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Richard
01-10-2017, 05:43 PM
Arborescent (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arborescent) is defined as "resembling a tree (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tree) in properties, growth, structure, or appearance".

I guess that begs the question: Does significant height alone qualify a plant to be a tree?

If your answer is yes, then in the tropics nearly every plant is a tree.

If your answer is no, then what other qualifiications (a property, growth, structure, or appearance) would qualify a plant to be a tree?

As a particular example, would a "palm tree" meet these qualifications?

JP
01-10-2017, 06:44 PM
There is absolutely no resemblance between a musa and a tree. As I wrote in another thread, the french dictionnary clearly distinguishes the tree from a plant, a bush or even an herb. To me, arborescent should mean the resemblance of a tree in all it's qualifications. Descriptions in english dictionnaries are often vague and leave to much room for interpretation. They should be re-written to be more precise and accurate. But hey, that's my opinion...

Richard
01-10-2017, 08:22 PM
Descriptions in english dictionnaries are often vague and leave to much room for interpretation.

I don't think there's anything vague about it at all!
:woohoonaner:

JP
01-10-2017, 08:31 PM
Lol! Me neither!

edwmax
01-10-2017, 08:48 PM
I'm not redefining the term 'tree' .... tree: (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tree) b : a shrub or herb of arborescent form <rose trees> <a banana tree> from Merriam-Webster. Height and size is not used to define a tree.

Richard
01-10-2017, 09:20 PM
I'm not redefining the term 'tree'

I know you're not. The discussion is about M-W's definition:

a shrub or herb of arborescent form

in which they further define

Arborescent (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arborescent) is defined as "resembling a tree (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tree) in properties, growth, structure, or appearance".

Now you have stated that

Height and size is not used to define a tree.

So what other qualifications (a property, growth, structure, or appearance) would qualify a plant to be a tree?

As a particular example, would a "palm tree" meet these qualifications?

sputinc7
01-10-2017, 09:50 PM
Wikipedia...

Although "tree" is a term of common parlance, there is no universally recognised precise definition of what a tree is, either botanically or in common language.[2] In its broadest sense, a tree is any plant with the general form of an elongated stem, or trunk, which supports the photosynthetic leaves or branches at some distance above the ground.[3] Trees are also typically defined by height,[4] with smaller plants from 0.5 to 10 m (1.6 to 32.8 ft) being called shrubs,[5] so the minimum height of a tree is only loosely defined.[4] Large herbaceous plants such as papaya and bananas are trees in this broad sense.[2][6]
A commonly applied narrower definition is that a tree has a woody trunk formed by secondary growth, meaning that the trunk thickens each year by growing outwards, in addition to the primary upwards growth from the growing tip.[4][7] Under such a definition, herbaceous plants such as palms, bananas and papayas are not considered trees regardless of their height, growth form or stem girth. Certain monocots may be considered trees under a slightly looser definition;[8] while the Joshua tree, bamboos and palms do not have secondary growth and never produce true wood with growth rings,[9][10] they may produce "pseudo-wood" by lignifying cells formed by primary growth.[11]

sputinc7
01-10-2017, 09:53 PM
That being said, Who cares what someone else calls it? We all know what they mean. Should we make newcomers feel like idiots right away? I still call it a bunch instead of a raceme... Man am I stupid, huh?

CraigSS
01-11-2017, 08:48 AM
You are all wrong. A tree is something a kid can climb and enjoy hanging upside-down yelling at their mother while she has a heart attach fearing they will fall.

edwmax
01-11-2017, 09:55 AM
That being said, Who cares what someone else calls it? We all know what they mean. Should we make newcomers feel like idiots right away? I still call it a bunch instead of a raceme... Man am I stupid, huh?

Exactly!

edwmax
01-11-2017, 09:59 AM
You are all wrong. A tree is something a kid can climb and enjoy hanging upside-down yelling at their mother while she has a heart attach fearing they will fall.


Haha ... I can live with this definition. But I do find it hard to get my little goat (Kid) to climb the 'hat tree' in the hall. ... :nanadrink:

JBijl
01-11-2017, 10:17 AM
tree: a woody, perennial crop with a girth of a minimum of 90 centimetres on 1.3 metres height above the ground level. In case of meerstammigheid, the cross section of the thickest tribe.

Snarkie
01-13-2017, 03:30 PM
The word aborescent clearly defines itself. "Scent" meaning similar, resembling or akin to; much like the Greek word "meta". Therefor, the word "arborescent" definitively means a plant that resembles a tree EG: a Joshua tree or a palm tree, but is not woody or lacks other defining characteristics that silvilculturally define it as a true tree. In the silvicultural world, this is known as a pseudo tree.

Snarkie
01-13-2017, 03:38 PM
[10] they may produce "pseudo-wood"I produce pseudo-wood too. I'm hoping those Test-X 180 Ignite pills I ordered online will fix that though... :2719:

HMelendez
01-13-2017, 04:06 PM
I produce pseudo-wood too. I'm hoping those Test-X 180 Ignite pills I ordered online will fix that though... :2719:


LOL!........

CraigSS
01-13-2017, 08:48 PM
tree: a woody, perennial crop with a girth of a minimum of 90 centimetres on 1.3 metres height above the ground level. In case of meerstammigheid, the cross section of the thickest tribe.

By that definition some of us might qualify as a tree.

beam2050
01-17-2017, 12:22 PM
wow. this conversation to my count involved 3 threads. more fun than a pocket full of crackers. Richard was trying to lead you to it. GROWTH, bananas are comparatively short lived. probably the reason they are not a tree.

JP
01-20-2017, 09:47 PM
I produce pseudo-wood too. I'm hoping those Test-X 180 Ignite pills I ordered online will fix that though... :2719:

Lol! Sometimes beer is the best option...

Snarkie
01-21-2017, 07:58 AM
Lol! Sometimes beer is the best option...Alcohol makes it worse. Started the Test-X again, along with Fenugreek as a supplement, and once a week I take an herbal capsule from the adult store that lasts for three days in and of itself. Got my energy back, started working out again, getting a better night's sleep on less time (5 hours instead of 12), lost 3 pounds the first week, got my book-writing groove back and my cat's been doing chin-ups. Thank you, new girlfriend! :woohoonaner:

cincinnana
01-21-2017, 09:21 PM
Fellas.

I am glad y'all did a tree post

I keep on getting my chain saws stuck.....

Am I cutting the wrong way???:ha:


Am I doing this all wrong..

Should I try more saws .
Is the soil too wet.
Too much n p k?
Youtube says julienne cut!
More cowbell?

Trying to make a good impression on my gf.

First time lumberjack.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/674/31606703354_fe3b8d1b61_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Q9YBKh)
Am I doing this wrong!!! (https://flic.kr/p/Q9YBKh
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by
Hostafarian (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hostafarian/),
on Flickr

beam2050
01-22-2017, 07:20 AM
Fellas.

I am glad y'all did a tree post

I keep on getting my chain saws stuck.....

Am I cutting the wrong way???:ha:


Am I doing this all wrong..

Should I try more saws .
Is the soil too wet.
Too much n p k?
Youtube says julienne cut!
More cowbell?

Trying to make a good impression on my gf.

First time lumberjack.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/674/31606703354_fe3b8d1b61_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Q9YBKh)
Am I doing this wrong!!! (https://flic.kr/p/Q9YBKh
)
by
Hostafarian (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hostafarian/),
on Flickr

key word lumber [jack]. that's proof women should stick with cooking and cleaning.

beam2050
01-22-2017, 07:30 AM
oh. I forgot LOL.

edwmax
01-22-2017, 12:33 PM
The tree is sitting down on the saw. Cuts like that needs to be followed with a wedge to keep the cut open and saw free. You might be able to use a wedge to free the saws.

To cut down the tree, start on the side & direction you want the tree to fall. Make a short cut horizontal; then drop a few inches below cutting up wards to remove a wedge slice. Repeat enlarging the cut until about 1/3 -1/2 the way in, the tree should start leaning slightly. Stop ... move to the opposite side cut in horizontal or I prefer to cut downward angle to meet the other cut at the center. This cut should be getting wider as the tree leans. if the first cut was deep enough. Use a wedge at first to keep the tree from sitting back on the saw.

I'm not a lumber jack, but I have cut down a couple of large pine trees in the yard.

edwmax
01-22-2017, 12:36 PM
But why the heck is that saw vertical? You need to cut the tree down before making fence rails! ...

Snarkie
01-22-2017, 01:49 PM
I always start on the underside, in the direction I want it to fall, by making the upper/downward cut for the wedge first. Then I cut upwards on the bottom until they meet and I can remove the watermelon slice. Then, I start 6" higher on the back to make my hinge cut down on an angle. The only way your saw can get stuck that way, is if there is a lot more weight on the back side. In that instance it can still pinch the saw, so if you are uncertain, drive a wedge behind the saw, then finish the cut.

cincinnana
01-25-2017, 09:47 PM
Compliments of the Emerald Ash Borer.

I lost nine 60-80 year old Ash trees in which seven of them I had to be trimmed back to 30 ft.

Since the yard is a DNR habitat I left the dead trees standing for the thriving diverse woodpecker population plus it saved me a couple clams.

The pics in previous posts with the saws are real....but I will use them(the saws) to start woodpecker holes about 20 feet up in the tree.. Thoughtful eh!!

The birds find these holes, finish them out and will nest in them for years to come.

Locally there is a major loss of habitat for these incredible birds, so every bit helps.



Woodpecker Lives Matter:)

.https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8339/29002766520_218e432230_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/LbSL3C)
Heavy frass from the Asian Emerald Ash Borer (https://flic.kr/p/LbSL3C)
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Hostafarian (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hostafarian/), on Flickr.
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Ash trees in yard (https://flic.kr/p/Rnkz1e)
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Hostafarian (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hostafarian/), on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/325/32402947341_c424d994db_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RnkzkT)
Ash trees in yard (https://flic.kr/p/RnkzkT)
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Hostafarian (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hostafarian/), on Flickr
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Ash trees in yard (https://flic.kr/p/RjFcsU)
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Hostafarian (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hostafarian/), on Flickr

CraigSS
01-26-2017, 08:13 AM
That is so funny.
That is definitely the hardest way to split wood into workable pieces.

beam2050
02-01-2017, 08:56 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=61172&size=1had all my white oaks suddenly die, same with the surrounding neighbors. we started to see wood peckers again. so I am leaving the largest in my yard alone. here is one of 2 red bellied woodpeckers coming to our bird feeder.http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=61171&size=1

CraigSS
02-01-2017, 09:36 AM
We have a male and a female red bellied woodpeckers come to our feeder outside the kitchen window. And we did not have to kill any of the trees around our yard.
Did you figure out what got to the trees?
Don't you have a forestry extension agent in your area? They should be able to help before you cut down and remove all the forensics.

Craig

beam2050
02-01-2017, 09:46 AM
all the white oaks are gone. nothing I could do about it if I wanted to. we still have our black jacks so everything is fine. rather have the black jacks, good cooking wood. I have plenty of trees here anyway, dogwood, live oaks, maples, to name a few. figure to replace the white oaks with nanners.