View Full Version : Ensete perriei up in just 12 days!!
Tog Tan
02-24-2009, 02:32 PM
Ok guys and gals, I finally got my dream seeds and my dream just came thru! It was love at first sight when I saw a pix of this plant. It's a MUST have for me. But then I missed the boat in getting them until I got to know Markus Senger. I got a bunch of 650 sds from Markus who is also a member here and is also a seed seller. Thanks Markus!
Here's what I did;
1. I soaked them in tap water for 2 days and then on the 3rd day, I used a mild acidic water for 24hrs.
2. The experimental lot of 30 sds were then sown into a clear plastic deli box with moist seed mix and then sealed.
3. I left it on my germination rack which is outside my balcony and is sheltered from sun and rain.
4. The temp recorded was high 90F in the day and approx 80F at night.
5. First sign of germination was after 12 days.
Simple? So...go do it!
I will update with pix when the total tally is final.
Happy...happy...happy guy:ha:
Why I got so many sds? Didn't you notice? I am an Ensete Nut!:ha:
Michael_Andrew
02-24-2009, 03:58 PM
Congrads TT on your EP.
Chironex
02-24-2009, 07:19 PM
Oh man! I have been trying for months to get one to germinate! Markus, if you have some more seeds.........
Gabe15
02-24-2009, 10:00 PM
How many seeds sprouted from the 30 planted?
Tog Tan
02-25-2009, 06:53 AM
How many seeds sprouted from the 30 planted?
Gabe, will update with pix when they stop sprouting. For me here, most Ensete's come up in a rush and then they stop. I find that the best temp here in enclosed clear plastic deli containers they do best around day temp 0f 90+F and night 80F. Any hotter, they go dormant. Cooler, very few come up. If the sds are stored in the fridge and then germinated, very low %. I now store all my sds at room temp which is about 80+F.
With the temp range mentioned above and viable sds, I get up to 70% germn rate with Ensete.
Michael_Andrew
02-25-2009, 08:27 AM
Quote:
Re: Ensete Ventricosum
Congrats Andrew! I have a bunch of these guys and I just luv them. Contrary to belief I find that they germinate with higher heat. I have tried both ways and clearly I get better results if the germ temp is about 100+F. They do very well in a loose soil media with lots of water here. I tried a bunch of seedlings in a more compact water retaining media and they started to crash out after a month.
All the best.
Tog, I'm trying ensete ventricosum and I had them at 80 degrees. You posted the above and I increased to just over 100. Now your saying their toast? I really don't mind the failure but just would like to pin down the right temp. Two germinated at 80 none so far at 100 including two separate batches.
thanks
Michael
Tog Tan
02-25-2009, 08:38 AM
Quote:
Re: Ensete Ventricosum
Congrats Andrew! I have a bunch of these guys and I just luv them. Contrary to belief I find that they germinate with higher heat. I have tried both ways and clearly I get better results if the germ temp is about 100+F. They do very well in a loose soil media with lots of water here. I tried a bunch of seedlings in a more compact water retaining media and they started to crash out after a month.
All the best.
Tog, I'm trying ensete ventricosum and I had them at 80 degrees. You posted the above and I increased to just over 100. Now your saying their toast? I really don't mind the failure but just would like to pin down the right temp. Two germinated at 80 none so far at 100 including two separate batches.
thanks
Michael
Sorry for the confusion here Michael. I did not state clearly that I put the deli box in full hot sun during the day. The sds all went dormant. I think the temp is at least 120+F inside the box. At the 90+F to low 100F they did ok for me. I hope this clears up.
Michael_Andrew
02-25-2009, 08:56 AM
Ok thanks Mr Tan. So at 100 I'd be ok but it sounds that in your recent success that maybe 90 is better and that they are not toast unless they hit like 120. Thanks for all your help. I've had 100+ seeds as far back as December and had 2 germinate so it get a little frustrating. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Tog Tan
02-25-2009, 09:09 AM
Ok thanks Mr Tan. So at 100 I'd be ok but it sounds that in your recent success that maybe 90 is better and that they are not toast unless they hit like 120. Thanks for all your help. I've had 100+ seeds as far back as December and had 2 germinate so it get a little frustrating. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Hey Michael, not only you, I didn't get good results with the first 100 I bought, like 4/100. Then I got a second batch and it was like 40%. I feel due to the demand of this as an ornamental, the seeds were collected over a period of time like up to a year and then only shipped to the seed dealers. I was jus talking to one of the seed dealers and he told me about the Musa sikkimensis var Red Tiger sds which were also done like this. This is another @#%##@ I am #@%$@ about! And please, Mr. Tan? Sheesh......:ha:
Michael_Andrew
02-25-2009, 09:41 AM
Yea I think a lot of it is the seeds. You see many failures here and then all of a sudden someone here has em popping all over. I opened one of the the EV's and the embryo didn't look quite right. But even with the low germination rate I'd had its still better that I'm doing in the stock market. But I don't wanna talk about that. lol
Oh sorry is it Doctor Tan! lol
Dalmatiansoap
02-25-2009, 12:36 PM
Bravo Tog!!!
:woohoonaner:
jmoore
02-25-2009, 01:43 PM
Nice one Tog!
However I'm a little concerned to read that my musa sikkimensis red tiger seeds may well be duds! Most displeased about that state of affairs. :-(
I thought RPS supply fresh viable seed. Booooohooooo
Tog Tan
02-25-2009, 02:01 PM
Nice one Tog!
However I'm a little concerned to read that my musa sikkimensis red tiger seeds may well be duds! Most displeased about that state of affairs. :-(
I thought RPS supply fresh viable seed. Booooohooooo
Hey James, I don't think its rps though. I always buy in lots of 100sds and sometimes none will germinate. Examples are M siamensis, M coccinea, M sp Royal purple, M yunnanensis and a couple more.
There are seed collectors who want to make a fast buck and they tend to stockpile the sds before shipping. Seed cleaning, even if they use a chemical to help out is a tedious process so I guess they do it till a big number is done before shipping to the seed sellers who then advertise them as 'new' or 'fresh'. I have a contact who will get the M sikkimensis sds freshly collected in Nov this year. So I guess the wait is worth it.
To console you, I have like 300 sds of the both the M sikkimensis varieties just sitting there for more than a year now. According to my source, his freshly collected sds of the M sikkimensis normally germinate in a couple of weeks and some come up as fast as 9 days. Gotta check this out then... For me, the Red Tiger variety is a must have, so I don't heck care how many kilos of the sds I am gonna go thru...:ha:
bigdog
02-25-2009, 02:13 PM
Nice, Tog! Are these old seeds, or fresh ones? Does he have any more?? Can't wait for your pics!
Frank
Tog Tan
02-25-2009, 02:20 PM
Nice, Tog! Are these old seeds, or fresh ones? Does he have any more?? Can't wait for your pics!
Frank
Markus only purchase freshly collected sds from his source for sale. He just got a bunch of the Musa sp NEU Violett besides other stuff. You can contact him at ;
frosthartepalmen@gmx.de
Just tell him you are my buddy and he will charge you more and give me my cut....just kidding! :ha:
He has very good contacts in India.
Michael_Andrew
02-25-2009, 06:26 PM
I have a few M sikkimensis I got from Whatcom that I planted on 12/13 and it looks like 2 are about to pop. Anyway, they have some white stuff coming out their pukie holes.
Chironex
02-25-2009, 07:32 PM
...they have some white stuff coming out their pukie holes.
???
Michael_Andrew
02-25-2009, 07:49 PM
Well I've seen names for all parts of the seed but never the hole that it comes out of so I gave it a scientific name.
Ok I looked it up and I guess it was already named "hilum"
Sorry thought I was gonna gonna go down in history as the guy that named that hole that the embryo comes out of.
buzzwinder
02-25-2009, 08:04 PM
Well I've seen names for all parts of the seed but never the hole that it comes out of so I gave it a scientific name.
For proper enunciation, is that with a hard u, as in Duke or a soft u as in Duck? :bananas_b
Michael_Andrew
02-25-2009, 08:15 PM
Well it's defiantly a hard U as in Duke.
But in all honesty this was Doctor Tan's thread and its very exciting that he has successfully germinated the Ensette Perriei and I look forward to see the progress and congratulate him.
Tog Tan
02-26-2009, 12:43 AM
Well it's defiantly a hard U as in Duke.
But in all honesty this was Doctor Tan's thread and its very exciting that he has successfully germinated the Ensette Perriei and I look forward to see the progress and congratulate him.
Hey Mike, just for laughs, if you to say pukie here in M'sia, in local Bahasa Pasar or Market/Rough Malay, it means f@#*! Howzat? And your complete line is pukie hole! :ha::ha::ha::ha::ha:
I would love to see the look on the faces of the Malays here when you tell them about the pukie hole and banana :ha::ha::ha::ha::ha:
Michael_Andrew
02-26-2009, 06:25 AM
That is hilarious Tog. I had this elderly client once. She was all prim and proper. She often talked of her deceased husband and his term of endearment for her was "Pukie Dear". If she only knew what he was calling her all those years. lol Gotta run wife in the other room is calling me. Watcha need Pukie Dear?
Mark Hall
02-26-2009, 10:24 AM
Well done Tog, I'm pleased for you. I know you said in one of your PMs that you wanted these Sooooo badly. If I stuck them outside here in a box they would freeze:ha:
Even my pre set Propogators do not get that warm.
Don't forget them pictures mate.
Chironex
02-26-2009, 06:17 PM
That was hilarious!
Michael_Andrew
03-03-2009, 07:00 PM
Ok guys and gals, I finally got my dream seeds and my dream just came thru! It was love at first sight when I saw a pix of this plant. It's a MUST have for me. But then I missed the boat in getting them until I got to know Markus Senger. I got a bunch of 650 sds from Markus who is also a member here and is also a seed seller. Thanks Markus!
Here's what I did;
1. I soaked them in tap water for 2 days and then on the 3rd day, I used a mild acidic water for 24hrs.
2. The experimental lot of 30 sds were then sown into a clear plastic deli box with moist seed mix and then sealed.
3. I left it on my germination rack which is outside my balcony and is sheltered from sun and rain.
4. The temp recorded was high 90F in the day and approx 80F at night.
5. First sign of germination was after 12 days.
Simple? So...go do it!
I will update with pix when the total tally is final.
Happy...happy...happy guy:ha:
Why I got so many sds? Didn't you notice? I am an Ensete Nut!:ha:
Tog I was reading back through this thread and was wondering what the "mild acidic water" is? I don't remember who but I read they use orange juice as a soak.
Thanks,
Michael
Tog Tan
03-04-2009, 12:04 PM
Tog I was reading back through this thread and was wondering what the "mild acidic water" is? I don't remember who but I read they use orange juice as a soak.
Thanks,
Michael
Hi Michael, my sisters use a water filter (I don't know the technology of it) and it can filter out normal drinking water, alkaline water and a mildly acidic water from the tap. This is the first time I used the acidic water from this filtration system and I got pretty good results on a couple of species in germination.
I thought it will help to recreate the gastric juices when the sds go through an animal's intestinal tract.
jmoore
03-04-2009, 01:43 PM
Rain water should be mildly acidic due to the carbon dioxide dissolved in it. Or failing that fizzy water will be mildly acidic.
Tog Tan
03-05-2009, 12:55 AM
Here it is folks, meet the new kids on the block!
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15979><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=15979&size=1 border=0></a>
This is a top view shot. This just another 9 days after my initial post making it a total of 21 days since it sprouted! So far 21/30. Really fantastic!
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15980><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=15980&size=1 border=0></a>
As you can see from the pix, the vigorous root growth and they are still sprouting below.
I will keep them in an enclosed clear plastic bag till they get the 2nd leaf out on every plant before transplanting. By then it will be hell getting them out! I normally cut the roots as carefully as possible. I hope it will give y'all the encouragement to do it!:ha:
Chironex
03-05-2009, 01:04 AM
You cannot believe how envious I am right now! I have been trying for months to get one seed to germinate.
But... I just received 70 seeds from your guy in Germany, so with any luck, I will be joining the E.p. club soon. One thing I noticed about these seeds is that they are much larger and the outside is far smoother than the previous seeds I had. These are much fresher and my hope is renewed.
Michael_Andrew
03-05-2009, 09:37 AM
Very very nice Tog!!!
Ueberwinden
03-05-2009, 12:29 PM
Tog,
I saw the bananas in your gallery that you have been busy germinating, very nice! Are those deli containers that you are using? I have seen plans to use rubber-maid clear storage containers to root and germinate in. Your containers stacked up is interesting, can you stack multiple rows without causing effects on the plants?(reduced light)
Michael
Tog Tan
03-05-2009, 01:16 PM
Tog,
I saw the bananas in your gallery that you have been busy germinating, very nice! Are those deli containers that you are using? I have seen plans to use rubber-maid clear storage containers to root and germinate in. Your containers stacked up is interesting, can you stack multiple rows without causing effects on the plants?(reduced light)
Michael
Hi Michael,
1. Yep, deli boxes. I prefer them than open trays as I don't have to monitor the humidity which is the most important factor for me here. The ambient temp here is ideal for germn.
2. Multiple rows? As long as the new sdlg's height is not higher than the lid. I tend to shift them around as they grow. The light level of my germn area is quite even so there is no problem. Once the new sdlg hits the lid, the box is put into a zip lock clear plastic bag till they get the 2nd leaf. When in this situation, they are moved to another area which there is sufficient light. Once they develop the 2nd leaf, they are then potted.
I do germn of 'naners and palms as part of my monthly seedling program for my nursery. I have a quota of germinating a minimum of 1,000 sds a month. Fun! :ha: Repotting, not fun.....:waving:
I hope the answers help. :02:
2 weeks ago I've sow about 50 seeds (after soaking them 1,5 day, and 15 minutes in 1/10 bleach). And today about 50% of them have sprouted!
I've sow them in a plastic box, with a relative high humidity at about 33 degrees celcius.
It was my first try, so I'm happy :)
bigdog
03-05-2009, 02:53 PM
You cannot believe how envious I am right now! I have been trying for months to get one seed to germinate.
But... I just received 70 seeds from your guy in Germany, so with any luck, I will be joining the E.p. club soon. One thing I noticed about these seeds is that they are much larger and the outside is far smoother than the previous seeds I had. These are much fresher and my hope is renewed.
That could be bad news...according to Toby Spanner of RPS:
The species is easy to tell apart from the seeds as they are distinctly warty, not smooth.
Best, TOBY
If you have smooth seeds, then they are probably something else completely.
Chironex
03-05-2009, 04:23 PM
http://www.bananas.org/%5Burl=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15993%5D%5Bimg%5Dhttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=15993&size=1%5B/img%5D%5B/url%5Dhttp://www.bananas.org/%5Bhttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15993%20http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=15993&size=1&filefix=.jpg%5D%20%20%20%28credit%20%5Bhttp://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=2761%20Chironex%5D%29http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=2761%20Chironexhttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=15993&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15993)
Indeed, Frank you are absolutely correct. I wanted to post the photos to see if anyone else thought the same. These are clearly Ensete ventricosum seeds. Well, back to the seller I go. Hey Tog, did your E. perrieri seeds look like mine?
Tog Tan
03-05-2009, 04:52 PM
[QUOTE=Chironex; Indeed, Frank you are absolutely correct. I wanted to post the photos to see if anyone else thought the same. These are clearly Ensete ventricosum seeds. Well, back to the seller I go. Hey Tog, did your E. perrieri seeds look like mine?[/QUOTE]
Haha...:ha: Of course mine looked like yours. We got them from the same source. I just reread the rps seed review and it says wartier. Scot, you stil have the rps E per sd for comparison?
I haven't seen an E per sd so... Anyway when I checked against all my other 3 sp E gla, E ven and E liv, it's closest to the E liv. I have written to Markus and asked him about his source. He should get back soon. I don't think it's his fault in this. Let's see what happens.
On the brighter side, I heck got lots of this very good sprouting seed, still about 600! :ha:
Chironex
03-05-2009, 05:56 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=15995&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15995)
Tog, this is what they should look like. I was nice to Markus, and not angry at all. Just wanted to get some fresh E. perrieri seeds.
Musa777
03-06-2009, 09:19 AM
Hello everybody!
Iīm Markus. My friend Tog has just send me an E-Mail and has told me that here in the forum are strong doubts about the authenticity of my Ensete perrieri seeds.
Usually I do not write something in this forum because I can not speak so good English and canīt express me so good. But I see the good reputation of our company in danger.
Scot you have sent me two E-Mails that you wants the paid money for the seeds back because you say they are usuall Ensete ventricosum seeds. This is no problem for me.
I have already tried to send the whole amount back, but you donīt accept PayPal Payment from outside the USA. Please change this and I will send you the money back immediatelly. I hope you send the seeds back to me as soon as I have send you them. I sold the seeds as they have been delivered to me in trust of their authenticity. I whould not cheat you for your 8 for 70 E. perrieri seeds?
First I have to say that I am a bit irritated and dissapointed to read in this forum that it is a fact that as thought I have send seeds on a wrong name. In this thread my E-Mail adress is listed and everybody could have talked about doubts of the authenticity of the seeds with me.
I have received the seeds from a gentleman who is a seed wholesaller and I have his verification of their authenticity. The following is what he has wrote to me:
The seeds are from a controlled nursery in Madagascar. They have collected them in the wild. The government of madagascar controlled them to produce the seeds in mass production.
Ensete perrieri seeds have only been on the market one time a few years ago, itīs not possible to judge this seeds on them.
It is correct that E.perrieri seeds are a bit smaller than E. ventricosum seeds.
But also the seeds of some E. perrieri plants have a smooth shell.
The form of E. ventricosum and E. perrieri is different.
To see that I have attached a photo. I hope you can see the picture.
On the left side you can see E. ventricosum seeds on the right side you can see E. perrieri seeds as comparison.
Tog in good faith says he will grow them to verify the species.
Thank you.
bigdog
03-06-2009, 01:13 PM
Hi Markus,
I hope you don't think I was bad-mouthing you or your company! I was only making an observation about Scot's comment about the seeds being smooth, based on what I had read by Toby on another thread. Here's the original description of the seeds by Fawcett in 1913:
Seeds numerous, black, 1/3 in. or 8.3 mm. in diameter, irregularly ovoid, warty, with a large hilum and a depressed micropyle.
(Fawcett 1913 and ?).
Chironex
03-06-2009, 01:55 PM
Hello everybody!
Iīm Markus. My friend Tog has just send me an E-Mail and has told me that here in the forum are strong doubts about the authenticity of my Ensete perrieri seeds.
Usually I do not write something in this forum because I can not speak so good English and canīt express me so good. But I see the good reputation of our company in danger.
Scot you have sent me two E-Mails that you wants the paid money for the seeds back because you say they are usuall Ensete ventricosum seeds. This is no problem for me.
I have already tried to send the whole amount back, but you donīt accept PayPal Payment from outside the USA. Please change this and I will send you the money back immediatelly. I hope you send the seeds back to me as soon as I have send you them. I sold the seeds as they have been delivered to me in trust of their authenticity. I whould not cheat you for your 8€ for 70 E. perrieri seeds?
First I have to say that I am a bit irritated and dissapointed to read in this forum that it is a fact that as thought I have send seeds on a wrong name. In this thread my E-Mail adress is listed and everybody could have talked about doubts of the authenticity of the seeds with me.
I have received the seeds from a gentleman who is a seed wholesaller and I have his verification of their authenticity. The following is what he has wrote to me:
The seeds are from a controlled nursery in Madagascar. They have collected them in the wild. The government of madagascar controlled them to produce the seeds in mass production.
Ensete perrieri seeds have only been on the market one time a few years ago, itīs not possible to judge this seeds on them.
It is correct that E.perrieri seeds are a bit smaller than E. ventricosum seeds.
But also the seeds of some E. perrieri plants have a smooth shell.
The form of E. ventricosum and E. perrieri is different.
To see that I have attached a photo. I hope you can see the picture.
On the left side you can see E. ventricosum seeds on the right side you can see E. perrieri seeds as comparison.
Tog in good faith says he will grow them to verify the species.
Thank you.
Markus, no one, myself included, has said anything bad about you or your company. I did not know what your username was on this site and Tog sent your email address to me.
You received 2 emails because I sent one from Yahoo, and the other from eBay to be certain that you knew of the issue for your eBay offering to avoid future problems.
I asked you in both emails to refund or provide the correct seeds. No big deal, just want to gt the correct seeds. I have to say that neither of the seeds in your post look like E perrieri to me when compared with my photo of E. perrieri seeds. If your wholesaler is selling these as E. perrieri, perhaps this is a different subspecies as the seeds do not match the accepted description from accepted taxonomists. If this is the case, then I apologize.
I have decided to just keep the seeds rather than incur additional shipping charges. Mistakes can happenand as I said in my previous post, I am not angry. Tog and I discussed this. In fact, Tog defended you and your company. All is forgiven.
There are some people on this site who have E perrieri grown from seeds. Perhaps they (Jeff) will be able to tell us what the seeds look like with more certainty.
Tog Tan
03-06-2009, 02:19 PM
Ok, guys, friends, I will have the last say...
We are all now in the process of learning something new about this little known plant. So far not many people have offered the sds for sale. We think it's rare. Remember my other posts about the rare Callimusa from here? Point is, any particular species is not rare in its natural habitat and is abundant in forms, colors, and what crap not. What one person obtain from one area may be different from another person getting the materials from another place. Scientifically I am wrong when I reported I saw Musa violascens with 8ft p-stem height. Official papers says 5.5-6ft. I didn't just see them, I stood next to them. So, let's grow these plts and see for ourselves.
The people who have posted on this Thread shows they are the people who care in the interest of species 'naners. Otherwise they would not have bothered to post. We learn from each other. As I feel I know each of the guys on this thread in a way, we said what we had to because we all share the same interest. Bloody rite, guys?
So...chill and wait for me to post pix as they grow.... Meanwhile, have a gud day!:ha:
Chironex
03-07-2009, 03:51 PM
I will grow these out too, just to determine what they are. (provided that I can get them to germinate) It does seem odd that no one has ever reported smooth E perrieri seeds in all of the historical banana taxomony, except for the wholesaler who sold them to Markus.
If anything, Markus you might want to question the wholesaler in more detail about the seed. Perhaps he got them mis-labeled or put them in the wrong bags.
The E Perrieri seeds I own are also smooth and a little smaller than the E ventricosum seeds. Almost all of the 50 seeds have sprouted in 2 weeks.
Tog Tan
03-09-2009, 09:11 AM
The E Perrieri seeds I own are also smooth and a little smaller than the E ventricosum seeds. Almost all of the 50 seeds have sprouted in 2 weeks.
Hi Hace, only time will tell... On the brighter side, I am pretty excited about the true identity of these very vigorous sprouters. Ok, here, before I begin, my thoughts are that of an inquisitive layman...
Madagascar is a very big place. The E per is not well known as it is not a viable commercial food source. Even if we hit the net, we can hardly get good images or info on it. We don't know the exact extent of its range in Mada. We do not know the varieties/forms of it. Even in the well known species such as the M acuminata complex not many experts will put their reputation on a debate. In the case of the M-a complex, it's just too complex with a very wide range of distribution!
The seed game, is what I call a game of believe; we believe the seed seller, the seed seller believes the seed wholeseller, the seed wholeseller believes the collector. If any one is to be at fault, it it is the person standing at the end of this chain. The only way to look at it is that he may be dishonest or not knowledgeable. People like us just got caught along the way. In this case, I feel there is much to rejoice as this sd germinates so well. Rite? Just grow them and compare notes. It should be very interesting.
There are some people on this site who have E perrieri grown from seeds. Perhaps they (Jeff) will be able to tell us what the seeds look like with more certainty.
Hi Scot, It's been almost two years since I ordered those seeds, so my memory is a little fuzzy. They were part of a large order of 1700 seeds! I ordered seeds of 16 different palm species (100 of each) plus the 100 E. perrieri seeds, so I was on seed overload at the time!
I do remember looking at the ensete seeds and confirming that they matched the description we have all read about. In looking at all the seed photos, I would say that the ones you posted in post#37 look the most familiar to me.
I wish I had taken some photos of them!
bdollarbill
04-12-2009, 09:13 AM
I just wanted to chime in on this thread as I have some seeds I got from member on the B.org I had 0 success rate as well. I decided to perform surgery on one of the seeds, not soaked or attempted to grow just to see if it was a viable seed here what the inside looked like. White fine grained powder, looked like cocaine, well what cocaine would look like if I had ever seen it lol.. My wife did a double take when she came down & saw it on my desk..had litlle splaining to do.
Bill
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=16609&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16609&ppuser=3749)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=16608&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16608&ppuser=3749)
LilRaverBoi
04-12-2009, 12:37 PM
Wow...WTF? That's crazy! Guess you just stumbled upon a secret method of cocaine distribution! LOL. "Hmm....those seeds did seem a bit overpriced" :)
Chironex
04-12-2009, 12:41 PM
Bill, that's what all of them look like. Even the fresh seeds from PNG had a powdery endosperm. In fact most banana seeds are that way.
How long were they in soil? I still have some from several months ago that are still in the dirt. Others have said it took over a year, as I recall.
bdollarbill
04-12-2009, 01:21 PM
I am quite the experimentalist, I left them in the germination station for over 4-5 month's & nothing I separated one of the non planted seeds just to see if it had any sign's of life. Surprised to hear they are all that way I am a newbie to banana growing from seeds but surely thought there was something missing in this seed. Maybe I'll leave them a bit longer or throw them in the yard now that frost is gone.
Take care,
Bill
Chironex
04-12-2009, 01:31 PM
I believe that my first Ingens and E. perrieri seeds were sown last July or August. They are still in the germinator. I have others scattered about in various media now for 4 months. One of these is going to pop. But I am not holding my breath as to when.
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