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momoese
10-21-2008, 10:22 PM
Collin Powell decided to tell the truth. Wow, shocking......not. Now he supports Obama, great.....
Truthdig - Reports - Robert Scheer: Now Powell Tells Us (http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060411_bush_leak_plame_libby_powell/)
xavierdlc61887
10-21-2008, 10:31 PM
crazyyyy shiznit
momoese
10-21-2008, 10:33 PM
He was once someone I respected until the Bush mob got hold of his brain. Obama should kick him to the curb.
Richard
10-21-2008, 11:39 PM
He was once someone I respected until the Bush mob got hold of his brain. Obama should kick him to the curb.
I'm not sure they (Gingrich et al) ever really got a hold of him. Why do you say "Obama should kick him to the curb" ? I've never heard that phrase before.
harveyc
10-22-2008, 01:16 AM
"Kick him to the curb"??? Sounds like something an intolerant idiot would do!
momoese
10-22-2008, 09:10 AM
It's a slang phrase meaning to disown. or get rid of.
momoese
10-22-2008, 09:29 AM
Sorry Richard, I guess i should answer your question. Everyone thinks he's so patriotic but in reality he nothing but a liar who helped Bush to lead us to war. I'll never forgive him for that.
harveyc
10-22-2008, 09:30 AM
I see that it's an urban term, apparently:
Urban Dictionary: kick him to the curb (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kick+him+to+the+curb)
Also, regarding such lies, there's plenty of other directions fingers should also be pointed.
snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp)
momoese
10-22-2008, 09:31 AM
Harvey, you come to expect some people to lie, but this was huge let down for me when he did.
Richard
10-22-2008, 10:48 AM
Sorry Richard, I guess i should answer your question.
Thanks!
Everyone thinks he's so patriotic ...
It would be o.k. with me if you didn't exaggerate quite so much! :D
It might have been a widely held belief, or at least a stereotype presented on TV news programs. Certainly there was widespread respect for the man, and I think there still is.
... but in reality he nothing but a liar who helped Bush to lead us to war. I'll never forgive him for that.
I can empathize with your unwillingness to forgive him. I have seen evidence of serious personal remorse on his part, so I really in a way feel sorry that he made such a grave mistake. I don't feel any rejection towards him.
However, I think you give G.W. Bush too much credit by saying he "lead us to war". I don't believe he has ever had the money or the clout to run his own office! Instead, he had to do the bidding of the GOP central committee, which is basically owned by N. Gingrich.
harveyc
10-22-2008, 10:52 AM
I wonder if anybody can get to these positions of power without lying. Part of it is our own fault, I suppose, as we want to be told things we want to hear. Who would accept a leader saying "I have no idea."? Clinton appointed the CIA Director (name escapes me now) and I guess Bush thought he was good enough to keep in place. I wonder if we should subject them to public interrogation.....
Richard
10-22-2008, 12:07 PM
I wonder if anybody can get to these positions of power without lying. Part of it is our own fault, I suppose, as we want to be told things we want to hear. Who would accept a leader saying "I have no idea."? Clinton appointed the CIA Director (name escapes me now) and I guess Bush thought he was good enough to keep in place. I wonder if we should subject them to public interrogation.....
Good observation.
bigdog
10-22-2008, 01:19 PM
Once again, you must consider the source of the article. Truthdig.com is a collection of far left-wing liberals, and they admit this in the "about us" section of the website (when they say the code word for liberal - "a progressive point of view").
Is this information on an impartial, non-partisan website with at least some shred of credibility, or just on this one?
momoese
10-22-2008, 01:53 PM
I can post plenty of non partisan links showing he lied. It just happened to be the one I was reading when I thought I'd share my sadness over the matter, but the source in this case does not discredit the info.
Also I have no issue using either word. I like them both.
I just want to edit this post to remind you that this article is from a liberal website speaking out against the lies of Colin Powell back when he first admitted to them. For all I know they probably support him now seeing how he endorses Obama. You see I'm not posting this article because it supports the liberal agenda, actually just the opposite. I'm being completely non partisan here in telling you I have issues with Colin Powell. Ok, I think that should clarify things for you.
Richard
10-22-2008, 02:47 PM
Once again, you must consider the source of the article. Truthdig.com is a collection of far left-wing liberals, and they admit this in the "about us" section of the website (when they say the code word for liberal - "a progressive point of view").
I really don't like how the word "progressive" was hijacked in the previous decade by clearly non-progressive individuals.
In the late 1980's powers-that-be in the GOP party began a campaign of divisiveness, over-generalization, and often misleading hype -- which still continues today. In response to this, the organization MoveOn.org took up the same tactics, equally repulsive. Somewhere along the line folks in MoveOn started calling themselves progressive -- which they are not. However, the word has now become associated with them and has lost its original meaning.
damaclese
10-23-2008, 07:31 AM
this is all so not a revaluation at this point in time!!!!!!!!!!!!
there not going to do a Damn thing about it Bush is going to retie on a big fat presidential pension and will go down in history as an ideate but hes leafing all the way to the bank and the worst part is he thinks hes right!
and with the economy so bad its the perfect way to distract every one form doing any thing about it RIGHT!? if iv learned any thing in my life is that bad people do always get theirs in the end it may not be what i or you think is a comupins but its what the Universe thinks should happen maybe under a new administration they will focus for the first time in decades on what the real problems of are Nation are and we can move on to a better place. perhaps a state of grace hmmmm what a thought!
modenacart
10-23-2008, 05:59 PM
The economy is not his fault, its failed Bill Clinton housing policy. Bush tried to get congress to investigate FannieMae and FreddiMac back in 2001. Nobody would listen to him.
momoese
10-23-2008, 07:13 PM
Bush also pushed for loans for low income people. I don't hear many GOP'ers fessing up about that though.
modenacart
10-23-2008, 08:02 PM
Bush also pushed for loans for low income people. I don't hear many GOP'ers fessing up about that though.
Do you have documentation of that?
modenacart
10-23-2008, 08:13 PM
Just the Facts: The Administration's Unheeded Warnings About the Systemic Risk Posed by the GSEs (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/09/20080919-15.html)
momoese
10-23-2008, 11:55 PM
Do you have documentation of that?
Yes, I'll find it for you when I get a second.
damaclese
10-24-2008, 09:05 AM
The economy is not his fault, its failed Bill Clinton housing policy. Bush tried to get congress to investigate FannieMae and FreddiMac back in 2001. Nobody would listen to him.
i never said he was responsible for the housing problem try not to infer please it only starts arguments which was not the point of what i had to say
i was referencing the "troping" on of are Constitution
momoese
10-24-2008, 09:43 AM
Here ya go:
The President believes that homeownership is the cornerstone of America's vibrant communities and benefits individual families by building stability and long-term financial security. In June 2002, President Bush issued America's Homeownership Challenge to the real estate and mortgage finance industries to encourage them to join the effort to close the gap that exists between the homeownership rates of minorities and non-minorities. The President also announced the goal of increasing the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million families before the end of the decade. Under his leadership, the overall U.S. homeownership rate in the second quarter of 2004 was at an all time high of 69.2 percent. Minority homeownership set a new record of 51 percent in the second quarter, up 0.2 percentage point from the first quarter and up 2.1 percentage points from a year ago.
Fact Sheet: America's Ownership Society: Expanding Opportunities (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040809-9.html)
In a 2004 address to home builders, Bush called for the Federal Housing Administration to issue zero down payment mortgages in order to aid 150,000 first-time buyers per year, saying,
"To build an ownership society, we’ll help even more Americans to buy homes. Some families are more than able to pay a mortgage but just don’t have the savings to put money down."
[Homestead] Bush zero-down payment on houses (http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/homestead/2004-October/001418.html)
So Much for Bush's 'Ownership Society' | Newsweek Business | Newsweek.com (http://www.newsweek.com/id/163451)
President Bush's Zero-Down Payment Initiative
In Feb 2004, President Bush passed the "Zero-Down Payment Initiative." By the end of 2005, the Nat'l Association of Realtors reported that More than four out of every 10 recent first-time home buyers financed their purchases with no-down-payment loans. The median down payment first-time buyers was just 2 percent. For all buyers, it was 13 percent.
Every Day Feels Like the Crash of '87: Part I - Seeking Alpha (http://seekingalpha.com/article/67781-every-day-feels-like-the-crash-of-87-part-i)
damaclese
10-24-2008, 09:57 AM
momoese I'm sum what confused i thought you didn't like Bush?
momoese
10-24-2008, 10:26 AM
momoese I'm sum what confused i thought you didn't like Bush?
What makes you think I do? Because he tried to get poor peoples votes by making no down loans available?
damaclese
10-24-2008, 10:41 AM
What makes you think I do? Because he tried to get poor peoples votes by making no down loans available? just asking question making sure I'm getting exactly what you mean i don't want to make assumptions regarding any ones intent thats how thees thing deteriorate in to augments and i will not engage in unproductive discourse not saying that any one should self censer or change there post i want every one to feel coverable to say whats on there mind
PS i think the no mony down thing was part of how we got in to this mess in the first palce
momoese
10-24-2008, 10:51 AM
just asking question making sure I'm getting exactly what you mean i don't want to make assumptions regarding any ones intent thats how thees thing deteriorate in to augments and i will not engage in unproductive discourse not saying that any one should self censer or change there post i want every one to feel coverable to say whats on there mind
PS i think the no mony down thing was part of how we got in to this mess in the first palce
I was asked to show proof that Bush had pushed for easy loans for poor people and that's what I did. He's just as much to fault as anyone for the current financial mess. He's had 8 years and 6 of those with a GOP congress to do something. Believe me, I'm no GWB fan!
momoese
10-24-2008, 11:01 AM
This just out:
Another Bubble Bursts - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122480934587765107.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)
damaclese
10-24-2008, 11:44 AM
This just out:
Another Bubble Bursts - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122480934587765107.html?mod=googlenews_wsj) thats interesting not sure i understand it in detail but i get the gist of what he is saying i do have to say this seams eerily familiar looks like the fed has ones again botched the markets when will they learn if they hadn't acted in such an imprudent way they IE. the markets wouldn't have panicked and maybe things would have been just a bump instead of a full fledged melt down maybe Bernacky should be put to the test on this? but i have to fault Greenspan how come now one seams to know that Greenspan is under investigation for lieing to Congress about the alleged nonexistence of required mints of fed meetings when he had them all along and was hiding them from Congress the FBI seazed them at the first of the year? in his offices i mite add Hmmmmmm do you ever get the feeling that you are watching some bazaar Byzantine plot playing out?
this is just geting deeper by the mint looks like just about every one was up to somthing in the last 10 years and now its such a tangaled mess im not sure any one will get it straitned out i call time Out! lol
harveyc
10-24-2008, 12:12 PM
Without a doubt, the thing I like least about President Bush is his frequent lack of fiscal responsibility. However, FHA loans had very little to do with the financial crisis. Lack of regulatory oversight had much more to do with it and it was mostly Democrats that put pressure to limit such oversight. Making some risky loans can be a sound business practice but making such huge amounts of them was insane. I would never have thought that Wells Fargo would be acquiring Wachovia. Wells Fargo limited its level of high risk loans to a small level while Wachovia made ridiculously high levels of them. Wells Fargo continues to report profits every quarter while many banks have reported huge losses.
Increased home ownership is a worthwhile goal, but lending practices should still remain sound.
harveyc
10-24-2008, 12:39 PM
On a less serious note, a friend sent this to me and I thought it appropriate to share here:
Greenspan wasted away
* by Rob Peebles
* October 03, 2008
Sung to the tune of Margaritaville, with apologies to Jimmy Buffett (With extra verses because so many are needed)
Greenspan wasted away
Staring at cheese cake
Gotta a new speech to make
All of those bankers covered in sweat.
Shuffling my note cards
Responding to blowhards
Tellin’ them, “Really, I have no regrets.”
Wishin’ today for a bail out bill.
No more banks hurtling toward default.
Some people claim homeowners must be to blame
All I know…
This thing ain’t my fault.
The hedge funds got leveraged
While I sipped my beverage.
They bought tons of stuff no one understands.
But it was their duty
To rake in the booty
They bought Hamptons mansions, torpedoes be darned
Wishin’ today for a bail out bill.
No more banks hurtling toward default.
Some people claim Congress must be to blame
But I know
It’s still not my fault.
Those swaps were all hidden
From my field of vision..
My buddy Phil Gramm said it was all cool.
Regulation was evil
So his bill made them legal.
Now buyers and sellers are feeling like fools.
Wishin’ today for a bail out bill.
No more banks hurtling toward default.
Some people claim realtors must be to blame,
But I know,
No way it’s my fault.
Mortgage brokers went crazy.
Appraisers got lazy.
Homes “created wealth” and things were just fine
But it really was funny.
They’d loan you the money.
If you picked up a pen and were able to sign.
Wishin’ today for a bail out bill.
No more banks hurtling toward default.
Some people claim Fannie must be to blame
But I know,
This can’t be my fault
Now Fannie and Freddie
Lobbied hard, lobbied steady..
Executives knew how to play all their cards.
Then company earnings
Crashed and went burning.
They took none of the risk and kept the rewards.
Wishin’ today for a bail out bill.
No more banks hurtling toward default.
Some people claim to blame
Now I know,
No way it’s my fault.
Before telecom busted
Back when “in dotcom we trusted”
It took me by surprise when that bubble burst.
But I took some action
I cut rates to a fraction
Who knew the next bubble that burst would be worse?
Wishin’ today for a bail out bill.
No more banks hurtling toward default.
Some people claim it was me that’s to blame
Now I know,
It’s Bernanke’s fault.
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