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damaclese
06-17-2008, 04:31 PM
just thought id keep those who are interested up to speed on my Ensete Ventricosum the second seed out of 20 has now germinated now if i can keep from killing them any suggestions on care it way to hot to put them outside right now when should i start feeding them and how much how much water Help?

mskitty38583
06-17-2008, 07:42 PM
wahoo!!!!congrats on your new baby!!!!!:woohoonaner::birthdaynana::0518::2720:

damaclese
06-17-2008, 07:49 PM
wahoo!!!!congrats on your new baby!!!!!:woohoonaner::birthdaynana::0518::2720:
update theres three now i can see some roots coming out of the peat plug i have them planted in its just not poked its head up yet I'm trying to set the record for percentages if i get all 20 to grow then we will have some pups for people if they want them but iv promised 3 out at this point I'm hold off on any more for fir that they wont germinate in big Numbers next I'm going for some Ensete Murelii did i spell that right?

tophersmith
06-18-2008, 07:30 AM
update theres three now i can see some roots coming out of the peat plug i have them planted in its just not poked its head up yet I'm trying to set the record for percentages if i get all 20 to grow then we will have some pups for people if they want them but iv promised 3 out at this point I'm hold off on any more for fir that they wont germinate in big Numbers next I'm going for some Ensete Murelii did i spell that right?

I planted 10 seeds 2 weeks ago and no signs of life. I let the seeds soak for 3 days before palnting. How long did it take your seeds to germinate?

damaclese
06-18-2008, 08:33 AM
I planted 10 seeds 2 weeks ago and no signs of life. I let the seeds soak for 3 days before planting. How long did it take your seeds to germinate? well thats sorta interesting the first seed sprouted in 4.5 days but I'm told thats unheard of the rest took about 2 and a half weeks the 5th one just sprouted over night so I'm to a 12.5%germination rate now if more sprout then I'm going to do a happy dance hehehe i was sorta thinking wow how much space are 5 Ventricosum going to take up allot! i hope i have room for them i did promise some out so that helps a bit now that they have started to grow I'm taking the lid off during the day but they are siting in a humidified room its running about 60% lets hope they don't damp off i have Lot of problems with that i tend to over water but I'm trying to brake my self of that bad habit

dpren3275
06-19-2008, 12:43 AM
Great job! Having a Ventricosum germinate in 4.5 days.
Mine seem to be doing the opposite.... I soaked & planted 5 Ventricosum seeds in Sep of 2006, put on heat mats, timers.... everything else I had heard about but nothing came up. In the summer of 2007 I moved them to the little greenhouse where nature took care of fluctuating the temperature for me but still nothing. This past winter I set them on the back of a shelf in the cabin with other banana plants but had pretty well given up so I can't claim to having been devoted to keeping the soil evenly moist or anything. And surprise, surprise..... the end of April, 2008 I suddenly soticed two baby Ventrisosums, both about 4 inches tall. That was 19 or 20 months after I planted them.

damaclese
06-19-2008, 07:12 AM
Great job! Having a Ventricosum germinate in 4.5 days.
Mine seem to be doing the opposite.... I soaked & planted 5 Ventricosum seeds in Sep of 2006, put on heat mats, timers.... everything else I had heard about but nothing came up. In the summer of 2007 I moved them to the little greenhouse where nature took care of fluctuating the temperature for me but still nothing. This past winter I set them on the back of a shelf in the cabin with other banana plants but had pretty well given up so I can't claim to having been devoted to keeping the soil evenly moist or anything. And surprise, surprise..... the end of April, 2008 I suddenly soticed two baby Ventrisosums, both about 4 inches tall. That was 19 or 20 months after I planted them.well this is how my strange turn of events took place i put the seeds in a jar with ro water and i put them out side in the shad as the temps were ruining around 85 at that time and i forgot about them for 3 days well that was bad or so i thought as when i remembered them they were siting in the sun and the water temps were around 110 to maybe 120 deg i though o iv cooked my seeds but remembering something that lorax has said about hot water i decided to plant them any way What the heck right? and they germinated fast i put them in a jiffy germination station in my orchid room which has 70% to 80% humidity and and bright light (artificial) ruffly 3600 candles perfect for Orchids a bit dim for most plants they were pretty warm although i couldn't tell you how warm as they were siting right next to a light fixture but at night thats off so they cooled i don't have a warming pad. for the most part i just left them alone except for an out brake of mold which i took care of with a week solution of fungicide that i sprayed on them several times i only did that because they weren't up yet i know if i hit the seedlings with that they would die and thats how it all came to be!

dpren3275
06-19-2008, 07:42 AM
That makes your experience even more amazing.....
Maybe the key to banana germination is to give them the basics and then forget about them, allowing them to do their thing without sending the seeds our anxious vibes....
Thanks for sharing that with us, Donna

damaclese
06-23-2008, 01:23 PM
OK update out of 20 seeds 5 have grown. wow i cant believe how fast they grow 4 of them are now about 7 days old and there fast approaching 4" tall there just putting on there first and some their second leafs one is showing some red on the tip already I'm told thats vary unusual at such an early age maybe we have a murellii sport? its to early to tell the one with the red is also out pacing the rest as time gos by it just looks thicker taller and generally more robust then the rest
all say this buy all the Bananas you want and Tc them but you will never get the quality of a plant that you grow your self they just do better and grow faster all bet the one with the red is 4ft tall by September if all goes according to plan Scot is bring me a bunch of Banana seeds in July and I'm going to start them some are pretty rare so we mite have some stuff to trade this coming spring you never know the first seed that germinated is now 6" tall and defiantly growing like a weed seems happy no red on it in the slightest but then again even thou i got thees seed from Park seed you can never be sure if they are what they say they are its defiantly a Banana as for it being a ventricosum will see it could be an odd seed that got mixed in the bin so to speak or it could just be a sport of some sort
thanks dear readers for indulging my ramblings
Paul

mskitty38583
06-23-2008, 01:26 PM
congrats on the new babies and the fast growth!!!:bananaflipflop::bananas_g

tophersmith
06-23-2008, 01:27 PM
I came back to my office marking the start of the 4th week from when I planted my 10 seeds and what did I find but two seeds had germinated.:bananaflipflop:

damaclese
06-23-2008, 01:38 PM
I came back to my office marking the start of the 4th week from when I planted my 10 seeds and what did I find but two seeds had germinated.:bananaflipflop:congrats dude they are alot of fun to wach they grow so fast you can see it! i check min in the morning and at night befor i turn off the grow lights and they are always biger iv already repoted min i was uesing peat plugs so is vary easy to pot you just put the hole thing in to the pot and put more soil around it that way i dont have to disturb there new roots be care how much u water then im giving then a cupal of tabal spones about ever 3 days but i have them in 80%humidity i started them on some sunn three days ago 15 first day then increasing slowly iv got them on 1.5hr sun and 10hr grow light but thats not a real high intesity light as its the one for my orchids its lacking red spectrum so iv had to suplamint a bit with some incandesints
ps all take some pics this after noon just got back form a 35ml rid nead nap heheh first

natedogg1026
06-23-2008, 10:37 PM
I share your joy Pauly. I have had 2 Superbums pop in the last two weeks (Right after I bought one from Kyle LOL!). Pretty cool growing them from seed huh.

mskitty38583
06-23-2008, 11:20 PM
congrats nate!!:waving::golfingbanana::2731::2767:

damaclese
06-24-2008, 04:31 PM
update: OK were at day 8 well last night must have been good for the Little fellas cos now 3 of the 5 are 5 inches tall thats a gain of 1.25 inches in one 24 hr period so of thous now have first leafs and are about 3/4 of the way opine isn't that amazing number 4 and 5 are not that far behind them maybe tomorrow they will have leafs too what i thought was some red was a mistake I'm afraid to say that its more likely just some slight browning of the embryos stem tip but its so slit I'm not worried iv upped the humidity a bit and gave them all a 1/4 strength dose of some schults fertilizer looks like its a 17 9 23 its hard to say as its not clearly posted i used it because its for orchids and is extremely genital and well buffered and wont burn bare roots also contains trace minerals I'm using sterile potting soil which i believe is low in nutrients do to the cooking process they put it throw but I'm not sure on that
also i forgot to mention since i have trouble with seeds damping off i used orchid pots they have air holes all over them i thought since they wont be in those for more then a month it mite be good and so far its working fine i just have to keep an eye on the moisture as thees type of pots dry out easily thinking of using them for others seed its working out so well i also forgot to mention that i have fans ruining in the germination room at low speed its also my orchid and hospital room as its small and has all the lighting and air controlling equipment already installed nothing fancy mind you but it all works and i have 5 rescue orchids that have baby's in Les then 4 weeks so as i said its a good place to grow any thing thats tropical temps are running about 87deg in there and relative humidity is at 85% i sweat every time i go in there so i don't hehehe no i go in to check on the babies i feel like a new dad I'm so hooping that this is the beginning of a new soars of income for me id like to be able to sell some to pay for what is turning in to an exspesiv Hobey the orchid is what I'm referring to the bananas are relatively cheep in comparison OK thats it for today I'm not sure how much more i can say but i will keep you all posted when they go out side and such and all update on the hard to germinate Banana seed that I'm getting next month thanks for reading all take care
Paul

Chironex
06-24-2008, 04:48 PM
Pauly, somewhere I read that sprinkling a bit of powdered charcoal or even powdered cinnamon around the base of each seedling helps prevent damping off. Also, green tea is a natural fungicide. Just brew a few cups, allow it to cool to room temperature and spray it on and around the seedlings.
I tried it, and so far have not has a problem with damping off. But now I use sterile, soil-less diatomaceous earth for all seed germination. I cover each seed with a thin layer of vermiculite and it works like a charm. Just got my Abyssinian to germinate a few days ago and have more seeds about ready to pop.

damaclese
06-24-2008, 08:54 PM
Pauly, somewhere I read that sprinkling a bit of powdered charcoal or even powdered cinnamon around the base of each seedling helps prevent damping off. Also, green tea is a natural fungicide. Just brew a few cups, allow it to cool to room temperature and spray it on and around the seedlings.
I tried it, and so far have not has a problem with damping off. But now I use sterile, soil-less diatomaceous earth for all seed germination. I cover each seed with a thin layer of vermiculite and it works like a charm. Just got my Abyssinian to germinate a few days ago and have more seeds about ready to pop.
thats grate dude way to go i want some of thouse abyssinian how meny did you germinat?

Chironex
06-24-2008, 10:23 PM
I just tried for 2, but only one has germinated so far. It's kinda weird it looks like a long spike about 5 inches high and real light green. It may darken as I expose it to more light. The other will come up when it want to I guess. But I think I have more seeds of it somewhere, so we can try germinating them when we get things set-up. I didn't want to let them get old, so I am trying to start a bunch of them. But I have more seed coming too.

damaclese
06-25-2008, 04:51 PM
I just tried for 2, but only one has germinated so far. It's kinda weird it looks like a long spike about 5 inches high and real light green. It may darken as I expose it to more light. The other will come up when it want to I guess. But I think I have more seeds of it somewhere, so we can try germinating them when we get things set-up. I didn't want to let them get old, so I am trying to start a bunch of them. But I have more seed coming too.
them looking like spikes is normal in a few days you will notes a sorta round spoon like leaf and the sould look light green donw worry about that and dont give them to much light at first ease them in to the sun if you have some artafisal lighting like a low intesaty grow light that would be grate at 9 days i have got my boys siting in a morning sun window for about 1.5 hr a day tomarow we are going for 2 they grow vary fast at this age some times as much as an inch a day keep there humidity up around 80% if you can o update nuber 7 has just sproted in the gemanation station we are going to be over run by Ventracosum hope some pepol take some heheh iv got four promist out and three are staying here so the nexst ones will be yours if you want it and then if more come up will deal with that

Chironex
06-25-2008, 08:23 PM
Ok Pauly, thanks for the tips. Thanks too for saving one for me. I think we are going to have a lot of bananas to offer to people - great problem to have....
So you're at a 35% germination rate so far - Fantastic!!!! Keep it going!

damaclese
06-26-2008, 05:39 PM
Ok Pauly, thanks for the tips. Thanks too for saving one for me. I think we are going to have a lot of bananas to offer to people - great problem to have....
So you're at a 35% germination rate so far - Fantastic!!!! Keep it going!
i would feel vary satisfied with 10 thats how meny seeds i orderd but they always send dubal on hard to geminat seed at Park seed co

CookieCows
06-26-2008, 08:18 PM
Congrats on the babies! I haven't attempted growing nanas from seed yet so this was another great thread to subscribe to for me. I just read up on Ensete Ventricosum. They are nice! Can't wait for pictures!

Deb

mskitty38583
06-26-2008, 10:16 PM
yes still waiting for pics...:pics:. we want to see the new bnanana babies!!!!:bebe::bebe::bebe:

damaclese
06-27-2008, 08:57 AM
Congrats on the babies! I haven't attempted growing nanas from seed yet so this was another great thread to subscribe to for me. I just read up on Ensete Ventricosum. They are nice! Can't wait for pictures!

Deb all post some today iv just been working kinda mixsed up shiftshttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=10705&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10705&ppuser=2612)

Chironex
06-27-2008, 09:14 AM
Attaboys to you Pauly! Keep up the good work.

damaclese
06-27-2008, 09:33 AM
Attaboys to you Pauly! Keep up the good work.
i know its not that grate a pic but dont they look healthy? the biger two are growing there first adult leafs its hard to see in the pic

tophersmith
06-27-2008, 09:40 AM
all post some today iv just been working kinda mixsed up shiftshttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=10705&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10705&ppuser=2612)

When they are this large what do you keep them in to keep the humidity up?

CookieCows
06-27-2008, 10:11 AM
Aww.. they are nice! They really look GOOD. Congrats!

Deb

mskitty38583
06-27-2008, 11:37 AM
thank you for the pics pauly!!!they look awesome,great job.....now to send one to my house the addy is:........LOL!:golfingbanana:

damaclese
06-27-2008, 06:23 PM
thank you for the pics Pauly!!!they look awesome,great job.....now to send one to my house the addy is:........LOL!:golfingbanana:ok Kitty if two more sprout then you can have the second one i already have every one promised out so fare the I'm keeping 3 i promised out 456and 7 to Friends here in Vegas Scot gets number 8 and then you get the next number 9 so fare 7 have sprouted but all have to Waite a wail to send it probably not until September as its way to hot to send such a youngin out in to the hot cruel world unescorted and are you sure you have room thees get to over 20ft tall

Chironex
06-27-2008, 06:29 PM
Pauly, you can send her mine. I probably won't have a place until next year where I can plant much anyway. Plus I get to see yours if I need a fix.

damaclese
06-27-2008, 06:30 PM
When they are this large what do you keep them in to keep the humidity up?
they are in a room thats 7x6 its my guest bathroom i keep my orchids in there so theirs a humidifier ruining 24/7 i have the walls water proofed so the moisture stays in the room there a Small east facing window which lets some light in for about 3hr early in the morning and i have 4 36" blue and red florescent lights set up to help them grow what im going to do withe them after they get biger is any ones gues im building a green house this fall if all gose to plane but its ify on the time frame

damaclese
06-27-2008, 06:32 PM
Pauly, you can send her mine. I probably won't have a place until next year where I can plant much anyway. Plus I get to see yours if I need a fix.
all keep yours until you get a garden for it no worries

tophersmith
06-27-2008, 07:50 PM
they are in a room thats 7x6 its my guest bathroom i keep my orchids in there so theirs a humidifier ruining 24/7 i have the walls water proofed so the moisture stays in the room there a Small east facing window which lets some light in for about 3hr early in the morning and i have 4 36" blue and red florescent lights set up to help them grow what im going to do withe them after they get biger is any ones gues im building a green house this fall if all gose to plane but its ify on the time frame

Ah yes I seem to remember you saying that, this does not help me as mine are about yo outgrow the ice cream cake container there in. Any suggestions to keep the hummidity up?

damaclese
06-27-2008, 10:50 PM
Ah yes I seem to remember you saying that, this does not help me as mine are about yo outgrow the ice cream cake container there in. Any suggestions to keep the humidity up? well if you cant isolate them in a moist space i would put them on a tray with a layer of pebbles and put water in the tray not so much as the pots are touching the water this will create a micro climate around the pots raising the humidity quite a bit misting helps them to they can take some fairly low humidity if you are keeping them properly watered try the pebbles i think it works pretty good clean the tray ones in a wail it gets nasty fast in hot weather incidentally this works for any plants you have that like moisture

mskitty38583
06-27-2008, 11:03 PM
you guys are great!!!!!i feel so special( no i didnt ride the short bus...but now im thinking i should have) LOL! thanks guys.

damaclese
06-27-2008, 11:21 PM
OK dos any one know were i can get some murellii seeds i know they mite not come true but id like to try them any way PLEASE help! lol I'm a poor orphan boy living in a hostile desert some one take pity on me a throw me a banana lol o and some water would be nice to hehehe

tophersmith
06-30-2008, 06:01 PM
My third seed has germeinated this a full 5 weeks from being placed in soil. I will hopefully have a pictue of my largest one in my photo album tonight, as I am forced to move it out of its minirature terrarium today.:lurk:

damaclese
07-03-2008, 02:52 PM
thats grate im still at 7 but im happy and im sure at 3 you are too cant wat to see you pics my liitil guys are geting big the all have two leafs and hafe have there therd leafs growing out no sign of any read im sure all get some with at leat red on there stems but will have to wate an see at least theas seeds were gerintead so iff there all green i get my mony back have you transplanted any yet?

dablo93
07-03-2008, 04:08 PM
Hi Pauly, a question,
are you going to plant themin full sun?

damaclese
07-05-2008, 08:01 AM
Hi Pauly, a question,
are you going to plant themin full sun?

no east wall sun only untill 12:00 noon

tophersmith
07-06-2008, 07:18 PM
thats grate im still at 7 but im happy and im sure at 3 you are too cant wat to see you pics my liitil guys are geting big the all have two leafs and hafe have there therd leafs growing out no sign of any read im sure all get some with at leat red on there stems but will have to wate an see at least theas seeds were gerintead so iff there all green i get my mony back have you transplanted any yet?

Ok here is my largest seedling as well as pictures of my Ebay win then and now.

damaclese
07-09-2008, 09:22 AM
topersmith do you see any red on the stems yet i dint see any in the pic but you know how pics are they dont oftin show true coler? min dont have a bit of any red yet all be so disapointed if they dont turn red im going to go take pics of my littil guys now and alsow my Ice Creams now that they are growing again in sid the house

tophersmith
07-09-2008, 09:36 AM
topersmith do you see any red on the stems yet i dint see any in the pic but you know how pics are they dont oftin show true coler? min dont have a bit of any red yet all be so disapointed if they dont turn red im going to go take pics of my littil guys now and alsow my Ice Creams now that they are growing again in sid the house

No red at all on any of mine including the one I purchased on EBAY, should they have red?

damaclese
07-09-2008, 09:45 AM
No red at all on any of mine including the one I purchased on EBAY, should they have red?they should have red stems when they start to mature some may and this is a vary slit Chance be red in there leafs the murelli is a sport of the Ventricosum found in the Forest of new Geuni at first it was thought to be a new speceas but after exsamanation of the geenom they sintist were convinsed it was a ganetic mutation of the normal Ventricosum so in
esence they are the same plant just siltly difrint geen controling the pigmentation

damaclese
07-09-2008, 09:54 AM
heres the udated pics of the Ventracosum seedlings at 3 weeks to 5 weeks
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=11090&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11090&ppuser=2612)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=11091&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11091&ppuser=2612)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=11092&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11092&ppuser=2612)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=11093&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11093&ppuser=2612)

tophersmith
07-17-2008, 01:20 PM
4 th seed germinated I cannot beleive how much luck I have had with these. Anyone who would like one in trade let me know.

damaclese
07-19-2008, 09:51 AM
im stuck at 7 but thats cool by me they are realy big Bananas geting to over 20ft so one or two will be sufishint good luck with the rest of your seeds im a 35% i think the last of my seeds arnt viabal
most arnt they dont even have an embro

mskitty38583
07-19-2008, 10:20 AM
they are looking good pauly. congrats!

Dean W.
07-19-2008, 10:58 AM
They look great, Pauly!:woohoonaner:

austinl01
07-19-2008, 10:59 AM
Those seedlings are looking really healthy. Great job!

damaclese
07-19-2008, 06:35 PM
they are looking good pauly. congrats!
thanks Kitty they are siting in my kichin untill sept its way to hot for such youngins out side right now i think im going to have to get more grow lights dam this hobys geting exspesiv its not like were you live i wish i could just put somthin in the ground and wach it take off post some pics id like to see your hole yard not just the close ups of the Bananas

mskitty38583
07-20-2008, 12:03 AM
i have to get a digital camera for my evidence photo class at the end august, so ill have to learn to use it someway. lol! im fixing to have to add to my memory garden tomorrow. my 13 yr old tabbycat pepper anne died today. so i will be exanding that tomorrow and planting some suprise lilies for her. but as soon as i get my camera pauly, ill take some bigger pics.

damaclese
07-20-2008, 04:33 PM
i have to get a digital camera for my evidence photo class at the end august, so ill have to learn to use it someway. lol! im fixing to have to add to my memory garden tomorrow. my 13 yr old tabbycat pepper anne died today. so i will be exanding that tomorrow and planting some suprise lilies for her. but as soon as i get my camera pauly, ill take some bigger pics.
Wow Kitty im so sorry to hear that your cat has passed away i surtinly can relat to this it brings me back to a time when my dear Cocker spainal Pachese Passed she was 17 if thers any thing i can do for you let me know OK! as my Boy friend remindid me at that time " to all things there is a seson and to all things life must turne anew" i hope your find some cofert in my small ofering take care Pauly

mskitty38583
07-20-2008, 04:43 PM
thanks pauly i appriciate your kind words.

tophersmith
07-21-2008, 09:03 AM
I'm at 50% as of today a 5th seed has germinated, what to do with all the Ensete Ventricosum. I guess I need to take an adoption add out as I cannot plant and dig up in the fall 5 more Ventricosum as it is I am already digging up 6 large nanners some weighing over 200lb's. Any suggestions for what to do, as I think I need a Ensete Glaucum or Ensete Superbum as they might make it thru a zone 7b winter.

damaclese
07-21-2008, 09:17 AM
I'm at 50% as of today a 5th seed has germinated, what to do with all the Ensete Ventricosum. I guess I need to take an adoption add out as I cannot plant and dig up in the fall 5 more Ventricosum as it is I am already digging up 6 large nanners some weighing over 200lb's. Any suggestions for what to do, as I think I need a Ensete Glaucum or Ensete Superbum as they might make it thru a zone 7b winter. do what i do go to your friends and ofer to plant some in there yard for them lol i have done that befor althowe i uesouly end up taking care of them. thats what i do with the Orchids i get from the cosinos i nurse them back to helth then give them new homes and if the pepol i give then to start to have problims with them i take them back and give then a new one sorta like a rotating plant service u could do that with poted bananas and when they get to big to move just keep am!

tophersmith
07-21-2008, 01:04 PM
do what i do go to your friends and ofer to plant some in there yard for them lol i have done that befor althowe i uesouly end up taking care of them. thats what i do with the Orchids i get from the cosinos i nurse them back to helth then give them new homes and if the pepol i give then to start to have problims with them i take them back and give then a new one sorta like a rotating plant service u could do that with poted bananas and when they get to big to move just keep am!

I would still be left with what to do with thme in the winter time.

damaclese
07-22-2008, 08:09 AM
UPDATE:
rember i said that i hadint had any more sprout well low and behold 2 more cam up yesterday that makes 9 out of 20 seeds im almost at 50% i know for sure one roted so thats a gonner for sure so now ms kitty defantly will get hers in sept!

mskitty38583
07-22-2008, 10:10 AM
wahoo! thanks pauly! im excited to get it. thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

damaclese
07-23-2008, 10:12 AM
wahoo! thanks pauly! im excited to get it. thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!
no problem Kitty but its not going to be until September you are going to have to winter it inside i know for sure it wont survive out side until its at least 6 moths old thees are long lived thou the average is 5 years to maturity they also have one of the largest corms as they are grown for the starch value of the corm Vary nutritious!

tophersmith
07-23-2008, 12:21 PM
no problem Kitty but its not going to be until September you are going to have to winter it inside i know for sure it wont survive out side until its at least 6 moths old thees are long lived thou the average is 5 years to maturity they also have one of the largest corms as they are grown for the starch value of the corm Vary nutritious!

Great, sounds like I'm going to need a greenhouse ( a big one at that). If my Ensete Maurelli was 200lb last year what will my Ventricosum be in the fall of 2009? Anyone have a crane I can borrow.:bungejumpnaner:

damaclese
07-25-2008, 07:58 AM
Great, sounds like I'm going to need a greenhouse ( a big one at that). If my Ensete Mureil was lb last year what will my Ventricosum be in the fall of 2009? Anyone have a crane I can borrow.:bungejumpnaner:I'm told by a number of people that are growing them in zones 9 and 10 that they can reach to 20 ft or more some times and judging by how tall my 6 week old plants are (12") already they are going to be gigantic still no red on the pedeols

mskitty38583
07-25-2008, 11:13 AM
no problem Kitty but its not going to be until September you are going to have to winter it inside i know for sure it wont survive out side until its at least 6 moths old thees are long lived thou the average is 5 years to maturity they also have one of the largest corms as they are grown for the starch value of the corm Vary nutritious!

thats ok im not in a hurry for it. i still have to get the den fixed up for the nanas that have to come in in the winter.

damaclese
07-25-2008, 04:37 PM
How to Germinate Ensete Ventricosum from Seed
What are the keys to success for germinating one of the most sought after tropical banana seeds 'Ensete Ventricosum?'

[edit] StepsSoak the seeds for a minimum of 24 hours and a maximum of 72 hours.
Sow them individually in the selected sowing medium. In a heated propagator or in a zip-tight bag.
Keep soil moist but not wet.
Wait!
After seeds have germinated, move them into a separate pot in full sun with ample water.



[edit] TipsUse a drainage layer unless you are using the recommended seed sowing medium.
These seeds germinate erratically, so patience is required to grow them successfully, and each seed could take from 1-6 months (sometimes even more) to germinate! It is recommended that each seed is in its own pot and has its own 'space' so it can germinate when it feels ready.



[edit] WarningsDo not sow the seeds too deeply.
Always keep the sowing medium moist but not wet.


heres just a smal artical i found its vary basick but im going to start posting history of the Ensete speaceas
[edit] Things You'll NeedA pack of 'Ensete Ventricosum' seeds
A heated propagator or a zip tight bag
A heat mat
An appropriate seed sowing medium (it is recommended to have 1/2 seed sowing compost, 1/4 Perlite, 1/4 Vercumilite)
A seed tray

tophersmith
07-25-2008, 09:32 PM
How to Germinate Ensete Ventricosum from Seed
What are the keys to success for germinating one of the most sought after tropical banana seeds 'Ensete Ventricosum?'

[edit] StepsSoak the seeds for a minimum of 24 hours and a maximum of 72 hours.
Sow them individually in the selected sowing medium. In a heated propagator or in a zip-tight bag.
Keep soil moist but not wet.
Wait!
After seeds have germinated, move them into a separate pot in full sun with ample water.



[edit] TipsUse a drainage layer unless you are using the recommended seed sowing medium.
These seeds germinate erratically, so patience is required to grow them successfully, and each seed could take from 1-6 months (sometimes even more) to germinate! It is recommended that each seed is in its own pot and has its own 'space' so it can germinate when it feels ready.



[edit] WarningsDo not sow the seeds too deeply.
Always keep the sowing medium moist but not wet.


heres just a smal artical i found its vary basick but im going to start posting history of the Ensete speaceas
[edit] Things You'll NeedA pack of 'Ensete Ventricosum' seeds
A heated propagator or a zip tight bag
A heat mat
An appropriate seed sowing medium (it is recommended to have 1/2 seed sowing compost, 1/4 Perlite, 1/4 Vercumilite)
A seed tray

Ok so here is what worked for me; started soking them Friday afternoon come monday at Lunch I stuck them in individual 6 inch peat pots in seed growing medium. I then watedred them well and stuck the pots in a plastic ice cream cake container it measures about 24 inches in diameter and is made if clear plastic.
Set this directly in front of a sunny window at my office. This all started at the end of May, so the days were getting longer and there was enough heat to cause condensation which I removed by tapping the top of the container. Once the stem reaches the top of the container I take them out (give them some Oscomote) and take them home to sit out in a part of my yard that only gets 3 hours of mid morning sun.
I would imagine in the winter time a heating pad would be beneficial. By the way anyone who lives close to or is passing by Raleigh NC . can feel free to swing by and pick one up while supplies last as I only need 2 maybe 3.:bananas_b

damaclese
07-30-2008, 12:14 PM
Chris
thanks for the tip i had to laf when i read your last post as I'm now over run with them my self i have 9 but no one wants them i guess they are Musa snobs lol J/K in studding this Ensete i pretty sure that vary few people have room for a Banana that has such a large root system and that doesn't like high Humidity and will die with to much water
its hard to imagine but thees guys don't come from the jungle but live on the dry but temperate high planes of Ethiopia were the rain its steady but not torrential and with some pretty long dry spells guess thats why it has one of the biggest corms iv read that it can be on the order of 40 Klo
thats ruffly 36LB the more i read about this Banana the more exotic it becomes in my mind I'm just fascinated by Bananas that dos not fit in to are stander thinking of what or where a banana souled be Dry Planes preposterous! and yet there it is for all to see id like to see more people growing thees guys what a wonderful opportunity to grow a banana thats much more water conserving particularly for those of us living in low rain fall locations and the foliage is so lush with its strikingly red pedals and Limish green leafs out of all the Bananas this ones has got to be one of the prettier looking examples it seems to have Fallon out of favor probably do to the fact that its been growing in gardens here and in Europe for over a 100 years long before the Musa became available here in the US Ensete was the standard for a tropical looking specimen in your zone 9 and higher regions what can i say I'm Hooked!

damaclese
08-14-2008, 03:51 PM
im sad to report that two of my newest ventracosumes bit the big on i wasint waching them that closly as i have so meny they sorta blended in but they bit it had soil mites and the sucked the life right out of the littil guys boy was i pised well i still have 7 and thats good there all doing good had to repot the three im keeping and sending one to Kitty one to Dean and one to a new person i dont rember his of her nam but i have it in my msg's now im wating for some Enset Superbums to come up but i only planted 4 of them as i was worryed about having room for them if they Geminat all be planting the other seeds then i have sevral other Enset but im keeping the typs a secrit im thinking of doing a contest if they germinate

tophersmith
08-14-2008, 04:04 PM
im sad to report that two of my newest ventracosumes bit the big on i wasint waching them that closly as i have so meny they sorta blended in but they bit it had soil mites and the sucked the life right out of the littil guys boy was i pised well i still have 7 and thats good there all doing good had to repot the three im keeping and sending one to Kitty one to Dean and one to a new person i dont rember his of her nam but i have it in my msg's now im wating for some Enset Superbums to come up but i only planted 4 of them as i was worryed about having room for them if they Geminat all be planting the other seeds then i have sevral other Enset but im keeping the typs a secrit im thinking of doing a contest if they germinate

Wow sorry to here about the mites, where did you get your superbum seeds? How hardy are ythise again?

Chironex
08-14-2008, 06:30 PM
no problem Kitty but its not going to be until September you are going to have to winter it inside i know for sure it wont survive out side until its at least 6 moths old thees are long lived thou the average is 5 years to maturity they also have one of the largest corms as they are grown for the starch value of the corm Vary nutritious!

Hey Pauly, I have a Tiger Ginger going to MsKitty in September, let's combine them to save on shipping.

Chironex
08-14-2008, 06:35 PM
Chris
thanks for the tip i had to laf when i read your last post as I'm now over run with them my self i have 9 but no one wants them i guess they are Musa snobs lol J/K in studding this Ensete i pretty sure that vary few people have room for a Banana that has such a large root system and that doesn't like high Humidity and will die with to much water
its hard to imagine but thees guys don't come from the jungle but live on the dry but temperate high planes of Ethiopia were the rain its steady but not torrential and with some pretty long dry spells guess thats why it has one of the biggest corms iv read that it can be on the order of 40 Klo
thats ruffly 36LB the more i read about this Banana the more exotic it becomes in my mind I'm just fascinated by Bananas that dos not fit in to are stander thinking of what or where a banana souled be Dry Planes preposterous! and yet there it is for all to see id like to see more people growing thees guys what a wonderful opportunity to grow a banana thats much more water conserving particularly for those of us living in low rain fall locations and the foliage is so lush with its strikingly red pedals and Limish green leafs out of all the Bananas this ones has got to be one of the prettier looking examples it seems to have Fallon out of favor probably do to the fact that its been growing in gardens here and in Europe for over a 100 years long before the Musa became available here in the US Ensete was the standard for a tropical looking specimen in your zone 9 and higher regions what can i say I'm Hooked!

Pauly, please save one of those bad boys for me too. I also got one of those Tandarra Reds for you. Hope I have it by Sunday, but it's from Tallpinestropicals and they just had a death in their family, so it might not be shipped for awhile.

damaclese
08-14-2008, 10:32 PM
Hey Pauly, I have a Tiger Ginger going to MsKitty in September, let's combine them to save on shipping.sure i was going to send it sooner do to the fact that it needs repoting and i was being lazy but if its ok with her all wate

damaclese
08-14-2008, 10:42 PM
Pauly, please save one of those bad boys for me too. I also got one of those Tandarra Reds for you. Hope I have it by Sunday, but it's from Tallpinestropicals and they just had a death in their family, so it might not be shipped for awhile.
ok cool i worked on the garden today geting it ferther along so you could realy see somthing but in this heat its realy slow going and the AC desided to take a hike so im wating on a part hopfully it will be fixed for you on sunday keep your fingers crosed i planted to difrint kinds of sweet potato vins one is bright lime green and the other is a dark purpl they look striking together im going to let them grow all around that Ic and the DB to cover up the bare earth
also got some nice seed some dubal red holly hocks and some nice purbal basil im realy going for this red and green thing i hope it works asteticly im sure it will one of the Pasadlora has red stems and green leafs so im going to grow that on a pole somwhere behind or nexst to one of the Bananas i think its winter hardy here all have to go check that out and way thanks for geting the Banana for me just let me know how much and all pay you for it on sunday

Chironex
08-14-2008, 11:56 PM
ok cool i worked on the garden today geting it ferther along so you could realy see somthing but in this heat its realy slow going and the AC desided to take a hike so im wating on a part hopfully it will be fixed for you on sunday keep your fingers crosed i planted to difrint kinds of sweet potato vins one is bright lime green and the other is a dark purpl they look striking together im going to let them grow all around that Ic and the DB to cover up the bare earth
also got some nice seed some dubal red holly hocks and some nice purbal basil im realy going for this red and green thing i hope it works asteticly im sure it will one of the Pasadlora has red stems and green leafs so im going to grow that on a pole somwhere behind or nexst to one of the Bananas i think its winter hardy here all have to go check that out and way thanks for geting the Banana for me just let me know how much and all pay you for it on sunday

My treat, no charge.

Chironex
08-14-2008, 11:59 PM
sure i was going to send it sooner do to the fact that it needs repoting and i was being lazy but if its ok with her all wate

I have the Tiger Ginger, just thought we could ship them together when it is cooler.

damaclese
10-24-2008, 09:50 AM
update: well this morning i was fusing over all my pants that i brout inside for the winter and i moved the Ev seed so i could readjust some things and low and behold there was a Ev seedling not only sprouted but so tall it was hitting the top of the Germination dome i repoted it and put a little green house dome over it i was just about to give up on thees seeds that makes the germination rate 10 out of 20 seeds so I'm at 50% i think thats pretty good for Banana seeds don't remember the exact date i planted it but i think it was in Feb of this year Little buggers do take there time now I'm thinking that all bet theirs going to be more and soon too maybe all have some EV to send out to some of the people on my list that didn't get any on the first wave of seedlings

damaclese
12-21-2008, 11:27 AM
well i had an out brake of aphids and lost one of the EV iv treated the rest so i still have 4 that have survived ones not looking so good thou and one roted in the pot i guess i over watered them after i took them inside for the winter so far id say these Plants defiantly are on the fussy side they don't like to be all that wet ever! not sure if they are going to make it here in Vegas but spring will tell as I'm going to replant them in a new bed thats on the east side of my house and only gets 3hr of sun a day 10 to 1pm i really want thees to work out! they are testing my skill as a Gardner so far EV 10 me 4 not all that good but i did give a bunch away

Chironex
12-21-2008, 02:14 PM
The EV that you gave to me, Pauly, is doing quite well. So add one more for your score!

damaclese
03-10-2009, 05:29 PM
OK now that its spring in Vegas I'm down to two EV so i took them out of there pots and by the way thees are growing allot better then the others i had no idea why but back to the point i planted them in the ground and they are growing really fast they seam to like are sandy rocky soil but i will admit i put some good compost stuff in the holes with them all keep you all posted on there progress threw the summer i think its going to be a cooler one this year fingers crossed!!!! thanks for sticking with me throw this long and probably boring thread but for those of us growing in Hot dry climates this is important research thanks again Paul

damaclese
07-01-2009, 09:27 AM
well the last EV i had left which was doing spectacularly up until last week suddenly dropped all its leafs and died so i may have had over 50% germination but ever one bit the dust o well i think i over watered them