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Rafa
10-30-2008, 01:19 AM
hi how is everyone i m new to this , does anyone know were i may purchase a tango mandarin tree , i m in california

Tog Tan
10-30-2008, 01:43 AM
Welcome to the .org Rafa... I am sure someone will know 'cos I am not from around here...

MediaHound
10-30-2008, 03:58 PM
Welcome aboard, good luck finding it!
We have a few members here who do citrus trees in California.
If I were you, I would start by sending these guys a PM:
Bananas.org - View Profile: JoeReal (http://www.bananas.org/member-joereal.html)
Bananas.org - View Profile: bencelest (http://www.bananas.org/member-bencelest.html)
If they cannot help, let me know I will suggest some other members who might be able to.
Cheers

harveyc
11-06-2008, 12:25 AM
Back in June I bought one for myself and and another for Joe Real at Bonita Creek Nursery, east of San Diego. They were all supplied by Brokaw Nursery, FYI. I believe Four Winds plans to have them available before long and they do mail orders.

bencelest
11-06-2008, 01:39 AM
I already emailed Rafa for what I know about the Tango mandarin.

bencelest
11-06-2008, 09:58 AM
Here's my latest research.
Tango will be available for the June 2007 UCR Budwood cut.
Rafa: Since Tango is so new I believe you will have a hard time getting a budwood of that tree but Joe Real has got one recently because of his affiliation with Davis University and successfully graftied them to his other citrus plants. But it is going to take time to cut a budwood from his grafts.
For those of you who are wondering what is a tango mandarin:
As per Joe Real input:
Title: Mandarin variety named 'Tango'
Document Type and Number:bUnited States Patent 20070056064
Kind Code: P1
Link to this page:Mandarin variety named 'Tango' - Patent Application 20070056064 (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20070056064.html)

Abstract:
A new mandarin variety called `Tango` is distinguished by production of fruit that combines mid to late season maturity, moderately large fruit size, very smooth rind texture with a deep orange color, and a rich, sweet flavor. It further distinguishes itself by being very low seeded and easy to peel.

Representative Image: Mandarin variety named 'Tango'
Inventors: Roose, Mikeal L. (Riverside, CA, US)
Williams, Timothy E. (Riverside, CA, US)
Application Number: 220875
Filing Date: 09/06/2005
Publication Date: 03/08/2007
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Assignee: The Regents of the University of California
Primary Class:PLT/202
International Classes: A01H 5/00 20060101 A01H005/00
Attorney, Agent or Firm: TOWNSEND AND TOWNSEND AND CREW, LLP TWO EMBARCADERO CENTER EIGHTH FLOOR SAN FRANCISCO CA 94111-3834 US

Claims:
1. A new and distinct variety of mandarin hybrid tree having the characteristics essentially as described and illustrated herein.
Description:


LATIN NAME OF THE GENUS AND SPECIES

[0001] The mandarin cultivar of this invention is botanically identified as Citrus reticulata.

VARIETY DENOMINATION

[0002] The variety denomination is `Tango`.

BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

[0003] `Tango` is a mandarin selection developed at the University of California Riverside from an irradiated bud of the diploid mandarin cultivar `W. Murcott`, a mid-late season maturing variety. The pedigree of `W. Murcott` mandarin is unknown but is believed to be a seedling selection from a `Murcott` Tangor tree produced in an open-pollinated field. The cultivar `W. Murcott` from which `Tango` was derived may be identical to a mandarin cultivar known as `Afourer` and also as `Nadorcott`. The name `W. Murcott` was assigned to a mandarin cultivar which was imported into the United States as buds in 1985 from Morocco. `Afourer` and `Nadorcott` are known to have originated in Morocco. `Nadorcott` was patented in the United States in 1997 under U.S. Plant Pat. No. 10,480 (filed in January 1997). `W. Murcott` was first commercially available in California in 1992-1993.

[0004] `Tango` originated as a single plant and was asexually reproduced by grafting of budwood onto rootstocks. `Tango` was selected and propagated as follows. Irradiation of `W. Murcott` budwood taken from registered trees in the Foundation Block at the University of California Lindcove Research and Extension Center (LREC), Lindcove, Calif. was accomplished in June, 1995 at Riverside using 50 Gray units of gamma irradiation from a Cobalt-60 irradiation source. Buds from this irradiation were propagated onto various rootstocks in the greenhouse at Riverside where they were grown to field-plantable-sized trees. These trees were planted in June 1996 at Riverside. Fruit production and evaluation began in 1998. One tree from this irradiated population (propagated on `C32` citrange rootstock) distinguished itself from the others in having fruit that had very low seed counts with excellent fruit quality and normal fruit production characteristics in comparison to the original `W. Murcott` cultivar. After two seasons of fruiting, this tree (now named `Tango`), was selected for further trials in 1999 and in January 2000 buds were taken and propagated onto `Carrizo` and C35 citrange rootstock. Budwood was also sent to the University of California Citrus Clonal Protection Program (CCPP) in April 2000 for evaluation of disease status and elimination of viruses and other pathogens as needed.

[0005] Twenty trees were planted at Riverside in June 2001. Fruit production on these 20 trees commenced in 2003. In October 2001 the Citrus Clonal Protection Program sent two trees of `Tango`, which had been produced from budwood which CCPP had tested and certified as tristeza-free, to the University of California Lindcove Research and Extension Center where they were planted in the citrus breeding block. Further propagations from the original selection tree in 2001 were made at Riverside and in June 2002 twenty trees were planted at the University of California South Coast Research and Extension Center (SCREC) in Irvine, Calif., and 15 trees were planted at Santa Paula, Calif.

[0006] Fruit production of these propagated trees (at LREC, SCREC and Santa Paula) commenced in 2003 (a few trees at each site) and 2004 (all trees at all sites). In July 2002 budwood was taken from the LREC trees and topworked onto a navel orange/`Carrizo` citrange tree at LREC. In September 2002 eighteen trees, produced from CCPP budwood were planted at Arvin Calif. In August 2003 thirty-six additional trees were propagated at LREC from budwood taken from the LREC trees and in April 2004, twelve were planted at the University of California Coachella Valley Agricultural Research Station in Thermal, Calif., and in June 2004, twenty-four trees (twelve at each site) were planted at two sites, LREC and Woodlake, Calif. All trials were propagated on `Carrizo` and `C35` citrange rootstocks.

BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

[0007] The present invention provides a novel mandarin variety having the characteristics described and illustrated herein. The variety, `Tango`, is a mandarin selection developed at the University of California Riverside from an irradiated bud of the diploid mandarin cultivar `W. Murcott`, a mid-late season maturing variety. `Tango` combines mid to late season maturity, moderately large fruit size, very smooth rind texture with a deep orange color, and a rich, sweet flavor. It further distinguishes itself by being very low seeded (<1 seed/fruit) and very easy to peel.

[0008] Mid to late season maturing mandarin cultivars in production include `W. Murcott` mandarin (the original cultivar from which `Tango` was derived), `Murcott` Tangor, `Fortune` mandarin, `Ortanique` mandarin, `Temple` Tangor, late-maturing Clementina selections including `Hernandina` and `Nour`, `Dancy` mandarin and `Minneola` tangelo. All of these cultivars will be seedy if grown in the presence of a pollenizer. Some, including the Clementina selections, `Fortune`, `Ortanique`, and `Page` mandarins will have few seeds if no pollenizer is present. Recently released mid to late season cultivars that are very low-seeded include `Gold Nugget` (unpatented), `TDE2` mandarin hybrid (Shasta Gold.RTM.) having U.S. Plant Pat. No. 15,461, `TDE3` mandarin hybrid (Tahoe Gold.RTM.) having U.S. Plant Pat. No. 15,703, and `TDE4` mandarin hybrid (Yosemite Gold.RTM.), having U.S. Publication No. 2003/0237120. `Tango` differs from these cultivars in having fruit with a smoother rind texture that are easier to peel. Trees of `Tango` show less alternate bearing than these cultivars. Additional differences (summarized in Table 6) distinguish it from each of these cultivars.

Richard
11-06-2008, 10:08 AM
...
`Tango` is a mandarin selection developed at the University of California Riverside from an irradiated bud of the diploid mandarin cultivar `W. Murcott`, a mid-late season maturing variety.
...


For those who care about such things, it is a GMO.

bencelest
11-06-2008, 10:14 AM
Richard: What is a GMO?

More from Joe Real's post:

Tango seedless mandarin released for growers

Nov 4, 2006 12:00 PM, By Dan Bryant Freelance Writer dbryant39@comcast.net
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Tango, an irradiated, seedless version of the popular W. Murcott (Afourer) mandarin, has been released by the University of California's Citrus Breeding Program.

The mid- to late-season, easy-to-peel W. Murcott has a global reputation for high quality. It has been widely planted in California, particularly near Bakersfield and Madera, during the past decade, with an estimated 2 to 3 million trees planted, more than half of them bearing.

W. Murcott, distinct from the Murcott also known as Honey in Florida and Arizona, has excellent production with little alternate bearing, and, provided it is isolated from other citrus, it produces seedless fruit.

But in California, where isolated commercial citrus orchards are becoming increasingly rare, many W. Murcott groves have developed seedy, lower-value fruit caused by cross-pollination by other mandarins, Valencia oranges, Minneola tangelos, lemons and other citrus.

The Tango was highlighted in a talk on new varieties by Tracy Kahn, principal museum scientist for the Citrus Variety Collection at UC, Riverside, during a recent citrus day at Tulare, Calif.

Kahn, who conducted field evaluations of Tango at Lindcove and Riverside, explained it was developed as a solution to the W. Murcott seed problem. Tango does not have seeds because it does not produce viable pollen.

The new mandarin, developed by geneticists Mikeal Roose and Tim Williams of the Citrus Breeding Program at UC, Riverside, was the most promising of several W. Murcott selections irradiated to induce mutations for reduced seed counts.

Tango was planted in replicated trials at seven locations in the state, including three fruiting trials planted in 2001 and 2002 and four trials planted in 2003 and 2004 that will bear in 2007.

Fruit sampled this year in locations where cross-pollination occurs showed an average of less than 0.2 seeds per fruit, while W. Murcott trees used as a check averaged 8 to 15 seeds per fruit, Kahn said.

At Riverside, Tango matures in late January and holds fruit quality characteristics through April. It has similar tree and fruit traits to W. Murcott except seediness, although this year Tango fruit had lower acidity than W. Murcott.

Fruit size is moderate at about 2.3 inches and 3.2 ounces, shape is oblate with a deep orange color, and the rind is easily peeled. The flesh is also deep orange colored and has a 12 percent to 14 percent Brix when mature.

Tree growth is upright and production begins the second year after planting. Alternate bearing does not appear to be a significant problem.

Since Tango is from mutation breeding, its genetic stability may be an issue, although more than 60 trees propagated from multiple generations of Tango buds have remained true to type.

The Citrus Breeding Program has received patent-pending protection for Tango. Citrus nurseries licensed by the California Department of Food and Agriculture may purchase a license to propagate the new variety.

Among Kahn's 2005 citrus studies are solids-to-acid ratio evaluations of a group of satsuma varieties, mostly foreign in origin, compared to industry standards Frost Owari, Okitsu Wase and Kuna Wase.

China S-2 and China S-9, reported to have cold hardiness, were imported from Hubai Province in China. Aoshima is an Owari selection and one of the leading late-maturing varieties in Japan. China No. 6 and China No. 7 are two other cold hardy varieties from Hubai Province.

Iveriya comes from the former Soviet Republic of Georgia. Silverhill is a nucellar seedling selection of Owari made by W. T. Swingle in about 1908. Xie Shan is a Chinese variety said to ripen extremely early compared to other varieties grown in China.

Miho Wase is a sister nucellar seedling to Okitsu Wase in Japan. Armstrong is from a selection made at the Louisiana State University Research Station. Miyagawa is a limb sport of Zairai selected in Japan in 1923.

Kahn said those meeting the legal maturity standard for solids-to-acid of 6.5:1 at Lindcove as of Oct. 6, 2005, were Okitsu Wase, China S-9, Xie Shan, Miho Wase, Armstrong, and Miyagawa.

Those with soluble solids above 9 at Lindcove were Frost Owar, Okitsu Wase, Kuno Wase, and Miho. Miyagawa was the sole variety with percentage acidity below 1.0 at Lindcove in early October.

Kahn said all the varieties were found to be above the legal maturity solids-to-acid level by Oct. 20, 2005.

Anil Shrestha, IPM weed ecologist at the UC Kearney Agricultural Center at Parlier, urged growers to manage weed pests wisely to help limit the weed seed bank in the soil.

Herbicide resistance is naturally-occurring event in weeds, and almost every herbicide available in California has encountered resistant weeds in other states, he said.

One important practice is not using the same herbicide repeatedly. Eventually, some individuals survive treatments and develop resistance, which multiplies with each generation. Rotating materials having different modes of action will forestall development of resistance.

One tell-tale sign of resistance is when after an application some weeds die while others of the same species do not, Shrestha said.

Growers should not confuse herbicide resistance with a faulty application, which may be caused by improper timing for stage of growth of the targeted weed species, moisture, rate of material, pH of water used in the spray, or calibration of the spray rig.

In a talk on what to expect in winter weather in central California this season, Steve Mendenhall, National Weather Service meteorologist-in-charge at Hanford, forecasted a “weak to moderate El Nino event.”

But, he added, San Joaquin Valley counties, positioned between wet and dry regions of the western state, can expect neither a dry nor a wet year, based on oceanic and atmospheric indicators in the tropical Pacific Ocean.

“So the overall pattern for December through February is for a milder winter, with near normal rainfall and warmer than usual temperatures, but that does not mean we will have no frost,” he said.

Mendenhall said citrus growers can monitor day-to-day forecasts and charts at National Weather Service - NWS Hanford (http://www.weather.gov/hanford).

harveyc
11-06-2008, 10:24 AM
Tango is patented and only releaseed to nurseries who have signed a royalty agreement, unless you have connections at UCR.

Richard
11-09-2008, 11:53 PM
Richard: What is a GMO?


GMO = genetically modified organism. GMO plants can be the result of "gene splicing", or by trial-and-error using irradiation -- as was done in the case of Tango.

Paula Claro
02-02-2009, 08:45 PM
I am new to this forum and i would like to know how you go about obtaining a Tango mandarin tree, do I have to be a nursery or citrus grower? Is this regulated? Are there certain states where you cannot send these to? Is this difficult to obtain?

Thanks so much. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Paula

Richard
02-02-2009, 09:54 PM
Paula,

The Tango has been available in retail nurseries for a few years now. Let us know where you are located and perhaps a member here can help you pinpoint a nursery that has them in stock.

By the way the Tango is not a mandarin. It's parent is the tangor (orange cross mandarin) W. Murcott. Self-pollinated flowers of W. Murcott were irradiated in hopes of producing a seedless variety. Some of the resulting sprouts did develop seedless fruiting trees, and what was deemed the best of these became what we now call Tango. You can read more about it here: Home Fruit Production - Mandarins (http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/citrus/mandarins.htm) .

harveyc
02-02-2009, 10:49 PM
The first and only time I have seen 'Tango' at a retail nursery was at Bonita Creek in San Diego in June 2008. UCR made an "early" release of budwood in June 2007, limiting 12 buds each to commercial nurseries. CCPP - Citrus News (http://ccpp.ucr.edu/news/VI%20765%20Tango%20Early%20Release.html)

I thought at one time I read that Four Winds was going to have 'Tango' available in 2009, but I have not seen it listed yet. Since they make mail orders and are in northern California (away from quarantine areas), this would be convenient for many hobby growers.

Edit: The trees that were at Bonita Creek were grown by the wholesale nursery Brokaw Nursery so other retail nurseries buying stock from them may also have 'Tango'.

Richard
02-03-2009, 12:50 AM
There were some at Walter Andersen Nursery last year.

bepah
02-03-2009, 10:15 AM
Try this source:
TreeSource Citrus Nursery (http://www.citrustreesource.com/cultivars/tango/)

harveyc
02-03-2009, 08:49 PM
I ordered 30 rootstock from TreeSource a couple of years ago. After a month of not hearing anything, they told me they'd ship them when and if they had the time. I believe that the SCV CRFG chapter (or maybe it was Joe?) organized a group purchase at one point and even then they did not fill orders for many of the requests. I honestly don't think that TreeSource would be a reliable source for hobbyists but would be good if you wanted a commercial planting. Maybe someone here has had a better experience.

Four Winds does list it as one of their future offerings and does have pretty good customer service, from what I've heard. Complete List of Four Winds Dwarf Citrus Varieties (http://www.fourwindsgrowers.com/variety_list.html#future)

Harvey

bepah
02-03-2009, 09:50 PM
I ordered 30 rootstock from TreeSource a couple of years ago. After a month of not hearing anything, they told me they'd ship them when and if they had the time. I believe that the SCV CRFG chapter (or maybe it was Joe?) organized a group purchase at one point and even then they did not fill orders for many of the requests. I honestly don't think that TreeSource would be a reliable source for hobbyists but would be good if you wanted a commercial planting. Maybe someone here has had a better experience.

Four Winds does list it as one of their future offerings and does have pretty good customer service, from what I've heard. Complete List of Four Winds Dwarf Citrus Varieties (http://www.fourwindsgrowers.com/variety_list.html#future)

Harvey

Thanks for refining my suggestion.....consider it withdrawn,,,,:waving::waving:

Richard
02-03-2009, 11:08 PM
I will second that endorsement of Four Winds Growers. I've ordered from them three times and plant to do it again.

harveyc
02-04-2009, 12:00 AM
I do wish the Four Winds would indicate what rootstock is used. I'm not sure if they use mostly Flying Dragon or not, but they do specialize in dwarf citrus.

I e-mailed them a rootstock question today for etrog since there are some limitations on it being grafted for kosher requirements. A Jewish friend was suggesting I try to explore this market.

Harvey

Richard
02-04-2009, 10:10 AM
I do wish the Four Winds would indicate what rootstock is used. I'm not sure if they use mostly Flying Dragon or not, but they do specialize in dwarf citrus.

I e-mailed them a rootstock question today for etrog since there are some limitations on it being grafted for kosher requirements. A Jewish friend was suggesting I try to explore this market.

Harvey

Personally, I wouldn't want Etrog on a dwarfing rootstock -- especially in a cooler winter climate. I would be satisfied with Etrog on a seedling of itself or a Citron-cultivar rootstock. If you want to save some shipping charges, I can check with the sources here and bring you one later this spring when I travel to Davis.

ronniebilt
04-17-2009, 09:12 PM
Hi

Does anyone know were a person could buy a tango mandarin tree.

I live in Sacramento, California.

Thanks in advance

Ronniebilt

conejov
04-17-2009, 09:21 PM
Welcome! This place is great! Everyone is very knowledgable and very open to explaining things.

Is there anything you guys cant do>?

JoeReal
04-17-2009, 09:41 PM
Many hundred thousand acres have been planted to Tango, so that the next few years you buy a box of Cuties, it might well be a Tango. Tango would become so common from the stores, that it is really cheaper to just buy them than grow them, that is of course my opinion. Rather, grow some things that would not be at the same harvest season as tango. There are many other mandarins way better than Tango.

For example, at this very moment, I am enjoying my Page Mandarins which tastes light years better than Tango. I'm also keeping track of my Yosemite Gold, which have ripened in late November, and they do keep very well on the tree, and it should keep well past July, even to August. Long after all the mandarins are gone from the stores, I'm still enjoying them.

Of course, I have a Tango, bought for me by Harvey. I also let Harvey sample my Yosemite Gold last week. The other thing that should taste good is Gold Nugget. But you'll have to wait for it further starting early summer to really taste good. It is also a good keeper that can stay well into early September here in Northern California.

Yosemite Gold and Gold Nugget are seedless just like the Tango with only occassional seeds, still within the limits of definition of seedless citrus fruits.

Yosemite Gold, Gold Nugget and Tango are all patented citruses by UCR. The patents are only strictly enforced if you are commercial grower or commercial propagator. Some professors of UCR freely give budsticks when you visit and if you kindly ask, at least there is implied permission from patent holders which is UC. I got mine from UC speakers who brought along samples of budsticks during their talk. But nonetheless, I give the pound of flesh by buying the patented cultivars from various nurseries.

Tango always runs out of stock and TreeSource cannot keep up with the demand for it, so I could only imagine that the fruits would be so commonly available. I now collect the rarer types of citruses.

harveyc
04-19-2009, 10:40 AM
Joe, where have you tasted Tango? Mine will have fruit this year and I'm hoping for good things from it. My Gold Nugget probably won't fruit until next year, though. Toots at UCR has said that is her favorite. A nurserywoman up in the foothills where there are several mandarin growers told me the other day that her husband's favorite is Tahoe Gold. I liked the Yosemite Gold fruit you gave me the other day and shared it with my wife and she commented that it tasted less like a Mandarin and more like our navels and I think she has a point.

Chironex
04-19-2009, 10:50 AM
....it tasted less like a Mandarin and more like our navels......

???

JoeReal
04-19-2009, 11:12 AM
Joe, where have you tasted Tango? Mine will have fruit this year and I'm hoping for good things from it. My Gold Nugget probably won't fruit until next year, though. Toots at UCR has said that is her favorite. A nurserywoman up in the foothills where there are several mandarin growers told me the other day that her husband's favorite is Tahoe Gold. I liked the Yosemite Gold fruit you gave me the other day and shared it with my wife and she commented that it tasted less like a Mandarin and more like our navels and I think she has a point.

When we had a "special" small crowd tour at Gene Lester's, one of the person bought a Tango, it is marked on the peel. And yes, I agree that the Yosemite Gold tends towards the navel in flavor, but the way they peel off are more like satsuma mandarins. And the size, they're really bigger than the satsumas. The week before you came, I can't resist but eat the last of my Gold Nugget. If you told me that you're coming before then, I would have saved it.

JoeReal
04-19-2009, 11:13 AM
???

Harvey has one of the sweetest Navel Oranges in Rio Vista. So that's how the Yosemite Gold got compared to, and yet, very late in the season.

harveyc
04-19-2009, 11:14 AM
Scot, speak up! What's your question?

Joe, I meant to also say that I wondered how the Yosemite tasted a few months ago compared to now. Although they hold on the tree well, they may have been beyond their peak flavor???

harveyc
04-19-2009, 11:20 AM
Thanks, Joe. If I had thought of it, I would have bought some of my navel oranges to you though they are becoming a bit insipid at this point. I can never keep up with all of this fruit but this year made it into a fun project with my son and from my one large tree my son Michael and I harvested 850 pounds and sold them to a lady with a fruit stand one mile away for $.10/pound. We probably harvested another 150 pounds for family and friends and maybe another 200 pounds fell to the ground in winds, accidents, etc. All with no fertilizer or pesticides, just watered the tree about five times last year. The adjacent tree is smaller since it had died back from the 1990 freeze (before we bought this farm in 1994) and I cut it back to 2 feet high. That tree produces larger fruits that peel easier. We probably picked 200-300 pounds from that tree. Way more than I need! I like these oranges but prefer mandarins for sure.

harveyc
04-19-2009, 11:23 AM
Okay, thanks for the details on your Tango sample. It's hard to tell from sampling one fruit without knowing when it had reached peak flavor, how long ago it was picked, etc. I think we need to taste our own delicious fruit before judging them! :)

harveyc
06-08-2009, 10:06 PM
Just an update on an item related to the Gold Nugget variety also discussed in this thread. In Benny's post he quotes information from UCR that indicates Gold Nugget is not patent (this is included in UCR's patent filing information on Tango). Joe later says Gold Nugget is patented. I've been communicating via e-mail with some of the folks at CCPP and UCR regarding this issue as it was unclear why budwood could not be ordered. After they checked with others, they finally got back to me to inform me that Gold Nugget is indeed not patented but that it is property of UCR and only distributed under a license agreement which forbids propagation without holding a license agreement and paying the required royalties. I've let them know that the Gold Nugget I purchased at a retail location there was no tag on the Gold Nugget trees to indicate this restriction. License agreements can live on indefinitely whereas patents expire after 20 years. I'm sometimes surprised we don't see more of these in use.

I still haven't seen any retail sources for Tango (originally mistakenly typed Gold Nugget until Brett pointed out the confusion) trees in NorCal. FourWinds still does not show it available but a friend who operates a retail nursery and who has been looking forward to offering it was told it would be available next year. My tree purchased a year ago has some small fruits on it but I don't know if it will hold onto them or not.

brettay
06-08-2009, 11:38 PM
I'm confused, I just looked at the Four Winds website and they have 2-3 year old Gold Nugget trees listed as available for sale. I have two Gold Nugget trees that I bought from them last year.

-Brett

harveyc
06-08-2009, 11:46 PM
Sorry, Brett, it was a long day. I corrected my second paragraph.

brettay
06-09-2009, 09:09 PM
Yes I have been eagerly awaiting the Tango mandarin release from a retail source as well. Four winds says they should have trees available this summer. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

-Brett

brettay
06-16-2009, 11:06 PM
For those of you who are obsessive/compulsive like me, you should have noticed a very recent change in the availability of the aforementioned tango mandarin.

-Brett

harveyc
06-16-2009, 11:28 PM
Thanks, Brett. Here's the link for others: Complete List of Four Winds Dwarf Citrus Varieties (http://www.fourwindsgrowers.com/variety_list.html#mandarin)

hammer
06-17-2009, 08:03 AM
I have two satsuma mandarin that are 2 years old are in 30 gallen pots Im about ready to give up on them june 17 still not blooming.

CValentine
06-17-2009, 09:50 AM
http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv49/valentines12/oranges.jpg
My Miho Satsuma has a few oranges...
No flowers eh? :(

Hope it comes to flower & fruit for you Hammer.

:) ~Cheryl

Johnnybegood
11-09-2009, 05:10 PM
I just purchased a Tango Mandarin on Saturday 11-7-09 from Clausen Nursery in Vista Calif near Oceanside. The owner Gordon was very helpfull. It was a very nice looking 15 gallon tree on C35 Citrange rootstock and is about 5 feet tall.

Really looking foward to tasting this seedless W. Murcott in a few years.

Also Gordon told me he is growing some 5 gallon trees also on C35 rootstock. This place is my favorate for buying citrus as they have alot of unique varaties.

Has anybody heard of the new seedless Kinnow Mandarin? Was wonding if it has been released yet and I want to get this one also. I love the richly flavored Kinnow and If they develope a seedless Kinnow it will surely be a real winner.

Johnny

Eric
11-09-2009, 05:28 PM
Wow! Missed one! Dont know anything about citrus trees but Welcome aboard!

jeffreyp
01-26-2010, 09:09 AM
GMO = genetically modified organism. GMO plants can be the result of "gene splicing", or by trial-and-error using irradiation -- as was done in the case of Tango.

I don't think that fits into what most would consider GMO (using radiation or other induced mutations). I don't think you would get the same hysteria in Europe from introducing food crops that are mutations vs one's that have new genes introduced or existing ones removed(gmo)

From wikipedia "A genetically modified organism (GMO) or genetically engineered organism (GEO) is an organism whose genetic material has been altered using genetic engineering techniques. These techniques, generally known as recombinant DNA technology, use DNA molecules from different sources, which are combined into one molecule to create a new set of genes. This DNA is then transferred into an organism, giving it modified or novel genes. Transgenic organisms, a subset of GMOs, are organisms which have inserted DNA that originated in a different species. Some GMOs contain no DNA from other species and are therefore not transgenic but cisgenic."

or another definition found here: "Genetically modified organism (GMO): An organism into which has been inserted—through genetic engineering—one or more genes from an outside source (either from the same species or from an entirely different species) that contains coding for desired characteristics, such as herbicide resistance or an antibacterial compound." Glossary (http://www.ecoagriculture.org/page.php?id=65&name=Glossary)

Richard
01-26-2010, 11:12 AM
A large portion of Wikipedia is written by high school students. If you'd like, I can go update that definition.

jeffreyp
01-26-2010, 02:25 PM
Richard I think you are missing the point, gmo is generally considered plants or animals that have been modified by having genes added or removed. If radiation is what defines gmo then everything is gmo because plants and seeds are exposed to solar radiation everyday. Breeders have a 8000 year history of genetic modification (also called genetic improvement or conventional breeding)- that is, they have modified the genome of crop species in a number of ways. Such conventional breeding methods include hybridization (transfer of pollen from one plant variety to another to generate new seed with genes from both parents), mutagenesis (in which chemicals or irradiation are used to induce random mutations in DNA) and embryo rescue (where plant or animal embryos produced from interspecies gene transfer are placed in a tissue culture environment to complete development). Today, everything we eat has been genetically modified in some way. The popular and pejorative definition of gmo are plants modified with genetic engineering.

If wiki is too tricky for you then take your pick:

define:GMO - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:GMO&ei=a0FfS-bQOs-ztgeH58HzCw&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title&ved=0CAcQkAE)