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druss
01-28-2019, 09:38 PM
I bought these as thomsonii, but looking at it now im wondering if its cheesmanii.http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=64317 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=64317)
Gabe15
01-28-2019, 11:56 PM
If it was between those two, I would say M. cheesmanii, but there is always the possibility it's something else or a hybrid or something new. What did the seed look like? They have very different seed, but M. cheesmanii seed is quite distinct.
druss
01-29-2019, 12:02 AM
I dont think i took pics of the seed, but looking at the pics of your thomsonii and looking at mine, they didnt match. Im no expert but to me they looked closer to cheesmanii. Now im annoyed, i didn't buy any cheesmanii, so i know i didnt mix it up.
druss
01-30-2019, 07:23 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=64331&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=64331&ppuser=20119)
Pup off the same plant
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=64332&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=64332&ppuser=20119)
Another seedling
druss
01-30-2019, 07:28 PM
Plus i have this, from the same supplier http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=64324&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=64324)which i was told was helens hybrid:
druss
01-30-2019, 07:30 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=64325 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=64325)
druss
01-30-2019, 07:33 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=64322 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=64322)
This seems to resemble thomsonii more closely
druss
02-02-2019, 05:48 PM
Okay so without me pre-empting it, what would people say these are:http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=64336 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=64335)
jmoore
02-03-2019, 03:02 AM
Difficult to gauge the size, but Thompsonii are smaller than Cheesmani and don't have 'spikes'. If they are small, kind of Velutina sized, they are Thompsonii.
They don't really look like Chessmanii.
druss
02-03-2019, 03:14 AM
These are the seeds of the second plant. The one supposedly helens hybrid that im almost convinced is thomsonii. I have an old pic by gabe that shows great resemblance but its not mine so i wont post it. I dont have pics of the seeds of the first plant but it resembles a lot of pics of cheesmanii plants. Do you grow these J,?
jmoore
02-03-2019, 04:52 AM
Definitely not Helen's hybrid. If you press me I'd say they look more like Yunnanensis.
druss
02-03-2019, 06:00 AM
Okay so after googling alot of pics, im pretty sure the top plant i thought was thomsonii is actually cheesmanii. This link of mark Davies (not the seed source,) has a pic that matches plus others on this site and elsewhere too.
https://markdaviesseeds.co.uk/musa-cheesmani-cheesemans-banana-plant
The second plant, supposedly helens hybrid has seeds that resemble thomsonii and the form seems correct. So im going to tentatively label as such.
SoCal2warm
09-04-2019, 10:29 PM
Helen's Hybrid is a hybrid, so the offspring seedlings, even if it was self-pollinated, may not look exactly like the parent. They could resemble Sikkimensis or Chini Champa more in different ways.
If the seedlings do not look like the parent, that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't come from the parent. The parent could possibly have been pollinated by another banana in the vicinity, if it was surrounded by many bananas and there happened to be another that was flowering at the same time, in which case you could have an exciting new hybrid.
Though it may be hard to figure out what the other parent is.
The pollen parent should not affect what the seeds look like, though. So hybrid seeds would not look different.
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