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mushtaq86
12-30-2019, 05:43 PM
I have looked up on YouTube and the org on info about this, but i can't find what i need.
I have been using LED growlights for the last couple of years now, over winter months, as i wanted my bananas to keep growing. I looked at other type of lights, but LED was for me.
Now the issue that I have got is. I was told blue and red was all i needed, so initially I got a 60w red and blue led bulbs, over the winter months the leaves grow, but the plants won't pick up height, leaves just stack on top of each other, there is no growth on the petiole on each leaf, its not a heat issue as temperatures are not dropped less than 22c.
This year i purchased 100w red and blue LED bulb. I assumed the bulb power need to be more, but i am having the same results.
I have now read up that i possibly need full spectrum 100w LED bulbs, as bananas need more than just red and blue.
If anyone can give advice on this, i would really appreciate it.
Full spectrum works best I think, a daylight bulb is full spectrum.
mushtaq86
12-30-2019, 06:44 PM
Full spectrum works best I think, a daylight bulb is full spectrum.
Thanks Mike, have you grown bananas in daylight bulbs before.
cincinnana
12-30-2019, 08:04 PM
I have looked up on YouTube and the org on info about this, but i can't find what i need.
I have been using LED growlights for the last couple of years now, over winter months, as i wanted my bananas to keep growing. I looked at other type of lights, but LED was for me.
Now the issue that I have got is. I was told blue and red was all i needed, so initially I got a 60w red and blue led bulbs, over the winter months the leaves grow, but the plants won't pick up height, leaves just stack on top of each other, there is no growth on the petiole on each leaf, its not a heat issue as temperatures are not dropped less than 22c.
This year i purchased 100w red and blue LED bulb. I assumed the bulb power need to be more, but i am having the same results.
I have now read up that i possibly need full spectrum 100w LED bulbs, as bananas need more than just red and blue.
If anyone can give advice on this, i would really appreciate it.
I have mentioned this for the last few years.....
GO TO THE CANNIBIS forums.
The growing conditions are the same and there is much much more information on how to grow your plants.
Fellas that post in the forums have a lot to gain:08:
The DYI videos product links, are exellent .
Me ... full spectrum 65k spiral and tube cfl and full spectrum led for my plants.
My coverage is a 12x12 grow room and a conditioned 16x50 grow area and a cool garage.
Note .....this is enough to keep the plants alive and not tossing leaves every day.
Absolutely not enough to hold a flower to go to fruit.
Lights will always cause your plants to grow tighter with seemingly smaller leaves.....normal
However..Check out the roots the container that your plant is in...And you will go sheeeeet.
Two current posting forum members who I know grow under lights are Subsonicdrone and Geissene...both have plants under lights.
These fellas are good
Iowa.....your doing good stuff over there..check out the fellas growing weed though:)
But at the end of the day....I am still finding this stuff out.
mushtaq86
12-31-2019, 06:11 AM
I have mentioned this for the last few years.....
GO TO THE CANNIBIS forums.
The growing conditions are the same and there is much much more information on how to grow your plants.
Fellas that post in the forums have a lot to gain:08:
The DYI videos product links, are exellent .
Me ... full spectrum 65k spiral and tube cfl and full spectrum led for my plants.
My coverage is a 12x12 grow room and a conditioned 16x50 grow area and a cool garage.
Note .....this is enough to keep the plants alive and not tossing leaves every day.
Absolutely not enough to hold a flower to go to fruit.
Lights will always cause your plants to grow tighter with seemingly smaller leaves.....normal
However..Check out the roots the container that your plant is in...And you will go sheeeeet.
Two current posting forum members who I know grow under lights are Subsonicdrone and Geissene...both have plants under lights.
These fellas are good
Iowa.....your doing good stuff over there..check out the fellas growing weed though:)
But at the end of the day....I am still finding this stuff out.
Mike
I was hoping you would reply to this thread, as you have a lot of experience with hydroponics and growlights, with growing bananas in pots.
I didn't want to go down the growlights road, but i realised if i want to grow the more beautiful varieties, which are more Tropical, then simply putting a banana in a warm south facing room, is just not going to be enough.
Looking at other YouTube videos, it seems most of the plants that people grow, mostly require the blue and red spectrum. I guess this is not the case with bananas, as with whats happening with mine, no petiole growth, only leaf growth even with 100w bulbs.
I will be looking at the cannabis videos.
Thankyou for the info and recommendation Mike.
On my Banana's inside I use daylight 6500 cfl's to winter them over until they go back outside. They grow some but are mostly dormant in my 60ºF dimly light basement. I use them when starting any bulbs or seeds for the next year and they work good. My wife's house plants are supplemented with daylight cfl's and they do very well. A grow light bulb is full spectrum, a daylight bulb 6500 I find at a cheaper price than grow light bulbs.
HMelendez
12-31-2019, 07:36 AM
Mushtaq,
I think you was trying to do a "disco fever" Nana grow room!.....Growing and dancing at the same time!.......:ha::ha::ha::ha::ha:.......You know I can't help it bro!....LOL!.....Joking aside, I don't have to much experience using full spectrum grow lights, because of my growing environment/conditions, except using them on my TC plants, in which worked awesome!....As some of the more experienced forum members on this topic suggest, I think you should give a try to full spectrum grow lights!....Considering the factor that your Nanas are going to be inside in your house most of the time due to your growing environment/conditions!....
:2723::bananarow::2723:
mushtaq86
12-31-2019, 08:52 AM
Mushtaq,
I think you was trying to do a "disco fever" Nana grow room!.....Growing and dancing at the same time!.......:ha::ha::ha::ha::ha:.......You know I can't help it bro!....LOL!.....Joking aside, I don't have to much experience using full spectrum grow lights, because of my growing environment/conditions, except using them on my TC plants, in which worked awesome!....As some of the more experienced forum members on this topic suggest, I think you should give a try to full spectrum grow lights!....Considering the factor that your Nanas are going to be inside in your house most of the time due to your growing environment/conditions!....
:2723::bananarow::2723:
Hector
I was trying the John Travolta Saturday Night Fever disco thing hoping it would catch on :ha: :ha: :ha:
Thankyou for the advice my friend. I will be ordering some 100k full spectrum growlights, hopefully they do the trick, since my bananas don't go into the greenhouse until May.
:nanadrink:
Day Light cfl's in action,the one in the back right corner will be turned on when I fire up that heat mat.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=65689&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=65689)
These Banana's and Thai Giant (5th year for that one) in the red tub get a little light from a small window.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=65690&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=65690)
beam2050
12-31-2019, 10:09 AM
Hector
I was trying the John Travolta Saturday Night Fever disco thing hoping it would catch on :ha: :ha: :ha:
Thankyou for the advice my friend. I will be ordering some 100k full spectrum growlights, hopefully they do the trick, since my bananas don't go into the greenhouse until May.
:nanadrink:
was cleaning out a drawer the other day and found a shirt my x-wife gave me I never wore, would be perfect for you and I will sell it to you for the exclusive antique price of 69.95. :ha::ha:
live live live
keepemalive
keepemalive
live live live
keepemalIIIIIIII,IIIIII,IIIIve
happy new year everybody
mushtaq86
12-31-2019, 10:19 AM
Day Light cfl's in action,the one in the back right corner will be turned on when I fire up that heat mat.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=65689&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=65689)
These Banana's and Thai Giant (5th year for that one) in the red tub get a little light from a small window.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=65690&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=65690)
Mike
I'm impressed, you have your very own botanical garden going on there.
How do you find your bananas, growing in these cfl lights, regarding leaf and petiole growth.
One of the reason i didn't get these is simply having these hanging from my ceiling inside my home, were a no no, especially if you have a Mrs :ha: that's why i went down the LED bulb road.
subsonicdrone
12-31-2019, 10:19 AM
Iowa and Cincinnana, wow you guys have a lot of plants.... look great too Iowa
"12x12 grow room and a conditioned 16x50 grow area and a cool garage"
wow that is MANY times what i have in the basement!
lots of work!
mushtaq86
12-31-2019, 10:24 AM
was cleaning out a drawer the other day and found a shirt my x-wife gave me I never wore, would be perfect for you and I will sell it to you for the exclusive antique price of 69.95. :ha::ha:
live live live
keepemalive
keepemalive
live live live
keepemalIIIIIIII,IIIIII,IIIIve
happy new year everybody
Beam is that price in $ or £ :ha: :ha:, have a happy new year as well.:nanadrink:
beam2050
12-31-2019, 10:35 AM
Beam is that price in $ or £ :ha: :ha:, have a happy new year as well.:nanadrink:
dollars, I can't even spell euro. :ha: the song was a freebee.
.
How do you find your bananas, growing in these cfl lights, regarding leaf and petiole growth.
They grow slow but well, when we get closer to spring I'll start watering them more and they wake right up.
HMelendez
12-31-2019, 11:05 AM
Mike (Iowa),
Impressive basement botanical garden!.....WOW!....Awesome job!....
Master Beam, Mushtaq,
Wooohoooo!...…Disco music still alive!.....:ha::ha::ha::ha::ha:
Happy New Year Everybody!.....
:2723::bananarow::2723:
geissene
12-31-2019, 04:45 PM
Just adding my 2 cents. I have plants in my unheated basement (55-60F) that grow with LEDs that are majority red/blue. There are about 15% of the LEDs that are full spectrum. The ~400w light covers a 4x4' grow area and growth is fairly slow due to temperature and watering only every 2+ weeks. I've never had a flower indoors and I usually just use this grow area for sustaining small plants. I have seen pstem growth of about one foot but usually just on smaller plants. I would imagine your total light wattage would need to be over 1000W to see significant growth. Personally, I must wait for spring and move plants outside since I don't want to see my electricity bill get too high! :)
mushtaq86
12-31-2019, 05:39 PM
Just adding my 2 cents. I have plants in my unheated basement (55-60F) that grow with LEDs that are majority red/blue. There are about 15% of the LEDs that are full spectrum. The ~400w light covers a 4x4' grow area and growth is fairly slow due to temperature and watering only every 2+ weeks. I've never had a flower indoors and I usually just use this grow area for sustaining small plants. I have seen pstem growth of about one foot but usually just on smaller plants. I would imagine your total light wattage would need to be over 1000W to see significant growth. Personally, I must wait for spring and move plants outside since I don't want to see my electricity bill get too high! :)
Eric
Thanks for your input on growlights, interesting to know that you need 1000 watt LEDs for significant growth, are your red and blue growlights full spectrum, if not what is the growth like on leaf and petiole, on your bananas.
geissene
12-31-2019, 08:33 PM
My red and blue LEDs are 660/460nm and contain no full spectrum content. The leds are 5Ws each and I have 80 of them on a panel. There are 12 full spectrum LEDs spread across the panel.
I get a new leaf every 2 or 3 weeks. The leaves look normal and transpire a lot for a week after watering. I really don't push them and keep my soil very dry otherwise I'll get fungus gnats and other bugs. I also run the light for 12 hours on / 12 hours off.
You can adjust the height of your light above the plants to see if it helps. I keep my light 2-3' above my plant leaves, basically out of convenience.
Erik
cincinnana
01-15-2020, 07:30 PM
I thought you fellas in the thread might find this of interest.
Lots of red and blue..
https://renohotline.com/the-purple-haze-over-arizona-was-caused-by-a-marijuana-farm-but-its-not-what-you-think/11275/
mushtaq86
01-16-2020, 03:21 PM
I thought you fellas in the thread might find this of interest.
Lots of red and blue..
https://renohotline.com/the-purple-haze-over-arizona-was-caused-by-a-marijuana-farm-but-its-not-what-you-think/11275/
Hi Mike
Good thing that marijuana farm is legal :ha: :ha: :ha:
cincinnana
01-18-2020, 07:58 PM
Hi Mike
Good thing that marijuana farm is legal :ha: :ha: :ha:
Seems to becoming more mainstream ..........with those BOOMERS
wbrah
01-23-2020, 04:32 PM
I use this light https://www.amazon.com/Bozily-Waterproof-Spectrum-Natural-Dissipation/dp/B07R4ZQYS6/ for starting pups during low light hours of winter. I keep it on 14 hours daily. Works pretty well.
mushtaq86
01-23-2020, 04:51 PM
I use this light https://www.amazon.com/Bozily-Waterproof-Spectrum-Natural-Dissipation/dp/B07R4ZQYS6/ for starting pups during low light hours of winter. I keep it on 14 hours daily. Works pretty well.
Hi Wbrah
Have you tried using it on larger plants to see how the growth is, then again on larger plants i assume you wouldn't need to with your climate.
Allfoliagenofruit
01-23-2020, 05:31 PM
Something you might want to consider with the lights if you haven't already is the distance of the lights to the leaves. With my minimal experience growing other plants like tomatoes with lights, having the light far from the plant would make them leggy with long stems which seemed to be confirmed with what I read online. If the lights are already close to the leaves it may be what's resulting in that leaf growth without height growth since additional height is not necessary to reach the light.
Here's an explanation I found from crop scientist Michael Neff:
A photoreceptor protein called phytochrome B (PhyB) detects red light, far-red light, and the relative amounts of each.
“It’s a great photoreceptor for reading whether you’re under the shade of another or near another plant, because that light that is reflected off your neighbors is enriched in far red,” says Neff. When PhyB senses a greater proportion of far-red light, it signals the plant that it’s in shade. That spurs the plant to grow taller in an effort to get beyond the shade to a sunnier spot.
mushtaq86
01-24-2020, 11:07 AM
Something you might want to consider with the lights if you haven't already is the distance of the lights to the leaves. With my minimal experience growing other plants like tomatoes with lights, having the light far from the plant would make them leggy with long stems which seemed to be confirmed with what I read online. If the lights are already close to the leaves it may be what's resulting in that leaf growth without height growth since additional height is not necessary to reach the light.
Here's an explanation I found from crop scientist Michael Neff:
A photoreceptor protein called phytochrome B (PhyB) detects red light, far-red light, and the relative amounts of each.
“It’s a great photoreceptor for reading whether you’re under the shade of another or near another plant, because that light that is reflected off your neighbors is enriched in far red,” says Neff. When PhyB senses a greater proportion of far-red light, it signals the plant that it’s in shade. That spurs the plant to grow taller in an effort to get beyond the shade to a sunnier spot.
Hi Allfoliagenofruit
I might change my name to "all foliage but no height" :ha:
Thanks for information on the light distance but i have tried adjusting the light distance but have the same results
I'm going with geissene info, i belive I'm going to need 1000w to get good growth on leaf and petiole.
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