View Full Version : Can you chop ensete glaucum to get pups?
sandy0225
01-22-2009, 02:59 PM
I have an ensete glaucum and I wouldn't mind having a few more. Does any one know if you can chop them and destroy them like the ensete maurelii to get pups?
Or do you think this is another experiment that I should undertake in the interest of science? The plant is about a year old now.
Jack Daw
01-22-2009, 03:29 PM
I have an ensete glaucum and I wouldn't mind having a few more. Does any one know if you can chop them and destroy them like the ensete maurelii to get pups?
Or do you think this is another experiment that I should undertake in the interest of science? The plant is about a year old now.
I would really think about letting it fruit and then use the seeds, it's easier that way, isn't it?
Bananaman88
01-22-2009, 04:07 PM
I would assume you could, the process should be the same. Allowing it to fruit and get seeds does seem safer. You just may have to pollinate it yourself, though.
jmoore
01-22-2009, 04:07 PM
I don't think ensete glaucum produce pups, or take kindley to being chopped up. I think the only ensete that may produce pups is ventricosum, but only mature ones.
But hey, they grow readily from seed so give it a go.
Jack Daw
01-22-2009, 04:38 PM
That answers it, use winter protection if needed and wait for seeds, each 'banana' will be full of them.
Good luck germinating, but that's another thread ;)
Just do the stuff, as mother nature intended it to be done...
Tog Tan
02-11-2009, 05:05 PM
I have an ensete glaucum and I wouldn't mind having a few more. Does any one know if you can chop them and destroy them like the ensete maurelii to get pups?
Or do you think this is another experiment that I should undertake in the interest of science? The plant is about a year old now.
Hey Sandy, give it a shot as you have a spare plant for it. Mine are all too small to experiment on. I find the E glaucum very easy to germinate and maybe as a result of its resilience it may just regenerate itself with pups. I am most eager to follow your progress.
Bananaman88
02-12-2009, 07:26 AM
[QUOTE=jmoore;62267]I don't think ensete glaucum produce pups, or take kindley to being chopped up. I think the only ensete that may produce pups is ventricosum, but only mature ones.
As a rule, no Ensete species produce pups unless induced to do so. The process that Sandy is asking about invloves chopping up the meristematic tissue, or growing point, thus inducing numerous growing points (pups) rather than the single growing point inherent to members of the Ensete genus. No plant would take kindly to this, but as evidenced by another post on the subject, it does work. One would still be taking a risk, I would think, as they could go overboard and completely destroy the growing point and get nothing but a mutilated banana for their efforts. So, in the immortal words of Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry, ask yourself, "Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" It would be a cool experiment if you have an extra you're willing to experiment on. Please keep us posted on what you decide to do.
Go for it Sandy, if you kill it I'll send you one of mine (4months old now). It's in the interest of science!
bigdog
02-12-2009, 10:48 PM
In one word: No. It's been tried, and doesn't work on any other Ensete. Even E. gilletii, which some think is just a variety of E. ventricosum, doesn't respond to this treatment either. Heck, I can't even get E. ventricosum to do it.
Frank
Bananaman88
02-13-2009, 12:50 PM
Interesting. I wonder why it wouldn't work on other Ensete species? This is exactly why I wouldn't try it unless I had a spare I was willing to sacrifice to the experiment.
Tog Tan
02-13-2009, 12:56 PM
In one word: No. It's been tried, and doesn't work on any other Ensete. Even E. gilletii, which some think is just a variety of E. ventricosum, doesn't respond to this treatment either. Heck, I can't even get E. ventricosum to do it.
Frank
Hey Frank, no harm in trying, rite? I guess the only harm is on the sacrificial victim. Then again.....in the interest of science...
sandy0225
02-27-2009, 08:13 AM
I'm going to put it into a bigger pot and let it get rooted in real good and try it this spring. Maybe this summer/fall. No reason to try it now when the plant is already stressed by growing it in Indiana where it's not supposed to be. But I am going to try it....so I'll let you know. Unless someone else wants to be brave and try it first.
Tog Tan
02-27-2009, 01:04 PM
I'm going to put it into a bigger pot and let it get rooted in real good and try it this spring. Maybe this summer/fall. No reason to try it now when the plant is already stressed by growing it in Indiana where it's not supposed to be. But I am going to try it....so I'll let you know. Unless someone else wants to be brave and try it first.
Sandy, I now have all the 5 species - E galucum - E ventricosum - E superbum - E livingstonianum - E pererii - but they are still young as they were germinated by seed. Even after you do it, I will follow up on all 5 species. Let's see how they fare in the tropical climate here. Thanks for your E maurelli experiment and now this one.
It's worth a shot as they don't pup and sometimes the sds are not easy to come by.
bigdog
03-01-2009, 10:36 PM
Sandy, I now have all the 5 species - E galucum - E ventricosum - E superbum - E livingstonianum - E pererii -
Tog, you're missing one...
Or two, depending on what literature you read.
Frank
Gabe15
03-02-2009, 01:34 AM
Tog, you're missing one...
Or two, depending on what literature you read.
Frank
Ya, at least E. homblei and E. gilletii, maybe? E. livingstonianum is listed as valid (along with many many invalid names) in the IPNI, but if you read up on the literature you will see it is quite obscure and the information that is known about it doesn't lead to anything spectacular. It will be interesting to see what these E. livingstonianum seeds grow up to be like. E. ventricosum is an extremely diverse species, with many different wild and cultivated forms, so its possible it could be one of those.
Mark Hall
03-02-2009, 05:37 AM
And don't forget Ensete Montbeliardii Tog.
I have treid a couple of times with Glaucums and also plain Ventricosum, No luck with any of them. I was considering trying my Monty, But I only have two and they are fairly hard to find.
sandy0225
03-02-2009, 08:04 AM
I always have such variable results in germinating seeds, even of these which are supposedly easy. One year, I have 20/100, next year, not a sprout. I can't figure it out. I thought maybe chopping them could turn out to be a more reliable way to get pups.
bigdog
03-03-2009, 02:04 AM
Ya, at least E. homblei and E. gilletii, maybe? E. livingstonianum is listed as valid (along with many many invalid names) in the IPNI, but if you read up on the literature you will see it is quite obscure and the information that is known about it doesn't lead to anything spectacular. It will be interesting to see what these E. livingstonianum seeds grow up to be like. E. ventricosum is an extremely diverse species, with many different wild and cultivated forms, so its possible it could be one of those.
I was actually referring to Ensete wilsonii, which is listed as a valid species in the Flora of China. And yes on the E. homblei. One of the more intriguing Ensetes, probably just because nobody has it yet, lol.
Tog Tan
03-03-2009, 11:55 AM
Tog, you're missing one...
Or two, depending on what literature you read.
Frank
Yo Frank, sorry my mistake, I meant all the 5 which have sds available in the market. Ensete homblei, slurp.. I have been after this one for a longtime. I asked Toby of rps and he said he has contacted someone in Zambia. Let's see what happens then. He is also on the track of the Ensete wilsonii too. Can't wait, jus can't wait!:ha:
51st state
05-20-2009, 05:57 PM
E. ventricosum is an extremely diverse species, with many different wild and cultivated forms, so its possible it could be one of those.
Yup, there are maybe 20 cultivated forms, not sure about the status of the wild forms. I'm trying to source some from the Ethiopians at the moment.it's like dealing with the Chinese..... we'll see.
ArchAngeL01
05-21-2009, 07:51 PM
can you tissue culture them like musa?
just j
05-21-2009, 08:51 PM
can you tissue culture them like musa?
yes
LilRaverBoi
07-16-2009, 03:40 PM
BUMP! Sorry...had to bump this up from the murky depths. Was this every tried? I'd be really interested on whether such a thing works for E. Glaucum or E. Superbum. Right now, I have an E. Maurelii and a very small E. Superbum. I'm a huge fan of ensetes...they're very beautiful plants! I especially like the gentle, sweeping curves of E. Glaucum. For some reason, seeing pictures of them always makes me smile!
Aight...just wanted to see if anyone tried this and what the results (if any) were.
I got a couple of these pups from Sandy and one sprouted its own pup. I'm sure it was way down there before hand but so unexpected,pretty cool I think.
LilRaverBoi
07-16-2009, 05:48 PM
What species....glaucum? Or Maurelii? Or something else?
island cassie
09-22-2009, 11:46 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=23595&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=23595&ppuser=628)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=23593&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=23593&ppuser=628)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=23596&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=23596&ppuser=628)
I think this is e glaucum growing in the grounds of a Thai restaurant here in the DR, with what looks like a pup next to one of them. Is this like yours Bob? Mark - this is the one I tried to show you but they were closed.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=23594&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=23594&ppuser=628)
LilRaverBoi
09-22-2009, 12:28 PM
Cool! Thanks for sharing....so there IS hope the, huh?
island cassie
09-22-2009, 12:34 PM
Wish I knew for sure - mine are only just past the sprouted seed stage.
ClevelandCATHY
09-22-2009, 01:31 PM
Last winter i put my glaucum in the greenhouse. It died down, and i thought it was a goner. I put the pot on my deck as soon as it got warm enough. It came back up, along with a pup.
island cassie
09-22-2009, 01:39 PM
So there is hope - and congratulations - they are lovely plants!!
Island Cassie actually mine was an E maurelii (my mistake)but yeah it looks similar. I can't take picture of it yet though since it's in the middle of a tomato garden. The pup is shaded and not as big. The plant is I guess about 4' and 7 overall. Here is the post
ensete maurelii red-creating pups ( 1 2 3)
sandy0225
09-22-2009, 06:49 PM
I never did get around to chopping that ensete down because it got sold instead. I need some nice fresh seed to try....in a few years.
Bananaman88
09-23-2009, 12:14 PM
All Ensete are generally solitary so I can only assume that some injury must have occured to the growing point in order for a pup to sprout on the ones you all mentioned died back and then came up with a pup. Of course, we are talking about nature here and we all know sometimes strange things happen...so who knows for sure. On the TC'd ones I wonder if the TC could even cause pupping on a plant that normally would not pup?
sandy0225
09-25-2009, 06:13 AM
I'm sure that the tc chemicals cause them to pup more. I bought some bordelon tc's this spring and they must have overloaded them on whatever chemical causes them to go into the multiplication stage. I still have some of them in the greenhouse because I yellow-tagged them (means hands off--they're mine) in the greenhouse so I can split them up. They have like 8-10 plants roughly the same size coming up in the pots, like a mini clump. I had a margarita that did the same thing and I split it up and made like 10 more out of it. I still have one of them like that too.
I wonder what chemical that is and what would happen if you hit, say an ae ae with it?
revensen
01-21-2013, 08:53 PM
I have an Ensete Glaucum from seed that's about 1.5 years old and threw a pup! The seeds were from Bananatree.com. Here is a picture of the banana, this photo does not show the pup. The small banana next to the Ensete is a musa itinerans. I will post the pup photo tomorrow after I photograph it in the morning.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/davidnsen/IMG_2455_zpsd11688ec.jpg
LilRaverBoi
01-22-2013, 01:47 AM
Are you positive that is E. glaucum? Doesn't really look like mine at all.
revensen
01-22-2013, 07:02 AM
Not positive. Seeds were from bananatree. Here's another image from earlier this summer. The banana has been grown in full Florida sun. When I lived in CR my bananas looked different than they do down here. Post some pictures of your Ensete Glaucum, we can compare.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/davidnsen/IMG_1700_zpsa8f1905e.jpg
jmoore
01-22-2013, 12:47 PM
Not Glaucum, not sure what it is, but definately not glaucum.
The pup is a clue.
Having thought about it, I think it looks like a burmese blue and your itinerans is probably a yunnanensis
LilRaverBoi
01-22-2013, 03:54 PM
Here's mine at the end of the summer.
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz186/LilRaverBoi308/Enseteglaucum9-3-12.jpg
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz186/LilRaverBoi308/Glaucumbase9-3-12.jpg
Note the upright stature and very waxy white pstem which is characteristic of glaucum.
revensen
01-22-2013, 05:00 PM
Thanks Jmoore, the little banana on the left was from seed too, seeds were sold to me as a Musa itinerans (Burmese Blue) from rarepalmseeds.com. The banana had amazing color when it was a pup.
Thanks for posting Bryan, that Ensete is beautiful.
LilRaverBoi
01-23-2013, 02:54 PM
Thanks! Wish it still looked that full. It lost all its leaves for some reason when I transplanted it and moved it in for winter. It has since sent out three leaves and looks decent, but it isn't quite the same. I'm sure it will look very nice next summer.
revensen
01-24-2013, 09:27 AM
I'm glad it's recovering. Should have a good head start for spring and summer when it goes back outside. Here's the unknown pup pushing through the mulch.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/davidnsen/IMG_2668_zps98efeb49.jpg
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