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sputinc7
05-29-2016, 06:09 PM
I know it's difficult to ID at this age, but I have looked at other sweetheart plants, mostly larger than this, but they don't have the red PS or midrib. Anybody care to guess? Maybe someone who has sweetheart could verify one way or the other. please.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=59843&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59843&ppuser=22903)

blue java ice cream
05-29-2016, 06:25 PM
I have a sweetheart that's around 8 feet tall right now. Mine doesn't have any red on the mid ribs nor the psuedostem. May I ask your source? That may help in identifying what it may be.


By the way, I see that you're fairly close to me. If you ever need any pups or have any questions just let me know. I currently have goldfinger, brazilian, ice cream, namwa, double mahoi, sweetheart, mona lisa, pisang raja, raja puri, veinte cohol, mysore, manzano, kandarian, and sh-3640.

Botanical_Bryce
05-29-2016, 07:06 PM
Blue Java, where are you located. Id be very interested.

Worm_Farmer
05-29-2016, 07:54 PM
WOW! I Live in Palm Bay also!
Maybe we should do a Palm Bay Bananas.org meet and greet.

blue java ice cream
05-29-2016, 08:05 PM
Blue Java, where are you located. Id be very interested.

I live in Port Saint Lucie, about an hour south of Melbourne.

Mark Dragt
05-29-2016, 08:23 PM
WOW! I Live in Palm Bay also!
Maybe we should do a Palm Bay Bananas.org meet and greet.

Man that sounds like fun! I live about 3000 miles away and am still thinking about joining that party. Have fun guys!
:woohoonaner:

sputinc7
05-29-2016, 08:28 PM
Before I fill up more of my yard space, I am looking to taste a few varieties first. It seems to me to be a good idea. I have not tried many different types and don't know what I like.
I am a little ticked about this one also being wrong as the original ice cream I was supposed to get from Green Earth Publishing turned out to be wrong, possibly even a plantain, and the Manzano I got from him last year turned out to be a Brazilian (Which is actually ok.) But even the two replacements for the plantain he sent as Blue Java turned out to be Namwah. (Big surprise, and most likely ok, too.) Now another unknown banana / plantain. Do NOT buy from Green Earth Publishing if you do not like mystery plants. Those mystery plants will be well developed and healthy, just not what you wanted.
Ones I think I want (From your list) are Veinte Cohol, Mysore and possibly 3640... I hear that one is pretty good. I tend to like less acidic and more banana-ey flavor but Brazilian acidity wasn't bad. Store bought Manzano is a bit more than I prefer.
I like the idea of that meet n greet... And thank you for the offer of help. I may just use it someday.

Kat2
05-29-2016, 11:19 PM
Heck, I'm up in the northern end of Brevard but I do like to party. Well, I did long ago and, now that I'm older and not much wiser, I'm testing those waters again. Seriously, we need to do a meet and greet. Once upon a time I helped set up mid Atlantic gardenweb swaps. During my tenure our group got booted from parks throughout MD and VA. Apparently 60+ people descending on a park carrying many potted plants along with a side dish for 6 or more made the fuzz nervous.

Tytaylor77
05-29-2016, 11:33 PM
Just put my sweetheart in the ground about a week ago and it doesn't have that coloring either. I will try to post a picture tomorrow.

sputinc7
05-30-2016, 07:52 AM
Thanks everybody. Does anyone have any ideas about what it IS?

nph
05-30-2016, 07:17 PM
To me it looks like a classic Dwarf Nam Wah. Great banana with great taste but from a plant/growth point of view I truly love my Sweethearts!

nph
05-30-2016, 07:21 PM
i have tried Orinoco, Cavendish, Mona Lisa, Kandan, Brazilian, Cavendish, SH3618,m Goldfinger, FHIA 18 etc.

With my soil and climate (Dallas, TX) I have realized that Dwarf Namwah is the best followed by Sweetheart and then Brazilian and Kandan are ok, Mona Lisa struggles and Cavendish is a total loss. Viente Cohol hasn't made it at all, even I tried twice in a row.
Have tried some FHIA 1, Gold Finger, SH3640 and FHIA 18 but they are struggling compared to Brazilian, DN and Sweetheart.

Richard
05-31-2016, 01:04 AM
I know it's difficult to ID at this age, but I have looked at other sweetheart plants, mostly larger than this, but they don't have the red PS or midrib. Anybody care to guess? ...

If it is Sweetheart then the fruit will be insipidly sweet.

sputinc7
06-02-2016, 05:31 PM
Another angle. Note the purple PS...

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=59886&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59886&ppuser=22903)

sputinc7
06-13-2016, 05:28 PM
Now the bottom of the newest leaf is somewhat red or purple, the same color as the PS, it is unfurling, so I don't know if it will stay or not... I remember reading about a banana type with red on the underside of the leaves. I tried a search to no avail.

......................Help!!.......................

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sputinc7
06-13-2016, 05:46 PM
I already have what are very likely Namwah plants. Much lighter red / pink on the Pstems, and pink midribs. This plant in this thrread has a port wine color PS.
Here are a few pics of the suspected Namwah plants....

Taken today, 6/13/16...

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=59935&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59935&ppuser=22903)

This one is from 5/19...

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=59770&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59770&ppuser=22903)

blue java ice cream
06-13-2016, 06:07 PM
That may possibly be a mysore. A lot of my mysore pups have a lot of red on the psuedostem when they are young.

sputinc7
06-13-2016, 08:39 PM
Mysore would probably be ok. Many people say it is their favorite or at least in their top 5. I just hope it's not a plantain. Not such a big fan of them. I will eat a few if they are freshly cooked, but I would have to give away most if I had 50 lb of them.

Tytaylor77
06-13-2016, 08:48 PM
I already have what are very likely Namwah plants. Much lighter red / pink on the Pstems, and pink midribs. This plant in this thrread has a port wine color PS.
Here are a few pics of the suspected Namwah plants....

Taken today, 6/13/16...

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=59935&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59935&ppuser=22903)

This one is from 5/19...

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=59770&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59770&ppuser=22903)


Top look like my tall Namwa. Time will tell how tall they get. I have 1 at 15'+. They grow great for me. Keep us updated how tall they get.

The "not a sweetheart" could be a red Iholene? Have no clue, just a guess biased on the pink Pstem and red under leaf.

sputinc7
06-13-2016, 11:23 PM
I just looked at a few photos of the red Iholene and I don't think so... They don't have the dark burgundy PS, and mine has only begun with some red coloring under the leaves on the latest leaf.I am looking at this pup.. They seem to be all red leaf bottoms from a young age which fades with age. Cool looking when they flower, though...

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18363&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18363&ppuser=5)

sputinc7
06-30-2016, 10:15 AM
After reading all the varieties Green Earth Publishing has to offer, assuming they are actually what they are supposed to be, I have looked up photos of younger plants of those varieties which could be this one based on the written descriptions provided. I am concluding with about 75% accuracy that this must be a dwarf red. It is the best guess I can come up with. They have a lot of red in their Pstems, and so does this one. Leaves are a darker green than your average banana. It's simply the closest match based on what they sell compared to what I have. Here is a recent pic from today.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=60068&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=60068&ppuser=22903)

It also seems to have more of a dwarf growth pattern compared to my Brazilian and what I am 90% sure to be Namwah, which unfortunately are not dwarf specimens. (Gonna need a bigger stepladder.)

venturabananas
07-02-2016, 10:56 AM
...based on the written descriptions provided. I am concluding with about 75% accuracy that this must be a dwarf red.

I agree with Dwarf Red.

sputinc7
10-28-2016, 10:54 PM
When I went to visit Nick in Pahokee a while back, he had a Dwarf red, and I can say with 90-95% accuracy this is the same plant, very distinctive growth pattern and coloring.

HMelendez
10-29-2016, 08:45 AM
When I went to visit Nick in Pahokee a while back, he had a Dwarf red, and I can say with 90-95% accuracy this is the same plant, very distinctive growth pattern and coloring.


Steven,


Here is a picture of my Puerto Rican Morado banana from last year when it was a juvenile plant!....Same Red family classification variety as the Dwarf Red!....Hopefully it helps!....

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58174 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58685)

sputinc7
10-29-2016, 02:04 PM
It looks very similar. Leaf shape and petiole and PS color, even the leaves have a peculiar shade of green to them. One difference I see, though... Mine has a red midrib to the leaf throughout, and yours seems to go from red on the petioles to a pale green further up the leaf.
Even the leaf "droop" on the lower leaves.. whether well watered or not, they do it much more than my Brazilians or Namwah or any of my other bananas.....