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crazy banana
06-26-2016, 01:25 PM
As many of you know, our member Richard is enjoying his well deserved retirement and does not continue his fertilizer business.
Him and I have met last month and I have bought all his remaining Fruit Fuel fertilizer (16-8-24).
Not that I am planning on switching over to the fertilizer business, but it would be sad to see this awesome product disappear of the market. I love to use it on all my fruit trees, especially the bananas, with great success.
I am offering it to bananas.org members, charging the same price as Richard used to sell it for ($12 plus flat rate USPS shipping for a #5 bag).
USPS flat rate shipping prices:
(One bag will fit in a padded USPS flat rate envelope which is $6.8, two bags (maximum 3 bags with my ingenuity) will fit in a medium size USPS flat rate shipping box for $13.45). PayPal required.

Edited as of March 25 2017:
USPS rates went up since this post: padded USPS flat rate envelope now $7.2, two bags (maximum 3 bags with my ingenuity) will fit in a medium size USPS flat rate shipping box for $13.60

merce3
06-27-2016, 09:58 AM
Is this the water soluble kind? I forget.

crazy banana
06-27-2016, 11:47 AM
Is this the water soluble kind? I forget.

Yes it is.

Island Brah
07-11-2016, 12:59 PM
As many of you know, our member Richard is enjoying his well deserved retirement and does not continue his fertilizer business.
Him and I have met last month and I have bought all his remaining Fruit Fuel fertilizer (16-8-24).
Not that I am planning on switching over to the fertilizer business, but it would be sad to see this awesome product disappear of the market. I love to use it on all my fruit trees, especially the bananas, with great success.
I am offering it to bananas.org members, charging the same price as Richard used to sell it for ($12 plus flat rate USPS shipping for a #5 bag).
USPS flat rate shipping prices:
One bag will fit in a padded USPS flat rate envelope which is $6.8, two bags (maximum 3 bags with my ingenuity) will fit in a medium size USPS flat rate shipping box for $13.45. PayPal required.

Hey Crazy Banana,

So you're selling 5lbs bags of banana fuel for $12 + $6.80 for shipping($18.80 total)?

I just saw this post but already ordered a 2lb bag from Wellspring Gardens for $19 and change(with shipping). I want to order more for the years to come.

Also, the guy over at Wellspring Gardens also told me that their Banana Fuel is 15-5-30 and you say yours is 16-8-24. Not all Banana Fuel is the same Recipe?

Thanks for your help!

crazy banana
07-11-2016, 03:22 PM
Hey Crazy Banana,

So you're selling 5lbs bags of banana fuel for $12 + $6.80 for shipping($18.80 total)?

I just saw this post but already ordered a 2lb bag from Wellspring Gardens for $19 and change(with shipping). I want to order more for the years to come.

Also, the guy over at Wellspring Gardens also told me that their Banana Fuel is 15-5-30 and you say yours is 16-8-24. Not all Banana Fuel is the same Recipe?

Thanks for your help!

The "Fruit Fuel" formula was developed by our bananas.org expert member Richard and it is 16-8-24 with micronutrients and packaged by the Grow More company. It is phenomenal for bananas and all other fruit trees and does not compare to the product you have mentioned.
The price mentioned above is still current. I have talked to the Grow More Company and if there is enough demand, I am willing to continue Richard's legacy by offering "Fruit Fuel".
Just a little bragging on the side: I had 22 banana plants fruiting for me in 2015, my peach tree gave me more than 500 peaches last month and currently we have an abundance of tomatoes, strawberries and apples in a very small yard.

Island Brah
07-11-2016, 05:05 PM
The "Fruit Fuel" formula was developed by our bananas.org expert member Richard and it is 16-8-24 with micronutrients and packaged by the Grow More company. It is phenomenal for bananas and all other fruit trees and does not compare to the product you have mentioned.
The price mentioned above is still current. I have talked to the Grow More Company and if there is enough demand, I am willing to continue Richard's legacy by offering "Fruit Fuel".
Just a little bragging on the side: I had 22 banana plants fruiting for me in 2015, my peach tree gave me more than 500 peaches last month and currently we have an abundance of tomatoes, strawberries and apples in a very small yard.

Crazy Banana, I would like to try it. I sent you a PM.

So is Wellspring Gardens a knock off of Richard's recipe? Has anyone else used the Banana Fuel from Wellsprings Gardens? The numbers look in the same ballpark so they should be similar(i'm a rookie)?

sputinc7
07-11-2016, 05:40 PM
Most plants are not that picky. I don't know about micronutrients in Wellsprings, but assuming they both have similar amounts, they are otherwise so similar, I doubt it would make a discernible difference which one you used.

Banana lars
11-11-2016, 05:52 PM
Where are you from ? Can you ship to Belgium ?

crazy banana
11-11-2016, 07:18 PM
Where are you from ? Can you ship to Belgium ?

We are in California, USA.
Will have to check into shipping costs for a 5# bag to Belgium and will have to get back to you.

Banana lars
11-11-2016, 07:24 PM
OK thx . Will iT make my musa blue Java able to flower in Belgium ?

crazy banana
11-11-2016, 08:40 PM
OK thx . Will iT make my musa blue Java able to flower in Belgium ?

It sure helps my Blue Java to flower and fruit every year in Southern California (see my avatar photo). :)

mushtaq86
11-12-2016, 02:52 PM
OK thx . Will iT make my musa blue Java able to flower in Belgium ?

You need the climate first.

Mr. K
02-05-2017, 12:26 PM
Just Google 16-8-24 Fertilizer, lots of options. I think for my 1st year to actually take care of my Banana plants, I will try to find some locally. I'll post what I find out about what's available.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Fruit+Fuel+for+Bananas&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=16-8-24+fertilizer

Mr. K

Richard
02-05-2017, 01:32 PM
LOL! The sources below are on Alibaba ... and the suppliers are in China who only sell by the kilo-ton!! Further, you'll need to get an import license just to bring it into the U.S.!!!

Meanwhile, the product crazy-banana has is manufactured by Grow More in Gardena CA. If you really do want it in pallet quantities contact them directly.

Just Google 16-8-24 Fertilizer, lots of options. I think for my 1st year to actually take care of my Banana plants, I will try to find some locally. I'll post what I find out about what's available.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Fruit+Fuel+for+Bananas&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=16-8-24+fertilizer

Mr. K

crazy banana
03-26-2017, 07:49 PM
2017 Update:

Price remains the same for 2017, but USPS shipping cost have been updated:
Edited as of March 25 2017:
USPS rates went up since the original post: padded USPS flat rate envelope now $7.2, two bags (maximum 3 bags with my ingenuity) will fit in a medium size USPS flat rate shipping box for $13.60 :woohoonaner:

CraigSS
03-26-2017, 08:54 PM
are you on now?

crazy banana
03-26-2017, 09:45 PM
are you on now?

Had to leave for freshly baked banana bread.

Nagel75
04-01-2017, 11:19 AM
As many of you know, our member Richard is enjoying his well deserved retirement and does not continue his fertilizer business.
Him and I have met last month and I have bought all his remaining Fruit Fuel fertilizer (16-8-24).
Not that I am planning on switching over to the fertilizer business, but it would be sad to see this awesome product disappear of the market. I love to use it on all my fruit trees, especially the bananas, with great success.
I am offering it to bananas.org members, charging the same price as Richard used to sell it for ($12 plus flat rate USPS shipping for a #5 bag).
USPS flat rate shipping prices:
(One bag will fit in a padded USPS flat rate envelope which is $6.8, two bags (maximum 3 bags with my ingenuity) will fit in a medium size USPS flat rate shipping box for $13.45). PayPal required.

Edited as of March 25 2017:
USPS rates went up since this post: padded USPS flat rate envelope now $7.2, two bags (maximum 3 bags with my ingenuity) will fit in a medium size USPS flat rate shipping box for $13.60

Hello, I am new to this site, but I would love to purchase 2 or 3 bags of the "Grow More" 16-8-24. I live in South Carolina & don't mind paying what ever it is you want for shipping. I don't know what it is about this particular product & formula, but It's amazing & I've used it on all my ornamentals. I've actually had ornamentals that looked sad & sick & this stuff puts the green right back in 'em. Please tell me how I can contact you & purchase some of this wonderful product. Thanks so much, ---Jay

crazy banana
04-01-2017, 11:57 AM
Hello, I am new to this site, but I would love to purchase 2 or 3 bags of the "Grow More" 16-8-24. I live in South Carolina & don't mind paying what ever it is you want for shipping. I don't know what it is about this particular product & formula, but It's amazing & I've used it on all my ornamentals. I've actually had ornamentals that looked sad & sick & this stuff puts the green right back in 'em. Please tell me how I can contact you & purchase some of this wonderful product. Thanks so much, ---Jay

Hello and welcome to bananas.org

I have sent you a PM.
Thank you for the nice comments about the "Fruit Fuel" fertilizer. I have never used it on any ornamentals, but have observed exceptional differences on all my fruit trees and plants.

Orly
04-21-2017, 10:42 PM
As many of you know, our member Richard is enjoying his well deserved retirement and does not continue his fertilizer business.
Him and I have met last month and I have bought all his remaining Fruit Fuel fertilizer (16-8-24).
Not that I am planning on switching over to the fertilizer business, but it would be sad to see this awesome product disappear of the market. I love to use it on all my fruit trees, especially the bananas, with great success.
I am offering it to bananas.org members, charging the same price as Richard used to sell it for ($12 plus flat rate USPS shipping for a #5 bag).
USPS flat rate shipping prices:
(One bag will fit in a padded USPS flat rate envelope which is $6.8, two bags (maximum 3 bags with my ingenuity) will fit in a medium size USPS flat rate shipping box for $13.45). PayPal required.

Edited as of March 25 2017:
USPS rates went up since this post: padded USPS flat rate envelope now $7.2, two bags (maximum 3 bags with my ingenuity) will fit in a medium size USPS flat rate shipping box for $13.60

New member here. Looking forward to trying your Banana Fuel.

PM sent.

crazy banana
04-21-2017, 11:19 PM
New member here. Looking forward to trying your Banana Fuel.

PM sent.

Welcome to bananas.org
PM sent back :)

TangTonic
05-31-2017, 08:43 PM
Hi,

PM sent!

crazy banana
05-31-2017, 09:06 PM
Hi,

PM sent!

PM answered via PM.

jody63
06-04-2017, 02:24 AM
pm sent for 3 bags. :nanadrink:

pikkenix
06-04-2017, 11:37 AM
Shippingcost to Sweden (2 or 3 bags)?

crazy banana
06-04-2017, 02:31 PM
pm sent for 3 bags. :nanadrink:

PM and email sent back.:waving:

crazy banana
06-04-2017, 02:39 PM
Shippingcost to Sweden (2 or 3 bags)?

Hello Daniel,

I would have to look into the detailed required custom forms to mail fertilizer to Sweden, but just to give you an idea:

one #5 bag of fertilizer to Sweden would be $12 plus $32.95 flat rate padded USPS envelope, TOTAL $44.95

two #5 bags of fertilizer to Sweden would be $24 plus medium size USPS flat rate Priority Shipping box $66.50 TOTAL $90.50

three #5 bags of fertilizer to Sweden would be $36 plus medium size USPS flat rate Priority Shipping box $66.50 TOTAL $102.50

Kind regards and welcome to bananas.org.

pikkenix
06-04-2017, 03:43 PM
Thats to much... might get my brother who lives in us to take it with him to sweden though, i'll get back to you via pm if so. Thank you for fast reply!

jody63
06-04-2017, 05:18 PM
PM and email sent back.:waving:

Pm and payment sent. :08:

crazy banana
06-04-2017, 05:33 PM
Pm and payment sent. :08:

Got it, thank you. It is already on the way. PM with USPS tracking number sent.

:0519:

jody63
06-09-2017, 04:56 AM
feedback left.Sorry for being a few days late but i tend to have to travel a lot due to work. All 3 bags were received in perfect condition and i cant wait to see the results this fert brings.

jody :bananas_b

crazy banana
06-09-2017, 08:45 AM
feedback left.Sorry for being a few days late but i tend to have to travel a lot due to work. All 3 bags were received in perfect condition and i cant wait to see the results this fert brings.

jody :bananas_b

Thank you.
I hope you will love the Fruit Fuel fertilizer as much as I do.

pikkenix
06-22-2017, 05:19 PM
Possible to use fruit fuel in hydroponic systems, anyone tried it with good results?

Richard
06-22-2017, 05:53 PM
Possible to use fruit fuel in hydroponic systems, anyone tried it with good results?

Fruit Fuel 16-8-24 contains a significant amount of Urea Nitrogen and thus is recommended only for true soils -- not for hydroponics.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=61921&size=1

jody63
07-14-2017, 11:13 PM
Pm and payment sent and for another 3 bags. My family keep robbing it because it seems to kick most any plant into high gear!

thanks
jody

crazy banana
07-15-2017, 12:34 AM
Pm and payment sent and for another 3 bags. My family keep robbing it because it seems to kick most any plant into high gear!

thanks
jody

Thank you. It will go out tomorrow morning.

And yes, I love it for all my plants. Besides 5 bunches of bananas so far this year, my tomatoes and strawberries have never looked and produced better than this year. Just finished an incredible peach and apricot harvest as well.
Great to hear that other people also have bountiful gardens.:banana_ba:banana_ba:2127::2204::2216::2140:

jody63
07-17-2017, 05:32 PM
Received the package today. Now maybe i can keep some for my plants! Thanks again.:bananas_b

edit..feedback left.

crazy banana
07-17-2017, 08:47 PM
Received the package today. Now maybe i can keep some for my plants! Thanks again.:bananas_b

edit..feedback left.

Thank you for the kind feedback. It is always a pleasure to deal with you.

Happy successful growing!

Lau
07-19-2017, 08:55 PM
I got the fruit fuel today. I should have happy plants soon.

Thanks Susan:nanadrink:

pikkenix
07-25-2017, 04:54 PM
If growing my nanas in pots, should I complement my banana fuel with some Mg and Ca?
I keep reading articles that bananas consume a lot of Ca and also some Mg...

Richard
07-25-2017, 04:58 PM
If growing my nanas in pots, should I complement my banana fuel with some Mg and Ca?
I keep reading articles that bananas consume a lot of Ca and also some Mg...

No, there's already enough in there. Check the label.

crazy banana
07-25-2017, 05:09 PM
If growing my nanas in pots, should I complement my banana fuel with some Mg and Ca?
I keep reading articles that bananas consume a lot of Ca and also some Mg...

What Richard said applies to the Fruit Fuel manufactured by the Grow More company.
Other companies claim to have banana fertilizers (spikes, pelleted) that are not as well balanced than the Fruit Fuel.

pikkenix
07-26-2017, 05:53 AM
No, there's already enough in there. Check the label.

Thanks for replying, no need to be rude though... I've read the lablel, says 0.3% Ca och 0,15% Mg.

According to this article (http://www.haifa-group.com/knowledge_center/crop_guides/banana/fertilization_recommendations/) (and others) frpm Haifa group the uptake by whole plants is (kg/ha):
N: 198 - 339
P2O5: 68 - 114
K2O:734 - 1268
CaO: 165 - 273
MgO: 92 - 155


Their suggestion for fertilization is (kg/ha):

N = 190 (22%)
P2O5 = 91 (10%)
K2O = 454 (52%)
CaO = 67 (8%)
MgO = 76 (9%)

8% and 9% are pretty far from 0,3% and 0,15%... that's why I'm asking. Maybe I'm missing something (this is not at all my expertise). If so, please explain (in a frieldy tone please).

What Richard said applies to the Fruit Fuel manufactured by the Grow More company.
Other companies claim to have banana fertilizers (spikes, pelleted) that are not as well balanced than the Fruit Fuel.

I'm using Fruit Fuel, bought from Richard a few years back. So my question is releated to Fruit fuel.

crazy banana
07-26-2017, 02:35 PM
Thanks for replying, no need to be rude though... I've read the lablel, says 0.3% Ca och 0,15% Mg.

According to this article (http://www.haifa-group.com/knowledge_center/crop_guides/banana/fertilization_recommendations/) (and others) frpm Haifa group the uptake by whole plants is (kg/ha):
N: 198 - 339
P2O5: 68 - 114
K2O:734 - 1268
CaO: 165 - 273
MgO: 92 - 155


Their suggestion for fertilization is (kg/ha):

N = 190 (22%)
P2O5 = 91 (10%)
K2O = 454 (52%)
CaO = 67 (8%)
MgO = 76 (9%)

8% and 9% are pretty far from 0,3% and 0,15%... that's why I'm asking. Maybe I'm missing something (this is not at all my expertise). If so, please explain (in a frieldy tone please).



I'm using Fruit Fuel, bought from Richard a few years back. So my question is releated to Fruit fuel.

Thank you for being a loyal Fruit Fuel user.
And thank you for the clarification as Banana Fuel (this what you were asking in your post #40) manufactured by a different company and Fruit Fuel manufactured by "Grow More" are two different products.

Do you have a concern with the Fruit Fuel? Are your plants not performing well?
This is what to look for:
Magnesium is contained in Chlorophyll and is vital to the green shade of a plant and its capacity to produce nourishment from sunlight. It is needed for sugar development, but it is also needed for the uptake of other nutrient, especially phosphorus. A lack of magnesium would result in mottled yellowing leaves, they may turn dark and die.
It is my understanding that too much magnesium does not directly affect plant production, but it can cause deficiencies in other nutrients like calcium or potassium causing limited fruit production or poor root development.
Calcium is needed for new root development and new suckers. It also assembles cell walls. An insufficiency of calcium can be seen if new leaves emerge deformed or start to shrivel at their tips.

Forgive me, I am just reading your link on my lunch break on a limited sized phone screen, but Table 25 shows Calcium percentage range 0.4% to 1.0%,
Magnesium percentage rate 0.2% to 0.36%. Both are close to the 0.3% Calcium and 0.15% Magnesium in the Fruit Fuel.
I have seen the Haifa studies before and they are referring to field grown commercial banana plantations under (almost) ideal growing conditions and not to growing "a" plant in a pot or plants I grow as a hobby gardener in a marginal climate.

Having said that, I highly recommend any gardener to do a soil analysis to take the guess work out of the game.
If you look at Table 23 of your link, it shows some significant differences in soil analysis between the Caribbean, Costa Rica, Martinique and Australia.

Richard
07-26-2017, 03:30 PM
Thanks for replying, no need to be rude though...

No intention of being rude. Your statement implied that neither were present in Fruit Fuel.

According to this article (http://www.haifa-group.com/knowledge_center/crop_guides/banana/fertilization_recommendations/)

They are discussing initial soil ppm over a one year period using granular minerals. Their calculations also include leaching of minerals by rainfall in tropical banana growing regions.

Fruit Fuel is a water-soluble concentrate designed to feed the roots of plants grown in true soils on a monthly or bi-monthly basis. The quantities of fertilizer to achieve the same results is therefore different than granular minerals.

pikkenix
07-26-2017, 03:56 PM
Do you have a concern with the Fruit Fuel? Are your plants not performing well?

Having some problems with some of my bananas yes. Trying to eliminate some causes... My problems should be discussed in another thread and not contamination this one though.

No intention of being rude. Your statement implied that neither were present in Fruit Fuel.

A misunderstanding from my side, sorry. Probably my slumbering (since high school) english ;-)


Fruit Fuel is a water-soluble concentrate designed to feed the roots of plants grown in true soils on a monthly or bi-monthly basis. The quantities of fertilizer to achieve the same results is therefore different than granular minerals.

Great answer! Thank you. Then I don't have to worry about Ca and Mg.

aruzinsky
07-28-2017, 10:56 AM
If growing my nanas in pots, should I complement my banana fuel with some Mg and Ca?
I keep reading articles that bananas consume a lot of Ca and also some Mg...

According to the label that Richard posted, you should "complement" with both Ca and S because 0.30% Ca and 0.16% S are grossly insufficient.

According to http://www.aensiweb.com/old/jasr/jasr/2006/470-476.pdf, S content should be 20% that of N, which for banana fuel would translate to 0.2*16 = 3.2%.

According to http://m.haifa-group.com/files/Guides/Banana.pdf, Ca content should be about 33% that of N which would translate to 0.33*16 = 5.3%.

For sulfur, you can add magnesium sulfate but you should not add calcium salts because it will form a precipitate of relatively insoluble calcium sulfate and calcium phosphate. Better to alternate fertilization with a calcium nitrate solution because then, at least, the precipitate will form within the soil near the plant roots.

aruzinsky
07-29-2017, 09:23 AM
Fruit Fuel is a water-soluble concentrate designed to feed the roots of plants grown in true soils on a monthly or bi-monthly basis..

According to the book, Agricultural Chemistry (MirPublishers, Moscow), ionic phosphates are immobile in soil, especially clay soil, and, when applied to the soil surface, remain near the surface until the soil is tilled under.

However, urea phosphate may penetrate soil because it is covalently bonded. To my knowledge, the only commercial fertilizer that contains urea phosphate as its only source of phosphorus is Peters Excel® 15-5-15 Cal-Mag Special. See

http://cdn.greenhousemegastore.com/downloads/pdf/msds-1515.pdf

Although made for container plants, I have outstanding results on ground plantings using this product.

Richard
08-17-2017, 11:37 PM
Mr. Aruzinsky (whose posts I ignore) should take up his issues with Dr. Ruehr.

http://www.bananas.org/f9/fruit-gardener-article-soil-nutrients-fruit-5743.html

Ripsaw
08-18-2017, 07:15 AM
Just an update on using the fuel. Good product! Banana plants have started looking better and bigger.

I put some on some potted bananas, and they perked up. I even tried some on a few potted dragon fruit and they went nuts! Better than the cactus food I was using. One dragon fruit stem I had just rooted, about one foot in length shot up to 8 feet in 3 months in the small pot and is a monster with mutliple stems. Don't know of it was the banana fuel but I am thinking so. It is a great product.

I will order more in the future.

crazy banana
08-18-2017, 11:06 AM
Just an update on using the fuel. Good product! Banana plants have started looking better and bigger.

I put some on some potted bananas, and they perked up. I even tried some on a few potted dragon fruit and they went nuts! Better than the cactus food I was using. One dragon fruit stem I had just rooted, about one foot in length shot up to 8 feet in 3 months in the small pot and is a monster with mutliple stems. Don't know of it was the banana fuel but I am thinking so. It is a great product.

I will order more in the future.

That is good to hear that you have such success with the Fruit Fuel. I too use it not just for my banana plants but also on my pineapple and Dragon fruit plants. First flowers and fruits ever this year on my Dragon Fruit.

Ripsaw
08-18-2017, 11:36 AM
That is good to hear that you have such success with the Fruit Fuel. I too use it not just for my banana plants but also on my pineapple and Dragon fruit plants. First flowers and fruits ever this year on my Dragon Fruit.

Congrats on the dragon fruit. Beautiful flowers, but short lived. The fruit is best and sweetest if ripened on the plant. Enjoy!

My first dragon fruited within a few months and it was in a pot. That was a few years ago. I have a few stems that fell off in the shrubs and a few others in pots. Preparing for a fall transplant to an area where I have cleared and removed a large tree. Same with new bananas.

There is a farm stand on Pine Island where the dragons are climbing high into the oak trees and they harvest quite a few fruits from them. One of my favorite fruits to grow.

The only problems I have had are the squirrels, raccoons, and opossums go after the mangoes and the dragon fruit so I have to be quick when they are ripe. Also the mangrove rats show up once in a while. All try to have parties at night. :ha:

aruzinsky
08-19-2017, 09:07 AM
Mr. Aruzinsky (whose posts I ignore) should take up his issues with Dr. Ruehr.

http://www.bananas.org/f9/fruit-gardener-article-soil-nutrients-fruit-5743.html

I don't care about Dr. Ruehr. It is immoral to resolve objective issues by taking a opinion poll. The objective issue is the form of P in fertilizer solution that is applied to the top of the soil and not the P already at the root zone. It is a stupid mistake to formulate soluble fertilizers for application to soil surfaces using conventional P compounds because conventional P compounds remain near the soil surface until tilled under.

Here is more literature about the mobility of phosphorus compounds within the soil:

Use of Phosphorous Fertilizers in Pressurized | Maher Saleh - Academia.edu (http://www.academia.edu/1525714/Use_of_Phosphorous_Fertilizers_in_Pressurized)

Note:

"Using conventional P sources in sprinkler systems, P did not penetrate more than 4 to 6 cm from the surface of a sandy loam soil (Lauer, 1988). With drip systems and such P sources, movement was limited to a few cm vertically – and even less laterally – from the emitter point (Ryan et al., 1988a; O’Neill et al., 1979;Bar Yosef and Sheikloslami, 1976). Again, mobility increased with lighter texture and the amount of P applied. However, substantial increases in mobility were recorded with less conventional P fertilizers. Thus, it is of interest to consider properties of various fertilizers in relation to precipitation /mobility. ...

Urea Phosphate

The study of Ryan et al. (1988a) showed higher water-soluble and NaHCO3
–soluble P after addition of acid fertilizers such as urea-phosphate (UP) compared toTSP, but noted the greater lateral and depth-wise movement of P within a heavy clay soil than with H3PO4 or conventional materials. Other studies with up showed much greater mobility in the soil than TSP and, as a consequence, greater fertilizing efficiency for tomato (Mikkelsen and Jarrell, 1987) and lettuce (Chase, 1985). In the latter case, P movement downwards was 12 cm and 10 cm laterally – all encompassing the crop root zone"

CraigSS
09-19-2017, 10:26 PM
Anke,
Just wanted to say I am so happy with the fertilizer. Not only used it on the Banana plants but also on my tomatoes and Peppers. They are going nuts.

Thanks,
Craig

crazy banana
09-19-2017, 10:58 PM
Anke,
Just wanted to say I am so happy with the fertilizer. Not only used it on the Banana plants but also on my tomatoes and Peppers. They are going nuts.

Thanks,
Craig

Thank you for the great feedback.
Feedback like this from actual users of the Fruit Fuel mean a lot more than hypothetical studies.
Keep up the good work.

CraigSS
09-19-2017, 11:25 PM
I don't care about Dr. Ruehr. It is immoral to resolve objective issues by taking a opinion poll. The objective issue is the form of P in fertilizer solution that is applied to the top of the soil and not the P already at the root zone. It is a stupid mistake to formulate soluble fertilizers for application to soil surfaces using conventional P compounds because conventional P compounds remain near the soil surface until tilled under.

Here is more literature about the mobility of phosphorus compounds within the soil:

Use of Phosphorous Fertilizers in Pressurized | Maher Saleh - Academia.edu (http://www.academia.edu/1525714/Use_of_Phosphorous_Fertilizers_in_Pressurized)

Note:

"Using conventional P sources in sprinkler systems, P did not penetrate more than 4 to 6 cm from the surface of a sandy loam soil (Lauer, 1988). With drip systems and such P sources, movement was limited to a few cm vertically – and even less laterally – from the emitter point (Ryan et al., 1988a; O’Neill et al., 1979;Bar Yosef and Sheikloslami, 1976). Again, mobility increased with lighter texture and the amount of P applied. However, substantial increases in mobility were recorded with less conventional P fertilizers. Thus, it is of interest to consider properties of various fertilizers in relation to precipitation /mobility. ...

Urea Phosphate

The study of Ryan et al. (1988a) showed higher water-soluble and NaHCO3
–soluble P after addition of acid fertilizers such as urea-phosphate (UP) compared toTSP, but noted the greater lateral and depth-wise movement of P within a heavy clay soil than with H3PO4 or conventional materials. Other studies with up showed much greater mobility in the soil than TSP and, as a consequence, greater fertilizing efficiency for tomato (Mikkelsen and Jarrell, 1987) and lettuce (Chase, 1985). In the latter case, P movement downwards was 12 cm and 10 cm laterally – all encompassing the crop root zone"

Calm down, seems like every-once-in-awhile you go on a tirade. Life is too short to get so upset.

Richard
09-20-2017, 01:11 AM
Mr. Aruzinsky:
You have referenced a non-peer-reviewed article from an M.A. student in Egypt studying with a professor in Syria. Certainly the penetration of phosphates is an issue in alkaline soils but you are missing the point when it comes to fruiting plants. A minimal amount of available phosphate is necessary in proportion to potash. As far as plant metabolisms are concerned, the availability of Nitrogen to Potash should be 2 to 3. This is why Fruit Fuel is formulated in NPK ratios of 2:1:3 with pH balances suited to most soils. There are many peer-reviewed papers supporting this formulation -- in fact I contacted several of the authors when I designed this formula. Check the minor- and micro-nutrients in the Guaranteed Analysis -- you'll see what I'm talking about.

aruzinsky
09-20-2017, 10:07 AM
Mr. Aruzinsky:
You have referenced a non-peer-reviewed article from an M.A. student in Egypt studying with a professor in Syria.

Regardless, the immobility of conventional phosphates in soil has been alleged by many authors.

Certainly the penetration of phosphates is an issue in alkaline soils but you are missing the point when it comes to fruiting plants.

No, I am not missing the point because I never took issue with your 2:1:3 formulation. You are missing the point because 2:1:3 is not the ratio in the soil at the root zone because the phosphates in your fertilizer stay near the surface of the soil. It's a simple concept. For example, it would be relevant for you to reference a paper in a peer reviewed journal that said that conventional phosphates were mobile in non-alkaline clay soils. Otherwise, I suggest that you should stop pontificating on irrelevancies.

Incidentally, to whomever else it may concern, the immobility of phosphates in Richard's fertilizer has an easy workaround. Pour the solution into the planting hole before planting.

aruzinsky
09-20-2017, 10:14 AM
Calm down, seems like every-once-in-awhile you go on a tirade. Life is too short to get so upset.

That looks like an emotional outburst to me. At least, my tirades are informative.