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tophersmith
07-30-2008, 07:48 AM
I don't know about you guys but I will be the first in line to purchase this when it goes public.
Spray Improves Plants’ Cold Tolerance By 2 To Over 9 Degrees Fahrenheit (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080708192842.htm)

damaclese
07-30-2008, 08:41 AM
I don't know about you guys but I will be the first in line to purchase this when it goes public.
Spray Improves Plants’ Cold Tolerance By 2 To Over 9 Degrees Fahrenheit (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080708192842.htm)
thanks Chris!

harveyc
07-30-2008, 09:43 AM
:woohoonaner:

buzzwinder
07-30-2008, 11:17 AM
Thanks for the link Chris, being in zone 5a this would open all kinds of possibilities with different plants! :woohoonaner: :bananas_b

tophersmith
07-30-2008, 12:07 PM
I spoke with Dean Franco this morning it looks like this stuff should start taking off soon. 1 gallon of concentrate would go for about $20, this would make 5 gallons of solution.

natedogg1026
07-30-2008, 01:59 PM
Wow, that's awesome! I'd give it a try for $20. Keep us posted.

mskitty38583
07-30-2008, 03:40 PM
it didnt say anything about possible side effects. but if there are none i would be interested in this.

nucci60
07-30-2008, 06:42 PM
it didnt say anything about possible side effects. but if there are none i would be interested in this.

If Frankco is involved in this product, I would trust it.:waving:

stumpy4700
07-30-2008, 11:08 PM
it didnt say anything about possible side effects. but if there are none i would be interested in this.

If I read it right it stated that the mixture is 5 products already used in food products now. Soooo therefor would it not be safe? put me in for one.

daryl
08-01-2008, 01:16 PM
This could be a big big money maker in commerical applications. Anyone know what the shelf life(unused) will be on this stuff? Any other links about this would be appreciated.

harveyc
08-03-2008, 09:26 AM
Here is a link to the university's web site with a bit more information and some photos:

University of Alabama News (http://uanews.ua.edu/anews2008/jul08/spray070808.htm)

Chironex
08-03-2008, 10:55 AM
I will be second in line. Does he also make Wilt-Pruf for arid climates? I need some of that, and Sunscreen for mine.

tophersmith
08-18-2008, 12:28 PM
This pic says it all Mumbai News - Mumbai Mirror Online - FREEZE-PROOF, TECH, Mumbai News, Mumbai newspaper,Current Affairs,Latest news,Mumbai Directory,City Portal,Mumbai,city,Bombay,destination,Web,Internet,website,Capit al of Maharashtra,Metropolis,Megapolis,Commercial (http://www.mumbaimirror.com/net/mmpaper.aspx?page=article&sectid=7&contentid=200807172008071702033094ba0ea6aa&pageno=1)

OkieBananaNut
08-24-2008, 03:46 PM
Awesome! With Oklahomas unpredictable winters temps - this product could be a boon to both home and commercial growers. Price sounds extremely reasonable as well. Sign me up!

Maybe he could come up with a spray that we could blanket politicians with. Call it "Bone-head Pruf" or something....:ha:

tophersmith
10-28-2008, 01:54 PM
I just got off a conference call the VC who is helping Dean Franco bring Freeze Pruf to market. Currently we are about a month out from the product being available for sale. The initital form it will be sold in a gallon (not concentrate). Price has still not been confirmed but I was assured it would be reasonable. Please indicate via PM if you are interested in purchasing some as I am forming a list and will be proactively selling it as soon as it's in production.

Chironex
10-28-2008, 05:54 PM
Was just wondering if it would also do anything for heat tolerance during summer months? Has he done any research on that aspect?

tophersmith
10-28-2008, 07:27 PM
Was just wondering if it would also do anything for heat tolerance during summer months? Has he done any research on that aspect?

Not to my knowledge as the main purpose of this was for agriculture

harveyc
11-26-2008, 03:38 PM
Chris, I'm just wondering if you've heard anything more lately.

I saw someone posted this story with video in another discussion group I belong to:
Anti-Freeze for Your Plants - Botanists Develop "Antifreeze" Spray for Plants (http://physicsnow.net/dbis/stories/2008/18130.html)

Thanks,

Harvey

tophersmith
11-30-2008, 10:10 PM
Chris, I'm just wondering if you've heard anything more lately.

I saw someone posted this story with video in another discussion group I belong to:
Anti-Freeze for Your Plants - Botanists Develop "Antifreeze" Spray for Plants (http://physicsnow.net/dbis/stories/2008/18130.html)

Thanks,

Harvey

Harvey,

Yes that is the same Dr. Franco I am currently in contact with the VC who has been sick with the flu as of late. Kepp your fingers crossed as it shouldn't be long.

Chironex
12-01-2008, 12:38 PM
Harvey,

Yes that is the same Dr. Franco I am currently in contact with the VC who has been sick with the flu as of late. Kepp your fingers crossed as it shouldn't be long.

But we need it right now! :ha: Our weather is just reaching the point where this stuff would be enormously beneficial. Then I wouldn't have to haul these big 'uns into the garage.

harveyc
12-01-2008, 12:56 PM
Our lows are only getting down to about 41F so far, but frost can happen at any time now.

Steve L
12-01-2008, 01:29 PM
We're going down to 34 tonight. Please hurry.

Steve

JCDerrick
12-01-2008, 02:23 PM
Might be too late for us this year; we've hit 19F already. But I still would love to give this a try on my EE and bananas next year.

Also, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember a thread somewhere saying this only worked on non-woody stems? So basically thinks like BOP and Travelers Palm wouldn't benefit from this? Even still, it's exiting knowing bananas and such would benefit from that extra protection.

tophersmith
12-01-2008, 11:09 PM
Might be too late for us this year; we've hit 19F already. But I still would love to give this a try on my EE and bananas next year.

Also, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember a thread somewhere saying this only worked on non-woody stems? So basically thinks like BOP and Travelers Palm wouldn't benefit from this? Even still, it's exiting knowing bananas and such would benefit from that extra protection.

It woks best on soft tissue plants, but will still protect woody stem plants 2 to 3 degrees.

buffy
12-02-2008, 09:45 PM
we've hit 19F already.

How exactly are you Zone 8B if you've already hit 19F. Is that unusual this early. :)

My lowest low last year was 24F, and the year before that 20F. I just broke 30F for the first time last night at 29.7F. I'm historically Zone 8A.

JCDerrick
12-02-2008, 10:10 PM
How exactly are you Zone 8B if you've already hit 19F. Is that unusual this early. :)

My lowest low last year was 24F, and the year before that 20F. I just broke 30F for the first time last night at 29.7F. I'm historically Zone 8A.

Extremely unusual for us this time of year. We broke a few records about two weeks ago. And it's continued to be below normal, though not as bad as that one spell. NOAA says we'll be below normal for about the next month, but then should see a warmer than normal winter. I sure hope so, this early cold weather has felt like January come early.

Usually our absolute worst cold is right around Christmas, typically in the 16F range. But our average is much higher, around 34 for lows in late Dec and early Jan.

http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/predictions/610day/610temp.new.small.gif

JCDerrick
12-02-2008, 10:15 PM
It woks best on soft tissue plants, but will still protect woody stem plants 2 to 3 degrees.

Thanks, that'll at least protect a lot of the bananas, EE's, and the hardy gingers. Honestly I could probably never bring myself to risk the BOPs or other woody stem plants. They stay nice and warm in the garage :nanadrink:

gassan
12-10-2008, 07:46 PM
I am very intrested as I have a big will have a big order to do. plz email me at
gassan2000@hotmail.co.uk

gassan
12-10-2008, 07:48 PM
I am very intrested as I have a big order to do. plz email me at
gassan2000@hotmail.co.uk

harveyc
12-10-2008, 11:45 PM
Hey, Chris, we had our first frost of the year this morning. I could have used this yesterday! ;)

bepah
12-10-2008, 11:51 PM
Too late.

My Ice Creams all all top killed today.

We will have another really cold spell this weekend, according to the prognosticators......maybe a Pacific push will make it a little less sever...

Bring back the smudge pots.

Algore has cooled the earth....

harveyc
12-10-2008, 11:56 PM
My nanners didn't get too cold yet, John, so they are still okay.

But we did all get tricked into thinking it was going to be warmer than this. There are some skeptics that have been trying to tell us, though.... .: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :. (http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6)

Harvey

Steve L
12-11-2008, 10:59 AM
Hey, we had an inch of snow this morning. An unreal event for the Louisiana Gulf Coast. I'm sure everything is fried. Left too early for work to take a look. I'll check it out this eveining

Steve

Bananaman88
12-11-2008, 11:45 AM
It snowed in Houston too! Luckily, I had prepared a couple of days in advance by wrapping the trunks of my Ae-Ae, Ice Cream, Hua Moa, Cal. Gold, and a couple others to try to protect them. When I went to bed last night around 10 p.m it was 32.2 degrees and there was about 1/2" of snow on the ground. It warmed up a couple of degrees overnight and had all melted by the time I got up a little before 5 a.m. We are now back in the 40's and headed to the low 50's for today. The leaves may be toasted on my bananas but my goal was to keep the pseudostem from freezing. Hopefully it worked. I also wrapped a bunch of Orinoco fruit that is in development right now. I'll try to post some pics I took last night when I have time.

harveyc
12-11-2008, 11:56 AM
Brent, I read about that yesterday. Since 1895, it's only snowed that early in Houston once and that was in 1944. Snow surprises Houston-area residents | Chronicle | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6156862.html)

We were forecast to have some freezing fog but I don't really know what that is. We did have frost again this morning and it is foggy. The only thing I've bothered to protect (besides my greenhouse plants which include my Ae Ae) is my mango which I threw a sheet over.

Steve L
12-11-2008, 11:59 AM
Same here Harvey. Brent and I are only a few hours apart on the I-10. A complete shock for everyone in Dixie. Had it not been for global warming, I'm sure we would have gotten a foot of snow.

Bob
12-11-2008, 12:32 PM
I'm up in New Jersey it was about 60 degrees yesterday! .........Wintery mix for tomorrow though.
Topher, hows that freeze pruf coming along?

tophersmith
12-11-2008, 12:33 PM
Gentlemen I have been trying to reach my contact for the better part of a week, to get an update, as soon as I have some news I will post it. Sorry to leave you guts out in the cold :(

Bananaman88
12-11-2008, 12:35 PM
Yeah, snow is a pretty uncommon event here in the Houston area. However, it has snowed twice in the 5 years I have been here! It also snowed on Christmas Eve, 2004. I never had the time to protect my citrus before this round. I hope they are OK. I don't really think it was cold enough for long enough to do any major damage.

Steve L
12-11-2008, 12:54 PM
I was home for lunch and I don't see any damage whatsoever yet, but sometimes it takes a day or two to show up.

Chironex
12-11-2008, 01:12 PM
Gentlemen I have been trying to reach my contact for the better part of a week, to get an update, as soon as I have some news I will post it. Sorry to leave you guts out in the cold :(

My guts are freezing! :ha:

gassan
12-15-2008, 06:47 PM
hi tophersmith, I am very intresting in freeze pruf and would be very pleased if you provide me with some information about the prices, you can email me at gassan2000@hotmail.co.uk

cheers

tophersmith
12-16-2008, 08:30 AM
hi tophersmith, I am very intresting in freeze pruf and would be very pleased if you provide me with some information about the prices, you can email me at gassan2000@hotmail.co.uk

cheers

I just emailed you

austinl01
12-16-2008, 11:25 AM
I'm interested too, please. My email is: austinl01@sbcglobal.net.

tophersmith
12-16-2008, 01:26 PM
I'm interested too, please. My email is: austinl01@sbcglobal.net.

Austin,

Freeze Pruf is presently in a holding pattern as the lawyers attempt to hash out liability issues. Once this is done it will move to production.

Chironex
12-16-2008, 02:21 PM
That could be months! Let's hope that these matters can be resolved quickly. Thanks for the update.

austinl01
12-17-2008, 08:39 PM
Austin,

Freeze Pruf is presently in a holding pattern as the lawyers attempt to hash out liability issues. Once this is done it will move to production.

Thanks for the update!

enigma99a
12-17-2008, 09:21 PM
Well, we'll try it next year. I think it's too late for those in the northern hemisphere

newflemmli
01-03-2009, 07:41 PM
If you know where to get it than contact me,
Felix.M.Weinhart>at>gmx.at

Musamania
01-04-2009, 10:58 PM
Wow..! Snow in Houston..! 'Course your extra humidity lends itself to gloppy snow? May be marginal between rain,...and snowfall..?? Our winter, so far (bad thing to type) has been milder than the last four years. All my friends in WA, OR, ID, Vancouver, B.C., are experiencing really LOUSY snow-chucked winters. Yup. Must be Al Gore's problemmos..

harveyc
01-05-2009, 12:47 AM
Someone in south Florida recently tried "moisturin" prior to a cold blast and said it helped some of his exotics quite a bit and suggested that I try it on my bananas here in zone 9.

Has anybody here tried it? I haven't searched for it yet.

Chironex
01-05-2009, 12:51 AM
It is an anittranspirant, but claims to use a resin that has no affect on phytotoxicity. Here is a link to it, but it does say that it is for woody plants.
Moisturin Antitranspirant - Moisturin Antidesiccant (http://www.gsihorticultural.com/moisturin/index.php)

enigma99a
01-05-2009, 01:07 AM
I'm still gonna wait for Freeze Pruf ;) Looks like freezing/frost danger is pretty much over for the year anyway.

harveyc
01-05-2009, 01:10 AM
Though I'm providing protection for my mango, lychee, and longan, maybe I should try the Moisturin for those plants. Too late to try on any of the bananas, though.

CiXeL
01-30-2009, 09:09 PM
Heh, Harvey i was doing a google search for freeze-pruf to see if it had come out yet and came across this thread on bananas.org.
The moisturin works great on lychee. got new sprouts on everything. the real test will be in the next 3 months when we are at our driest and from the looks of the canals around lake okeechobee it looks like its going to be a very dry, dry season.
id definitely try it on bananas. just bought another bottle. i think they say its made out of a pine sap or something. i got some backspray in my eye and rinsed it out and it was just a minor irritant. pretty nontoxic. doesnt contain a trillion warnings like my fungicides.

harveyc
01-30-2009, 09:24 PM
Hey, Chris, thanks for the reminder. I should buy some, though my lychee seems to be doing great where it's at. We've only got down to 28F this year but have had lots of nights with frost. But I have a shade cloth over it still so that keeps the frost off. On top of that, it's only about six feet away from my home's heating unit which runs fairly often on the coldest of nights. It's got some young tender growth and only some of those leaves show any damage at all. I think my lychee thinks it's in tropical China! :P

Nicolas Naranja
01-31-2009, 11:22 PM
Man Florida could be covered in bananas if we had reliable way to protect from freezes. That man will be a millionaire, it would totally change how things are currently done.

CiXeL
01-31-2009, 11:43 PM
youre in pahokee? we were on the opposite side of the lake at fisheating creek just a few weeks ago. can you take advantage of overheat irrigation from well water in the mid 70s to keep tropicals warm during cold fronts like we do down in south florida? i hear you guys can even lose royal palms up there during bad freezes like in 89 and 77.

Nicolas Naranja
02-01-2009, 09:39 AM
youre in pahokee? we were on the opposite side of the lake at fisheating creek just a few weeks ago. can you take advantage of overheat irrigation from well water in the mid 70s to keep tropicals warm during cold fronts like we do down in south florida? i hear you guys can even lose royal palms up there during bad freezes like in 89 and 77.


We can, but nobody is set up for it. Just about everything is irrigated subsurface, I have seen fields flooded for freeze protection but that's rare. We tend to keep out tropicals right next to the lake where frosts and freezes are incredibly rare.

CiXeL
03-03-2009, 09:36 PM
This product is never going to come out if its being eaten alive by lawyers.
If its some harmless food-grade chemical like they claim it is, let us know what it is, ill make it myself.

CiXeL
03-03-2009, 09:37 PM
I was also thinking. The australians are huge on systemics and injecting nutrients, pesticides etc into trees. I wonder if there isnt some sort of non-toxic antifreeze chemical you could inject into the trees if you knew a cold front was on the way.

harveyc
03-03-2009, 11:47 PM
Does anybody know what legal issues are involved? Are they safety concerns or royalties, etc.?

Michael_Andrew
03-04-2009, 07:46 AM
Looks like Freeze Pruf has 5 main ingredients. I'm guessing one is:

glycerol

LilRaverBoi
03-04-2009, 11:06 PM
This seems like a great idea, but I'm a little skeptical. Also, it doesn't seem like it would be very beneficial for most people unless it were a bit more effective. I mean, if you're on the edge of a zone, 2-9 degrees might open a lot of options up for you, but for most individuals, this just isn't enough. Thanks for sharing, though! Maybe in a few years this will be perfected more.

JoeReal
04-16-2009, 07:31 PM
I think I may have deduced why Freeze Pruf are still undergoing several legal hurdles delaying the release of the product. I am speculating that one of the active ingredients of Freeze Pruf may have been Medfluidide which is a herbicide and toxic to humans and animals.

Medfluidide will impart cold hardiness to herbaceous plants at certain concentration, within the amazing same range of 2 to 9 deg F additional protection. You can google for Medfluidide in the Google Scholar search engine.

The way Medfluidide works at certain concentration (meaning, not as strong as that for herbicide purposes), is to enhance Abscisic Acid accumulation in the plant tissues and helps a lot in the freeze resistance of cells and also they will be able to recover quickly.

The more expensive alternative to the Medfluidide component is Abscisic Acid itself, and you can use it in almost the same way. And if the Abscisic acid is extracted in the most natural organic way, then the Freeze Pruf could pass the OMRI certification, but it will shoot up the price. Using Medfluidide is the cheapest and most profitable alternative for freeze protection, but still limited to 2 to 9 deg F depending on crop species.

Michael_Andrew
04-16-2009, 07:35 PM
I'm sure you mean Mefluidide? Added an extra "d" there Joe!

Nicolas Naranja
04-16-2009, 07:40 PM
I think I may have deduced why Freeze Pruf are still undergoing several legal hurdles delaying the release of the product. I am speculating that one of the active ingredients of Freeze Pruf may have been Medfluidide which is a herbicide and toxic to humans and animals.

Medfluidide will impart cold hardiness to herbaceous plants at certain concentration, within the amazing same range of 2 to 9 deg F additional protection. You can google for Medfluidide in the Google Scholar search engine.

The way Medfluidide works at certain concentration (meaning, not as strong as that for herbicide purposes), is to enhance Abscisic Acid accumulation in the plant tissues and helps a lot in the freeze resistance of cells and also they will be able to recover quickly.

The more expensive alternative to the Medfluidide component is Abscisic Acid itself, and you can use it in almost the same way. And if the Abscisic acid is extracted in the most natural organic way, then the Freeze Pruf could pass the OMRI certification, but it will shoot up the price. Using Medfluidide is the cheapest and most profitable alternative for freeze protection, but still limited to 2 to 9 deg F depending on crop species.

2-9 degrees is all I need.

Michael_Andrew
04-16-2009, 08:00 PM
Ok there is 5 ingrediants according to this site:


Anti-Freeze for Your Plants - Botanists Develop "Antifreeze" Spray for Plants (http://www.aip.org/dbis/stories/2008/18130.html)

It gives us a few hints what some are.

1. Anti-freeze subtance found in animals;
2. Dehydrates the plant;
3. Strengthen cell walls;
4. Solution to help pentrate leaves; and
5. Resist washing away.

I'm guessing number 1 is glyserol and number 4 is any number of wetting agents/surfactants like Polysorbate 20. The others I have no clue. Would Mefluidide fit on of them? I claim no professional experience or affiliations and base conclusions on my ability to google!

Michael

JoeReal
04-16-2009, 09:37 PM
I'm sure you mean Mefluidide? Added an extra "d" there Joe!

That's correct! Thanks! Too fond of typing! Was reading about Med fly while typing about Mefluidide.

JoeReal
04-16-2009, 09:43 PM
Ok there is 5 ingrediants according to this site:


Anti-Freeze for Your Plants - Botanists Develop "Antifreeze" Spray for Plants (http://www.aip.org/dbis/stories/2008/18130.html)

It gives us a few hints what some are.

1. Anti-freeze subtance found in animals;
2. Dehydrates the plant;
3. Strengthen cell walls;
4. Solution to help pentrate leaves; and
5. Resist washing away.

I'm guessing number 1 is glyserol and number 4 is any number of wetting agents/surfactants like Polysorbate 20. The others I have no clue. Would Mefluidide fit on of them? I claim no professional experience or affiliations and base conclusions on my ability to google!

Michael

Most likely glycerine (which in many literature interchangeable with glycerol) and to make it viscous to help penetrate the leaves, it is mixed with glycol of medium density. Sometimes, they only state that those are the main ingredients, to divert your attention away from the true effective ingredient such as Mefluidide which you wouldn't need in large amount or it becomes like its original purpose, a herbicide. It may contain Calcium nitrate which in itself increases solute content and lowering the freezing point, while calcium strengthens the cell walls. Anything will resist washing away if they are absorbed within a couple of hours, especially with glycol and glycerine mixture.

And to be considered organic, the Mefluidide should not exceed a certain percentage, often allowed 10% of your ingredients not really be organic, and that is more than enough.

harveyc
05-29-2009, 12:33 PM
See http://www.bananas.org/f312/anti-stress-550-2000-a-8164.html for a possible alternative that's readily available.

Harvey

Steve L
05-29-2009, 12:48 PM
Thanks a lot Harvey. I'm definitely going to try this. Might make it possible to grow more heliconias in the ground and get them to bloom the following year.

Steve

Bob
06-28-2009, 08:47 AM
I was just listening to Ralph Snodsmith ( go ahead .. dish it out I can take it, have been listening for over 20 years). A rep from liquid fence company was on and they have taken over distribution for the inventors and will have it on the market accross the country in fall. They're promoting it for example to extend the blooming of fall hardy mums etc. I was going to bring my basjoos in this winter to get bigger corms to overwinter but now maybe I'll leave one out and see if I can keep a p-stem alive....why not. May even get brave and try out a few other marginaly hardy things I've held out on.

ilmr
07-02-2009, 07:50 AM
http://pro.liquidfence.com/tech/pdf/EcologicFreezePrufTDS.pdf

Active ingredients:
Polyethylene glycol 8000 8.00%
Glycerin 0.25%

Other Ingredients (Concentrate %s):
91.75% (Water; Bicyclic Oxazolidines;
Silicic acid, potassium salt; Siloxane
polyalkyleneoxide copolymer)

And hi all :-)

enigma99a
08-17-2009, 01:31 AM
Awesome, i got a gallon concentrate ordered.

enigma99a
08-17-2009, 02:07 AM
http://pro.liquidfence.com/tech/pdf/EcologicFreezePrufTDS.pdf

Active ingredients:
Polyethylene glycol 8000 8.00%
Glycerin 0.25%

Other Ingredients (Concentrate %s):
91.75% (Water; Bicyclic Oxazolidines;
Silicic acid, potassium salt; Siloxane
polyalkyleneoxide copolymer)

And hi all :-)

Now everything here is mild toxicity at most, so also here is a question for some of you. What ability does a plant have to take in toxic substances in from the leaves and send it to the fruit (in this case bananas), and building up toxicity. It's my only concern

enigma99a
08-25-2009, 07:28 PM
My Freezepruf got here today and it's not even Sept 1 yet!

blownz281
08-25-2009, 08:01 PM
So would this make it safe for my banana's to survive in the winters here in Richlands or Wilmington NC depending on where we end up living. Hopefully Wilmington NC. Basjoo,Velutina,Sikkis,Chinese banana,Laterias,Ice Cream,Orinoco. They would have to live in pots for the time being.

hammer
08-25-2009, 08:29 PM
Maybe i missed what im going to ask but i wonder the long term sideeffects to the plant . and would it be safe to eat the bananas.

ilmr
08-26-2009, 03:50 AM
Has anyone seen this available in europe or sold somewhere that delivers to europe?

enigma99a
08-26-2009, 05:40 AM
Maybe i missed what im going to ask but i wonder the long term sideeffects to the plant . and would it be safe to eat the bananas.

Why you don't want to eat toxic fruit:)? I'm not so sure either. My bananas don't really need protection and was planning on using it on tender palms and flowers. I would spray the bananas but am worried about toxicity. Eve though the product is only slightly toxic

El Manolo
08-31-2009, 04:41 PM
Is it still possible to buy Freeze Pruf? I have a friend who has a company in Holland who wants to buy it. But the University of Alabama is not responding to his emails. Perhaps there is another email adres he can send his mails to?

The website of the company is Exogarden.nl, winterharde palmzaden en andere exotische zaden. (http://www.exogarden.nl)

He wants to sell the product in his online shop. This could be the breakthrough for this product in Europe then. If it works.


So if anybody knows who I can contact please let me know.

Greetz El Manolo

enigma99a
08-31-2009, 08:39 PM
try amazon.com

El Manolo
09-02-2009, 04:30 AM
Nothing on amazon

enigma99a
09-02-2009, 04:01 PM
Then try the supplier Deer Repellent and other Natural Animal Repellents from Liquid Fence (http://liquidfence.com/)

El Manolo
09-03-2009, 03:34 AM
I gave their stats yesterday to my friend. So he's going to try it with them now.

ilmr
09-23-2009, 03:13 AM
I gave their stats yesterday to my friend. So he's going to try it with them now.

Any luck yet?

El Manolo
09-23-2009, 04:44 AM
Nope sorry still nothing. My guess is they first want to see if the product works for Amerika cause the production rate is still low. If it works enough I think they'll boost up the production and will concentrate more on export.

So IMO we'll have to wait another year.

ilmr
09-23-2009, 05:03 AM
Nope sorry still nothing. My guess is they first want to see if the product works for Amerika cause the production rate is still low. If it works enough I think they'll boost up the production and will concentrate more on export.

So IMO we'll have to wait another year.

Yes I guess that's the case. For me the time when nighttime freezes are a possibility has started now so would love to try it since there shouldn't be daytime freezes for another two or so months. If somehow you manage to get some to europe, holler at me!

exovetek
11-13-2009, 11:48 PM
I stumbled across this stuff at stokes tropicals while shopping for frost blankets. $110 inc. shipping to CA for a gallon of concentrate, more than five times the price anticipated earlier is the forum. If anyone finds it cheaper online, please share the info. I'm definitely going to try this on my plants. Frost is only occasionally here, but still a deadly threat to Banana's. I'm also curious as to how well it will work on a ferns more delicate foliage, or if it may harm them.

enigma99a
11-14-2009, 03:29 AM
I stumbled across this stuff at stokes tropicals while shopping for frost blankets. $110 inc. shipping to CA for a gallon of concentrate, more than five times the price anticipated earlier is the forum. If anyone finds it cheaper online, please share the info. I'm definitely going to try this on my plants. Frost is only occasionally here, but still a deadly threat to Banana's. I'm also curious as to how well it will work on a ferns more delicate foliage, or if it may harm them.

Yes, I agree 100 dollars is a LOT for a gallon of concentrate. Especially in this economy. Therefore, I am not going to use it until I need it, which is in December most likely. If anyone finds a coupon or another place online please let us know. Or better yet, how to make our own

Ade
11-14-2009, 06:52 AM
I have been given a litre of this to try out, an American friend now living in the UK but also with an address in America shipped some to himself and he kindly passed some on to me.
I wanted to test Freezepruf on a few different palms and plants and hoped to test good sized Ensete ventricosum and ventricosum 'maurellii' both are at the moment unkeepable outside here in the UK.
I mixed up half of the bottle at one part Freezepruf to three parts water in a large pump up sprayer bottle and wanted to get an early coating to enhance the systemic action of the product, hard frosts here are about another month away maybe a bit longer.

I treated a few palms and soon realised that the mix doesnt go too far so I needed a rethink, feather palms such as a Phoenix reclinata and a Lytocaryum weddellianum would have been a great test but the wastage was too great.
As this product needs recoating every 4 to 6 weeks then it was obvious that I was going to run out before my second application.

Unfortunately I now realise that the Ensetes are just too big to experiment with and Im now down to testing a Philodendron selloum, a small Musa zebrina and hopefuly a small Lytocaryum.

I dont think my tests will carry much wieght now as Ill have to be more economical than I would have wanted to be.
The best test I can do of interest on this board is the Musa zebrina, I have 2 small plants next to each other so Ill treat one and leave the other.
I doubt either will make it through winter but I can see how much longer (if any) that the treated zebrina lasts.

My first impression of this product is that the cost is likely to out wiegh the benefits, maybe to use on a specimen palm/plant/banana but for general use around the garden then it just doesnt go far enough, maybe a big seller when the price drops or someone gets hold of the ingredients and makes a similar product.

It will be interesting to hear reports from those trying this product properly in quantity and what effects can be gained from different strength mixes.

(I dont normally do smilies but as this is my first post then :nanadrink:) :ha:

applied
12-05-2009, 02:44 PM
YouTube - After the freeze (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6yotFWRvLo)
It seemed to help my bamboo more than my bananas.
it got 26.2 here in Baytown Tx.

enigma99a
12-05-2009, 02:59 PM
YouTube - After the freeze (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6yotFWRvLo)
It seemed to help my bamboo more than my bananas.
it got 26.2 here in Baytown Tx.

ugh... looks like it didn't work at all......... Did you apply to the bottom of the leaf too?

applied
12-05-2009, 03:03 PM
I did spray under the leaves but maybe not enough. I did take pups from all my bananas and put them in my greenhouse.

enigma99a
12-05-2009, 06:54 PM
I tried to spray some of my stuff. I have some Ice Creams that are just towering. No way I can spray them so I am just going to let nature take its couse

Bananaman88
12-05-2009, 08:53 PM
Applied, hey good to see you on here! It got down to 28 here in Pearland and boy do my bananas look sad! Your bamboo should pull through, I'd think- or were these more tropical types?

applied
12-06-2009, 07:16 AM
Some of the tropicals that where hurt, Dendrocalamus strictus, Dendrocalamus asper 'Betung Hitam' and Gigantochloa atroviolacia- Tropical Black Bamboo. I think they may loose some leaves but will be ok.
As far as the bananas go, the Musa Thai Black has held up fairly well, my
Musa 'African Red' and Ensete maurelii suffered the most. The Pseudostems:bed: seem to be ok. Hopefully they will recover. I think the freezepruf my have saved some of the plants from a sure death. Time will tell. Hope to see you at Mercer soon.

sunfish
08-16-2012, 04:02 PM
Bump :)

enigma99a
08-17-2012, 12:47 AM
My experience Freeze Pruf is garbage. Total snake oil. Best thing to do is A. Move to a warmer climate, or B. Use an actual heater like propane etc on your frost nights. (assuming you live in a borderline climate)