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linkinpark15
01-31-2008, 09:40 AM
hi!
new to this, iam 13 years old and live in sweden.
now planted my 5 seeds. I 2 planted directly in the soil mix and 3 i had soaked in water in 1 day. now i have a normal spotlight lamp shining at the small pots. and i have like a plastic "fake" greenhouse with a transparent overside.
going to get pictures soon.
how long will it approxmently take to see some seedlings?

EDIT: iam going to thailand this summer in june 18 - july 13(13!!) nad i was wondering if anybody have been there and have seen some seeds there. iam going to bangkok, phuket and ao nang, krabi. so if anyone knows where to shop seeds there say it.

/S3B8E

Randy4ut
01-31-2008, 10:11 AM
Welcome aboard, Linkinpark15... Sounds like you have a GREAT summer trip ahead of you. Wish I could offer ideas of where to shop for seeds. Be sure to get many pictures to share with us when you return home...
As far as the M. velutina seeds go, wish there was a definitive answer to give you. Hopefully you have read through some of the post that was started this past fall on Velutina germination "trials". I personally have not had that much trouble getting them to germinate by simply placing the seeds in a 4" pot and putting the pot in a large baggie to retain moisture. Lenght of time varies greatly from a month or so, to over a year. Best of luck to you and be sure to let us know how they do for you...

D_&_T
01-31-2008, 12:01 PM
hello and good luck growing, we good a bout a 60% germination rate on our trail of seeds

bigdog
01-31-2008, 06:31 PM
Hey, I'll be in Thailand the same time that you are! I'm taking the trip with the university (UT Knoxville). We get there on June 3 and stay through the 23rd or somewhere around there. We'll be in Bangkok and areas around there. I really wanted to go to the north part of the country to Chiang Mai, but that's not on the itinerary. I know nothing about the area either, except that I can't wait to see it!

linkinpark15
02-01-2008, 01:33 AM
It's my 4th time going there.
It's such a beatiful country.
Pictures coming soon of my "setup".
Maybe monday.

mskitty38583
02-01-2008, 01:46 AM
hello linkinpark! i know what kind of music you listen to. i like them also. welcome to the forum. :08::2223::dreadlocksnaner:

linkinpark15
02-01-2008, 06:55 AM
here a some pics

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7625/dsc00046lo6.th.jpg

another one:
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/204/dsc00045cs6.th.jpg

the flying dutchman
02-01-2008, 09:42 AM
Hi and welcome, you can upload pictures in your own album on this site.

Just choose 'Photo Gallery' on the top left of the screen. Under that will
appear the button 'My Albums'.
You can upload pictures there withour reducing the size first. Also you can
create more albums of your own there.

Ron

linkinpark15
02-04-2008, 03:09 AM
I think I going to order some more seeds.
But if I put the seeds in water with 25-30C temprature, 2 in 2 days and 1 in 3 days.
Will it go faster then if they're in water.
Will it take like one month too see something?
I can put the seeds longer in water if it goes faster.
I have thing that keeps the temprature in the water stable( A thing that you have in aquarium).
So whats your advice?
Then I am going to plant 2 seeds directly in the soil.
You can see my "setup" further down on this page.

/S3B8E

Lodewijkp
02-04-2008, 08:05 AM
all i can say is that banana seeds wil not germinate guaranteed, it can take from a month to a year or longer, i got experience with alot of palms and eucalyptus species + other exotics, banana seeds are still the hardest sometimes nothing wil germinate even the viable seeds and sometimes they wil geminate by the hundreds.

all i know is that velutina needs a 3 day soak on( 30 C )and a temperature regime
about 12 hours 35 C' and 10 hours 25 is the most succesfull.
i also heared that a moist fluctation is also succesfull.


the only advice i can give is that you must buy alot of seeds to get a good germination % buy 100 or more seeds and if you got a aquarium put the seeds in there under bright light at a warm temp.

if you get sick of it and they haven't germinated after a few months or a year or so don't discard them , i heared alot of stories that hundreds of seeds germinated after 2 years. just neglect them for a while and buy other seeds like palm seeds that wil germinate after a short time it wil keep the fun of growing plant out of seeds.

there are no seeds that wil germinate after two weeks , it's just pure luck if that happen. Almost everyone says ensete ventricosum is the easiest and fastest species to germinate, wel i have them almost for 6 months now stored at a moist spot at 32 C'. the only way you wil have succes is to have fresh seeds.
i buyed 1000 trachycarpus fortunei seeds ( chusan palm) at a dealer and all looked fresh but after i opened the seeds they look old, well it was two years ago and none germinated at 22 C' in two years . this year i got 10 fresh seeds from a friend and they germinated in 10 days.

if you pay alot attention to banana seeds it is a waste of time just put em in a good spot and moist em a few times.

if you buy seeds from a species look at the native habitat of that species and simulate it by means of moisture and temperature

linkinpark15
02-05-2008, 04:31 AM
I have ordered 100 musa velutina seeds from eBay today. The seller was from europe and he had 100% positive feedback. Hope the seeds will work. My grandma is getting 50 seeds from me. I have a sort of heatmat. It warms but at like 35-40 C. It's that ok? I usually don't have it on.

EDIT: If I use HB-101, will they grow faster then?

Lodewijkp
02-05-2008, 11:56 AM
40 C can kill the seeds, 35 C is the maximum.

HB 101 won't let your plants grow faster however it contains alot of minerals and its a good product to --COMBINE with other products, but still if i were you i wouldn't waste my money on it.

it has not enough Nitrogen which bananas like, i recommend a good balanced grain fertilizer with the numbers 14-14-14 or 16-16-16 its cheap and effective.
just supplement your banana plants with minerals in powder form its also cheap.
a friend of me also uses alot of poducts like HB 101 but his plants in his garden are not bigger or better and certainly not faster growing.

linkinpark15
02-06-2008, 03:11 AM
Ok.
I am going to "scarified" some seeds I have ordered.
Some of the "scarified" seeds I am going to put in water for 72 hours.
And the others is going to a 3 day soak.
And some just plant directly.

Lodewijkp
02-06-2008, 08:56 AM
untreatened seeds ( seeds without scarification etc ) have a better or the same germination rate, Scarification wil increase the risk of fungal attack.

Tropicallvr
02-06-2008, 09:25 AM
Hey, I'll be in Thailand the same time that you are! I'm taking the trip with the university (UT Knoxville). We get there on June 3 and stay through the 23rd or somewhere around there. We'll be in Bangkok and areas around there. I really wanted to go to the north part of the country to Chiang Mai, but that's not on the itinerary. I know nothing about the area either, except that I can't wait to see it!

I hear the plant market in Bangkok is the best in the world for tropical plants. Maybe you guys will find the next "Siam Ruby"(new crazy looking naner) being sold there at some stall.
Here's a cool video of a bangkok market(with train)- YouTube - Bangkok Train Unbelievable Crazy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE6bArtDe94)
Sorry for hijacking this thread.

dablo93
02-06-2008, 09:33 AM
wow Kyle thats an amazing video!
thanks for sharing :D

linkinpark15
02-06-2008, 09:59 AM
My friend showed me that video.
It would suit for a James Bond movie!

51st state
02-06-2008, 07:20 PM
Ok.
I am going to "scarified" some seeds I have ordered.
Some of the "scarified" seeds I am going to put in water for 72 hours.
And the others is going to a 3 day soak.
And some just plant directly.

scarifying is a bad plan, I tried both ways last year and scarification in Musa in my experience and in various studies and other postings doesn't help. It will just encourance fungal growth and rotting.

mskitty38583
02-07-2008, 12:19 AM
on the risk of hi-jacking this thread...i think its more suited to indiana jones then to james bond. lol

MediaHound
02-07-2008, 10:22 AM
xE6bArtDe94
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linkinpark15
02-08-2008, 07:29 AM
So when i soak the seeds, what temprature is the best to have on the water?
I am going to soak them for 3-5 days. Or if the are soaked longer will it go faster?
I am also going to try scarification on some seeds.
Which way is the fastest and the best? ( Without fertilizer)

EDIT: I have a sort of heatmat that is on maybe 20-30 C.

D_&_T
02-08-2008, 09:12 AM
We used water at room temperature, then potted and set on top of our electric clothes drier. May need to cover with plastic baggie to help hold moisture in.

linkinpark15
02-10-2008, 06:39 AM
I am thinking of buying one of these:

HYDROPONICS, Hydrofarm HOT HOUSE with 10 x 20 Heat Mat - eBay (item 330209837977 end time Feb-11-08 23:40:33 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/HYDROPONICS-Hydrofarm-HOT-HOUSE-with-10-x-20-Heat-Mat_W0QQitemZ330209837977QQihZ014QQcategoryZ43555QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

It's without a thermostat, so is it ok without a thermostat?
Or do I really need one?

magicgreen
02-10-2008, 07:25 AM
Iam using this for my seeds. I hope it works.


http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7923&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7923&ppuser=968)

Tropicallvr
02-10-2008, 02:20 PM
I am thinking of buying one of these:

HYDROPONICS, Hydrofarm HOT HOUSE with 10 x 20 Heat Mat - eBay (item 330209837977 end time Feb-11-08 23:40:33 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/HYDROPONICS-Hydrofarm-HOT-HOUSE-with-10-x-20-Heat-Mat_W0QQitemZ330209837977QQihZ014QQcategoryZ43555QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

It's without a thermostat, so is it ok without a thermostat?
Or do I really need one?
If you get a good enough appliance timer then you don't need a thermostat. you'll need a appliance timer anyways, I bought one that has 2 "clips" per hour so it can go off them on within the hour to get a cooler tempature. It seems to work good. I tried to use a thermostat, but it didn't read the actually temps, was about 15F off at all times(expensive one too)

51st state
02-10-2008, 02:58 PM
Hey Magicgreen
loving the electric blanket propagator. I hope you havent left some little old lady shivering somewhere

D_&_T
02-10-2008, 04:22 PM
Lynn

What kind of tempatures are you getting with your set up?

linkinpark15
02-13-2008, 03:22 AM
I've ordered one of those "hot houses" with a heat mat. Im still waiting for my 100 seeds to come. But will I get a much better germination rate with a heat mat and stuff?

Lodewijkp
02-13-2008, 02:30 PM
dunno a few years ago i used a 80 litre aquarium and i putted a quite high watt fluorescent lamp in it which gave enough heat.

you need thick glass , a hood with a good lamp in it. Thin glass aquariums won't conserve heat wel.

for some species i need higher temps so i covered the glass in the inside and outside with material of black color and putted it near a window with sun.

A max temp of 30 - 35 C is ok, i like the aquarium because it contains moisture very wel and the plants can grow a while under grow light.

even if you buy a heatmat and hot house they can still not germinate, it wil improve the chances alot yes.
i think you need alot of patience, i had palm seeds of a very complicated hybrid that wouldn't germinate with the best equipment while some other people got sprouts after a year.

you need fresh seeds and seeds that are properly stored at the vendor, you don't need fresh seeds but you need ''viable fresh seeds''
even after a lot of bucks you may still end with seeds and no plants its all about patience a good plan.

the best thing to do is buy alot of seeds and stick with one company , after a while doing business they will give you better seeds.

and by the way stick with the velutina and sikkimensis hybrid species, alot of people say they are the easy to germinate.
and i still recommend you to get some palm seeds, Washingtonia filifera( mature -10 C easy to germinate ), chamerops humilis ( easy and very cold hardy), trachycarpus fortunei, thrithinax, sabal, serenoa species are quite cold hardy, just look around the net for species ( www.scanpalms.no , rarepalmseeds.com - palm seeds, cycad seeds, banana seeds (http://www.rarepalmseeds.com)) The Polar Palms of Bulgaria - Home Page (http://www.polarpalm.net/)

combinating banana's and palm is very rewarding in your garden, palm trees stay evergreen through winter depending on your USDA Zone.

Look for the net for USDA zone and find your microclimate. Europe Hardiness Zone Map (http://www.backyardgardener.com/zone/europe1zone.html)

linkinpark15
02-13-2008, 03:36 PM
My new "Musa acuminata". Bought today. It doesn't look that good on the leaves. It has some white splashes(?) that look like bird poo. The leaves are little broken. But there's a new leaf coming.

Pics

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7975&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7975&ppuser=1640)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7974&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7974&ppuser=1640)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7973&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7973&ppuser=1640)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7972&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7972&ppuser=1640)

mrbungalow
02-13-2008, 04:43 PM
Välkommen til forumet Hr. Linkinpark!

Germinating vlutinas isn't that hard compared to other musa species, but I would have a steeper temperature regime (12 hrs of 25-35 degrees and 10 hrs of 12-18 degrees C) a golden rule: More cold time than warm time.

Hilsen;
Erlend

BTW, your plants are not "Acuminata" but most likely a dwarf cavendish cultivar.

Lodewijkp
02-14-2008, 09:59 AM
o yes i have looke at a new updated map for you and it says stockholm is zone 5A, depending if it is a cold winter of course

linkinpark15
02-19-2008, 12:18 PM
Hi
What's wrong with the leaves?
They have like white stains on them.
And today I found a little pup maybe?
It has roots. It didn't "break thru" the soil, I found it underneath, so I potted it so it has light, you know.
I was looking thru the soil and found this:

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8242&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8242&ppuser=1640)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8236&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8236&ppuser=1640)

And my weird leaves:

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8241&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8241&ppuser=1640)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8240&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8240&ppuser=1640)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8239&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8239&ppuser=1640)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8238&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8238&ppuser=1640)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8237&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8237&ppuser=1640)

Suggestions?

Lodewijkp
02-19-2008, 12:49 PM
white stains probably fungicide or insecticide, do you spray it with tapwater ?
water in your region could contain certain minerals which cause a white stuff when dried up after spraying

mrbungalow
02-19-2008, 04:28 PM
Don't worry about the white stuff... In a couple of months you will have a load of giant new leaves. As Lodewijkp said it's probably fungicide or insecticide, nothing to be worried about.

Looks like one of your seeds sprouted! Congrats! And you did perfectly right by potting it up individually. Try to expose the little seedling to as strong light as possible, and it will grow reasonably fast.

linkinpark15
02-20-2008, 02:30 AM
It wasent one of the seeds, it was in the container with the dwarf. Weird? I haven't planted anything there. Or maybe it was a seed becasue I took some soil from some other small container. Becasue my melon seedlings died(my cat killed them, she is crazy). But maybe I took the wrong pot. Becasue they where in the same hot house. Hope it's a velutina seed that sprouted.

linkinpark15
02-24-2008, 10:29 AM
Now I got my hot house with heat mat. Becasue I live in Sweden I must have this transformater thingy. But now it works. But I haven't got my 100 seeds yet but I planted some other seeds like petunia. Maybe the seeds comes this week. I am going to keep you updated.

sandy0225
02-28-2008, 03:14 PM
I think that scarifying the seeds is definitely a bad idea. I've never had even one come up that way for me. Every one of them rotted, they get fungus on them and I think it just eats them up inside.
Watch for fungus gnats too, they are really bad to eat the insides of your seeds too.
I have a sprouted musa ornata, only 99 more to go!
Good luck!

linkinpark15
02-28-2008, 03:59 PM
Ok but I only tried on 4-6 seeds out of 100. As you may have already figured out I got my seeds today. It say'd it was 100 seeds but it was 112(Lucky me). So now I sowed 5-7 seeds without any soaking. I let the seeds be in water for 1 week if that's ok. Now I have a mini hot house with a heat mat and I have desktop lamp. Let the fun begin.


:0497:

Lodewijkp
02-29-2008, 12:41 PM
The best thing to do is soak them 3 days, i experimented with longer soaks 14 days and it gave me good results but you have a very high risk of fungus attack.

soak em and plant em all.

linkinpark15
03-06-2008, 10:40 AM
Okay,

Thanks.

I also have as you now a dwarf cavendish. It's leaves are broken and so. So could I cut it down so that it's just corm left? Would it come new leaves and stuff then?

And I also have planted the seeds now, gave them a 3-5 day soak.

Sebbe

Lodewijkp
03-06-2008, 12:10 PM
you can cut him down but don't do it to close to the ground.
about 5 inches or more above the ground = ok

linkinpark15
03-07-2008, 02:40 AM
Yesterday I saw a pup was coming up. So I let it be for now.

EDIT: It's two pups now.


Sebbe

shopgirl2
03-09-2008, 08:12 AM
so so intriguing....... how I envy you, pal.

linkinpark15
03-19-2008, 09:46 AM
Now there are 3 pup's, 2 with first leaf and 1 little one.

Sebbe

mskitty38583
03-19-2008, 12:00 PM
congrats on your new pups! its exciting to get new pups.