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skhan
08-23-2017, 08:55 AM
I mentioned these bananas on my initial post.
I got both from friend who got it from India.
Banana 1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=62188&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=62188&ppuser=26403)
Banana 2
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=62189&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=62189&ppuser=26403)
Thanks for the help.
Sayyid
Botanical_Bryce
08-23-2017, 09:41 AM
Most are going to tell you they need to see the flowers and or fruit
edwmax
08-23-2017, 04:54 PM
Yep ... they're both BANANAs.
skhan
10-18-2017, 11:09 AM
Here is are pictures of the Mystery Banana #1 flowering.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4480/37104963593_a9634aca95.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/YwQCXB)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4483/37774907391_f5d39e7e08.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Zy3gUK)
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
(I uploaded them to the Gallery too but it doesn't seem to be working)
Botanical_Bryce
10-18-2017, 07:37 PM
Looking at the kerala one you sent it kinda looked Mysore to me and that picture looks Mysore. I hope others chime in. I hope what I sent is doing good for you.
Tytaylor77
10-18-2017, 09:26 PM
Could it be Rasthali which I understand is a type similar to Brazilian or manzano?
The bunch does look kinda horizontal.
Thanks for the pics and congrats on the bunch!
skhan
12-15-2017, 11:30 AM
Here an updated picture to how the bunches are doing.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4516/25203381268_ae944094e5.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Ep8Vbm)
The second tree (of the same variety) put out a bunch as well.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4518/38359779304_f87107677e.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/21rHTXf)
Gabe15
12-16-2017, 01:28 PM
They are a type of Pome banana, similar to common ‘Brazilian’. The only other common Pome bananas in the US are ‘Dwarf Brazilian’ and ‘Raja Puri’, but there are many more from India, hard to say exactly which one you may have. It is not ‘Rasthali’ though as that is a Silk subgroup banana, or 'Mysore'/'Pisang Ceylon' which is a different subgroup as well, whereas yours is Pome subgroup.
Do you know where exactly in India it came from?
skhan
12-17-2017, 11:31 AM
I believe both of these came from Kerala.
"Banana 1" is a lot more sturdy. I haven't tasted the fruit yet.
"Banana 2" taste (to my untrained pallet) more like a "apple banana" as it has a decent amount of tart to it.
I got rid of the "banana 2" mat after the hurricane mainly due to it not being sturdy.
Then I realized I was the only source of this since the guy I got it from got rid of it too when reorganizing his yard. (He wants to replant it though)
I managed to track down an alive tossed pup and just planted it.
Hopefully some of "banana 1" fruit is ready in January. If anyone is the neighborhood and wants a pup or wants to try a fruit your more then welcome.
Botanical_Bryce
12-17-2017, 10:55 PM
Now with a better id I will plant it next to my Brazilian for a side by side compare.
skhan
01-04-2018, 10:21 AM
Here a few more pictures from this morning.
I removed the male bud from both hoping to see how fast I can get the fruit.
Then I realize this would adversely affect IDing these...sorry
First Bunch
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4644/39498159311_09382b1fe9.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23bjoEK)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4734/25627929828_c7de8f549d.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F3DQF7)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4684/39467980912_0a8e92bbda.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/238DHFw)
Second Bunch
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4731/25627925328_db6e67392e.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F3DPkw)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4682/39467977172_ca240b63d2.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/238DGz3)
Pups
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4601/27721520709_d373501176.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/JeE3iB)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4601/38601873325_e84af8b7e8.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/21P7G56)
Is there any other types of picture that would help narrow this down?
Ripe or full fruit?
skhan
03-07-2018, 03:45 PM
Update from March.
Picked a banana, tried to ripe it inside but it just turned black instead.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4759/39865770564_15edd7a6e8_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23JNuFN)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4649/26704589888_2029db14be_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GFN1cA)
Still waiting...
Tytaylor77
03-08-2018, 12:24 AM
Looking good! The top bunch is looking very similar to a filled dwarf Brazillian! It will be fun to compare the 2!
On the other #2 variety you said the fruit is tart right? What about when the fruit is over-ripe. Black spots, etc. still a little tart or does it go away!
Hope everything is going great for you! Bunches are looking great!
skhan
04-09-2018, 02:50 PM
Update April
Ripe Fruit!!
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/819/26348975267_0757ab17d8_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/G9non2)
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/881/26348974437_806ce87051_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/G9no7H)
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/801/40507302024_645b2ae451_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24HuvD3)
It might be semi-ripe, I like it like this.
I'll try to let some get some black spots.
The one I tasted more yellow than this had a noticeable difference in texture from the outside to the core
Bunch
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/816/41304287792_fcdee574b5_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25VVgJY)
Tytaylor77
04-12-2018, 06:02 PM
Wow look at the pulp color. For sure not like my Brazilian. They seem fat compared to mine also. Very interesting.
skhan
04-13-2018, 10:05 AM
Tasted a riper fruit.
All yellow with a few black spots.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/813/27559545488_3c95b8aac2_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/HZkSHo)
First off I didn't notice the textural difference i noted before with the "core".
As for flavor:
Less acid than the before (but still very much there)
Only a bit sweeter.
The weird thing is that it had sort of a Rose Water (best i can describe) aroma.
Not strong enough to be off-putting but certainly strong enough to notice. (even by a novice like me)
My wife agreed (she has a better nose for the subtle flavors)
I haven't tasted many different types of bananas so this was a first.
Is this aroma common?
I personally will rather eat it at the yellow/green stage as i don't find rose water appealing.
If anyone is the neighborhood this weekend (Coral Springs), you're more than welcome to try one.
Thanks
Botanical_Bryce
07-07-2018, 10:49 AM
Somehow I missed the rest of this post. I received a sample of each plant. One plant is growing just like my Brazilians and as of right now I can't tell the difference. The other banans plant is still small for me but the plant overall looks just like my mysores. Even has red blush under all the new leaves. The fruit in the picture look different than what I normally get on my mysores. With limited knowledge I think the other plant could be a type of mysore.
zfallon84
08-27-2018, 09:01 PM
The other banans plant is still small for me but the plant overall looks just like my mysores. Even has red blush under all the new leaves.
I just received a "Pisang Raja" (pup/well established TC) from 'Eat your Backyard' here in Jax. It looks almost as long and slender as my Pisang Ceylon, with a red blush half way up the pseudostem. However, my searches have been limited in this cultivar, Instagram posts show that the fruit looks different than what is posted above. The pulp is a very golden-yellow, and is similar in size to Cavendish. Flavor reports on there are also that it is an extremely sweet cultivar.
Sorry about being a month late. I just got the nanner a week ago, and I have been trying to do a lot of research on it. I hope this input helps.
skhan
10-01-2018, 11:57 AM
Attached are some updated pictures of the bananas currently fruiting.
Banana 1:
This is the same patch as the last two times,
Fertilizer sparingly and watered by rain.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1953/44984693562_82251d8742_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2bx9j9S)
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1973/45032676501_ff1db7d091_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2bBoeNV)
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1925/45032675201_e7381b2f23_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2bBoeqv)
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1906/44121422175_75184d2792_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2adRPDr)
banana 2:
I removed this and had second thoughts so I rescued a pup from the heap and planted it in January.
It's in a heavily mulched area with good soil moisture a nutrition.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1910/44984702072_553d22ec6a_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2bx9mFA)
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1903/43221097480_99f4137686_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/28RiqtS)
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1917/30096691647_c2d4ff34c0_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/MRxpSF)
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1965/44313138284_6181ddf095_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2avNqaA)
Also wanted to say thanks to everyone who is working on the IDs.
Special shout out to Bryce and Ty for actually growing them and giving us their input
If anyone wants some pups from either let me know, I'm probably going to make some room for different varieties soon.
FHIA1,2 or 3 perhaps
skhan
11-11-2018, 11:29 PM
Heres a few more pictures.
Banana 1
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4815/45090653264_43d9020534_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2bGvohh)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4807/45765846102_c5594a4bc3_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2cJaVA7)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4904/45815078041_e797e17ae8_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2cNwfwD)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4862/45090646294_789c440710_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2bGvmd7)
Banana 2
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4917/45765854662_f16b1aa3d6_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2cJaY8G)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4833/45765854132_c416268a3e_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2cJaXYy)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4810/31944354438_a52292d903_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/QEPaDG)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4859/44902261215_bd3d85c64c_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2bpRPTv)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4889/30875364617_9646a0b3e0_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/P3mjdH)
I tried leaving everything on to help with IDing (unlike last year).
Also tried to add decent shots of things that can help with the ID
Thanks again.
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