsularis fruit
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36791&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36791&ppuser=2868)
Flower and seed pod
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36826&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36826&ppuser=2868)
Max363
09-20-2010, 06:45 PM
so much excitement .. hope ... and promise! ..so very hollow and empty! lol
<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/maxx94/PasFruit-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
sunfish
09-20-2010, 08:13 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36841&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36841&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
09-22-2010, 07:59 PM
Passiflora Vitifolia fruit
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36873&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36873)
harveyc
09-22-2010, 10:32 PM
Looks like it's been crossed with a watermelon! lol
sunfish
09-24-2010, 07:27 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36935&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36935&ppuser=2868)
Dalmatiansoap
09-24-2010, 08:12 AM
How long it needs from flower till fruit?
sunfish
09-24-2010, 08:26 AM
How long it needs from flower till fruit?
I never timed it but at least one month till the fruit is ripe. From flower till fruit forms that happens right away,you can tell in a few days.
Dalmatiansoap
09-24-2010, 02:58 PM
Yeap, I did the pollination experiments few days ago and voila:
One of four flowers looks like this now:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36947&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36947&ppuser=4565)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36948&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36948&ppuser=4565)
:woohoonaner:
First two are lost and Im still awaiting on 4th:lurk:
:nanadrink:
sunfish
09-26-2010, 10:59 AM
Ruby Glow bud
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36980&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36980&ppuser=2868)
Dalmatiansoap
09-28-2010, 01:51 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37060&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37060)
:woohoonaner:
sunfish
09-28-2010, 02:00 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37060&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37060)
:woohoonaner:
Can you feel any weight to the fruit ? Some will end up hollow.
Dalmatiansoap
09-28-2010, 02:04 PM
O cmmon dont tell me that!:ha:
My only fruit and it might be hollow!!
:nanadrink:
sunfish
09-28-2010, 02:11 PM
O cmmon dont tell me that!:ha:
My only fruit and it might be hollow!!
:nanadrink:
Are you still getting buds/flowers ?
Dalmatiansoap
09-28-2010, 02:13 PM
No. It had 4 buds and only one developed a fruit. And it is a bit light in my opinion :(
sunfish
09-29-2010, 12:45 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37101&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37101&ppuser=2868)
sunfish
09-30-2010, 03:10 PM
Turns out this plant is Passiflora Maliformis not Lauriflia
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33307&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33307&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37132&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37132)
sunfish
09-30-2010, 03:12 PM
Flower and seed pod
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36826&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36826&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37131&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37131)
mango_kush
09-30-2010, 03:24 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs339.ash2/61913_128632150521943_100001254777152_184382_7469543_n.jpg
a snail snacking on my "sweet sunrise" nectar
cant blame him, the fruit dont last long
Dalmatiansoap
10-02-2010, 05:59 AM
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/dalmatiansoap/IMAG0202.jpg
:woohoonaner:
sunfish
10-03-2010, 11:23 AM
Still don't know the pollinator for Ruby Glow
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37203&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37203)
Fruit
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37202&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37202)
harveyc
10-03-2010, 05:01 PM
My Frederick only has one fruit on it so far but I'm hoping for more. I had 5 flowers open on Friday, 20 on Saturday, and 7 today. I tried to help pollinate with a Q-tip yesterday and today.
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