View Full Version : History was made tonight
momoese
11-04-2008, 11:53 PM
A half black man will soon be the leader of our country. I guess he can now ride at the front of the bus! :0519:
saltydad
11-05-2008, 12:01 AM
<style></style>"I Didn't Vote for Obama <o:p></o:p> I'm a middle-class white guy living in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Jacksonville</st1:city> , <st1:state w:st="on">Florida</st1:state></st1:place> I've got a wife and two kids. Because the kids had no school today, I took a vacation day from work, and took the kids downtown to vote early. Fifty-nine minutes later, two smiling children and I proudly sported "I Voted" stickers. <o:p></o:p>
But I didn't vote for Obama. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for my ancestors, who believed in the promise of this country and came with nothing as immigrants.
I voted for my parents, who taught in the public schools for decades. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for Steve, an acquaintance of mine from <st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kentucky</st1:place></st1:state>. (Killed by an IED two years ago in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region> ). <o:p></o:p>
I voted for Shawn, another who's been to <st1:country-region w:st="on">Iraq</st1:country-region> twice, and <st1:country-region w:st="on">Afghanistan</st1:country-region> once, and who'll be going back to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Afghanistan</st1:place></st1:country-region> again soon -- and whose family earned eleven bucks a month too much to qualify for food stamps when the war started. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for April, the only African-American girl in my high school -- it was years before it occurred to me how different her experience of our school must have been. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for my college friends who are Christian, Jewish, Mormon, and yes -- Muslim. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for my grandfathers, who worked hard in factories and died too young. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for the plumber who worked on my house, because I want him to get a REAL tax break. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for four little angels from <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Birmingham</st1:place></st1:city>. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for a bunch of dead white men who, although personally flawed, were willing to pledge their lives, fortunes, <o:p></o:p>
and sacred honor, and used a time of great crisis to expand freedom rather than suspend it. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for all those people and more, and I voted for all of you, too. But mostly, I voted selfishly. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for two little kids, one who has ballet in an hour, and one who has baseball practice at the same time. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for a world where they can be confident that their government will represent the best that is in this country, <o:p></o:p>
and that will in turn demand the best of them. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for a government that will be respected in the world. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for an economy that will reward work above guile. <o:p></o:p>
I voted for everything I believe in. <o:p></o:p>
Sure, I filled in the circle next to the name Obama, but it wasn't him I was voting for -- it was every single one of us, and those I love most of all. <o:p></o:p>
Who else is there to vote for? <o:p></o:p>
Vote like it's about a better <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region> . ....Because it is...." <o:p></o:p>
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paradisi
11-05-2008, 03:32 AM
if only your country would adopt compulsory voting - you'd have excitement and the unknown every four years.
to those who voted for a black fella good onya
for those who voted for whoever they thought was the better of two options - good onya
for those who voted good onya
from what I've seen in news reports in australia there were no losers in this election - a massive record voter turnout shows there's hopes for democracy even in the USA :-)
CookieCows
11-05-2008, 08:46 AM
Well history would have been made no matter which side won but congrats to all who got the president of their choice!
Deb
D_&_T
11-05-2008, 10:25 AM
I voted. The only thing that I can say about Obama winning is that he actually had a really nice speech last night. Maybe he will bring this country together, not push us further apart.
lt_eggbeater
11-05-2008, 10:42 AM
A half black man will soon be the leader of our country. I guess he can now ride at the front of the bus! :0519:
Well I guess this must mean that they are going to do away with affirmative action. It must be obvious to all but the most dense that it is certainly not needed any longer.
lorax
11-05-2008, 10:45 AM
:woohoonaner:
We can all breathe a little easier down here in South America. I know everybody in Ecuador was rooting for Obama, because it's very very unlikely that he'll invade us. We saw it as a real possibility if McCain got in....
:woohoonaner:
Richard
11-05-2008, 03:04 PM
I thought I was hearing the real John McCain last night for the first time in several months.
momoese
11-05-2008, 03:26 PM
I thought I was hearing the real John McCain last night for the first time in several months.
I was thinking the same thing.
It was a bad choice taking on Palin. Of course we probably haven't heard the last of her. Looks like the smart folks of Alaska re elected Ted Stevens even though he'll get tossed by the Dems leaving the door open for Palin or Begich. Gads!
lt_eggbeater
11-05-2008, 03:37 PM
Glad I shorted the market yesterday.
lt_eggbeater
11-05-2008, 04:01 PM
Jackpot!! Down over 500 points!!! Thankyou Mr. Obama!!!
modenacart
11-05-2008, 05:51 PM
:woohoonaner:
We can all breathe a little easier down here in South America. I know everybody in Ecuador was rooting for Obama, because it's very very unlikely that he'll invade us. We saw it as a real possibility if McCain got in....
:woohoonaner:
I am sure that wasn't very likely at all with McCain.
modenacart
11-05-2008, 05:53 PM
I was thinking the same thing.
It was a bad choice taking on Palin. Of course we probably haven't heard the last of her. Looks like the smart folks of Alaska re elected Ted Stevens even though he'll get tossed by the Dems leaving the door open for Palin or Begich. Gads!
The bad Choice wasn't Palin, it was letting her talk to CBS before she was ready. Her voting was very Libertarian on fiscal issues. She had almost no dirt on her unlike most politicians. She was found not to have abused her power by an independant board. She got the very short end of the stick by people who were in love with Obama. The campain manger was to blame big time for the problems McCain had.
lorax
11-05-2008, 06:34 PM
I am sure that wasn't very likely at all with McCain.
Well, consider this: McCain was seen down in South America, (which I don't need to remind you is primarily composed of left-leaning Governments) as an extension of Bush II.
Considering Bush II's policies towards Venezuela (open hate), Ecuador (treat the Presidente like a terrorist), and Bolivia (try to oust the legally elected Presidente) it's not entirely surprising that we figured an invasion was in the works. Those three are also petroleum-producing countries (part of the new cartel of South and Central American Oil Producers) and Bush has a proven track record of invading oil-rich countries.
So there's my reasoning. Personally, I'm Canadian-Ecuadorian, and I'm happy that Obama is in, and not McCain. Largely because I figured that McCain would kick the bucket during his first term, leaving the US with President Palin. Which is more than a little frightening. The USA could do with a bit of old-style moderate thinking, and that's what it seems to me that Obama represents.
modenacart
11-05-2008, 06:41 PM
Well, consider this: McCain was seen down in South America, (which I don't need to remind you is primarily composed of left-leaning Governments) as an extension of Bush II.
Considering Bush II's policies towards Venezuela (open hate), Ecuador (treat the Presidente like a terrorist), and Bolivia (try to oust the legally elected Presidente) it's not entirely surprising that we figured an invasion was in the works. Those three are also petroleum-producing countries (part of the new cartel of South and Central American Oil Producers) and Bush has a proven track record of invading oil-rich countries.
So there's my reasoning. Personally, I'm Canadian-Ecuadorian, and I'm happy that Obama is in, and not McCain. Largely because I figured that McCain would kick the bucket during his first term, leaving the US with President Palin. Which is more than a little frightening. The USA could do with a bit of old-style moderate thinking, and that's what it seems to me that Obama represents.
You do realize that Obama has voted only with his party, so there is no history of him being moderate. McCain was very, very moderate. I only hope that Obama is moderate.
momoese
11-05-2008, 11:02 PM
The bad Choice wasn't Palin, it was letting her talk to CBS before she was ready. Her voting was very Libertarian on fiscal issues. She had almost no dirt on her unlike most politicians. She was found not to have abused her power by an independant board. She got the very short end of the stick by people who were in love with Obama. The campain manger was to blame big time for the problems McCain had.
Are you seriously defending this crackpot? Wow
harveyc
11-05-2008, 11:37 PM
I'm praying for Obama to have the wisdom to lead this country in a just way.
I believe that Pope Benedict is also. See ZENIT - Pope Urges Obama to Build Just World (http://www.zenit.org/article-24161?l=english)
Mitchel, please, there is no need to use divisive language such as that. Many of us admire Sarah Palin, particularly for her strong pro-life views.
momoese
11-06-2008, 12:08 AM
Sorry Harvey, but I call a spade a spade. Maybe I should call her the "C" word like McCain does to his wife? :rolleyes:
harveyc
11-06-2008, 12:42 AM
No, rise above it. Use tact when possible.
My 10 year old was studying tonight about the job of a diplomat and I can loan you the materials if you'd like. Some thoughts are best to be left where the idea originated. ;)
BIGDAWG69
11-06-2008, 02:09 AM
Well I guess this must mean that they are going to do away with affirmative action. It must be obvious to all but the most dense that it is certainly not needed any longer.
Its not fair that companies use AA and someone who is better qualified for a job gets turned down because "we need to fill this position with a minority". I lost a job to AA. I was the highest scoring person on all the tests, but because they needed a "racial minority" and a "gender minority" I was not hired.
But I doubt AA is going to leave us. If it does, companies will have to hire based on qualifications. Well thats going to be called discrimination by the minority groups that rely on AA to get a job. And we all know that we cannot discriminate. So.......AA is here to stay.
CookieCows
11-06-2008, 08:29 AM
AA has already been outlawed in one state ... can't remember which one but I heard it yesterday on CNN.
lt_eggbeater
11-06-2008, 10:13 AM
Its not fair that companies use AA and someone who is better qualified for a job gets turned down because "we need to fill this position with a minority". I lost a job to AA. I was the highest scoring person on all the tests, but because they needed a "racial minority" and a "gender minority" I was not hired.
But I doubt AA is going to leave us. If it does, companies will have to hire based on qualifications. Well thats going to be called discrimination by the minority groups that rely on AA to get a job. And we all know that we cannot discriminate. So.......AA is here to stay.
Certainly if a minority person holds the highest office in the country, and he was elected by the countries population, this proves AA is no longer needed.
chong
11-06-2008, 02:59 PM
AA has already been outlawed in one state ... can't remember which one but I heard it yesterday on CNN.
California - 1996
Washington - 1998
Michigan - 2006
modenacart
11-06-2008, 04:16 PM
Are you seriously defending this crackpot? Wow
All I ever see you do is throw stones. Not everyone thinks the same things are important as you do.
momoese
11-06-2008, 04:19 PM
All I ever see you do is throw stones. Not everyone thinks the same things are important as you do.
If you think the future of this country is important then you do think the same thing I do.
harveyc
11-06-2008, 04:52 PM
Mitchel, we all think the future of our country is extremely important and many of us do not think as you do.
Just think how crowded your neighborhood would be if we all thought exactly as you do! ;)
lt_eggbeater
11-06-2008, 04:54 PM
If you think the future of this country is important then you do think the same thing I do.
I have to say momo, that is just about the most ignornant post you have made. While I don't agree with most of your political views, I would never go so far as to say that if you don't believe what I believe you don't care about the future of the country. Thats kind of an I'm always right and there is no gray area just black and white view, isn't it? Sounds a little intolerant coming from a left thinking liberal type of guy. Maybe that's not how you meant it to seem, but it sure comes off that way.
momoese
11-06-2008, 04:57 PM
When Palin and her husband were both AIP members that says to me that they are not safe to anywhere near the White house. Care to disagree?
harveyc
11-06-2008, 05:51 PM
Yeah, I care to disagree. Sarah Palin was not a member of the AIP and that is in her husband's past. Political Punch (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/the-alaska-divi.html)
Mitchel, based on prior comments, you don't believe an unborn child with a heartbeat, brain waves, limbs and its own DNA is human and has the right to life. Many of us believe strongly and believe ripping their limbs off of them or burning them to death with a saline solution cannot be justified by anyone in this nation. Yet Obama has extremely strong views in support of this genocide to the point that he is unwilling to even protect the lives of those aborted babies who, by the grace of God, happen to be born alive. How anyone can support such crimes against humanity and get the support of our citizens to become our President baffles many of us.
momoese
11-06-2008, 06:07 PM
Oh really! While we may not be able to prove it, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that she was and that she still clings to their beliefs. It has been solidly proven that her husband was for many years. Talk about palin' around with extremest!
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momoese
11-06-2008, 06:15 PM
Though Chryson belongs to a fringe political party, one that advocates the secession of Alaska from the Union, and that organizes with other like-minded secessionist movements from Canada to the Deep South, he is not without peculiar influence in state politics, especially the rise of Sarah Palin. An obscure figure outside of Alaska, Chryson has been a political fixture in the hometown of the Republican vice-presidential nominee for over a decade. During the 1990s, when Chryson directed the AIP, he and another radical right-winger, Steve Stoll, played a quiet but pivotal role in electing Palin as mayor of Wasilla and shaping her political agenda afterward. Both Stoll and Chryson not only contributed to Palin's campaign financially, they played major behind-the-scenes roles in the Palin camp before, during and after her victory.
But whether the Palins participated directly in shaping the AIP's program is less relevant than the extent to which they will implement that program. Chryson and his allies have demonstrated just as much interest in grooming major party candidates as they have in putting forward their own people. At a national convention of secessionist groups in 2007, AIP vice chairman Dexter Clark announced that his party would seek to "infiltrate" the Democratic and Republican parties with candidates sympathetic to its hard-right, secessionist agenda. "You should use that tactic. You should infiltrate," Clark told his audience of neo-Confederates, theocrats and libertarians. "Whichever party you think in that area you can get something done, get into that party. Even though that party has its problems, right now that is the only avenue."
MediaHound
11-06-2008, 07:07 PM
Please try and keep the rest of it in the chatroom perhaps.... I can see this ending with people packing their bags and I hate it when that happens.
MediaHound
11-09-2008, 09:25 AM
I just want to update the thread and thank you guys... I know its a topic that we are passionate about... and I realize the restraint is hard. So for that I commend you guys.
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