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john_ny
01-11-2008, 07:47 AM
I was looking at the banana forum on GW, and saw this:

"Regarding the size of the pup, all they said was that they harvested 'field-grown suckers' late in the Fall, overwintered them in a greenhouse, then planted them out in late April/early May. The pups had an average height of 2.5 feet when set out. They were starting to harvest bananas in October of that growing season"

This was about a cultivar called Veinte Cohol. Has anyone ever heard of/ had experience with this?

There's quite a bit about it on Google.

austinl01
01-11-2008, 03:50 PM
John,

I couldn't find much on Veinte Cohol when I was searching. All I know is that this banana was featured in Southeastern Palms, a publication by the Southeastern Palm Society (www.sepalms.org). That's where the quote came from.

I bought mine from Going Bananas Nursery, and it will be shipped in April. I'll report my findings this year on it. You're supposed to get ripe bananas by October with a small pup, according to the author's evaluation. We'll see if I can get some nanners this year.

bencelest
01-12-2008, 01:57 AM
I am beginning to be interested getting one. So far I can't find any more info on this plant.

austinl01
01-12-2008, 01:22 PM
This is the best source of information on the internet. From Going-Bananas: "VIENTE COHOL - A dessert variety originating in the Philippine area and having green pseudostem with some brown patches. The small plump fruit (3-4") are soft and sweet. A real cutie. Height about 10 ft."

bencelest
01-12-2008, 05:58 PM
I was looking at the banana forum on GW, and saw this:

"Regarding the size of the pup, all they said was that they harvested 'field-grown suckers' late in the Fall, overwintered them in a greenhouse, then planted them out in late April/early May. The pups had an average height of 2.5 feet when set out. They were starting to harvest bananas in October of that growing season"

This was about a cultivar called Veinte Cohol. Has anyone ever heard of/ had experience with this?

There's quite a bit about it on Google.

You set out the pup and plant it on April and harvest the fruit in November?
That is only 8 months from planting to harvest.
That is way too fast don't you think? Is it believable?

john_ny
01-12-2008, 07:01 PM
I don't know, but people in St. Lucia, who grew Gros Michelle (sp?) said to me , many years ago, (1980) that they could plant the pups, and harvest in about 9-10 months.

bencelest
01-12-2008, 07:28 PM
It is believable in other varieties like Joe Real said if I am not mistaken, the senorita banana from the Philippines will do just that- 8 months from a pup to harvest. But he's been trying to get one but no luck.
But viente cohol came from the Philippines also and it could be just another name for it.
I just email Going Bananas for clarification.
viente cohol means twenty snails in Engiish.

chong
01-13-2008, 01:18 AM
Check out these links that have photos of the Veinte Cohol and Kandarian, both native Philippine bananas.
http://tfphotos.ifas.ufl.edu/022401.HTM
http://tfphotos.ifas.ufl.edu/121500.htm

Veinte fruits appears to be a plump version of the M. Señorita. It is described as being 10' to 12' in height and the fruits 3" in length. The M. Señorita is normally no taller than 9' in the Philippines, as I recall. And the fruits are skinnier and longer than what shown in the photos of the M. Veinte Cohol. The thin skin shown in the photos is exactly as the M. Señorita. I would guess that they are the same plant. The diference in the plants and fruits may be the result of geographic and climatic conditions. The fact that they have the same growing/fruiting schedules is supportive of this assumption.

bencelest
01-13-2008, 02:39 AM
Thanks Chong for the clarification.
It makes the viente cohol as one of my next lists to buy.
I just got me a kandrian a week ago. Thanks Harvey for getting one for me.

austinl01
01-13-2008, 11:49 AM
Researchers at Armstrong Atlantic State Univ and Univ. of GA have been working with this plant and recently wrote an article about it.

It is important to point out they started with 2.5 foot pups to begin the season. There is no reason to doubt that Veinte Cohol can't flower and fruit in one season because all work that's been done is scientific and valid.

I can't wait to try it myself this year! I have a pup coming in April.

Ahava
01-13-2008, 03:44 PM
Ok now I want one. >.<. *looks at wallet* plants make me broke ^_-

austinl01
01-24-2008, 08:43 PM
Does anyone know how Veinte Cohol tastes? Who's all getting one this spring to try?

D_&_T
01-24-2008, 08:53 PM
like to keep informed about this, might be able to grow here with protection in fall

austinl01
02-10-2008, 09:20 PM
Here is a link to Going Bananas with a nice picture of the fruit of Viente Cohol.

http://www.going-bananas.com/bananaplantdescriptions.htm#VIENTE%20COHOL

chong
02-10-2008, 11:45 PM
Does anyone know how Veinte Cohol tastes? Who's all getting one this spring to try?

If there are any Asian Grocery stores in your area, you may find them there. They are sold as "Baby Bananas" under Chiquita, Dole, Del Monte, or some other generic brands. They cost four or five times more than the regular bananas though. I can even find them occasionally at the Safeway store near us. The next time we get some, I'll get a photo and post it here.

Oh, and it tastes great! ! ! You can't eat just one, though. It's probably a fourth, or a third, of a regular banana in bulk.

bencelest
02-11-2008, 01:27 AM
Chong:
We have a farmer's market here that sells baby bananas but then the label says manzano . Are they the same thing?

chong
02-11-2008, 02:02 AM
Chong:
We have a farmer's market here that sells baby bananas but then the label says manzano . Are they the same thing?

I believe they are the same as our Señorita. Only, they are picked too green for transport. The Manzanos that I had in HI, are somewhat tart compared to the Señorita. And they (Manzano) are almost twice as long. Also, Señoritas have a lot thiner skin than Manzano, and have a smell closer to caramel than apple.

Check out the article below:
In season . . . baby bananas | www.azstarnet.com ® (http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/106621)

The author says that it "tastes pretty much like its larger brethren". I totally disagree, unless the ones in their area are stunted fruits from the same plants. But the fact that the ones we get here have very thin skin, light yellow golden color pulp with a firm custard texture. One thing they caution is that you should not pick a totally green bunch since the will not ripen evenly. This would confirm my suspicion that the one they get in their area are not ripe enough to be picked to begin with.

Another thing they said was they are manzano, burro, or pisang mas varieties. Now, i don't know if these are eve the same variety. Here is a link to photos of Pisang Mas banana from Indonesia:
Pisang Mas - ..:: Zul + Sue = Darwisy ::.. - Fotopages.com (http://zulkml.fotopages.com/?entry=590037)

Now, doesn't that remind you of Señorita? You can almost taste it, can't you?

bigdog
02-11-2008, 04:02 PM
Another thing they said was they are manzano, burro, or pisang mas varieties. Now, i don't know if these are eve the same variety. Here is a link to photos of Pisang Mas banana from Indonesia:
Pisang Mas - ..:: Zul + Sue = Darwisy ::.. - Fotopages.com (http://zulkml.fotopages.com/?entry=590037)

I emailed Chiquita some time back, and she told me that their "mini bananas" are the 'Pisang Mas' cultivar.

austinl01
02-11-2008, 05:32 PM
Thanks a lot guys. So, putting it all together Viente Cohol is similar to the Senorita variety which is related to Pisang Mas--the little mini bananas in the store. They all have similar tastes. Are these assumptions correct?

bencelest
02-11-2008, 08:14 PM
I just emailed going bananas if they have viente cohol cause I want one.

Ahava
02-11-2008, 08:54 PM
I emailed going bananas when this thread first came up about a month ago. They told me I'd have to be put on a waiting list, and may or may not be able to get one in March. But I definately would like one. Senorita sounds very interesting as well, but if JoeReal isn't able to get one, I don't know how I'd be able to find one, unless I fly over there, and hijack one back. It's scary I look at my four banana plants I do have but I still want more. >.>

austinl01
02-11-2008, 09:35 PM
I just emailed going bananas if they have viente cohol cause I want one.

Please let us know if they are still available. I got on the Reserve List two months ago. I hope you can get one too.

bencelest
02-17-2008, 02:09 AM
Please let us know if they are still available. I got on the Reserve List two months ago. I hope you can get one too.

There's a long wait on the waiting list. I just put my name on the waiting list and I won't get mine til June.

austinl01
02-17-2008, 04:18 PM
Benny, I hope you can get one sooner. At least they won't be sold out! I'll let you know when mine arrives in April so you'll know what to expect. I'm excited about this one. :)

bencelest
02-17-2008, 09:30 PM
Austin:
As long as they don't forget me I can wait a long time. Thanks if you can tell me by April what to expect. I will just hope that I will get one. I ordered 2.

Simply Bananas
02-22-2008, 08:52 PM
John,

I couldn't find much on Veinte Cohol when I was searching. All I know is that this banana was featured in Southeastern Palms, a publication by the Southeastern Palm Society (Home Page (http://www.sepalms.org)). That's where the quote came from.
I am going to their winter meeting in the am(sat.2/23/08) and there is a presentation at 1pm, which I suspect may be exciting(to say the least)

The meeting is at the Bamboo Farm minutes off I-95 in Savannah(zone8 ish).

Our Banana group(for lack of a better term) went there in early October and my wife took these pictures. They tasted great!
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/porkpi/100_4468.jpg,
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/porkpi/100_4471.jpg,
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/porkpi/100_4477.jpg

austinl01
02-22-2008, 09:39 PM
Ahhh...thanks for enlightening us with those great pictures, porkpi. They are absolutely great! Please post what you find out at the meeting in Savannah. I really wanted to go there this weekend, but the drive is a bit too far.

Randy4ut
02-24-2008, 10:32 AM
Well, I too went to the meeting and the presentation was simply AWESOME!!! Not only was the presentation about fruiting nanners, it also included the work they have been doing with ornamentals... Hey all you ornamental banana lovers, hold on to your hats as some exciting choices will be released in the near future. BTW, I was hoping to be able to purchase a Veinte at the meeting, but that did not become available, so I have already emailed Going Bananas to try and get on the waiting list which I suspect will grow quite a bit within the next few days after that great presentation... Dr. Wallace "spellbounded" alot of us with the work he and others are doing!!!! My hat is off to them...

austinl01
02-24-2008, 01:08 PM
Randy, I just knew the presentation would be sweet! I'm sure you learned a lot about bananas. I can't wait for some of the new hybrids to be released to the public--they will bring new possibilities to the average landscape. I'm glad Dr. Wallace and his colleagues are doing work in this area. It's very cutting edge. If you can't get a Veinte pup by fall, I'll send you one (that is if the one I get in April produces some pups).

bigdog
02-24-2008, 05:30 PM
The presentation was phenomenal. Dr. Wallace has been busy on his "second job," lol! We are lucky to have him as a member here on bananas.org. I think the best part of the presentation was...his shirt. A very loud but tasteful, Hawaiian shirt with large bananas all over it. I want one.

Seriously, the work that they've been doing with 'Veinte Cohol' is awesome and inspiring! The problems that I run into here with my Orinocos is that even if they flower by the end of July, there are usually only about 3-5 leaves on the plant, and therefore the bunches are pretty small. With 'Veinte Cohol', it's such a fast grower that by the end of July there should be a sufficient amount of leaves on the plant to support good-sized bunches (I think they are getting 25 lb. bunches in Savannah). The cool thing was seeing EVERY 'Veinte Cohol' with a large bunch of fruit hanging from it! This could be exactly what some of us in cooler climates have been looking for, minus the cold-hardiness.

The ornamental hybrid pictures were marvelous also! I believe that they are due to be released next year sometime, and ever one of them looked great. One of them had almost a neon-purple bract color, and the fruit were also very brightly colored. Some really cool stuff coming out soon, and no doubt Richard is working on more stuff for future release.

Simply Bananas
02-24-2008, 06:10 PM
The presentation was phenomenal. Dr. Wallace has been busy on his "second job,"
No doubt!
To carry a full time job and do groundbreaking research "on the side" is quite impressive.

Doing the lab work is one thing, but to help manage with the 3(4-if you count his personal banana plot) large areas of banana research(the Big Field, the green House, and ornamental plot) is also very hard physical work. Digging and storing corms, replanting them, laying weed block, running and checking irrigation lines and such in spare time are just a few of the physically demanding tasks they encounter.

We all should be grateful that Dr. Wallace and the others were fortunate enough seize this opportunity with the Bamboo Farm and Coastal Gardens.

I had a chance to spend about 1/2 hour with Dr. Greg Fonsah from the UGA Tifton Campus as he was out chopping down 'spent' p-stems in the Big Field. He is a very enthusiastic banana enthusiast as well. He was a lot of fun to talk bananas with.

The way I see things, the earth has a narrow equatorial belt where bananas are easily successfully grown. The 'discovery' of the Viente Cohol has now expanded that banana belt into zones 8 and 7 in the direction both above and below the equator. This land mass incorporates millions more hectares where it is now easily possible to grow Bananas. This will be crucial to populations struggling with food sources. Thanks!

austinl01
02-24-2008, 07:17 PM
I want a transcript of the lecture!!! I really missed out. Did anyone record it???

Ahava
02-25-2008, 01:28 AM
I want a transcript of the lecture!!! I really missed out. Did anyone record it???


What he said! I'm so excited I will be recieving mine in June/July. What awesome work it is that they do. I hope to be doing something much like they do someday!

bencelest
02-25-2008, 10:05 AM
Amber:
Go for your dreams!
Let no one stop you.

Rmplmnz
02-28-2008, 09:31 PM
Chong:
We have a farmer's market here that sells baby bananas but then the label says manzano . Are they the same thing?

Manzanos are "Apple Bananas"

Rmplmnz
02-28-2008, 09:46 PM
I saw a very plump short banana in Kauai and Maui (pics attached). The flesh was very white...Viente Cohol??

chong
02-28-2008, 11:19 PM
I saw a very plump short banana in Kauai and Maui (pics attached). The flesh was very white...Viente Cohol??

Viente Cohol, according some sites, is Pisang Mas in Indonesia. I had posted a link to a site that shows the pulp as light golden yellow. Here is the link again:
Pisang Mas - ..:: Zul + Sue = Darwisy ::.. - Fotopages.com (http://zulkml.fotopages.com/?entry=590037)

You can compare what you saw with these photos. You will see that the pulp is not white.

chong
02-28-2008, 11:37 PM
Chris,
I just looked at those photos. Very nice!!!

When I did look at them, I noticed that the fruits were plump, more so than the Pisang Mas, and the angularity is more pronounced than the VC. Now, I don't know if that's just because of the stage of ripeness of the fruit.

austinl01
06-29-2008, 12:55 PM
I got my hands on a V. cohol earlier this spring. It was a small pup and is really starting to grow with the summer heat. Here are some pics. Could it bloom before November? We'll see. You can bet I'll be pushing this plant to perform! :2221:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/Bananas/DSCN0349_47.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/Bananas/DSCN0378_68.jpg

Chironex
06-29-2008, 07:16 PM
Anyone else have Philippine bananas in their collection? I'm trying to find Viente Cohol and Kandrian. Everywhere I have checked seems to be sold out. Anyone know someone who knows someone....
Thanks.

dablo93
06-30-2008, 12:15 PM
and Ahave, do you got already your veinte cohol?

Chironex
07-03-2008, 04:42 PM
I just got on the list at going-bananas.com I am number 30, so it is expected that I will get it in late summer or early fall. I ordered 2, so I hope to TC a bunch of them then. (Unless someone has a pup that I can use in the meantime.) PM me if you have one of these, Lakatan, or Kandrian - or any Chinese, Philippine or SE Asia bananas for TC. No hurry as I won't be set-up until late July and it's too hot to ship them now anyhow.

bencelest
07-07-2008, 01:05 AM
I received my Viente cohol yesterday and I transplanted it to a 7 gallon pot.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=11021&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11021)

I ordered this a while back. Going Bananas notified me last week and I sent $25 for the banana and $9 shipping. I am very satisfied with the plant. It is wrapped up real good, the corm was embed in wet moss and the stem was very fresh. It has a large corm with lots of white new roots.
I also have lacatan, and 23 other varieties but they are mostly young. But I have excess of Sweetheart, SDC and Dwarf Cavendish. And Raja Puri and dwarf orinoco.

austinl01
07-13-2008, 02:45 PM
Great news...my veinte cohol has its first pup emerging from the soil!!! I'm really excited about the new pup. With highs in the lower to mid-90's and lows in the mid 70's, the bananas are growing lightning fast! I've been loading them up with fertilizer as well. I need to lay off the fertilizer for a little while because I think I may be overdoing it. Anyone else have V. cohol yet?

Chironex
07-13-2008, 08:57 PM
Sweet! Let me know how fast it grows. Also, when your lacatan pups, I would love to be on your list for a trade or purchase.
Hope my VC comes soon. Thanks for the pic.

chong
07-13-2008, 09:52 PM
I received my Viente cohol yesterday and I transplanted it to a 7 gallon pot.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=11021&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11021)

I ordered this a while back. Going Bananas notified me last week and I sent $25 for the banana and $9 shipping. I am very satisfied with the plant. It is wrapped up real good, the corm was embed in wet moss and the stem was very fresh. It has a large corm with lots of white new roots.
I also have lacatan, and 23 other varieties but they are mostly young. But I have excess of Sweetheart, SDC and Dwarf Cavendish. And Raja Puri and dwarf orinoco.

Benny,
Did Katie from Going Bananas ever tell you what number on the waiting list you were. Like Scot (Chironex) says that he is #30 on the list. I was just wondering which numbers on the list they are now filling orders for.

Thanks.
Chong

bencelest
07-13-2008, 11:20 PM
Chong:
Katie never told me what number I was when I called her that I wanted to order VC except that she told that I would be receiving a phone call around July or August when my turn comes.
It just so happened I received the call on the early part of July true to her word.
I am very happy with the transaction since it is a corm and the corm was very large to boot. She cut a large part of the corm from the mom.
$25 plus shipping.

chong
07-29-2008, 12:23 AM
For those who are on the waiting list for their Viente Cohol from Going Bananas, I just got word from Miss Katie that they are now processing # 8 and #9 from the waiting list. (Bencelest was #3, so you can gage the rate they are progressing.) They have sent out notices to them and are awaiting payment if they are still interested. So, if you are on the list, make sure that you read/check your emails, including your Spam Mail, just in case.

Good luck, people!

bencelest
07-29-2008, 07:09 AM
4 days ago my Viente Cohol had a new leaf emerging. It is now about 1 1/2 inches.
I plan to keep it inside by the East room window, the same as the Monzano I got from Jarred.

Basjoofriend
07-29-2008, 03:41 PM
Hi,

I also want one for my yard in Lucianópolis, but the prohibition of the banana pup import. Does Veinte Cohol have another name in Brazil in Portuguese or there is one very similar in Brazil? If yes, where I can get one in Brazil?

Veinte Cohol is also interesting for crossing with Musa basjoo. One hardy quick ripening fruit banana which is as hardy as Musa basjoo might be ideal!

Best wishes
Basjoofriend

austinl01
07-31-2008, 11:05 PM
My V. cohol is growing very quickly now in this summer heat. The leaves have really increased in size and it's putting on nice pseudostem growth each week. Here's a picture that I took today. I'd estimate it has about 3 feet of stem.

6/29/08
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/Bananas/DSCN0349_47.jpg

Ahava
07-31-2008, 11:15 PM
Very nice. Lovely plants. It's really going for it!

BIGDAWG69
08-01-2008, 05:47 AM
I called to get on the list - the guy says it will be end of Sept or maybe 1st week in Oct. - He says he's waiting on his next shipment from the lab. I didn't know these were tc's they are selling. Anyone get a real pup, or is everyone getting tc's?

Randy4ut
08-01-2008, 08:15 AM
I called to get on the list - the guy says it will be end of Sept or maybe 1st week in Oct. - He says he's waiting on his next shipment from the lab. I didn't know these were tc's they are selling. Anyone get a real pup, or is everyone getting tc's?

I have a pup and not a TC. Here it is as of last week... It has a couple of pups and the main pstem is about 45" tall and pushing out about 2 per week...
(you can see both pups on either side of the main pstem. I know it has put on 2 leaves as of this picture) We have had almost 2" of rain in the past two days, so I know this sure does help!!!

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/2008%20New%20temporary%20pics/100_2633.jpg

Bananaman88
08-01-2008, 11:35 AM
Woo-hoo! (Wink-wink!)

Dean W.
08-01-2008, 01:25 PM
Way to go you all.:woohoonaner:

harveyc
08-05-2008, 01:19 AM
Okay, I got added to the list today and am number 37. Most likely, it will spend the winter in my greenhouse, unless it arrives after winter.

Worldwide Plants (IBS member JeffreyP) has them listed on his site and I wrote him on Friday but haven't heard back. Anybody get one there? I don't know if he can ship that to California.

BIGDAWG69
08-05-2008, 10:04 AM
I've seen them on the WorldWide Plants site, but the site doesnt seem to be able to accept orders for any banana varieties. There is no way to add them to the order, like some of the other plants.

winsorw
08-05-2008, 12:02 PM
Hi Harvey,
I wrote World Wide Plant a month ago, they said they didn't have it.
Winsor

harveyc
08-05-2008, 12:04 PM
JeffreyP used to post here quite a bit. Maybe he isn't doing bananas any longer???

bencelest
08-05-2008, 01:51 PM
I just ordered Viente Cohol at Going Bananas but I was put at the bottom of the list. It's my second order. I was very satisfied with the first order.

Musamania
08-05-2008, 10:52 PM
I finally got two Viente Cohol from Going Bananas last week...But I had placed my original order way back in April. Katie shipped the other Nanners right out, but was told I had to wait until "summer" for V. Cohol. The two Cohols received are clearly natural divisions, not TC. Nice corms. I gave one as a surprise to another plant-nut-friend.

harveyc
08-05-2008, 11:37 PM
My request was acknowledged by Katie yesterday and I was told that I was #37. At this point, I wouldn't mind at all if it wasn't shipped until next March or April.

austinl01
09-17-2008, 07:30 PM
Here's a look at my Veinte Cohol. It has grown nicely since the beginning of the season.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/Bananas/VeinteCohol003.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/Bananas/DSCN0538_08182008_28.jpg

This picture was before the two hurricanes (Gustav and Ike) moved through. The leaves now have a nice shredded, tropical effect! I'll try to get a more recent pic soon.

Chironex
09-17-2008, 08:03 PM
It's a beauty!

buzzwinder
09-17-2008, 11:32 PM
Looks Good!!!!! :bananas_b

harveyc
09-17-2008, 11:37 PM
Has anyone received a Veinte Cohol plant from Going-Bananas lately? I ordered one a while back and was something like 38 on the list and was just wondering if it will get shipped this year. I'd prefer next spring at this point.

chong
09-18-2008, 12:49 AM
Has anyone received a Veinte Cohol plant from Going-Bananas lately? I ordered one a while back and was something like 38 on the list and was just wondering if it will get shipped this year. I'd prefer next spring at this point.

If you're #38(actually you're #37), you're probably going to get your wish of getting it next year. I didn't want to broadcast my position, but a week and a half ago, I just got an e-mail from them stating that I needed to send them an extra amount because I did not send them enough money because the VC was not included in their special pricing. They said that that had been the price from the beginning of the year. I definitely remember placing my order in mid February, a couple of weeks after Benceleste, and the price at the time was $20, and there was no *(asterisk) next to its price on the list. That's why I sent them the check for the amount to cover the order. Ant they never wrote back to me about a shortage, until just recently.

Anyway that's not what I'm lamenting about. It's the fact that they said that I was #13 on the waiting list, based on my ordering following Benny, who ordered it in January. And yet there was this member here, Musamania, from Las Cruces, NM, got his 2! VCs in the last week of July, but according to him "he ordered his plants WAY BACK IN APRIL". I asked about this and they told me that that was because Benceleste had ordered his back in January. I replied back and told them that I wasn't referring to Benny, I was refering to the member from Las Cruces, that ordered in April and got his 2 VCs in late July.

That's when they emailed back and said that I needed to send more money because of the reason stated above. And that I just need to wait until they get to my number.

If Chironix, who is #30 on the list, gets his, I'd sure be very happy for him, but I'd really get pissed for their selective prioritizing.

I cannot even understand how I can be #13 when I ordered only 2 weeks after Benny(he ordered in January, and was #3). Then at the time they told me that they were sending #8 and #9 (in late July), a week later Musamania posted here that he just got his 2 VCs just the week before.

You'd think that by sending a firm order, stipulating how many, with full payment would get higher priority over just emailing or calling for a reservation. I guess it's the Post Office's fault for delivering my order after April.

I get better treatment from Ty Ty Nursery than this, as you can see. (And the person at TTN that I talked to to inquire about my order was very pleasant. And no, I am not asking anyone to buy from them. And no, I do not work for TTN - I have a contract with The Boeing Company's Facilities Dept. in Renton, WA)

Now, if only TTN has VC . . . . .

bencelest
09-18-2008, 12:55 AM
I just ordered another VC fooor a friend two weeks ago and boy, how long will I have to wait for this!

harveyc
09-18-2008, 12:58 AM
wow, screwy deal, Chong! Reminds me of how Dell would handle some big ticket photo equipment (long story).

chong
09-18-2008, 01:01 AM
I just ordered another VC fooor a friend two weeks ago and boy, how long will I have to wait for this!

At the rate they are treating me, probably not as long as I. I wouldn't be surprised if you get yours before me.

chong
09-18-2008, 01:04 AM
wow, screwy deal, Chong! Reminds me of how Dell would handle some big ticket photo equipment (long story).

You don't have to tell me about that, either. I've heard of them from others. I guess when they get too big, they get a little huffy! Maybe a lot huffy!

chong
09-18-2008, 01:20 AM
Here's a look at my Veinte Cohol. It has grown nicely since the beginning of the season.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/Bananas/VeinteCohol003.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/Bananas/DSCN0538_08182008_28.jpg

This picture was before the two hurricanes (Gustav and Ike) moved through. The leaves now have a nice shredded, tropical effect! I'll try to get a more recent pic soon.

Yo, Austin!

That's nice. That March photo, is that the way it came from GB? Looks like a TC seedling. Benny's looked like a field grown pup. Do you know which one is yours, TC or pup?

Thanks.

Chong

Chironex
09-18-2008, 01:48 AM
I haven't received mine yet either. I just emailed them a cpuple days ago asking where I was on the list. No reply as yet. So, I ordered more stuff...go figure. Oh well, it will get here sooner or later. I just hope it isn't a TC for that amount of money. Especially if the previous were field grown pups!!!
Why I oughta..............

austinl01
09-18-2008, 10:28 AM
Yo, Austin!

That's nice. That March photo, is that the way it came from GB? Looks like a TC seedling. Benny's looked like a field grown pup. Do you know which one is yours, TC or pup?

Thanks.

Chong


Hey, Chong. I received this plant back in late March. I do think it was TC because it sure didn't have the corm that a separated pup would have nor the roots. I think that's why it has taken so long for it to gain some size this year. I was expecting a larger plant to arrive in the mail, actually. I placed my order back in January, I believe. I, too, had to pay an extra $5 for the plant because evidently, the price went up between January and March. Oh well...

GB promised me back in January that my Veinte pup would arrive in March. When March came, I inquired about it and they said that it would be late summer. Well, I complained a little bit (actually something that I rarely do, but hey, I was promised my pup this spring!) and they went ahead and sent my plant in March. Maybe because of this, they sent me a TC Veinte instead of a pup! However, this is just a hypothesis about the situation. :lurk: I still like Going Bananas. What can you do when the demand is so high? At least they aren't charging $150 for a pup!

winsorw
09-18-2008, 02:25 PM
Hi guys,
GB said I was #18 and I haven't got mine yet. I emailed them last week but haven't heard back.

chong
09-18-2008, 03:26 PM
I haven't received mine yet either. I just emailed them a cpuple days ago asking where I was on the list. No reply as yet. So, I ordered more stuff...go figure. Oh well, it will get here sooner or later. I just hope it isn't a TC for that amount of money. Especially if the previous were field grown pups!!!
Why I oughta..............

Scot,
I thought that you said earlier, that you were #30. Check out your earlier post on this thread.

Chong

chong
09-18-2008, 03:29 PM
I just got on the list at going-bananas.com I am number 30, so it is expected that I will get it in late summer or early fall. I ordered 2, so I hope to TC a bunch of them then. (Unless someone has a pup that I can use in the meantime.) PM me if you have one of these, Lakatan, or Kandrian - or any Chinese, Philippine or SE Asia bananas for TC. No hurry as I won't be set-up until late July and it's too hot to ship them now anyhow.

Here it is, Scot! Obviously, you are going to get your plants in the Fall because it is now late Summer.

chong
09-25-2008, 06:28 PM
I finally received an email from GB, stating that my 3 pups are ready to be shipped, but then offered to tag them and hold them for me until the Spring. Since our nighttime temperatures are dipping into the high 40s, I obviously exercised this option. Oh! And I still have to send them the additional amount for the price difference. I wouldn't be surprised if they raised their price up next year on these puppies.

Wow! Imagine, I ordered in February and they didn't get ready for shipment until late September, that's 7-months! I just hope that they will be the same pups when they ship them in the spring and not some pups that are just now sprouting, because they should be a lot bigger in March of 2009.

Tropicallvr
09-25-2008, 06:52 PM
I finally received an email from GB, stating that my 3 pups are ready to be shipped, but then offered to tag them and hold them for me until the Spring. Since our nighttime temperatures are dipping into the high 40s, I obviously exercised this option. Oh! And I still have to send them the additional amount for the price difference. I wouldn't be surprised if they raised their price up next year on these puppies.

Wow! Imagine, I ordered in February and they didn't get ready for shipment until late September, that's 7-months! I just hope that they will be the same pups when they ship them in the spring and not some pups that are just now sprouting, because they should be a lot bigger in March of 2009.

If I were you I'd get them now, so you don't have to worry about not getting the same ones or the price going up. Good luck with them.
The local nursery here has only one type of banana right now, and he said they were the small type, I think I'll give it a shot, but the mini bananas I've seen growing locally have a solid green p-stem, and not pink like these at the nursery that kinda look like the small VC pics.

harveyc
09-25-2008, 11:50 PM
Chong, are you planning on growing these outdoors or in your greenhouse? I had figured you were putting the in your greenhouse for at least the winter and would have grabbed those plants!

chong
09-26-2008, 12:30 AM
Chong, are you planning on growing these outdoors or in your greenhouse? I had figured you were putting the in your greenhouse for at least the winter and would have grabbed those plants!

You will recall that I had two Dwarf Niños that survived the cold greenhouse in 2006 when the power went out for 7 days and six nights here in Seattle. The temperatures dipped into the single digits, yet they survived. Then in the winter of 2007-2008, they did fine until Feb-Mar 2008, and slowly turned to mush.

I could put the 3 VCs in the greenhouse. But because, now, the temperatures are dropping below 50, and the daylight hours shortening, I would rather that they grew out a little longer, where the environment was more favorable. The forecast low is 43°F this weekend. That means that if I were to have them shipped here next week, by the time they get here, the temperature may be even lower than that. Even if they grow dormant, they would have a difficult time to recover in the spring since we don't accumulate that much heat during the short days of late Winter and early Spring. So, I don't want to take the chance with them like the Dwarf Niños.

I know that given the record I have with this vendor, this is arguably more of a leap of faith than with TTN on my part. But I have their word that that's what they're going to do. I may be unhappy later on, but at the very least, I will have live plants, however small.

I wish that we had more sunshiny days here in Seattle. Right now it's been raining off and on (mostly on) and I feel the need to bring all the newly arrived and transplanted plants inside the greenhouse, and I'm running out of space.

chong
09-26-2008, 12:57 AM
BTW, I was #11, 12, and 13 on the list, so if anyone there is #14, you're next. and winsorw, 3 more to go, and then it's your turn!

From the weather forecasts for Homstead, FL, the highs and lows are 88°F/72°F on the average. That means that, there's still a lot of warmth left to help the pups continue to grow. I don't know how many mats of VC they have, but it might be that they could more that just four. So, maybe in another month?

Bob
09-26-2008, 01:19 PM
As of Wednesday I'm #49. I didn't ask but I'm hoping 2010!
Chong, if for some reason I get mine before you,you can have it,I'll be out to see friends in North Bend in the spring!:nanadrink:

chong
09-26-2008, 01:42 PM
As of Wednesday I'm #49. I didn't ask but I'm hoping 2010!
Chong, if for some reason I get mine before you,you can have it,I'll be out to see friends in North Bend in the spring!:nanadrink:

Bob,
You are too much! Thank you very much! Drop me a line before you come over. Maybe we can meet somewhere nearby North Bend for some Starbucks or Costco (LOL) coffee. North Bend is not too far from Issaquah, where the headquarters of Costco is.

2010, I love it! . . . . Boy! That's optimism, I tell you. (LOL)

Chironex
09-26-2008, 05:03 PM
I just submitted an additional order and asked for an update. I have moved up to number 29 from 30 - they are now serving number 11. Looks like spring until I see it. Oh well, at least I am not at the end of the line....

chong
09-26-2008, 06:36 PM
I just submitted an additional order and asked for an update. I have moved up to number 29 from 30 - they are now serving number 11. Looks like spring until I see it. Oh well, at least I am not at the end of the line....

Scot,
If you look at my earlier post, I mentioned that I was #11, #12, #13. Those three pups are allegedly tagged with my name and put on hold for delivery in the Spring. The next pup would be working on is for #14. I don't know if they have more than 3 VC mats, but it took 8-1/2 weeks to get from #8 & #9 to #11, #12, & #13 (mine). You can probably extrapolate from there and have a reasonable prediction as to when they will get to #29.

jrozier
09-26-2008, 08:49 PM
As I understand it 3 more came available....my number came up. I wonder who the other 2 are going to....?

harveyc
09-26-2008, 11:55 PM
Chong, I think you either need to move south or get a bigger greenhouse with a back-up generator! ;)

chong
09-27-2008, 12:21 AM
As I understand it 3 more came available....my number came up. I wonder who the other 2 are going to....?

Wow! That's simply beautiful! Congratulations!

Coincidentally, the forecast in the next couple of weeks in the Seattle area includes 3 days that will be in the 90s with average highs in the high 70s and low 80s. Global warming must be really becoming a reality in the Pacific NW after all. I couldn't any happier. I'll call GB to ship my plants on Monday! Woo-whoo-hooo!

Chironex
09-27-2008, 12:41 AM
Scot,
If you look at my earlier post, I mentioned that I was #11, #12, #13. Those three pups are allegedly tagged with my name and put on hold for delivery in the Spring. The next pup would be working on is for #14. I don't know if they have more than 3 VC mats, but it took 8-1/2 weeks to get from #8 & #9 to #11, #12, & #13 (mine). You can probably extrapolate from there and have a reasonable prediction as to when they will get to #29.

By the time I get it, I will have tc'ed a bunch of then anyway. But it will be nice to get a good pup to keep as a source for future explant material. Does anyone know if VC is patented? If so, I will just have to cause a sport to grow and rename it. I think I will call it Musa 'Viente Al Cohol'

chong
09-27-2008, 12:48 AM
Chong, I think you either need to move south or get a bigger greenhouse with a back-up generator! ;)

Are you kidding????? Move south??? With a new granddaughter, do you think that'll happen if my wife has anything to say about it? OK, well, maybe another greenhouse(s), which in fact my wife has been egging me to get. But dang it, work keeps getting in the way. And I can't even keep my house projects going.

But kidding aside, my wife actually liked Palm Beach County, especially Del Rey Beach, when we were there for the hurricane recovery efforts in 2004-2005. But I could tell that she was just accommodating me, and she was missing the kids/grandkids all the time. She wasn't complaining or anything like that. But I could tell that was homesick a lot.

We did try to move last year, to CA and then Vegas, but at my level, it's not easy to keep busy, or even try to look busy, when there's not much work to do. The worst part is after talking to clients and satisfying their requirements, the person in my company that used to do the work with them would really look bad because I can tend to make their problems sound so simple. And then, the more clients ask for my services, the more I get alienated from the people that I worked with, who were there ahead of me. It's as if I'm saying bad things about them. It's not easy working in a place where you're always treated like an outsider.

Thanks for the suggestions.

chong
09-27-2008, 12:57 AM
By the time I get it, I will have tc'ed a bunch of then anyway. But it will be nice to get a good pup to keep as a source for future explant material. Does anyone know if VC is patented? If so, I will just have to cause a sport to grow and rename it. I think I will call it Musa 'Viente Al Cohol'

Scot,
I don't think anyone can claim a patent to VC because it's a natural hybrid from the Philippines. That would be like claiming a patent to Saba or Praying Hands. At least with Praying Hands, one can claim a Copyright, but not a patent, because that name is not the common name in the place of origin.

So, do you have a VC corm for TC'ing already? Or are you referring to the first corm that GB will be sending you?

Bob
09-27-2008, 06:17 AM
Originally Posted by Chironex
By the time I get it, I will have tc'ed a bunch of then anyway. But it will be nice to get a good pup to keep as a source for future explant material. Does anyone know if VC is patented? If so, I will just have to cause a sport to grow and rename it. I think I will call it Musa 'Viente Al Cohol'

GREAT IDEA; send a pup it will get here faster!:nanadrink:

Chironex
09-27-2008, 03:14 PM
Scot,
I don't think anyone can claim a patent to VC because it's a natural hybrid from the Philippines. That would be like claiming a patent to Saba or Praying Hands. At least with Praying Hands, one can claim a Copyright, but not a patent, because that name is not the common name in the place of origin.

So, do you have a VC corm for TC'ing already? Or are you referring to the first corm that GB will be sending you?

Chong, I have arrangements made for a corm to be here in about a month from a private owner for TC'ing. I will make a few additional plantlets to keep explant material on hand.
The reason I asked about VC being patented is that I did not know how it came about. Sometimes it is the name that is copyrighted, or the plant itself is patented, or the media used or methodology to propagate it is protected by patent.

I have my TC lab ready to go, but I am still running trials to ensure minimal contamination. Things are being sterilized and re-sterilized first. Then I need to add some shelving and lights for phase 3 acclimitization.

Bob
09-27-2008, 04:41 PM
Scot, a bit off topic for the thread but, I did a wiki search on "gros michel" and it listed you as growing it. Is this an "original" gros michel or is it a "FHIA 23" ? I just ordered a couple of these from GB because I figured they were as close as I could get. As I understand it they are a cultivar of the orig. Thought you might know better........Thanks, Bob

Randy4ut
10-09-2008, 11:00 AM
Just thought I would give an update on my Veinte Cohol. A couple of weeks ago, I dug up and potted 3 pups, one having about a 3' pstem, to overwinter in my dear friend's greenhouse. Today, I dug up the two largest pstems and potted them into a 45 or 60 gallon pot to overwinter in my garage. Once dug, I found two more very small pups just starting to come up. Well, needless to say, it was a MONSTER job for one person as you could imagine as soon as you see the pic I have included. The largest pstem is around 6' and the smaller one is right at 5'. So, with all this said, with a bit of luck, I will be eating my first Veinte Cohol fruit next summer. The plant will be housed in my unheated garage over the winter.
Also, hopefully, next year I will be able to share this little gem with some of my friends. Everyone keep your fingers crossed.
There is a green yardstick sitting up next to the pstems for scale!!!

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/100_2937.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/100_2938.jpg

harveyc
10-09-2008, 11:12 AM
Randy, you are crazy. ;)

I hurt my back 25 years ago and try to be a bit more careful now.

Randy4ut
10-09-2008, 11:18 AM
Randy, you are crazy. ;)

I hurt my back 25 years ago and try to be a bit more careful now.

Harvey,
You oughta see the Ice Cream that I plan on digging up and dragging under the house. It has 5 pstems ranging in size from 9' to 6'. I was amazed that it hasn't even sent up a flag leaf. Well, I guess now I don't want it to as it would NEVER have time to set fruit. Hopefully, I will be able to find a few friends with strong backs and weak minds to help. But that is what I have always be called by my friends, so I may have to go it alone!!! LOL

austinl01
10-09-2008, 11:39 AM
Randy, looks great. I think I'll do the same with my Cohol. I will probably dig it up in two weeks. I hope we can overwinter them successfully. If so, we'll be munching on sweet bananas next year! Yiippeee! :)

harveyc
10-09-2008, 12:03 PM
Hey Randy, I had a worker help me the other day repot my Ae Ae into a 30 gallon pot. I know I'm going to need his help again if I plant it in the ground next spring. There's no way I'm moving that myself since it needs to be leaned over to get out of my greenhouse (it's got a pseudostem of 6-7 feet and total height of about 12' above soil line). When I build a bigger greenhouse some day it's going to have a wider and taller door as I have a small Kubota tractor with a loader and it can squeeze through a 4 foot opening and still pick up 600 pounds. I feel old enough as it is without hurting myself.

But I was talking to Katie at Going-Bananas the other day and wondering about something, but I'll start another thread for that.

Good luck!

Harvey

frog7994
10-09-2008, 01:15 PM
I bought mine from going Bananas also. It was doing well but We have a michivious ratcoon in the neighborhood and it snapted it half so I had to cut it back. I't doing great now. I was drawn by the hot pink color. I can't wait.

stumpy4700
10-09-2008, 01:38 PM
[QUOTE=Randy4ut;54318]Just thought I would give an update on my Veinte Cohol. A couple of weeks ago, I dug up and potted 3 pups, one having about a 3' pstem, to overwinter in my dear friend's greenhouse. Today, I dug up the two largest pstems and potted them into a 45 or 60 gallon pot to overwinter in my garage. Once dug, I found two more very small pups just starting to come up. Well, needless to say, it was a MONSTER job for one person as you could imagine as soon as you see the pic I have included. The largest pstem is around 6' and the smaller one is right at 5'. So, with all this said, with a bit of luck, I will be eating my first Veinte Cohol fruit next summer. The plant will be housed in my unheated garage over the winter.
Also, hopefully, next year I will be able to share this little gem with some of my friends. Everyone keep your fingers crossed.
There is a green yardstick sitting up next to the pstems for scale!!!

In your garage do you have grow lights or are you letting it go dormant?

Randy4ut
10-09-2008, 02:01 PM
Stumpy,
I have tall, narrow windows in my garage that are on both the east and west sides of my garage. Not a lot of light, but I was able to overwinter my Maurelli without any problems in a pot last year. Here is what it looked like when I brought it out for the spring/summer...
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/Nanners%202008/100_2420.jpg

Bananaman88
10-09-2008, 03:14 PM
Nice job with the VC, Randy! That's some nice growth for a pot-grown banana. I certainly hope they make it though the winter OK for you.

Randy4ut
10-09-2008, 03:48 PM
Nice job with the VC, Randy! That's some nice growth for a pot-grown banana. I certainly hope they make it though the winter OK for you.

Thanks, Brent, but they are not pot grown. As stated in the post, I just dug them up and potted them, today. Sure could have used another banana lover that would have helped with the lugging of the corm and pstems around the house to where they were potted and stay until time to bring in!!!

Bananaman88
10-10-2008, 12:31 PM
Sorry, I overlooked the fact that you'd just potted them up. Duh!

Randy4ut
03-07-2009, 04:29 PM
Well, I am totally bummed out!!! I finally took my large potted VC out of the garage today and both pstems had rotted!!!! They looked fine and felt firm, but when I went to move them outside for a few days, they crumpled!!! Corm feels fine, but looks as if I will have to start over again this spring. Glad I kept the pups in my friend's greenhouse as back ups.. I guess VC doesn't like to be stored cold with NO water...
Here is what they looked like before I put them in the garage...

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/Nanners%202008/100_2938.jpg

harveyc
03-07-2009, 05:01 PM
Wow, sorry to hear that Randy! Good luck in 2010 with your pups!

Harvey

bigdog
03-07-2009, 05:11 PM
Well, I am totally bummed out!!! I finally took my large potted VC out of the garage today and both pstems had rotted!!!! They looked fine and felt firm, but when I went to move them outside for a few days, they crumpled!!! Corm feels fine, but looks as if I will have to start over again this spring. Glad I kept the pups in my friend's greenhouse as back ups.. I guess VC doesn't like to be stored cold with NO water...
Here is what they looked like before I put them in the garage...

Randy, sure sorry to hear that! I know how frustrating it can be to have the pseudostem at the height that you want it, only to lose all of it the following spring. Was the soil at all moist? Maybe next time, try them completely bareroot. Sounds like they rotted out at the base. Could be a temperature issue also. Some of the acuminata types just don't really do well with cool temps at all. Also, did they have any leaves when you put them up last fall? If so, try them with no leaves next time.

I'll be sure to post pics of mine this summer for you to enjoy! :nanadrink:

Randy4ut
03-07-2009, 08:14 PM
Randy, sure sorry to hear that! I know how frustrating it can be to have the pseudostem at the height that you want it, only to lose all of it the following spring. Was the soil at all moist? Maybe next time, try them completely bareroot. Sounds like they rotted out at the base. Could be a temperature issue also. Some of the acuminata types just don't really do well with cool temps at all. Also, did they have any leaves when you put them up last fall? If so, try them with no leaves next time.

I'll be sure to post pics of mine this summer for you to enjoy! :nanadrink:

Bigdog,
I did not water them all winter and they were fairly dry when I put them in but not bone dry. I did have several leaves on them when I put them up. Like I said in the first post, I do have about 3 pups in Clevelandcathy's greenhouse that were about 2-3' tall, so I still may have a chance, even if only slightly, to have fruit this year. I can't remember exactly what is under the house bareroot beside the Ice Cream, but hopefully, I put a VC under there to test. I will check under there later this coming week and see. What aggrevates me is that I have two potted Ice Creams beside the VC in the garage and they have about 5-6 foot of pstem. Go figure!!!!
Will be an interesting spring to see what comes back for me as this is the worst (coldest and wettest) winter I have experienced since I contracted my addiction with tropicals>>>

austinl01
03-07-2009, 08:25 PM
Randy, I'm very sorry to read the bad news. I was really hoping the VC would pull through this winter. I watered my VC slightly during the winter. The pstem is solid except near the very top so I cut it back today. There are some brown spots showing on the pstem, but they are firm. I hope there isn't rot inside the trunk only to mess up the plant later. My smaller pups rotted with no water too while Raja puri still has a green leaf! Go figure on that. I was hoping VC would be easier to overwinter. I want to know what bananas are the easiest to overwinter for our climate, and which give us the best chance for fruit. It can be frustrating for the banana grower in zone 7b/8a.

Randy4ut
03-07-2009, 08:36 PM
Austin,
Without going under the house, so far, my Ice Creams have all done good in the garage. My basjoo all except one pstem got knocked down to the corm. And with no protection other than a little extra mulch around the base of the pstems, my sabas are solid outside with at least 6-8 foot of solid pstem!!! The smaller sabas got knocked to the corm. I have about 3' or so of height on a couple of the balbisiana gigantea that was left outside with no protection. Man, I don't think I will ever figure out how different types of bananas will do in my area. Like I said, should be interesting this spring!!! Let me know how you VC does. I thought my was doing fine as the pstem felt solid to the touch until I went to move them and they just collapsed!!! UUUGGGHHH!!!!!

bencelest
03-09-2009, 11:19 AM
I have one VC that I am keeping it in a pot that I bought last year and I am planning to plant it at my pergola plat this spring. I think it will be good for her on the ground and semi protected.
I have one senorita also but it is still unknown whether it will survive or not. I have it planted in a 3 gallon pot with pot heated underneath and Christmas lights around it. I hope this spring it will wake up.

tophersmith
03-09-2009, 11:49 AM
I went over to Plant Delights this weekend for there winter openhouse. Tony mentioned that he would be selling these next spring as he will be growing out TC's in the fall. :)

Bananaman88
03-09-2009, 12:30 PM
Randy- sorry to hear about your problems. I just sent you a PM.

Randy4ut
03-09-2009, 12:40 PM
I have one VC that I am keeping it in a pot that I bought last year and I am planning to plant it at my pergola plat this spring. I think it will be good for her on the ground and semi protected.
I have one senorita also but it is still unknown whether it will survive or not. I have it planted in a 3 gallon pot with pot heated underneath and Christmas lights around it. I hope this spring it will wake up.

Hey Benny,
Best of luck with your VC. Hopefully my large one's corm is still good and it will give me some pups this spring. The corm still feels firm, so I am optimistic... Best of luck with your senorita and let us know how if fares, also...
Take care :bananas_b

Randy4ut
03-09-2009, 12:43 PM
Randy- sorry to hear about your problems. I just sent you a PM.

PM received and reply sent!!!

bencelest
03-09-2009, 02:18 PM
Randy: If the corm is still firm 99.9% it will come up this spring.

chong
05-20-2009, 05:00 PM
[09-26-2008, 06:49PM]As I understand it 3 more came available....my number came up. I wonder who the other 2 are going to....?

Hey Joe!
Check out my latest post today: Just in Case Anyone is Wondering what happened to my Veinte Cohols . . . - Bananas.org (http://www.bananas.org/showthread.php?p=76716#post76716)

And here I thought you were just kidding!!!!!

Randy4ut
05-20-2009, 09:11 PM
Well, just thought I would give an update to my VC. The corm never did produce a pup, so I dug it out of the large pot and it is black, but fairly firm. I will be leaving it out in the open to see what it will do. Probably nothing, but hey, you never know. The three pups at my friend's greenhouse all collapsed also and thought it was hopeless. Well, my friend came by today and gave me a pot with a 3" tall pup rising out of the ROT!!!! I never thought it would come back, but hey, I get another chance with it!!! I will defintely be digging it up sooner and potting them up at least by the first of August, no matter how tall or short they are. BigDog, got anymore room at your special greenhouse??? JK... I will update when there is more to report...

Steve L
05-21-2009, 10:10 AM
I'll happily store a few for you in my greenhouse next winter.

jrozier
05-21-2009, 08:07 PM
Hey Joe!
Check out my latest post today: Just in Case Anyone is Wondering what happened to my Veinte Cohols . . . - Bananas.org (http://www.bananas.org/showthread.php?p=76716#post76716)

And here I thought you were just kidding!!!!!

I saw your post....I was just keeping quiet! When mine came last fall, it was rather small, too. I overwintered it in an unused bedroom. It grew very little, but stayed alive. It is planted outside now.

I still wonder who got the other two that were originally slated for you.

JOE

chong
05-21-2009, 08:26 PM
I saw your post....I was just keeping quiet! When mine came last fall, it was rather small, too. I overwintered it in an unused bedroom. It grew very little, but stayed alive. It is planted outside now.

I still wonder who got the other two that were originally slated for you.

JOE

Thanks for responding, Joe. You have just confirmed my worst fear. When you say that what you got were small, were they smaller that what I just got?

As far as the other 2, they could have been sent to others who may be unrelated to our forum.

Thanks again and regards,

Chong

jrozier
05-21-2009, 08:46 PM
Thanks for responding, Joe. You have just confirmed my worst fear. When you say that what you got were small, were they smaller that what I just got?

As far as the other 2, they could have been sent to others who may be unrelated to our forum.

Thanks again and regards,

Chong

Chong,

The one I got looked about identical to the 3 in your recent picture - small but healthy.

I don't know if yours didn't get held or not. I suppose it is possible that they did get held for shipment now, since mine didn't grow much over the winter. And they trim them off for shipping - if you trimmed mine down, it would probably look about the same size as when it arrived. I'm out of town now, but will try to get a picture when I get back home.

I thought you changed your mind and got immediate shipping last fall?

JOE

chong
05-22-2009, 01:38 AM
Chong,

The one I got looked about identical to the 3 in your recent picture - small but healthy.

I don't know if yours didn't get held or not. I suppose it is possible that they did get held for shipment now, since mine didn't grow much over the winter. And they trim them off for shipping - if you trimmed mine down, it would probably look about the same size as when it arrived. I'm out of town now, but will try to get a picture when I get back home.
I'm waiting with baited breath. I'm real curious as to how big they are.

I thought you changed your mind and got immediate shipping last fall?

JOE

I was extremely tempted to call their bluff. But I just thought that it would be like shooting myself in the foot. A case of "Damned if I do and damned if I don't" situation. If I got them back then, who knows if they could have survived the winter here. Now I wish that I had (called their bluff).

Thanks again.

harveyc
06-18-2009, 10:52 AM
I got a nice big pup yesterday! :D

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18459&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18459&ppuser=775)

I think I should have bananas by October! ;)

TomK
06-18-2009, 11:26 AM
Looks good!

kaczercat
06-18-2009, 11:55 AM
Very nice size :D good luck

chong
06-18-2009, 04:11 PM
I got a nice big pup yesterday! :D

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18459&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18459&ppuser=775)

I think I should have bananas by October! ;)

Harvey,
Congratulations!

No conspiracy against me, huh???? If that is representative of what they are shipping to buyers, I wonder why, after waiting 7 months, then after that, graciously giving them the chance to please other customers by postponing my delivery for another 8 months, they would then send me those 3 puny little pups that I finally got. I will never understand what they have against me. The last VC that I have left is still Small with no sign of growth. The same is true for the other 3 new pups that I got from them, 1 week before the VCs - Small and no growth either. I hereby rest my case . . . . . . .

harveyc
06-18-2009, 04:20 PM
Thanks, Chong.

I don't know if that's representative of what they are shipping most of the time or not. Maybe I got lucky and I would have been happy with one of the same size they sent you as well. And I do not think they had any conspiracy against you. Please drop it. I don't think it's making you feel better and it's sure not added any value to this discussion. I was reluctant to post a photo of my pup because I was worried that it would upset you but had hoped you had gotten over it. I think you'll be getting some nice pups before the end of the year anyways. :)

Thanks again,

Harvey

chong
06-18-2009, 04:41 PM
I think you'll be getting some nice pups before the end of the year anyways. :)



Huh????? I did not order from them again. Probably never.

mm4birds
06-18-2009, 04:46 PM
I got my VC plant about 2 weeks ago from Going bananas and it is about the same size as Chong's three plants. It was planted in the ground the same day and now I am hoping it doesn't rot or float away since it has been raining in New York for the past 15 out of 16 days. Compared to harveyc's plant it is much shorter but appears to have a larger corm so I can't complain. If it starts to grow I will post pictures.

Bob
06-18-2009, 04:49 PM
Hi mm, hate to be a (you know what) have you checked the 10 day forecast? I'm starting to seriously worry too.

harveyc
06-18-2009, 06:08 PM
Hi mm, hate to be a (you know what) have you checked the 10 day forecast? I'm starting to seriously worry too.

Bob, today is the first day of what I would call good banana growing weather I've had in about 5 weeks or so. It's a little hot for me (just came in to cool down some from shoveling in my alfalfa field and it's 92F). A couple of days ago was about the first time we hit 80F in June, I believe. We're going to be cooling back down soon, though. My bananas look happy in the heat and light breeze of 1-2mph. Humidity is even kind of high for my area at 30%, must be my sweating! ;)

mm4birds, maybe you should pull yours up and pot them or at least plant them on a mound. You sure woldn't want them to rot in the ground from sitting in water. Might be worth being proactive, though you know your situation better than me.

Rmplmnz
06-18-2009, 09:02 PM
Huh????? I did not order from them again. Probably never.

Chong, Harvey's statement was a subtle inference related to the pups you sent out would be paying dividends to you. This is the source of future pups ..not a commercial supplier.:drum:

harveyc
06-18-2009, 09:05 PM
Huh????? I did not order from them again. Probably never.

I'm not talking about pups from Going Bananas. I don't think you should order from them again. I thought you would know that I meant you'd be getting pups from me. The "small" pup you loaned me is hanging in there and should come along soon now that we finally have some warmer weather and, along with my other pup, I should get enough to send you the three pups I promised before year-end. I'll send pups when they've go a few decent leaves and look good. I don't plan to get into the "tag and hold" thing, though.

Bob
06-18-2009, 09:07 PM
Tag and hold one for me then.

chong
06-18-2009, 10:09 PM
I'm not talking about pups from Going Bananas. I don't think you should order from them again. I thought you would know that I meant you'd be getting pups from me. The "small" pup you loaned me is hanging in there and should come along soon now that we finally have some warmer weather and, along with my other pup, I should get enough to send you the three pups I promised before year-end. I'll send pups when they've go a few decent leaves and look good. I don't plan to get into the "tag and hold" thing, though.

Okay, I must warn you, I'm holding my breath!

chong
06-18-2009, 10:10 PM
Tag and hold one for me then.

You are too funny! Thanks for making my day.

harveyc
06-18-2009, 10:42 PM
Bob, I'll tag Chong's toe, and have them hold his dead body for you, okay? If he's still holding his breath he must be a goner! :ha:

Chong, don't be a skeptic. I live in a banana belt here in zone 9 (Sunset 14)! :D

Harvey

harveyc
06-18-2009, 10:45 PM
Hey, Chris, please keep me posted how our pup is doing. I'm curious as to how it performs in your climate over the next four months or so compared to here. Your evenings are definitely warmer and you have more solar radiation.

Rmplmnz
06-19-2009, 07:21 AM
Hey, Chris, please keep me posted how our pup is doing. I'm curious as to how it performs in your climate over the next four months or so compared to here. Your evenings are definitely warmer and you have more solar radiation.

Will do..it has already thrown out a tiny 3/4" leaf...

Updated pic: 7/03/09

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=18948&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18948)

Updated pic: 7/12/09

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=19232&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19232)

lkstapleton
08-08-2009, 06:52 PM
So, how does one get on the waiting list for Veinte Cohol? Do we send email or snailmail someplace, or do we have to send money and pre-pay, or what?

Thanks for any help that anyone can provide.

Best regards,
Lisa

harveyc
08-08-2009, 07:25 PM
Hello Lisa, welcome to the forum! I guess I got you interested in this banana, eh?

Go to http://www.going-bananas.com/contactgoingbananas.htm and send an e-mail to get on the list and they'll let you known when one is available. Katie takes care of e-mails but I heard from her a couple of days ago that she's out of the country right now. She's still handling e-mails, though, so go ahead and e-mail her.

Cheers,

Harvey

lkstapleton
08-09-2009, 01:09 AM
Thanks for the advice, and for the tip about joining the forum. I don't know if I'll ever be as into this as you folks clearly are, but I'd settle for being able to grow just a few varieties to fruiting fairly consistently. That's really my big goal. I grow a lot of things on our tiny plot, but to me, it's really important to be able to grow the three things my family loves the most: apples, oranges and bananas. Apples and oranges, I'm doing OK on. But the banana thing is going to take some work here in San Jose. People nearby have only mentioned fruiting a few varieties, so it must be pretty tough.

Lisa

cherokee_greg
07-29-2011, 05:34 PM
Well I wanted to try another one. The ones I received from that other place not to knock them,im sure they have some nice plants,mine just never made it. They were always so small.Any how I took a risk and bought one from Logees . Well here is what I received. It has a nice root system and even a pup getting ready to come up !

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=44655&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=44655&ppuser=5959) :08::08::08: :woohoonaner:

Ahava
07-30-2011, 12:19 PM
That's gorgeous. Congratulations. XD

cherokee_greg
07-30-2011, 02:01 PM
That's gorgeous. Congratulations. XD

Thanks allot. You still in Woodlake ? Its a nice place. My Uncle has lived there for years. Lots of years. Take care

Ahava
07-31-2011, 10:53 PM
Thanks allot. You still in Woodlake ? Its a nice place. My Uncle has lived there for years. Lots of years. Take care

Yes, I am. I love it here. Even when I move away, I always come back. Something about having a peaceful existance, is truely a nice thing. Take care as well. =)

harveyc
08-01-2011, 12:15 AM
Maybe I'll have pups for sale at the end of the year or next year. I passed through Exeter and then Fresno on my way home today but was in a hurry to get back home.

cherokee_greg
08-01-2011, 12:39 AM
Maybe I'll have pups for sale at the end of the year or next year. I passed through Exeter and then Fresno on my way home today but was in a hurry to get back home.

Wow Exeter mom was raised in Exeter nice little town there.

harveyc
08-01-2011, 01:09 AM
My "best man" and college buddy lives there and we came back from a weekend of fun down south with other old college friends. I tried to talk some of them into growing bananas but nobody bit!

paxetamor
08-31-2011, 05:27 PM
I know this thread is a bit old, but I am looking for reviews or comments from those that grew the Veinte Cohol var.

Inquiring minds want to know...

Best Regards, Mick - Abilene, TX

venturabananas
09-02-2011, 10:23 AM
Mick,

Since the folks who've had Veinte Cohol longer than I have aren't chiming in, I'll tell you my limited experience...

I got a small tissue cultured VC in late November last year. It is doing fine, but is a slow grower compared to most other similar sized TC plants I bought around the same time. It's put on leaves at about the same rate as other bananas I have, but the leaves have been small and the p-stem is still very short, less than 1.5'. Admittedly, it's not in the best spot and we don't have the tropical weather than I suspect this plant needs to grow rapidly.

Overall, given the large number of people on the org who were excited about this cultivar and bought it, and the low number of glowing reports about it, I'd guess it didn't live up to the hype. But I'm hoping that my little VC will eventually prove that guess wrong. But at this point, VC wouldn't make my short list of top cultivars to grow.

harveyc
09-02-2011, 11:39 AM
I got three of them in 2009 and dug them up last winter to over-winter in my greenhouse. I put them back in the ground around May, I think and they are now 3-4 feet tall and doing well with lots of pups, but our spring and most of the summer has been cooler than normal so it's been a challenging year for fruit. It seems to me that they like really warm weather so if you have spring and summer weather with warm days and nights (even my hottest days 100F gets down to the mid-60s at night), I think it can do well. I'm reluctant to dig up pups to sell now since I'm still hoping for a flower soon, but starting to give up hope for that this year.

paxetamor
09-02-2011, 01:36 PM
I don't know if I could do any better here, I'd be willing to try anything fun. And would certainly give them consideration; at what price, size and time frame will you be selling them?

Regards, Mick

srash
09-03-2011, 01:01 PM
I planted 2 tissue cultured plants early summer 2010. They both grew well but never flowered. One of them was attacked by a deer last fall. I dug up what was left, potted it and a small pup and over wintered them inside. The other plant I left in the ground. It froze and never came back (my Ae Ae froze but did come back). I guess I confused short season fruiting with cold tolerance.
The plants I over wintered inside are growing well back in the ground. Still no signs of a flower. I will be sure to dig them up and bring them inside this winter as well.
I don't think they are my prettiest bananas, but I have not given up on them.

fishoifc
09-03-2011, 05:36 PM
I also got mine last summer it was a slow grower,potted it up for the winter left it inside and replanted it this spring. This is the only plant i have ever seen that grows leaves and never gets bigger I cant understand it.my p0lant is still about 18" tall has been putting out new leaves all summer and has not grown one inch,I will dig it uo this weekend and pot it up to relocate for a better chance at growing

harveyc
09-03-2011, 06:13 PM
I don't know if I could do any better here, I'd be willing to try anything fun. And would certainly give them consideration; at what price, size and time frame will you be selling them?

Regards, Mick


I can't really say for sure until I'm really ready to dig them which would be in 1-2 months. Price would be somewhat dependent on size but I was thinking of around $30 for a pup that is 2' or a little more tall (pseudostem), plus shipping. I'm sure they would be bigger than what Going Bananas is sending. I just don't have the time to bother digging up pups for less than that.

sunfish
10-11-2011, 04:46 PM
Pup :woohoonaner:

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=46258&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=46258&ppuser=2868):nanadrink:

harveyc
10-26-2011, 09:21 PM
I noticed today that one of my three larger Veinte Cohol plants is flowering. Been too busy with farm work to pay much attention to them. This one flowered at about 5.5 feet high.

This variety is supposed to be fast to mature, but I can't imagine it being fast enough with this thing flowering this late in the year.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=46526&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=46526&ppuser=775)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=46527&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=46527&ppuser=775)

sunfish
10-26-2011, 09:30 PM
I noticed today that one of my three larger Veinte Cohol plants is flowering. Been too busy with farm work to pay much attention to them. This one flowered at about 5.5 feet high.

This variety is supposed to be fast to mature, but I can't imagine it being fast enough with this thing flowering this late in the year.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=46526&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=46526&ppuser=775)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=46527&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=46527&ppuser=775)

Cool hope it makes it.60 days you'll have Christmas bananas

harveyc
10-26-2011, 09:52 PM
Maybe I'll build a little shelter over these so that I can give them some help to see if they are worth growing. I wonder if BigDog is still growing them. He fruited his in a greenhouse and they weren't very good but they were in a pot. With all the fuss given over ordering these I would have thought others would have fruited these by now.

All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth. Never mind, I've still got those so I'll take a ripe bunch of VC!

sunfish
11-02-2011, 06:48 PM
Very colorful p-stem on this plant



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Darkman
04-01-2014, 06:56 AM
This article

Banana Research | Georgia FACES | UGA (http://www.caes.uga.edu/applications/gafaces/?public=viewStory&pk_id=4983)

dated December 19, 2013 shows that Greg Fonsah is still working with the VC. Maybe there is still hope for that banana but maybe more to 8b/9a.

Are there any updates?

Simply Bananas
04-01-2014, 10:03 AM
This article

Banana Research | Georgia FACES | UGA (http://www.caes.uga.edu/applications/gafaces/?public=viewStory&pk_id=4983)

dated December 19, 2013 shows that Greg Fonsah is still working with the VC. Maybe there is still hope for that banana but maybe more to 8b/9a.

Are there any updates?

I'll be curious to know that too.
We'll see what happens after my VC spent last winter out unprotected. Not looking good now.

Steve L
04-01-2014, 10:08 AM
Mine spent the entire winter unprotected. No viable pseudostem from the harsh winter but new growth coming from the corm. I would suspect that with a little protection, like wrapping the pseudostem with a blanket, it would have flowered this year. So I think the corm is at least hardy to zone 9a.

Steve

Botanical_Bryce
12-17-2015, 10:03 PM
Bump

hydroid
12-18-2015, 12:56 PM
This banana is on my short list just for the shear beauty. It's beautiful.

PR-Giants
12-18-2015, 01:07 PM
Veinte Cohol is one of my favorites, eating some as I type. Only have about 4 hands left so I'll have to harvest another bunch later today.

Mark Dragt
12-18-2015, 08:39 PM
I can't wait to see how mine does next year. Maybe it will give me some pups so I can share.

HMelendez
12-19-2015, 07:37 AM
I can't wait to get one of this beauties!..... hopefully I will get one next spring 2016!.......