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simona
01-31-2008, 04:54 PM
Hello,
I´m looking for information about Musa Dwarf Nino.
Does anybody know from personal experience at which height Musa Dwarf Nino fruits in container. What`s the maximum height of this plant?
Does it fruit readily? Did anybody get it to fruit yet?
I would be glad to get any information possible.
Thank you
simona from Germany::2182:
Lagniappe
03-08-2008, 09:50 PM
I would like to know more about this one too .
I have two very small ones .
Anyone?
natedogg1026
03-08-2008, 11:20 PM
DESCRIPTION:
This exceptional sweet, thin skinned baby banana produces a fruit about 3-4 inches long. It is a light-green plant that grows rapidly. (001) (010) One of the most highly esteemed bananas around the world for its exquisite taste and texture. The plant itself is also quite desirable from an ornamental standpoint with its narrow leaves which are a beautiful and unusual shade of green, and the black coloration in the trunk and leaf sheathes. The plant is also less vigorous than most other varieties needing optimal siting and exceptional care to produce the small bunch of tiny (3-inch) but delicious banana. (007) One of the world's most popular local bananas that has remained outside the international marketplace because of low productivity and poor shipping qualities. It is very sweet, with tiny hands of petite fruit born on a fragile slender plant. Best grown in part shade or morning sun. Tender. (009) One of the most highly esteemed bananas around the world for its exquisite taste and texture. The plant is very ornamental black speckled on the trunk and leaf sheaths. (063) [A] fairly slender plant that produces small heads of fruit of excellent quality. The pseudostem is heavily marked with tan and brown mottling and the leaves have an unusual fluorescent green color. It has moderate wind tolerance. (032) [G]rows tall and produces one of the sweetest ladyfinger bananas. Fruit is 2 to 3 inches long, thin skinned and plump. Stock should be harvested green because bananas are prone to splitting. The plant has slender leaves of a bright, almost glowing green color. [D]rought sensitive and does not produce large heads of fruit. (056) (FROM HONEY Description) One of the world's most popular local bananas that has remained outside the international marketplace because of low productivity and poor shipping qualities. It is very sweet, with tiny hands of petite fruit born on a fragile slender plant. Best grown in part shade or morning sun. (009) [A]s it's name suggests, is a very sweet banana; it has small fruit, thin skin, yellowy flesh, and small bunches (up to 28 lbs). Planting to harvest is about 11 months under subtropical conditions. Unfortuneately, this cultivar is not well adapted to cooler temperatures. Not recommended. (058) Is "Pisang Mas" the same as "Mas" ??? {V} What about "Datil" from Puerto Rico ??? {V}
TYPE:
GENETICS: AA (009) (028)
HEIGHT: 6-8' (009), 8-10' (001) (010), 10-12 (032)
DISEASE:
HIGHLIGHTS: Very sweet fruit Encanto Farms
NANAMAN
03-09-2008, 12:11 AM
Nino, will fruit at about 6' in a container . In my S.Fl. climate, in the ground, it took about 10mos. to fruit at a height of 8-9'. I don't know how it will respond to your conditions, but here it is a vigorous plant.
simona
04-05-2008, 01:18 PM
Thank you very much. Your answer was very informative.
Do you think Logee`s Dwarf Ladyfinger could be a Dwarf Nino, if you compare the Photos to your Dwarf Nino.
NANAMAN
04-05-2008, 01:36 PM
Thank you very much. Your answer was very informative.
Do you think Logee`s Dwarf Ladyfinger could be a Dwarf Nino, if you compare the Photos to your Dwarf Nino.
The D.Nino is definitely not the same plant as the Logee's. Just finished a Nino fruit,what a great tasting banana!
simona
04-06-2008, 04:14 AM
What a pity, because dwarf nino would have been available in Germany.
Nevertheless thank you very much for your quick reply.
simona
shopgirl2
04-07-2008, 08:43 AM
Once a person has tasted a Nino banana, will never forget the taste. They are also called datile (dates) banana, because of their delicious sweet taste.
Loved them as a child and still do. They are delicious when fried in batter and also in an omelet for breakfast.
mskitty38583
04-07-2008, 08:45 AM
i was watching diners,drive ins and dives the other night and they did an omlette with a nana, i thought it was interesting. ive never had one with a nana before. sounds yummy.
harveyc
04-08-2008, 01:02 PM
The D.Nino is definitely not the same plant as the Logee's. Just finished a Nino fruit,what a great tasting banana!
Brian, why do you say that? Do you have both? I'm just curious because I remember someone posted last year that Agristart's description for Dwarf Nino was the same as Logee's Dwarf Ladyfinger.
chong
04-08-2008, 02:06 PM
Brian, why do you say that? Do you have both? I'm just curious because I remember someone posted last year that Agristart's description for Dwarf Nino was the same as Logee's Dwarf Ladyfinger.
Yeah. That was me. And I still maintain that they are the same plant. Especially, with similar colorations, growing habits, fruit description, and interestingly, the flattening of the trunk when they are young making them look like the Traveler's Palm. Jarred posted a picture of his young Lady Finger that had a flattening at the base of the leaf petioles, and I thought I was looking at a picture of my own D. Niņos. Unfortuantely, I'll have to wait another couple of years to show what my 2 Dwarf Niņos would look like, because they are reduced to baby corms from being in a cold green house. Next winter, I'll put them in a much warmer section.
Loggee's must be buying all the Dwarf Niņos from Agristarts because I haven't seen them available for a long time.
NANAMAN
04-10-2008, 08:53 AM
Brian, why do you say that? Do you have both? I'm just curious because I remember someone posted last year that Agristart's description for Dwarf Nino was the same as Logee'se Dwarf Ladyfinger.
Yes, I do have both, and have fruited both plants. They are not the same! You don't have to look too close to see the difference. The Loges's fruits at 3' in the ground, or potted, and the fruit are longer, and not as fat as the Nino. Next time I get home,I'll try to remember to post pictures of both plants!
Greenie
04-12-2008, 10:05 PM
I have the Nino and have see the Logee's in person.In my opinion ,They are different.
Lagniappe
04-12-2008, 10:21 PM
Is there a great deal of difference between the Nino and D. Nino ?
For instance,the fruit are crazy different with Orinoco and it's dwarf counterpart. Is size the only real difference with this one? tia
Lagniappe
07-22-2008, 11:45 PM
I gotta tell you guys that this is my favorite plant right now !
Mine is just over 6' to the tip of the tallest leaf with just under 3' of p-stem and it looks like a spiral staircase (double spiral staircase I guess) or some sort of giant round drillbit. Beautiful !
I can't wait to get a bloom .
I have pics but can't post em' right now...destroyed my laptop and I'm workin with a dino-puter .
Lagniappe
05-03-2009, 05:04 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17047&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17047&ppuser=766)
saltydad
05-03-2009, 05:40 PM
i was watching diners,drive ins and dives the other night and they did an omlette with a nana, i thought it was interesting. ive never had one with a nana before. sounds yummy.
Derail- Isn't that a great show? I just love it. Only problem is I usually watch the DVR recordings late at night after I get Mom to bed, and then I raid the kitchen after watching. And then I wonder where my belly comes from. Duh! LOL
chong
05-03-2009, 06:06 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17047&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17047&ppuser=766)
A picture is worth a thousand words! Thanks. I miss mine.
hatfam
05-03-2009, 06:45 PM
Anyone know where to purchase a dwarf nino. I did a google search and came up empty.
Thanks
Tom
Bananaman88
05-04-2009, 12:47 PM
Great pic, Pete! I'm saving a spot in my landscape!
Caloosamusa
05-04-2009, 02:04 PM
Try Going Bananas dot com, I think Don carries them. :2239:
Lagniappe
05-04-2009, 02:14 PM
Try Going Bananas dot com, I think Don carries them. :2239:
I didn't see any on their list.
chong
05-04-2009, 03:20 PM
Try Going Bananas dot com, I think Don carries them. :2239:
I didn't see any on their list.
Going Bananas has the regular Niņo. According to their description, it grows to about 8' - 10' tall.
Lagniappe
05-10-2009, 04:21 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17217&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17217)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17216&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17216)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17215&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17215)
Bad news, perhaps? The inflorescence on my D.Niņo looks to be upright. I wonder if it is temporary, or if this is another plant altogether.
The first hand is visible now.
Notice the sodium toxicity on the leaves? This plant is very sensitive to salts. If I use any fertilizers or tap water the leaf edges will brown. Only when using rain water or r.o. will the leaves remain green (My tap water has very high sodium levels because the Sparta aquifer levels have dropped and salts are becoming more concentrated.)
Bananaman88
05-12-2009, 09:20 AM
Nice pics, Pete. I think the bud will drop over soon.
Caloosamusa
05-12-2009, 12:06 PM
The Nino is a Dwarf Banana. This diploid was used as a prodginator in the FHIA lines. Often when TC'd it does not reach full "normal" height. :2239:
Lagniappe
05-12-2009, 12:50 PM
The Nino is a Dwarf Banana. This diploid was used as a prodginator in the FHIA lines. Often when TC'd it does not reach full "normal" height. :2239:
Are you referring to Niņo or Dwarf Niņo?
This is the description of the latter and mine very nearly conformed to these parameters:
Mature Height: 4-5'
Type: Dessert
Hardiness: Zone 8-10
This rapid grower is great in containers, where it will quickly grow to a height of about 4 to 5 feet. (In the ground, it can reach 10 feet.)
***The Niņo, on the other hand, is said to grow to 18' .***
Caloosamusa
05-12-2009, 03:23 PM
What is your source?
The papers I've read and people I've talked to state this cultivar grows 8 to 10 feet, in Florida. Mine are not that big yet. This cultivar is also known as Pisang Mas.
I am familiar also with the work done by Matsumoto, Caldas, and Yamamoto in their published "Response of banana dwarf somoclonal variants to benzylaminopurine" infoMusa Vol 15 no 1 & 2 June - December 2006.
These short forms may be the result of somoclonal variance resulting from tissue culturing.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they were probably the same cultivar, but now as a result of tissue culturing there may be a significant difference. :2239:
Lagniappe
05-12-2009, 04:17 PM
I've not researched this cultivar via any papers for several reasons. Firstly, I get bored easily and second, I have been able to find only scant information on the matter(though under the circumstances, I've become intrigued and shall do so forthright). Furthermore, I've found what I needed to know on Agri-starts and Encanto farms and very few other sites. Most have pointed back to Agristarts description. There are a few sites with different descriptions of Niņo , but this was never my concern as I am only dealing with the dwarf. If this in fact how the dwarf came to be, it seems to be fixed and I will recognize it as being a separate entity from its predecessors. That is, until one of you are kind enough to point an unlearned hobbiest such as myself in the right direction.
This being said, I thank you for sharing this information (as I said, it is very tough to find) and hope to see some links to reports / papers. I would love to learn more about this, my favorite plant.
I've been searching for images of the Pisang Mas/ Niņo flowers with no luck. Could any of you post some to this thread?
Here are the latest images of my plants flowers to compare:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17235&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17235&ppuser=766)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17237&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17237&ppuser=766)
Gabe15
05-12-2009, 05:35 PM
It looks very stunted to me. I can try to find some photos later of a healthy inflorescence.
Lagniappe
05-12-2009, 06:57 PM
Thanks,Gabe.
I thought as much but had nothing to compare it to.
chong
05-13-2009, 12:05 AM
It looks very stunted to me. I can try to find some photos later of a healthy inflorescence.
I've PM'd Pete before about this plant, and if I remember correctly, this plant came from Agristarts. If that is so, then it should follow that the plant will be small because that's how Agristarts describe this plant (4'-5' in pots, 8'-10' in the ground). There are Niņos that are being sold as growing as much as 12 ft., but they don't call them dwarf.
I stated earlier that the name "Niņo", as used to call the mini banana from South America, is merely the translation of the word "Baby" into English, and not necessarily the Niņo Banana variety. In fact in the following article(referred to previously here) they report that Chiquita calls their "Baby Banana", "Mini Banana", and further reports that it is the Pisang Mas variety. In season . . . baby bananas | www.azstarnet.com ÂŽ (http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/106621)
Here are photos of Pisang Mas inflorescence and fruit:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17246&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17246&ppuser=567)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17247&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17247&ppuser=567)
The above pictures are a little confusing because although both photos were under the caption "Pisang Mas", looking at the bunch with blossom, the hands are further apart than the one without the blossom. Either way, neither plant look very tall.
Fresh picked fruit:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17248&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17248&ppuser=567)
Same hand - one week later:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17245&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17245&ppuser=567)
Caloosamusa
05-13-2009, 10:10 AM
Thank you Lagniappe and Chong!
Nino, my Child, not Baby in Spanish,(I cannot add the ~ above the second n) is a recent addition to my collection, and not from a TC source.
When I can I will get pictures of the parent plant.
Thank you Chong for the confirming information. :2239:
Lagniappe
05-13-2009, 10:37 AM
And 'Pisang Mas' is a Spanish medical term for 'Enlarged Prostate'. :ha:
Sorry guys, I've been holding that one in (no pun)for some time .
john_ny
05-13-2009, 12:51 PM
Caloosamusa (and anyone else that's interested): To get ņ, while holding down the Alt key, press, on the KEY PAD (at the right side of the keyboard) the numbers 0241.
Caloosamusa
05-13-2009, 01:15 PM
Lagniappe, that is a great one!!!
Thank you John, I'm still looking for the keypad at the far right of the Keyboard (There is not one on mine) but I will figure out the variation that does. Thank you again. :2239:
Lagniappe
05-13-2009, 01:51 PM
Caloosamusa (and anyone else that's interested): To get ņ, while holding down the Alt key, press, on the KEY PAD (at the right side of the keyboard) the numbers 0241.
You can also use 164
chong
05-13-2009, 03:04 PM
Thank you Lagniappe and Chong!
Nino, my Child, not Baby in Spanish,(I cannot add the ~ above the second n) is a recent addition to my collection, and not from a TC source.
When I can I will get pictures of the parent plant.
Thank you Chong for the confirming information. :2239:
I guess niņo is different where you are, because strictly speaking niņo is the Spanish word for little/young "boy", and niņa for little/young "girl". "El Niņo", for example, is an esteemed name, we Catholics call the "Baby Jesus". My experience has been that references to a baby boy or girl, the words "niņo or niņa" are used. For "my child", we use "mi hijo" or "mi hija". And strictly speaking, "baby" in Spanish is "infante". However, I personally have not heard or even read that word used in anything but data reports to document births. I would hardly expect that "platano infante" can be used to describe a small banana fruit, but I can imagine it used to refer to a baby (young) banana plant.
John posted one way to type in "ņ", but here are a couple of other ways: for lower case - press Alt+164, then release; for upper case press Alt+165, or Alt+0209, then release. If you want to know what the shortcut key is to another accented letter in Word, just click the Insert tab then Symbol, then when the Insert window appears and you've found the symbol that you want, when you click that symbol, a note at the bottom of that window will tell you what the shortcut key(s) is(are) for that symbol.
Is you Niņo the regular Niņo, not dwarf? Who was your source for them? Looking forward to your photos!
chong
05-13-2009, 03:07 PM
Lagniappe, that is a great one!!!
Thank you John, I'm still looking for the keypad at the far right of the Keyboard (There is not one on mine) but I will figure out the variation that does. Thank you again. :2239:
I think John is referring to the numeric pad on the right hand side of the keyboard. You don't have to use it, you can choose to use the numeral keys above the alphabet keys.
john_ny
05-13-2009, 03:55 PM
Thank you John, I'm still looking for the keypad at the far right of the Keyboard (There is not one on mine) but I will figure out the variation that does. Thank you again. :2239:
Sorry, I thought every keyboard had it. Below, is what it looks like. I know that the numbers in the top row don't work. Pete is right. The number he gave works, also. I also noticed that, when you do this, you should have the Num Lock turned on.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17318&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17318&ppuser=826)
john_ny
05-13-2009, 04:04 PM
Chong- I didn't mean to contradict you, but, on my keyboard, when I try to use numbers in the top row for this, I get that sound that says you're hitting the wrong key
Caloosamusa
05-13-2009, 07:01 PM
None of these methods are working, to get the Ene.
Chong I do not know if mine is a "dwarf" when compared to other Ninos. They were gifts from my inlaws relatives. Possibly this summer I may get down to Puerto Rico and see the parent plant and take a picture or two. :2239:
Lagniappe
05-14-2009, 11:20 PM
I got one hand of six fingers and it went straight into male flowers. :2141:
I need to re-evaluate my container culture methods.
chong
05-15-2009, 01:49 AM
I got one hand of six fingers and it went straight into male flowers. :2141:
I need to re-evaluate my container culture methods.
Hold the train, Pete! The fruits are supposed to be small, you know. Got some pictures?
Bananaman88
05-15-2009, 06:20 AM
Pete, which had do you have six fingers on? The left or the right? Sorry, buddy! I couldn't help it! :)
Lagniappe
05-29-2009, 10:08 PM
Pete, which had do you have six fingers on? The left or the right? Sorry, buddy! I couldn't help it! :)
on both feet!
Lagniappe
05-29-2009, 10:11 PM
Six fingers was the total count. I decided to put this one in the ground to try for more pups/ better growth. I chopped the fruiting p-stem off right after this pic. That's my Fig/pineapple guava/pomegranate orchard in the background. The bricks are there to protect the smaller poms.
The bloom was at chest level. I decided to do some serious synthetic (gasp) fertilizing with this one.
I have several pups earmarked to ship but need to figure out this weird condition first. It only occurs in older leaves and only when I use our tap water which is high in sodium. The thing is, it starts out with a ring pattern that resembles a fungus and never shows up when I use rain water.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17878&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17878&ppuser=766)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=17879&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17879&ppuser=766)
Bananaman88
05-29-2009, 10:14 PM
Pete, you are one ruthless dude! (For whacking the flowering stem)
musaboru
05-29-2009, 10:45 PM
Wow, Pete!
Some of the posts here say Nino is Pisang Mas. So Nino=Pisang Mas=Kluay Khai? And possibly the same as Logee's Lady Finger?
harveyc
05-29-2009, 10:50 PM
No YouTube video???
Good luck on pups!
Lagniappe
05-30-2009, 01:36 AM
No YouTube video???
Good luck on pups!
My crew's on strike. Tomorrow, perhaps.
Chironex
05-30-2009, 02:48 AM
The Nino is a Dwarf Banana. This diploid was used as a prodginator in the FHIA lines. Often when TC'd it does not reach full "normal" height. :2239:
I would like to explore that, but my Dwarf Nino corm has yet to put out a leaf. I just keep it in the pot and hope that it will show some life soon. Then I will TC it.
harveyc
05-30-2009, 09:37 AM
Wow, Pete!
Some of the posts here say Nino is Pisang Mas. So Nino=Pisang Mas=Kluay Khai? And possibly the same as Logee's Lady Finger?
Dar, there has been some speculation about this in the past but NANAMAN has brown both Logee's Dwarf Ladyfinger and Ņino and said in the past they definitely are not the same. Based on some comments here, Ņino is a larger plant than Dwarf Ladyfinger. Even Pete's stunted plant grown in a pot is larger than the fruiting Dwarf Ladyfinger which NANAMAN posted previously.
Harvey
musaboru
05-30-2009, 05:25 PM
Dar, there has been some speculation about this in the past but NANAMAN has brown both Logee's Dwarf Ladyfinger and Ņino and said in the past they definitely are not the same. Based on some comments here, Ņino is a larger plant than Dwarf Ladyfinger. Even Pete's stunted plant grown in a pot is larger than the fruiting Dwarf Ladyfinger which NANAMAN posted previously.
Harvey
Thanks for the info!
Ok, after looking at the Logee's Dwarf Lady Finger threads, it made me go place an order for one from Logee's. This is like the perfect banana for me, well almost. Anything that can fruit like that in a pot is really good for me since I have limited space. :woohoonaner: Hope its not the same as Kluay Khai though, since I already have one.
harveyc
05-30-2009, 05:29 PM
Good luck, Dar! Mine isn't looking to good right now, though I hope it recovers now that I re-potted it in new soil. I don't really think I had fertilized it very much, but I did noticed that the root system wasn't huge so maybe I had given it too much for its size.
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