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tophersmith
01-14-2009, 10:50 AM
OK so I am ordering some Musa Margarita (chartreuse yellow Siam Ruby). If interested the TC will be available by early May for shipping I will have pictures in a week or 2. I am thinking $15 + shipping
CookieCows
01-14-2009, 11:24 AM
Yes please count me in!!
Tog Tan
01-14-2009, 11:26 AM
Very interesting Chris. Yellow SR, I have yet to hear about it. Where did it originate from? Please keep us posted. Thanks!:ha:
Put me down for one.......THANKS!
tophersmith
01-14-2009, 11:58 AM
Very interesting Chris. Yellow SR, I have yet to hear about it. Where did it originate from? Please keep us posted. Thanks!:ha:
Agristarts was able to ID the trait and replicate it
damaclese
01-14-2009, 12:13 PM
Im up for one or two keep me posted
Tog Tan
01-14-2009, 12:56 PM
Thanks again Chris. Checked their site and saw it on their listing. Good man, you getting it sorted out for the people here. Keep up the good work.:ha:
mm4birds
01-14-2009, 12:58 PM
please put me on the list also :woohoonaner:
Chironex
01-14-2009, 01:12 PM
Chris, I was just looking at these yesterday on the Agristarts website. Unless I am reading it incorrectly, these are like $1.00 per plantlet, minimum order of 72, plus shipping. If shipping and handling comes to $28 (assumption for round numbers) that's $100. for 72 plants, or around $1.39/plantlet. How do you come up with $15/plant, plus shipping?
Am I missing something?
tophersmith
01-14-2009, 01:21 PM
Scot,
You are not missing anything aside from getting incorporated and sending them your tax id info and raising 72 plants of which 15% perish over the next 4 months. If you feel the price is not fair I am sure Stokes or Plant Delights will be offering them before long. Of course then you would be going outside the family.
Chironex
01-14-2009, 01:26 PM
Thanks for your reply.
harveyc
01-14-2009, 11:37 PM
Chris, Agri-Starts does not require its customers to incorporate. When I spoke to them previously about purchasing something from them, they did not even mention needing my Taxpayer I.D. or Employer Identification Number.
Do you have any photos of what larger versions of these plants look like?
cedardave
01-15-2009, 12:13 AM
put me down for 2 please....and so it begins again
tophersmith
01-15-2009, 06:58 AM
Do you have any photos of what larger versions of these plants look like?
Agristarts told me they would have some in about a month or so, they are in there busy season right now so it may be a little longer.
sandy0225
01-15-2009, 04:15 PM
I don't think Margarita is the same as the yellow form Siam Ruby, because they're offering them separately as "siam Yellow" at a different price. I have a few of the margarita coming. Maybe Ty will speak up here if he reads this and let us know.
sandy0225
01-15-2009, 04:23 PM
p.s. Siam yellow isn't new. It's the ones that don't turn out as red ones during tissue culture.
tophersmith
01-15-2009, 04:56 PM
p.s. Siam yellow isn't new. It's the ones that don't turn out as red ones during tissue culture.
Sandy,
Correct Siam yellow just has a yellow flower with green leaves :(
Margarita sounds really unique
sandy0225
01-19-2009, 07:12 PM
I ordered a few of the Margarita, coming with my next order. But I haven't seen a picture or even a description of them. I just saw they had a new one I hadn't grown yet...They should be herein the next week or so, It's been too cold for them to ship here, so they're holding my order. I don't think they're going to be all that special, or else they'd be asking more $$ for them....lol....
MediaHound
01-19-2009, 08:30 PM
I spoke to Ty about these and this is what he told me:
Right now Margarita is our newest release & we are awaiting feedback from growers on its performance. We have had some repeat business so that is a good sign. We selected for the bright yellow chartreuse color. Supposedly yellow is going to be the color of 2009, so we have been trying to put together a line of yellow plants.
momoese
01-19-2009, 09:23 PM
I spoke to Ty about these and this is what he told me:
Oh yellow is definitely the color of 2009. Just look at the leaves on pretty much all my plants right now!! :ha:
buzzwinder
01-19-2009, 09:27 PM
Oh yellow is definitely the color of 2009. Just look at the leaves on pretty much all my plants right now!! :ha:
I feel your pain Mitchel, mine are either yellow or I've had to remove the leaves because of spider mites, but so far, Yellow it is for 09! :bananas_b
harveyc
01-19-2009, 09:28 PM
Rats, I got the message wrong and have been working on brown! ;)
momoese
01-19-2009, 09:30 PM
Rats, I got the message wrong and have been working on brown! ;)
:ha: Harvey has yellow envy!
buzzwinder
01-19-2009, 09:32 PM
:ha:
harveyc
01-19-2009, 09:51 PM
pretty sad, eh? LOL
Oh, I should say, I'm not too envious. I have nearly a full bunch of bananas turning yellow right now. I just ate one and have another 30 that are yellow and Pete was just warning me about getting constipated. I told him I'd take my chances. ;)
Edit: See http://www.bananas.org/f2/banana-bunches-harvested-december-28-2008-a-6742.html for an update I just posted!
buzzwinder
01-19-2009, 09:58 PM
OH GREAT!!!! Now I have Yellow ENVY :) Congrats Harvey I can only be patient and wait for a bloom let alone nanners, and watch out for the constipation thing, I hear it can be a pain in the Butt! more so than spider mites! :bananas_b
chong
01-20-2009, 12:36 AM
Canstipation???? With bananas??? I've never heard of such a thing. If anything, it's the other way around, from my experience. I have a few friends who signed up to join the Navy, and they ate lots and lots of bananas in order to "make the weight". And after their physical, they had the runs!
Bananaman88
01-20-2009, 07:31 AM
A great subject we're on here! I've always heard that eating too many bananas can cause constipation. In fact, I've heard eating bananas is supposed to be a cure for diarrhea.
harveyc
01-20-2009, 11:43 AM
Pretty strange turn this discussion has turned to. Who started that??? :o
mskitty38583
01-20-2009, 01:47 PM
Oh yellow is definitely the color of 2009. Just look at the leaves on pretty much all my plants right now!! :ha:
i was starting to feel all was wrong with the nana world.....i have lovely shades of yellow on certian nanas right now too. lol!
john_ny
01-22-2009, 03:43 PM
I have a bunch of these Margarita plants. Very pretty. Hope to be able to put up a picture in a day or two.
john_ny
01-23-2009, 03:23 PM
Here are some pictures of Margarita. I put a Dwarf cavendish next to it, to compare color.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=15373&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15373&ppuser=826)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=15375 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15374&ppuser=826)
The Margarita is on the left.
mskitty38583
01-23-2009, 03:50 PM
are both from seed?
john_ny
01-23-2009, 04:04 PM
These are from tissue culture. Dwarf Cavendish is an edible, and doesn't have seeds. I don't know about Margarita; I just liked the color.
Jack Daw
01-23-2009, 06:01 PM
This is just a bad product of tissue culture, where the plant doesn't get the red color in older age, isn't it?
chong
01-23-2009, 06:06 PM
This is just a bad product of tissue culture, where the plant doesn't get the red color in older age, isn't it?
yeah. You're right. But some of us are just plain curious and impulsive. We just gotta have some!
harveyc
01-23-2009, 06:13 PM
are both from seed?
Sam, if we still had those expert badges we'd have to put you on suspension for that question. Just joking!!! :P
mskitty38583
01-23-2009, 06:29 PM
Sam, if we still had those expert badges we'd have to put you on suspension for that question. Just joking!!! :P
yeah i know i didnt relize what i had wrote till i had left the puter. then it was like duh. im sure someone would catch it. and it just happened to be you. LOL! i was MEANING was the margaritta from seed. is that better? its been a weird day for me.
CookieCows
01-23-2009, 06:43 PM
yeah i know i didnt relize what i had wrote till i had left the puter. then it was like duh. im sure someone would catch it. and it just happened to be you. LOL! i was MEANING was the margaritta from seed. is that better? its been a weird day for me.
Don't ya hate it when your life gets out of kilter?:2715:
harveyc
01-23-2009, 07:32 PM
That's not really much better, Sam. Magarita is a mutation of Siam Ruby and, to date, nobody has seen Siam Ruby fruit. Where would these seeds come from?? ;)
Get those kids to poke you with that cattle prod for me! LOL
Harvey the antagonist
john_ny
01-23-2009, 08:32 PM
As I said before, I have no idea whether Marguerite is ornamental, or edible, but I liked the color.
tophersmith
02-04-2009, 03:45 PM
The Musa Margarita's arrived today healthy and small. To be fair I have changed the price to $5 or 4 for $15. I will post some pics once I can bring them outside and see what there true color will be (probably 2 months). I do not beleive it's safe to ship before than anyway as the banana's are just 5" tall. I'll keep this price until I am down to 6 left.
mm4birds
02-05-2009, 08:51 PM
what is TAHN? :bananas_b
Chironex
02-05-2009, 09:13 PM
what is TAHN? :bananas_b
Where did you see it? Perhaps it is simply a typo for 'than'?
chong
02-05-2009, 10:01 PM
what is TAHN? :bananas_b
here did you see it? Perhaps it is simply a typo for 'than'?
I think he means "then"(referring to the timing). Although, yes, it is a typo.
tophersmith
02-13-2009, 05:03 PM
The Musa Margarita's arrived today healthy and small. To be fair I have changed the price to $5 or 4 for $15. I will post some pics once I can bring them outside and see what there true color will be (probably 2 months). I do not beleive it's safe to ship before than anyway as the banana's are just 5" tall. I'll keep this price until I am down to 6 left.
Ok some are reaching 10" to the top of the new leaf. 1 week I will be able to send them to warmer climates depending on what the weather is doing up here. To all that are interested in zones 8b and warmer, please send me a PM and I will give out my address for checks along with shipping costs.:woohoonaner:
xavierdlc61887
02-13-2009, 11:30 PM
i just googled that name and got this on the first search!!! yo name tpher :D
New Musa (http://topherstropicals.com/473/index.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*)
john_ny
02-18-2009, 07:15 PM
And my cell phone pictures. Hope th have some better pix up in a couple of days.
just j
02-19-2009, 09:16 AM
Very interesting Chris. Yellow SR, I have yet to hear about it. Where did it originate from? Please keep us posted. Thanks!:ha:
agri starts
just j
02-19-2009, 09:51 AM
QUOTE, I was just looking at these yesterday on the Agristarts website. Unless I am reading it incorrectly, these are like $1.00 per plantlet, minimum order of 72, plus shipping. If shipping and handling comes to $28 (assumption for round numbers) that's $100. for 72 plants, or around $1.39/plantlet. How do you come up with $15/plant, plus shipping?
Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]
this is what pisses me off why dont everyone go and apply for a tax id number agri-starts is for dealers that are trying to make a living selling plants to the public not for everyone to buy from i seen a post of ppl getting tray orders together lol its hard these days to sell a plant for 5 bucks let alone 10 i just order a tray of saim rubys and about 10 other bananas i think im gonna order about 5 grand more of **** and just give it to however wants and ill pay the shipping too and tear down my green house and burn them anyone notice that agri-starts dont list the prices anymore on there site cause everyone looks on there and and comes to my place or goes online and bitches says they aint gonna pay that much they arent even gonna pay 5 bucks they want them for a $1.01 they get there plant and i make a profit 1 cent per plant yeah really pays to be in this business these days it hard enought to pay the heating bill and the soil and pots the eletric bill water bill and my time is worth something i think i got kids to feed too im sorry to be a bitch but hey next time i post a wanted add just remember I WANT ALL YOUR PLANTS FOR FREE! LETS SEE HOW MANY I GET!!
tophersmith
02-19-2009, 11:25 AM
QUOTE, I was just looking at these yesterday on the Agristarts website. Unless I am reading it incorrectly, these are like $1.00 per plantlet, minimum order of 72, plus shipping. If shipping and handling comes to $28 (assumption for round numbers) that's $100. for 72 plants, or around $1.39/plantlet. How do you come up with $15/plant, plus shipping?
Am I missing something?
this is what pisses me off why dont everyone go and apply for a tax id number agri-starts is for dealers that are trying to make a living selling plants to the public not for everyone to buy from i seen a post of ppl getting tray orders together lol its hard these days to sell a plant for 5 bucks let alone 10 i just order a tray of saim rubys and about 10 other bananas i think im gonna order about 5 grand more of **** and just give it to however wants and ill pay the shipping too and tear down my green house and burn them anyone notice that agri-starts dont list the prices anymore on there site cause everyone looks on there and and comes to my place or goes online and bitches says they aint gonna pay that much they arent even gonna pay 5 bucks they want them for a $1.01 they get there plant and i make a profit 1 cent per plant yeah really pays to be in this business these days it hard enought to pay the heating bill and the soil and pots the eletric bill water bill and my time is worth something i think i got kids to feed too im sorry to be a bitch but hey next time i post a wanted add just remember I WANT ALL YOUR PLANTS FOR FREE! LETS SEE HOW MANY I GET!!
Wow , well that's one direction to take. It's good to see that Agri-Starts has removed there online pricing although a little late I have always respected nurseries both online and local for what they provide, granted I usually frequent the one who offer a good deal but in some cases quality takes the front seat. Well that's my 2 cents :lurk:
harveyc
02-20-2009, 01:43 AM
Chris, you really need step back and relax.
You've posted this in the main banana forum, not in your own personal classified ad. This is the same forum where people give away plants to other forum members, offer free advice, etc. Also, being in business, you should be prepared to have people question your pricing. That is something that comes with the business. The problem isn't that Agri-Starts published their prices but that people don't consider the order size required, costs of growing to a larger plant, and need to cover one's overhead in a business. Along with that, people aren't accustomed to seeing someone advertise something for a profit in the main banana forum.
I asked before but don't see that you've addressed this: where is it that you see that Agri-Starts requires a customer to apply for a taxpayer I.D.? When I discussed an order with them before this was never brought up. My farm sales are reported under my social security number (which is my taxpayer I.D.) even though I have a reseller's permit, Employer Identification Number, etc. You also once stated that a customer needed to be incorporated. That's just not right.
Sure you're entitled to a profit. But when you post on this forum other members are also entitled to ask questions without getting replies with profanity.
Good luck,
Harvey
Patty in Wisc
02-20-2009, 03:19 AM
Well said Harvey.
There are other forums that won't let businesses use their forum to sell goods. Although, they can pay to advertise there (example: MillerMackenzie).
So are you saying that these are the margaritas, right? Oh sure, I'll take 4. I was craving a banana with the blackest leaf, but everything in my yeard is now dead from the hard winter's kill anyway, so chartreuse will be a good contrast.
tophersmith
02-20-2009, 09:31 AM
:05:Chris, you really need step back and relax.
You've posted this in the main banana forum, not in your own personal classified ad. This is the same forum where people give away plants to other forum members, offer free advice, etc. Also, being in business, you should be prepared to have people question your pricing. That is something that comes with the business. The problem isn't that Agri-Starts published their prices but that people don't consider the order size required, costs of growing to a larger plant, and need to cover one's overhead in a business. Along with that, people aren't accustomed to seeing someone advertise something for a profit in the main banana forum.
I asked before but don't see that you've addressed this: where is it that you see that Agri-Starts requires a customer to apply for a taxpayer I.D.? When I discussed an order with them before this was never brought up. My farm sales are reported under my social security number (which is my taxpayer I.D.) even though I have a reseller's permit, Employer Identification Number, etc. You also once stated that a customer needed to be incorporated. That's just not right.
Sure you're entitled to a profit. But when you post on this forum other members are also entitled to ask questions without getting replies with profanity.
Good luck,
Harvey
OK hang on a minute;
1'st off I have never used profanity on this website
2'nd I plan to list on the clssifieds once the plants get big enough and we are passed most everyone freeze date. It's just when you have a large number of these bananas you want to get a feel how many people eant some.
3rd You will notice I greatly reduced the price from my initial post as I thought better of making a profit on people who I consider my peers (aka fellow banana nuts)
Lastly I hope I have not alienated anyone on this site as I have enjoyed it immensely.
Lagniappe
02-20-2009, 09:55 AM
Anyone can buy, let's say, one large petunia hanging basket for $35, a 6" pot for $10, a partial flat (6 pack) for $2.50, a pack of seeds (20 or so pelletized) for $1, a Thousand seed for $15, pounds of seed for ???...
My point is, That person is buying the size plant they want for a reasonable price. Not everyone is going to want seed or starts. If someone wants a single plant that is already established and can go right into the landscape, they will be willing to pay for it. If that person is thrifty and needs a lot of plants,they may choose to buy smaller ones with the price one would expect to pay for that amount of material.
The same goes for plastic cups. If you want to buy a sleeve of 25 cups, the cups will cost a lot more than a case of the same.
If you want a bag of perlite, you have a choice of paying $5 for a small bag or $15 for a whopping 4 cubes.
I think $5 is a great price for starts when one wants to buy one or a few pieces. $15 would be better for plants that have grown on to be a 1.5' tall or so and have a bit of corm.
1,500 % mark up for just reshipping is far too much. For the small amount of labor involved with potting them and growing them on for a short while this price would be more appropriate.
Just my opinion.
tophersmith
02-20-2009, 09:57 AM
Chris, Agri-Starts does not require its customers to incorporate. When I spoke to them previously about purchasing something from them, they did not even mention needing my Taxpayer I.D. or Employer Identification Number.
Do you have any photos of what larger versions of these plants look like?
Several years ago when I first started buying plants from Agri-Starts I was asked for a tax id #. The way I was told to get one ( from my town) was to file a C corp (a business becomes incoporated) at which time a tax id # is provided to you via the government.
Hope this clears up your question
just j
02-20-2009, 11:23 AM
oh wow u took it the wrong way look if you dont like the price that someone throws at you go somewhere else dont make a post about how crazy it is and that they get it from a wholesaler that is chargeing one price and u think they should charge another because u seen the wholesale price list do u go to walmart grab something off the shelf and go to the costomer service counter and tell them your u want that product for what they paid for it NO SO WHY DO IT TO PEOPLE ON HERE i could careless less about this topic or selling stuff on here or who buys from agristarts i was just stickin up for someone all i know is i buy from agri-starts and many other companys if some wants what i got there gonna pay what i say and no questions aked 10 bucks is a pretty good deal to the average person that goes to a green house and buys a musa the saim rubys are 12 and i only seen one other retail place sell them that cheap OH AND SORRY EVERYONE FOR CALLING MY SELF THE B WORD
harveyc
02-20-2009, 12:19 PM
Chris, sorry for not recognizing your post was quoting "just j" which is the post that contained the profanity I referenced. Your comments are confusing as it's not clear that you're quoting someone. It would help if you just clicked on that little quote button at the bottom of the post you want to quote. Or you could just use that little balloon button at the top of the reply box (to the right of the picture insert button).
I see a lot of people making posts where they are quoting someone without using the quote button and it just makes the discussion very confusing. In this discussion it was doubling confusing as "just j" quoted you without using the quote button and then you quoted "just j" without using the quote button. I'm certain more people than just me were scratching their head.
Too bad you went through the hassle of incorporating. Your social security number is your taxpayer I.D. and millions of businesses in the U.S. run as a sole proprietorship and simply use their social security number. In some places you might need a business license but its not required to operate a farm in California.
Again, good luck with your sales. I'm interested in seeing what these look like though I'm probably sitting this one out as I have already spent more than I ever imagined on inedible bananas.
chong
02-21-2009, 01:40 AM
Chris, sorry for not recognizing your post was quoting "just j" which is the post that contained the profanity I referenced. Your comments are confusing as it's not clear that you're quoting someone. It would help if you just clicked on that little quote button at the bottom of the post you want to quote. Or you could just use that little balloon button at the top of the reply box (to the right of the picture insert button).
I see a lot of people making posts where they are quoting someone without using the quote button and it just makes the discussion very confusing. In this discussion it was doubling confusing as "just j" quoted you without using the quote button and then you quoted "just j" without using the quote button. I'm certain more people than just me were scratching their head.
..............
Thanks for bringing it up, Harvey.
I had similar complaints from other members, even before your above post, and I wanted to make the clarification earlier that Tophersmith was just responding to just_j's comments. But unfortunately, I was at work and could not do it right away. I've already corrected the subject post. If you read it again, I'm sure that you will notice the difference.
harveyc
02-21-2009, 01:49 AM
Thanks, Chong. The post by "Just J" right above that one also needs some fixing. Kind of funny (?) in hindsight as Just J was quoting someone else (but I didn't realize it) and tophersmit then was quoting Just J and I realize it either. Who said what???
Now, the only problem, is that my post this afternoon doesn't really make sense but since it's been replied to (and quoted in a readily apparent manner), it wouldn't be right to delete it.
Can we interrupt this discussion with a photo of the banana in question?????? ;)
Thanks again,
Harvey
chong
02-21-2009, 02:36 AM
Thanks, Chong. The post by "Just J" right above that one also needs some fixing. Kind of funny (?) in hindsight as Just J was quoting someone else (but I didn't realize it) and tophersmit then was quoting Just J and I realize it either. Who said what???
Now, the only problem, is that my post this afternoon doesn't really make sense but since it's been replied to (and quoted in a readily apparent manner), it wouldn't be right to delete it.
Can we interrupt this discussion with a photo of the banana in question?????? ;)
Thanks again,
Harvey
Since I have quite a few Margaritas now, I can say with conviction that this is the same plant that I got the first time I received my original "Siam Ruby" in April of 2007. Here is the photo of the plant then:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=3148&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3148&ppuser=567)
In June, 2007, I received a replacement plant from Brian, and here is a side by side comparison of the two plants.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=3699&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3699&ppuser=567)
My caveat with the second picture when I posted it then, goes: "Side by side comparison of last week's arrival and last April's shipment. The Siam Ruby "Green" is actually lighter yellow-green, but because the photo was taken with my Fuji S9000, it came out a little darker green than it actually is. Fuji digital cameras, like the Fuji films produces photos that favor green heavily compared to others.(June 20, 2007)"
If you can imagine the above description "lighter yellow-green", that would be "Chartreuse". And that is what I have now.
damaclese
02-21-2009, 08:23 AM
chong nice pic thanks for the comparison shot. I have to say that my Margareta's look a hole lot more chartreuse. Thire almost pea green next to yours I'm laughing thou as they are probably a bit light deprived !
harveyc
02-21-2009, 11:59 AM
Chong, you need photo editing software to adjust your color balance. Your camera probably came with something that can do that (I use Photoshop). I could adjust it for you but wouldn't know what it should look like.
chong
02-21-2009, 03:36 PM
Chong, you need photo editing software to adjust your color balance. Your camera probably came with something that can do that (I use Photoshop). I could adjust it for you but wouldn't know what it should look like.
I did try and use MS Office Photo Manager, but all it did was make it brighter green, not lighter, even with diminished color saturation. I will use another photo editor and see.
chong
02-21-2009, 08:18 PM
I borrowed my daughter's Nikon and took these pictures of the Margaritas today:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=15807&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15807&ppuser=567)
These are as close to the actual color of the plants as I can get them:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=15806&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15806&ppuser=567)
tophersmith
02-22-2009, 10:21 AM
Chong,
Mine look the same, which are much brighter than the Siam Ruby's that never turned red last year. I will try and post some side by side
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