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mskitty38583
03-14-2008, 02:08 PM
ok you all know im a tree freak. if you didnt, you know now. mining of trees bothers me if they are not replaced with more trees. we have ancient forest of trees that can not be redily replanted, some of this is due to slow growth or slow reproduction of certian trees species. this is something that was sent to me by greenpeace( yes i visit their site often) im not saying that everything they do is right, but a lot of what they do is right. i just thought id post this just for those tree freaks like me, to let you know what is going on in the wonderful world that we live in. and i quote,


"Every time you blow your nose with Kleenex tissue, you're blowing away an ancient forest. And every time you buy Scott or Cottonelle at the store, you're flushing old growth trees down the toilet.
Most of the pulp Kimberly-Clark uses for its disposable tissue products comes from unsustainable sources. This includes wood from ancient forests like the Canadian Boreal Forest.
As the biggest tissue manufacturer on the planet, Kimberly-Clark has the resources to shift toward sustainability but it is refusing to use recycled paper in its products. Instead, the largest stretch of ancient forest in North America is being clearcut for disposable paper products."


i dont know about yall but this really makes me angry.

CookieCows
03-14-2008, 02:35 PM
Kitty I haven't read up on it lately but I grew up in Southern Oregon and I understand that this is a tough issue. Most of my friends either worked in the lumber or plywood mills or were tree fallers ... there wasn't any way to live there and not know someone who's livelihood depended upon the lumber industry. It's a hard call ... yes there are better ways to do things and large corporations are tough guys to take on. I have a friend that works for an engineering company there and I'm amazed when she tells me about companies that they are designing for in that they are using very inovative ways to be more earth friendly. That makes me feel good to know that things are changing for the better and we have to remember that with small things great things can be done. There are more little people in the world than large corporations so hopefully we can all be as green as we're able and these companies will still be able to deliver their product, but in a different way so all my friends won't be out of work! LOL

Plant a tree! Best idea yet!

Richard
03-14-2008, 03:07 PM
In the 1980's and 1990's, tropical hardwoods were inexpensive. This is because governments were selling out native lands to paper companies who mowed down provinces to plant ... fast growing trees for paper pulp.

chong
03-14-2008, 06:57 PM
In the 1980's and 1990's, tropical hardwoods were inexpensive. This is because governments were selling out native lands to paper companies who mowed down provinces to plant ... fast growing trees for paper pulp.

That's what I learned about source of wood for the paper industry, too, that most of them come from fast growing new growth trees, not older trees. In my 10 acres in Hartstene Island, WA, over the years, several companies have offered to buy the small growth timber therein. When I asked what good were they except for firewood, they said it would be used for the manufacture of paper.

CookieCows
03-14-2008, 07:56 PM
This all brings to memory the old growth forest/spotted owl era. Alot of hard feelings on both sides on that one. It's sad when two sides can't figure out a solution to benifit all.

chong
03-14-2008, 08:38 PM
The old growth trees and spotted owl controversy was centered on the lumber and housing industry. The problem that I saw was that prior to that there was almost indiscriminate logging of the old growth because of oversees demand and the higher prices they could get from there. Instead of just logging the mountains bare, they could have just picked the biggest in each area, and left the smaller trees to grow some more, while at the same time replanting the bare spots.

I don't think that had anything to do with tissue paper, though.

CookieCows
03-14-2008, 10:24 PM
No it didn't have anything to do with tissue paper, you're absolutely right.

The subject of cutting old growth timber in Canada sparked a memory of the battle that was waged in Oregon when I lived there regarding the logging in old growth forests. I got a little off topic!

bikoro child
03-15-2008, 01:00 AM
Hello, I am very pleased that there are American people aware of the precariousness of the future of the planet ... Here in France in recent years there is a way for the garden furniture in exotic wood and the danger for the rainforest is high because some seek profits at any cost ...

chong
03-15-2008, 02:33 PM
No it didn't have anything to do with tissue paper, you're absolutely right.

The subject of cutting old growth timber in Canada sparked a memory of the battle that was waged in Oregon when I lived there regarding the logging in old growth forests. I got a little off topic!

No, Miss Deb, you were exactly ON-topic. Here was the original quote from Mskitty's post:
"Every time you blow your nose with Kleenex tissue, you're blowing away an ancient forest. And every time you buy Scott or Cottonelle at the store, you're flushing old growth trees down the toilet.
Most of the pulp Kimberly-Clark uses for its disposable tissue products comes from unsustainable sources. This includes wood from ancient forests like the Canadian Boreal Forest.
As the biggest tissue manufacturer on the planet, Kimberly-Clark has the resources to shift toward sustainability but it is refusing to use recycled paper in its products. Instead, the largest stretch of ancient forest in North America is being clearcut for disposable paper products."

When you brought up the issues in OR and WA, the harvesting of the old growth trees then, as I pointed out, was for the lumber and housing construction, not for paper as the quotation above alleges. This is not to minimize the problem of over harvesting our old growth trees. Rather, to point out that clearcutting of trees for paper products are not from old growth forests. Pound for pound, wood product companies will get more money from selling wood as lumber than as paper products. So, the harvesting of larger trees is mostly for the housing and furniture market. What is a pity is that you see trailer after trailer loads of timber, being hauled along I-5, no more that a foot in diameter. They are harvesting them too soon.

I realize that are many companies out there that may not be using recycled materials. But by and large, I personally think that most companies do.