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simon_c
02-29-2008, 08:26 AM
Hi all,

I was browsing through the Gardenweb forum and found these pictures of some bananas on display at a floral show in Thailand. The pictures are not mine so I won't take credit for it. But since we are all banana addicts, so I thought I'd share it with you guys. I would like to know what type of banana is the one in the picture that looks blue in color.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8389&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8389)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8388&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8388)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8387&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8387)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8386&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8386)
-Simon

sandy0225
02-29-2008, 08:50 AM
That is so awesome! I'm so jealous of the number of varieties represented there fully developed like it's no big deal.
Wow!

the flying dutchman
02-29-2008, 09:22 AM
It is probably 'Burmese Blue' a seeded banana.

Musa Burmese Blue - Bananas Wiki (http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Burmese_Blue)

Ron

island cassie
02-29-2008, 09:36 AM
Simon - those pictures are amazing - what a lineup!!

Cassie

natedogg1026
02-29-2008, 12:45 PM
Wow!:2223::2223:

cactus6103
02-29-2008, 02:27 PM
Very cool photos. Thanks for sharing. Red

mm4birds
02-29-2008, 02:50 PM
great pictures. :05:

dablo93
02-29-2008, 04:45 PM
what are those white bananas in the first pic!! they are GREAT:D
and in the 3rd pic, what a HUGE bunche of bananas , WOW

Whatever
02-29-2008, 08:29 PM
Wow great pictures. I didn't know there where white bananas.

Tropicallvr
02-29-2008, 08:45 PM
I like those blue/white ones too, I bet it's wax that makes them look like that.

simon_c
03-01-2008, 09:08 AM
Ron says that it might be the Burmese Blue Banana, which is a seeded variety, but somehow I seem to think otherwise because the picture in the banana wiki shows a purple colored banana.
The 3rd picture is what is known as the Thousand finger banana. The second one is quite famous which I think most of you know, The Praying Hands Banana.

bigdog
03-14-2008, 11:54 PM
Those are pretty cool, but I can tell you that they are most definitely NOT 'Burmese Blue'. 'Burmese Blue' bananas are a bright purpleish-blue color when fully ripe, and not as big as those whitish ones.

Could they be 'Ice Cream'?

bikoro child
03-15-2008, 12:03 AM
Yeeaaah!:flouenaner::flouenaner::flouenaner:Amazing bananas!!!
I tried to find the translation here:
M.M.P.N.D. - Sorting plant names - Thai index (http://www.plantnames.unimelb.edu.au/Sorting/Thai_index_general.html#P)
But the characters are very difficult to recognize ...Maybe that Musa Chiliocarpa? I do'nt know what it is...

simon_c
03-15-2008, 12:17 AM
I googled the Musa Chiliocarpa and it turns out as The Thousand Finger Banana. You got one right. :-)

momoese
03-15-2008, 09:16 AM
Those are pretty cool, but I can tell you that they are most definitely NOT 'Burmese Blue'. 'Burmese Blue' bananas are a bright purpleish-blue color when fully ripe, and not as big as those whitish ones.

Could they be 'Ice Cream'?

Perhaps they are Burmese Blues that are not ripe? They don't look like any IC's I've seen. Although if you look at the picture where they are hiding behind the Thousand Fingers and out of the direct flash they do look more like Ice Cream so maybe the close flash turned them whiter than they really are?

bigdog
03-15-2008, 09:27 AM
Perhaps they are Burmese Blues that are not ripe? They don't look like any IC's I've seen. Although if you look at the picture where they are hiding behind the Thousand Fingers and out of the direct flash they do look more like Ice Cream so maybe the close flash turned them whiter than they really are?

I don't think so. The bunch size and fruit size is much larger on that banana than 'Burmese Blue'. 'Burmese Blue' has smaller fruits, different shaped fruits, a skinnier rachis, different color, and smaller bunch size than those beauties. I was just guessing when I said 'Ice Cream'. I don't really have much knowledge about the fruits of that one. Sure would be nice if someone from Thailand could translate for us!!

musa_monkey
03-15-2008, 10:50 AM
fantastic pictures thanks for sharing them :banana_pi

Gabe15
03-15-2008, 01:28 PM
Those bluish ones are 'Ice Cream' or another very similar member of the 'Ney Mannan' group, it likely goes under a completely different name in Thailand though.

newflemmli
03-15-2008, 02:29 PM
the uni index vienna says "Musa Namwah var. INARUFUFU" is the only plant wizh white fruits.
http://www.samen-und-pflanzen.de/Musa_x_paradisiaca_'Inarufufu'_2003_06_26_23h45.jpg

momoese
03-15-2008, 03:45 PM
the uni index vienna says "Musa Namwah var. INARUFUFU" is the only plant wizh white fruits.
http://www.samen-und-pflanzen.de/Musa_x_paradisiaca_'Inarufufu'_2003_06_26_23h45.jpg

Good find!:2761:

A Google search for Musa Namwah var. INARUFUFU led me to this French page with this:
http://www.tropicaflore.com/boutique/enter.html?lang=fr&target=d177.html

Musa sp. Ice Cream (Inarufufu en Kirundi) (Pot de 10 litres)
Musaceae

Type de plante : Bananiers vivriers. Nom commun : Bananier à fruits comestibles. Origine : Afrique (Burundi). Description : Très beau bananier vivrier (aux fruits comestibles). Grand développement pouvant être limité par la taille du pot. Belles feuilles très longues, bleu-vert avec un faux tronc vert pâle recouvert d'une pruine blanchâtre. En provenance du Burundi, ses fruits sont très sucrés et parfumés. Issus de gros régimes, ses bananes de couleur crème bleuté argenté sont consommées comme désert, en frites sucrées, grillées ou en sauce. Lieu de culture : Véranda ou serre tempérée (environ 10°C). Culture quelque fois possible en pleine terre dans les régions les plus chaudes (Côte d'Azur par exemple),. Température minimale de conservation généralement observée : 10 °C. Exemple de substrat à utiliser : 30% de terreau horticole du commerce, 20 % de fumier très décomposé type OR BRUN, 20% de sable de rivière (0 à 4 mm), 10% de perlite, 20% de terre de jardin fine.. Arrosage durant la saison hivernale : Sol humide : arroser lorsque le substrat est sec sur un centimètre en surface. Arrosage durant la saison estivale : Sol mouillé : arroser de façon à ce que le substrat soit toujours humide. Exposition recommandée : Pleine lumiere sans soleil direct. Hauteur à la livraison : 80/200cm suivant la saison. Hauteur adulte suivant le type de culture [bac ou pleine terre] : 2 m / 6 m.

Information importante : Durant l'automne et l'hiver, nous coupons l'encombrant feuillage des grands bananiers à 1 mètre du sol afin qu'ils puissent voyager par transporteur sans encombre.


Here is the English translation:
Musa sp. Ice Cream (Inarufufu in Kirundi) (Pot of 10 liters) Musaceae Zoom Type of plant: Food banana trees. Common noun: Banana tree with edible fruits. Origin: Africa (Burundi). Description: Very beautiful food banana tree (with the edible fruits). Great development which can be limited by the size of the pot. Beautiful very long sheets, blue-green with a false pale green trunk covered with a bloom blanchâtre. Coming from Burundi, its fruits are very sweetened and scented. Resulting from large modes, its bananas of cream-coloured color bluish silver plated are consumed like desert, out of sweetened chips, roasted or out of sauce. Place of culture: Veranda or moderate greenhouse (approximately 10°C). Culture some possible time in open ground in the hottest areas (Riviera for example). minimal Temperature of conservation generally observed: 10 °C. Example of substrate to be used: 30% of horticultural compost of the trade, 20 % of standard very broken up manure BUT BROWN, stream sand 20% (0 to 4 mm), 10% of pearlite, fine ground 20% of garden. Watering during the winter season: Wet ground: to sprinkle when the substrate is dry on one centimetre on the surface. Watering during the estival season: Wet ground: to sprinkle so that the substrate is always wet. Exposure recommended: Full light without direct sun. Height with the delivery: 80/200cm according to the season. Adult height according to the type of culture [ vat or open ground ]: 2 m/6 m.

Important information: During the autumn and the winter, we cross encumbering it foliage of the large banana trees to 1 meter of the ground so that they can travel by conveyor without encumbers.

I'm think about printing a blown up picture of the sign and taking it to some of the local Thai restaurants until someone can translate what it says!

mskitty38583
03-15-2008, 04:58 PM
white nanas, that is so wild. i love it. are they avaliable in the u.s.?

newflemmli
03-15-2008, 05:11 PM
the thai collector just wasn't able to translate the specia into good latin words.

It is NOT Ice Cream!!!!!
So they French seller is wrong too.

Ice Cream seems to come from Texas and not from Thailand.

Musa Namwah var. INARUFUFU
ist the right name.

Ice Cream plants and fruits are different! --> I love them.

momoese
03-15-2008, 05:32 PM
I posted the picture to a Thai language message board so maybe someone can translate it.

momoese
03-16-2008, 01:54 AM
Here is the reply from the Thai language message board. #2 is the white/blue banana. #4 is interesting as well! The question marks are Thai letters/symbols that this board apparently doesn't support?


"interesting set of bananas you have there. these bananas aren't commonly found in thailand.
from left to right.
1.?????????? (gluai nom mii) - rice noodle banana (can also translate as bear milk banana).
2.(the one you were interested in) ???????????????????? (gluai nam waa nuan jan) - small cultivated banana, light-coloured.
3. ???????? (gluai naak) - metallic-coloured banana.
4. ??????????????? (gluai pa-maa heek kuk) - (strange name here) burmese escaped from jail banana.
i hope this is helpful.
simon."

newflemmli
03-16-2008, 04:18 AM
gluai nam waa nuan jan --> latin: Musa Namwah var. I.

modenacart
03-16-2008, 10:50 AM
gluai nam waa nuan jan = Gauy Namwah?

Gabe15
03-16-2008, 06:03 PM
white nanas, that is so wild. i love it. are they avaliable in the u.s.?

Yes, they are what we call 'Ice Cream' (there are many different names for the same cultivars around the world), which is a commonly available variety. For any variety, there are generally many different forms that vary from place to place, but they are essentially all the same or very similar.

Richard
03-16-2008, 07:48 PM
gluai nam waa nuan jan = Gauy Namwah?

Namwa is a namesake and former region of Burma. The Thai name Kluay Namwa is phonetically quite old and thought to mean Banana from Burma. The name "gluai nam waa nuan jan" might refer to one of many sports of this banana. In Thai, "nuan" means "blessed". It has also happened that banana plants were imported from Burma to India, and then later to Thailand where the Thai people adopted the Hindu name for the banana in their own language. So just to make it interesting, the name "Kluay Namwa Hom" might refer to a very fragrant sport of the original Kluay Namwa, or a very different fragrant banana from Burma. Researchers use genotype + phenotype analysis to try and sort this out. In the meantime, you can be assured they are yummy bananas!

:woohoonaner:

STEELVIPER
03-16-2008, 08:01 PM
Ice cream or blue java is what they are. The flesh is white. the peel is a light blue. Or has a slight blue hue to it. Its called ice cream because of the vanilla ice cream taste. And they do taste like vanilla ice cream. Very good.Like gabe said the ones in the pic are a variety of blue java.Different region, slightly different color and or taste, but all the same.

microfarmer
03-16-2008, 10:51 PM
(snip) Could they be 'Ice Cream'?

I'm with you BigDog!

I can't wait 'til mine blooms! It is starting to leafout for spring unharmed! I love the white on the plant. It shows especially white under flourescent light (from my security light) at nighttime, and could explain the extreme white in the pic, from the effects of the light flash at photo time. I imagine the waxy coating reflects the flash and not the skin underneath.
:banana_az

bikoro child
03-17-2008, 11:13 AM
today Iwas searching on the net some informations about a musa Muzuga and i was redirected on a site selling bananas ..Thay have a white banana ,they call Musa X Parasidiaca Inarufufu...Do you know something about it?
Pflanzenversand Hans- Günter Röpke (http://www.samen-und-pflanzen.de/index.htm?http://www.samen-und-pflanzen.de/xaranshop_k005s001_1.htm)
On this site you can find some heating sytems very useful for germinating too...

Dean W.
05-01-2008, 03:35 PM
Excellent pictures! :D

Dean

MediaHound
07-09-2008, 09:16 AM
Bump for the new members to enjoy!

Bananaman88
07-09-2008, 11:38 AM
Those are awesome pictures! Nice variety! I'd have to have a change of shorts if I ever came across something like that!!!

musaboru
05-30-2009, 10:43 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/2j26ln4.jpg
Here's a close up of Kluay Namwah Nuan Jan. This is a variety of Namwah (there are many variations of Namwah there).

Bob
05-31-2009, 07:11 AM
Those are awesome pictures! Nice variety! I'd have to have a change of shorts if I ever came across something like that!!!

Just did:eek:

sunfish
02-05-2010, 04:45 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=28045&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=28045)

This is the fruit of what I have as Ice Cream. Never got any blue coloring on mine

mango_kush
02-06-2010, 07:44 PM
Musa Blue Java (Ice Cream) - Bananas Wiki (http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Ice_Cream_%28Blue_Java%29)

doesnt look like musa Blue Java (ice cream)


i wonder why those white bananas were never brought over into the states, they look good.

curriedrice
02-08-2010, 06:39 PM
Great picture! Now if only there was a way to create the "living in a hot house" feel of Thailand.

DaveE
02-09-2010, 01:06 PM
Thanks for posting those, I can tell I am going to end up with way too many bananas.

Dave