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tophersmith
07-11-2008, 05:01 PM
Has anyone ever seen this color Siam Ruby? If not how hard would it be to TC it? So far it has 1 pup with 2 leaves both are green.:0495:

Gabe15
07-11-2008, 05:42 PM
There seems to be lots of color variation coming out of the tissue cultures. If you were to TC this one, I'm not sure what you would happen, you might get plants that look true to type or you may get as much variation as is normally seen with 'Siam Ruby'.

Chironex
07-11-2008, 05:49 PM
That is really interesting. It might be as difficult to TC as Aeae since it appears to be a chimera in nature. These are tough since the cells providing for the variegation are scattered in the meristem and don't necessarily come through in the Cultured plant. A few of us are working on ways to TC them, but it is still quite a lot of conjecture and experimentation. On the other hand, we need explant material in order to attempt TC'ing these. So, save some pups for that in addition to keeping some back-ups in case it doesn't work in TC.
It sure has some beautiful colors and I hope that we will figure out a way to clone them. Gabe is far more experienced than I, so I hope that he will chime in on this thread, too.

Chironex
07-11-2008, 05:51 PM
Well there you have it, lol Gabe types faster than I do, too.

Bananaman88
07-11-2008, 07:51 PM
Mine got some bright red coloration like that last year when it got a bit too cold before I brought it in for the winter. Even though I'm in Houston I decided not to take any chances with this one until we know a bit more about its hardiness.

tophersmith
07-11-2008, 08:27 PM
Mine got some bright red coloration like that last year when it got a bit too cold before I brought it in for the winter. Even though I'm in Houston I decided not to take any chances with this one until we know a bit more about its hardiness.

So is that a yes this type of color variation has been seen before? I was thinking of swinging by Agristarts and seeing what they could do.

Bananaman88
07-11-2008, 10:12 PM
I think mine was simply damage to the leaf due to cold weather that brought out colors not normally seen. I've never seen mine look that way since. I seriously doubt yours is due to cold damage considering it's July, so you may have something there. I tend to agree with Gabe, though that they seem highly variable and I would think it would be tough to get another one just like it. Just my opinion.

jpfloors
07-11-2008, 10:58 PM
Chris also stated in the pic description in the gallery that it was just purchased at a nursery. Could this also be a possibility of some lack of sunlight? Maybe grown in the shade? I've seen some nurseries not know how to care for plants like this and grow them under their shade clothes.

chong
07-12-2008, 12:55 AM
Actually the first picture I ever saw of this plant, it was all crimson red and not burgundy, as the prevailing color appears to be in most plants that I'm seeing now. At that time it was called the "Ace of Hearts".

tophersmith
07-12-2008, 07:43 AM
Actually the first picture I ever saw of this plant, it was all crimson red and not burgundy, as the prevailing color appears to be in most plants that I'm seeing now. At that time it was called the "Ace of Hearts".

I just sent Key West a PM to see how his Ace of Hearts turned out (color wise).

damaclese
07-12-2008, 10:12 AM
Has anyone ever seen this color Siam Ruby? If not how hard would it be to TC it? So far it has 1 pup with 2 leaves both are green.:0495:
all i have to say is WOW that is one interesting and most rare looking Banana pleas TC it and all be first in line to buy one from you
Paul
ps and i thought we already established that Ae Ae could in fact be TC'ed

austinl01
07-12-2008, 10:48 AM
Wow, that's a very beautiful plant. I love the coloration.

bigdog
07-12-2008, 11:03 AM
I think you've got a really nice new color variation there! You need to baby that one and see how the pups turn out. I haven't seen one yet that has two different shades of red, so you could have a very valuable plant there. Please keep us updated on its progress!

Frank

gadget
07-12-2008, 11:13 AM
Did you buy it with that color?
My siam ruby’s leafs will turn that color, when they are dying.
Looks great, keep us updated.

:nanadrink:

Chironex
07-12-2008, 12:05 PM
Sure it can be TC'ed, but keeping the variegation is the problem. Gabe was saying that someone actually did it, but later the variegation faded. We need a few sample Aeae's to try some other methods of micropropagation with chimeras. Anyone care to donate an Aeae? I didn't think so. lol

MediaHound
07-12-2008, 12:25 PM
STUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!
That is like the holy grail of the Siam Rubys!

51st state
07-12-2008, 02:15 PM
looks great... mine all survived the jump over the 'pond' and are just colouring up nicely in the poly tunnel. the stress of the trip has put 3 of them into pup mode already too. great colouration, fingers crossed for these babies

tophersmith
07-13-2008, 05:53 PM
Ok so I swung by PDN this weekend and spoke with Tony Avent, he mentioned that he sees this coloration in about 5% of his Siam Rubies. He also echoed what Gabe said regarding TC'ing this plant and there is no way to proedict what will happen. Can someone help me ID this banana I received from a freind it's cold hardy to zone 7 and the 8 leaf I now see this coloration. Tony thought it was a NamWah Pearl but I thought it was not cold hardy in zone 7. Any help would be appreciated.:drum:

tophersmith
08-03-2008, 09:51 PM
STUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!
That is like the holy grail of the Siam Rubys!

I thought everyone might enjoy and updated shot

saltydad
08-03-2008, 11:42 PM
I thought everyone might enjoy and updated shot

Such a beautiful nana. Let us know if it stays this way and how the pups turn out. Thanks!

damaclese
08-09-2008, 09:42 AM
I thought everyone might enjoy and updated shot
looking even better Chris! truly a stunning Specimen

microfarmer
08-10-2008, 12:50 AM
Can someone help me ID this banana I received from a freind it's cold hardy to zone 7 and the 8 leaf I now see this coloration. Tony thought it was a NamWah Pearl but I thought it was not cold hardy in zone 7. Any help would be appreciated.:drum:

I had a particularly fast grower that came up white like that and greened up in couple days...with the obligatory sunburn...

I quit fertilizing it for a while, and it settled back to green shoots.

tophersmith
10-17-2008, 09:12 AM
Ok so this plant has 2 pups so far, the largest being 18" I will put it up for sale this spring for all those that are interested and yes it has the same coloration.http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=13351]http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=13351&size=1[/url]

Bob
10-17-2008, 11:55 AM
You should raise the pups yourself and if they bear the same colors call the offspring something like "North Carolina ruby"..........You could have the start of something here.

adrift
10-17-2008, 03:54 PM
That's a pretty banana!

island cassie
10-17-2008, 05:01 PM
Truly gorgeous!!

saltydad
10-17-2008, 05:22 PM
Unbelievable!!

dablo93
10-18-2008, 03:24 AM
woooww
amazing color!

damaclese
10-18-2008, 07:59 AM
thanks for keeping us up to date on the ruby Chris as a side note the ruby you set me is finely starting to grow it has 3 hole leafs LOL i have to laff only God knows what I'm doing wrong with this little guy any suggestions on how to get its color to improve the more light i give it the darker it looks the coloration is vary muddy and not particularly pleasant to look at sort of a dark reddish color with a brown undertone its under 4 t5 grow lights thats tuns of light

Let me know when you plan on seling the one you have im in!

tophersmith
10-18-2008, 08:09 PM
thanks for keeping us up to date on the ruby Chris as a side note the ruby you set me is finely starting to grow it has 3 hole leafs LOL i have to laff only God knows what I'm doing wrong with this little guy any suggestions on how to get its color to improve the more light i give it the darker it looks the coloration is vary muddy and not particularly pleasant to look at sort of a dark reddish color with a brown undertone its under 4 t5 grow lights thats tuns of light

Let me know when you plan on seling the one you have im in!
I have one similar to that under morning sun conditions, from the same tissue culture batch. I don't think it's the amount of light causing this affect, perhpas Gabe can help us out on this one.

bigdog
10-18-2008, 09:58 PM
I believe what you have is a variegated Siam Ruby! Check the green part of that topmost leaf, towards the end of the leaf on the left side of it. Is that not some white variegation? That could be what's causing the multi-color effect on the red part of the leaves also. Wow. Absolutely gorgeous plant! Sign me up for a pup of that baby.

By the way, I think trying to tc that plant would prove fruitless. It looks like a somatic mutation to me.

damaclese
10-19-2008, 08:52 AM
I believe what you have is a variegated Siam Ruby! Check the green part of that topmost leaf, towards the end of the leaf on the left side of it. Is that not some white variegation? That could be what's causing the multi-color effect on the red part of the leaves also. Wow. Absolutely gorgeous plant! Sign me up for a pup of that baby.

By the way, I think trying to tc that plant would prove fruitless. It looks like a somatic mutation to me.

that make so much sens thanks for the observation Chris mite have a new line ss don't you think?

harveyc
10-19-2008, 11:05 AM
Good thinking, Frank, seems obvious now that you mention it!

tophersmith
10-19-2008, 07:36 PM
I believe what you have is a variegated Siam Ruby! Check the green part of that topmost leaf, towards the end of the leaf on the left side of it. Is that not some white variegation? That could be what's causing the multi-color effect on the red part of the leaves also. Wow. Absolutely gorgeous plant! Sign me up for a pup of that baby.

By the way, I think trying to tc that plant would prove fruitless. It looks like a somatic mutation to me.

Yes there is some varigation in the green, that was the first leaf to have signifacant green in it so I will have to watch and see.

harveyc
10-19-2008, 10:49 PM
Chris, I believe Frank is also referring to the lighter shade of red as a form of variegation in the plant. It's just not quite as obvious since it already has multiple colors to begin with.

Chironex
10-19-2008, 11:40 PM
I got the impression when Frank said "Check the green part of that topmost leaf, towards the end of the leaf on the left side of it. Is that not some white variegation?", that he was referring to the green and white portion of the leaf.

harveyc
10-20-2008, 12:48 AM
But don't stop there, Scot, he next said:
That could be what's causing the multi-color effect on the red part of the leaves also.

tophersmith
10-20-2008, 11:01 AM
There seems to be some concern over whether the pup will survive the winter, does anyone have experience overwintering Siam Ruby inside? If the consensus is that I am fighting a loosing battle then I would be more than happy to start the auction this week.

Bananaman88
10-20-2008, 12:14 PM
I overwintered mine inside OK last year. Just try to keep it on the dry side.

Bananaman88
10-20-2008, 12:15 PM
Oh yes, and watch out for spider mites!

harveyc
10-20-2008, 12:33 PM
Sandy has the best success with over-wintering so far. Somewhere back I think I had started a thread asking if anyone had one flower yet.

I already placed my opening bid via PM, right? ;)

tophersmith
10-20-2008, 12:39 PM
Sandy has the best success with over-wintering so far. Somewhere back I think I had started a thread asking if anyone had one flower yet.

I already placed my opening bid via PM, right? ;)

Harvey,

Yes you did and beleive it or not you've been outbid twice. I will check with Sandy to see wat here secrets are.

TY

harveyc
10-20-2008, 12:49 PM
I always start out low...sort of a bookmark.

I PM'd Sandy for you already and asked her to post.

tophersmith
10-20-2008, 06:08 PM
I always start out low...sort of a bookmark.

I PM'd Sandy for you already and asked her to post.

Harvey,

Thank you she already replied to my PM.

damaclese
10-24-2008, 09:36 AM
There seems to be some concern over whether the pup will survive the winter, does anyone have experience overwintering Siam Ruby inside? If the consensus is that I am fighting a loosing battle then I would be more than happy to start the auction this week.

Chris my SR is inside and its doing really well its growing faster then it did out side i do have it setting next to a sliding glass door and it has 4 4' grow lights it's not however siting directly under the lights but fairly close to them funny thing is that all my bananas do better indoors then out i think its the humidity i have all the plants clusters together which includes my orchids its got to be quite humid there this is at the far end of my kitchen in the dining area haven't seen any Spider mites yet keeping fingers crossed they were the worst iv ever seen this year

tophersmith
12-02-2008, 10:25 PM
Harvey,

Thank you she already replied to my PM.

I thought you all should know the pup is alive and growing well. It appears that the lack of light is taking away from its color, so I figured I better take a shot now before all the red was gone.

harveyc
12-02-2008, 10:57 PM
Still looking nice! :)

damaclese
12-03-2008, 10:44 AM
I thought you all should know the pup is alive and growing well. It appears that the lack of light is taking away from its color, so I figured I better take a shot now before all the red was gone.

Topersmith have you noted any yellow stripes the one you sent me has yellow along with some specs of white the white is of a vary small spots about 2 mil in diamater you would hardly see them unles you were realy close and looking for them i didnt even notes them untill you started this thread but now that the light is low there coler is fading fast so all have to wate untill summer to show them to you

tophersmith
12-03-2008, 01:47 PM
Topersmith have you noted any yellow stripes the one you sent me has yellow along with some specs of white the white is of a vary small spots about 2 mil in diamater you would hardly see them unles you were realy close and looking for them i didnt even notes them untill you started this thread but now that the light is low there coler is fading fast so all have to wate untill summer to show them to you

No I have not as this one came from a different source not like the TC I grew for you

Patty in Wisc
12-05-2008, 12:18 AM
My small TC Siam Ruby has 3 leaves and top 2 are green now from low sun. I'm keeping it fairly moist/ on dry side & it's in west window doing good.
Can't wait for summer!!

saltydad
12-05-2008, 12:32 AM
My SR is also going green, as are the pups. Hope the sun gets them nice and red come spring!

Bob
12-05-2008, 07:15 AM
My SR is also going green, as are the pups. Hope the sun gets them nice and red come spring!
Same with mine, they're fading from red to dull green and the newest pup is bright green. These are under 400 watt halide so they must need strong sun to develop the red.

tophersmith
05-07-2009, 08:36 AM
Here is an update for all those who are interested.

Ok so the pup has been seprated and pottet up. As soon as it pushes out a new leaf I will publish a picture with a Auction for it.

Bob
05-07-2009, 08:47 AM
My SR is also going green, as are the pups. Hope the sun gets them nice and red come spring!

How are your (everyone) Siam Rubies doing. All the new growth was instantly back to the "right" color as soon as I put them outdoors. Kind of amazing to me since I had them under very bright artificial and ambient light all winter.

mm4birds
05-07-2009, 01:00 PM
I think the temperature might be the stimulus for color intensity. I had one siam ruby by a sunny window at room temp all winter with avg temp around 66 degrees and another in my greenhouse which in the winter never went above 70. Both developed green leaves as they slowly put out new growth but starting early spring the greenhouse temp started going up faster and that plant showed red leaf color much earlier. Neither plant received fertilizer all winter so that was not the cause. Now both are outdoors and if the sun ever shines again (it has rained here for the past week every day) the new leaves should all become intense red again. :bananas_b

Patty in Wisc
05-07-2009, 01:27 PM
Mine not doing much. Just potted up & set outside in part shade to acclimate. Still green.

LilRaverBoi
05-07-2009, 02:05 PM
WOW...very beautiful! I want one!

stumpy4700
05-07-2009, 11:35 PM
Mine survived the winter indoors in the living room. Last year I bought the pup from Tophersmith. I've had it outside for a week and a half now and its turning a bright red color. I also had to cut out 2 pups about a foot and a half tall and pot into another pot. Both Mommy and pups are doing great...Thanks Chris !!!!!!!!!:02::02::02:

saltydad
05-08-2009, 01:50 AM
I actually haven't brought my SR outside yet, since it's been so damn rainy and (usually) chilly. However, I goofed and my 2 SR TC's are outside, but are of course still tiny and green. As soon as this $#*^!@ rain stops I'll bring it and my DC outside for the season.

tophersmith
05-08-2009, 07:22 AM
How are your (everyone) Siam Rubies doing. All the new growth was instantly back to the "right" color as soon as I put them outdoors. Kind of amazing to me since I had them under very bright artificial and ambient light all winter.

The leaves that were green inside colored up immedietly however still waiting on new growth to see if the bright red color will come back.

tophersmith
06-13-2009, 12:21 PM
I thought you all should know the pup is alive and growing well. It appears that the lack of light is taking away from its color, so I figured I better take a shot now before all the red was gone.

Ok everyone the pup from this post is now up fro Auction, good luck everyone

Lilith
06-13-2009, 01:54 PM
If your banana gets bored with the scenery in NC you can always send it to vacation at my house here in FL

Simply Bananas
06-13-2009, 02:05 PM
If your banana gets bored with the scenery in NC you can always send it to vacation at my house here in FL
lol

harveyc
06-13-2009, 03:59 PM
Ok everyone the pup from this post is now up fro Auction, good luck everyone

Good luck to ME! :ha:

tophersmith
06-17-2009, 10:18 PM
OK so the parent plat had a rough winter and I was forced to chop it ot the gound. Fortunately it came back and is starting to show the same color paterns. As a bonus I looked underneath it yesterday and to my surprise I spotted this little guy. I am keeping my fingers crossed it keeps its variagation:woohoonaner:

LilRaverBoi
06-17-2009, 11:18 PM
HOLY ****...NICE! Hope it stays like that. Not very SR-ish, but very beautiful! Def keep that one going strong!