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bepah
10-12-2008, 12:55 AM
Is anyone growing Enano gigante? Anyone have any culture requirements, needs, etc.?

Thanks.

xavierdlc61887
10-12-2008, 07:34 AM
L O L dude enano gigante means SMALL GIANT............IRONIC :P

bepah
10-12-2008, 08:59 AM
Ironic but true.....
The following is from Encanto Farms:

ENANO GIGANTE
Dwarf Mexican

DESCRIPTION:
An excellent Cavindish cultivar and heavy producer of sweet delicious fruit. Commercially grown in Mexico and Central America. It adapts very well to our conditions. (061) (047) Shorter than Valery. (007)A commercial clone of Mexico. High-quality fruit of large size under ideal conditions. Tender, often needing support when bearing, subject to cigar end rot in cold wet weathetr. (009) [Has} large dark green leaves with red markings on juvenile foliage. (999) Mature leaves are solid green. Will produce richer tasting and creamier fruit than the market variety. Dwarf height limits wind damage. (068) [A] dwarfed Cavendish cultivar. It is a good commercial variety that bears sweet fruit. (056)Dwarf height limits wind damage. (097) Dwarf cavendish cultivar with large bunches of delicious fruit (063)Heavy producer of sweet, delicious fruit. (096) [T]he most widely grown cultivar in [Mexico.] (076) [Gran Nain is S]horter than Enano Gigante. (007) Trials of 5 clones of 'Giant Cavendish' and 9 other cultivars ('Robusta A', 'Robusta B', 'Cocos A', 'Cocos B', 'Golden Beauty', 'Enano Nautia', 'Enano Gigante', 'Enano' and 'Valery') were made between 1976 and 1979 at the Campo Agricola Experimental at Tecoman, Mexico. 'Enano Gigante' is the most widely grown cultivar in that region but the tests showed that 'Enano Nautia' and 'Golden Beauty' bore heavier bunches of better quality fruit, even though 'Enano Gigante' had a greater number of bunches and highest yield per ground area. 'Giant Cavendish' clones 1, 2, 3 and 4, and 'Cocos B' grew very tall, gave low yields and the fruit was of poor quality. (076)

TYPE: DESSERT
GENETICS:
HEIGHT: 4-6' (056) (009), 10-12' (061)
DISEASE: Cigar end rot.
HIGHLIGHTS: popular Mexican variety.

L O L dude enano gigante means SMALL GIANT............IRONIC :P

D_&_T
10-12-2008, 09:13 AM
cool

xavierdlc61887
10-12-2008, 11:20 AM
lol thats crazy but awesome at the same time :D anyway i think someone should start cultivating it and offer it here on the org :D i live about 5 minutes from the mexico border i think its tamaulipas or somthing or other.....its crazy smelly and poor houses its nothing like u see more into mexico these are the outskirts....dont wanna sound mean but in GENERAL.....ITS THE GHETTO of mexico :/ oh well back to that plant, i hope someone cultivates it and offers some plants here on the org :D

pitangadiego
10-12-2008, 03:14 PM
Has been a very slow grower. The only time it got close to flowering, it got run over by a Saba, so I am back to starting over with a pup.

bepah
10-12-2008, 08:11 PM
Do you think it was a slow grower because it doesn't get warm enough in SD?

Has been a very slow grower. The only time it got close to flowering, it got run over by a Saba, so I am back to starting over with a pup.

pitangadiego
10-13-2008, 12:05 AM
It is a slow grower compared to the other 100 or so varieties which are growing at the same location.

bepah
10-13-2008, 08:14 PM
I jusr acquired a can of what I was told was Enano Gigante. The mother plant was cut out and a number of pups remain in the can.

Question:

1) Cut them out now and transplant to smaller cans?

2) Cut them out now and plant?

3) Leave them alone and divide/plant in the spring?

See the photos:

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=13869&size=1

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=13870&size=1

Any suggestions?

pitangadiego
10-13-2008, 11:47 PM
Yes, repot them. Give them all the warth you can to help them root and get established before winter arrives.

bepah
10-14-2008, 02:44 PM
Divide and repot, I assume.....

I only have about a month of growing here left.

harveyc
10-14-2008, 11:28 PM
John, I have room for one in my greenhouse! ;)

xavierdlc61887
10-14-2008, 11:50 PM
same here :D

bepah
10-15-2008, 05:30 PM
I could give them all away, but them I'd have none for myself.

There is a waiting list of my CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS (CPFs).

If you would like to be a CPF of bepah, make an offer!:woohoonaner:

Take care, all.

xavierdlc61887
10-15-2008, 06:24 PM
how does one become a CPF of Bepah

harveyc
10-15-2008, 07:00 PM
Come over and let's trade (no Ae Ae available, however!) :D

bepah
10-15-2008, 10:03 PM
how does one become a CPF of Bepah

The application process is lengthy and dangerous.

It starts with an assessment of what you have to trade....

I'll move to the trading thread to continue...........

bepah
10-16-2008, 07:40 PM
Surgery appears to be successful! 9 bouncing baby pups were extracted from the can.

This photo was taken right after a divison and transplantation of a 5 gallon can filled to the edges with pupd from a mother corm that had been cut off (assuming it had fruited). Roots were healthy around the edge of the can and division seemed to go without much trouble. The original can, after watering the day before, was wet around the edges and bone dry in the middle.

Here are the results:

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=13910&size=1
Same shot from a slightly different angle
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=13907&size=1

I am hoping for a month of warmth before I begin the trading process, unless you want to take a chance.

JC

harveyc
10-17-2008, 12:53 AM
:woohoonaner:

Wish my greenhouse was larger as I would offer to overwinter all of them for you, if you wanted. I might have some roon, but I'm still trying to figure what is going in and what is coming out, at this point. I'm already running my heater at night time since it's getting pretty cool but today sure seemed like summer, eh?

bepah
10-17-2008, 11:22 AM
Overwintering in a greenhouse is not a problem, I have a place to put them once it cools down enough to worry about it.

Since you have been designated a CPF of bepah, you will be getting one of them once they stabilize. No changes when I looked at them this morning, so no drastic errors appear to have been made. I'll keep them where they are for the next week or so, depending on the daytime highs.....

Thanks,

harveyc
10-17-2008, 03:42 PM
:woohoonaner:

Boy, I need to stop by that nursery some time. Unfortunately, I usually am driving by the area after hours.

You got one great deal there!

By the way, if you happen to be interested in pomegranates, I'll be driving to the Wolfskill Experimental Farm on 11/8 and you can come along, if you'd like. Richard will also be there all the way from San Diego! :D

bepah
10-17-2008, 06:22 PM
Harvey,

Thanks for the invite. However, that is the same day as the American Bamboo Society Annual Convention. Big time stuff with lectures, demos, rare plants auctions for members, etc.

I am committed to go to it, so the pomegranates will have to do without me.

I will be taking some photos for those who also like bamboos as well.

Thanks again!

Chironex
10-17-2008, 07:30 PM
Can't wait to see them. And, Yes - I also started collecting bamboo - as if bananas weren't enough.

GreenFin
03-23-2012, 04:21 PM
Anybody get fruit from their Enano Gigantes? What was the fruiting height? How big was the bunch? Did the fruits taste like typical Cavendish bananas?

harveyc
03-23-2012, 09:53 PM
John's (bepah's) plants all died. I had hoped to get one from him but I guess they weren't that hardy.

GreenFin
03-23-2012, 10:50 PM
:(

Between those plants all dying and Pitangadiego's account, it sounds like the EG is a pretty weak plant.

venturabananas
03-24-2012, 01:07 AM
I'm not absolutely certain, but I think this is exactly the same cultivar as Grand Naine -- the name means the same thing, but one version is Spanish (Enano Gigante) and the other is French.

GreenFin
03-24-2012, 01:02 PM
I'm not absolutely certain, but I think this is exactly the same cultivar as Grand Naine -- the name means the same thing, but one version is Spanish (Enano Gigante) and the other is French.

Whoa, you're right. Hadn't even thought about that. Just "giant dwarf" in two different languages.

If so, I'd expect that Pitangadiego's GN plants also grow slow for him.

venturabananas
03-25-2012, 12:12 AM
Whoa, you're right. Hadn't even thought about that. Just "giant dwarf" in two different languages.

If so, I'd expect that Pitangadiego's GN plants also grow slow for him.

I don't know how they do for him, but I know the Cavendish types I have (Dwarf Cav, Williams, "Dwarf Ladyfinger") sure hate winter weather compared to many of the others types. The ones in pots regress during winter, whereas many other cultivars make progress.

Richard
03-25-2012, 12:30 PM
I would expect smaller fruits in the subtropics as well. My African Rhino Horn in its first crop produced small fruits, compared to the medium size fruits that the mother plant (parent corm) produced in the near-tropics of Florida, and the 20-inch fruits produced in the tropics. We'll see what the second generation crop is like here in San Diego.

PR-Giants
03-25-2012, 03:04 PM
That is very interesting, Richard. It can't be about amount of sunlight because my large fruits come from plants that are heavily shaded, receiving only 4-5 hours of direct sunlight. The amount of moisture in the soil doesn't seem to have an effect either, I grow some plants in soil that is very damp year round and others in soil with great drainage. Would be an interesting post if you ever find the cause.

Nicolas Naranja
03-25-2012, 05:29 PM
My Gran Nains are extremely susceptible to cold injury. It's also tricky to produce large fruit. I've found that if I take a plant that is producing a 10 hand bunch and prune it back to 6 hands, I'll get 7-8" long fruit with a 35mm caliper. I think fruit size has a lot to do with sunlight and heat, I would also argue fertility playing an enormous role. My biggest fruit seems to come from bunches on the outside of a planting

sal
12-21-2013, 01:02 PM
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=54065&ppuser=16687><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54065&size=1 border=0></a>

Here is a enano gigante. This pic was back in the summer and the teacher growing said it was a enano gigante. It was about 3 to 4 feet tall. I didn't get to taste it but he said it was sweet. It has about 3 to 4 pups and I was welcome get 1 but until the spring. So pretty soon I will get one. :woohoonaner:

PR-Giants
12-21-2013, 08:30 PM
Nice Plant, but no Enano (AAA)

If you look at the peduncle & pedicels, it's either an AAB or ABB.

Nomenclature of cultivated bananas | Promusa - Mobilizing banana science for sustainable livelihoods (http://www.promusa.org/tiki-index.php?page=Nomenclature+of+cultivated+bananas)




<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=54065&ppuser=16687><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54065&size=1 border=0></a>

Here is a enano gigante. This pic was back in the summer and the teacher growing said it was a enano gigante. It was about 3 to 4 feet tall. I didn't get to taste it but he said it was sweet. It has about 3 to 4 pups and I was welcome get 1 but until the spring. So pretty soon I will get one. :woohoonaner:

venturabananas
12-21-2013, 09:05 PM
Nice Plant, but no Enano (AAA)
If you look at the peduncle & pedicels, it's either an AAB or ABB.

Good call Keith. Given what the plant looks like and what's most available where you are, I'd guess Dwarf Orinoco.

PR-Giants
12-21-2013, 09:49 PM
Given what the plant looks like and what's most available where you are, I'd guess Dwarf Orinoco.

It does look a lot like a Dwarf Orinoco, except for all the margins of the petiole canals being erect.

That was my reasoning for leaving an AAB as a possibility, all the DO's I've seen have been tighter or closed.

sal
12-21-2013, 09:50 PM
The dwarf Orinoco was my guess too but it is shorter than mine. the teacher said it was enano gigante. The bananas looked thick skinned.

venturabananas
12-21-2013, 10:03 PM
It does look a lot like a Dwarf Orinoco, except for all the margins of the petiole canals being erect.

That was my reasoning for leaving an AAB as a possibility, all the DO's I've seen have been tighter or closed.

I agree with your reasoning, but I just can't think of an AAB that short that wouldn't have red edges of the petioles, or that would be available to someone in Texas. The number of fingers per hand seems about right for Dwarf Orinoco, though they are little narrow for DO. Maybe it is something exotic and exciting. Or just a funny looking DO.

sal
12-21-2013, 10:18 PM
Interesting

sal
12-21-2013, 10:20 PM
I agree with your reasoning, but I just can't think of an AAB that short that wouldn't have red edges of the petioles, or that would be available to someone in Texas.


Isn't The enano gigante is from Mexico?

We are in Christmas break at the moment. We return to work till January 7 and I will take some pics of the pups to identify this plant.

venturabananas
12-21-2013, 10:36 PM
Isn't The enano gigante from Mexico?

That's probably right. The name means "giant dwarf" because it is a tall form of Dwarf Cavendish. You wouldn't expect it to fruit at 4-5' typically.

PR-Giants
12-21-2013, 10:38 PM
Isn't The enano gigante is from Mexico?



Yes, and they made many different enano gigante.