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Gabe15
01-04-2008, 11:13 PM
My red and green forms, about the same age. The green one interestingly has a noticably different leaf shape.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7510&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7510&ppuser=5)

harveyc
01-05-2008, 12:25 AM
Nice, Gabe, they look happy in the greenhouse. Have you had any other pups besides the one read one? Some folks have reported pupping "frenzies" but mine, which is a bit smaller than yours, just has one small pup so far.

Gabe15
01-05-2008, 12:38 AM
Thats the only pup on either of them. Often TC plants will prematurely set out a lot of pups, but as is the case with the one shown, they are water suckers and not the best source for propagation.

magicgreen
01-05-2008, 09:02 AM
Gabe they look good, and so does that Greenhouse!
Whats that plant under the table on the left? Does it get big ? I like the variegation in the leaves. I need something like that in my backyard. :2127: Thanks, Magicgreen

chong
01-05-2008, 10:14 PM
Whats that plant under the table on the left? Does it get big ? I like the variegation in the leaves. I need something like that in my backyard. :2127: Thanks, Magicgreen
I can't resist answering this question. The plant under the table looks like a form of Monstera Deliciosa. Sometimes called Water Plant because you can cut a stem, put it in water and it will grow. Even easier to grow than the Lucky Bamboo.

It can get big. When it does, the leaves get serrated and can even produce edible fruit (edible when ripe).

more info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monstera_deliciosa

Gabe15
01-05-2008, 10:31 PM
Thats actually not my greenhouse, so I donʻt know what all the plants in there are really. Although the one under the table isnʻt Monstera deliciosa, Im pretty sure its a pothos vine, but i didnt look closely.

mskitty38583
01-05-2008, 10:32 PM
thank you. i was wondering the same thing. the flowers almost remind me of a peace lily. the fruits are poisonous till they ripen. thats kind of scary. does that include brushing against it or just eating it? i have outside cats and dont want them into something thats gonna hurt them. do you know if they are a common plant one can aquire at a gh? thanks again for the info. i love the leaves.

if thats a pothos id love to have one.ive not seen one like that.its a beautiful plant.

Gabe15
01-05-2008, 10:41 PM
well, ive never tried putting them in my mouth, but im sure they are packed with calcium oxalate, but so are many other aroids. it wont harm you just to touch the plant, or probably even come into skin contact with the sap in small amounts (ive never had a problem), but when it gets in your mouth is where it starts to cause problems. it hurts pretty bad (I have experience with slightly unripe monstera fruit), so i dont think your cat would even want to eat it.

mskitty38583
01-05-2008, 10:46 PM
thank you.

chong
01-06-2008, 12:30 AM
. . . . . . . .. Although the one under the table isnʻt Monstera deliciosa, Im pretty sure its a pothos vine, but i didnt look closely.

Gabe, the name you quoted is more appropriate for that vine than what I called it, for accuracy sake. I was unfamiliar with the various sub-classes of the Araceae family. When I called it M.D., I was alluding to my experience in the Philippines when I was 9 or 10 years old and I planted several cuttings of this "Water Plant" (pothos) in the ground alongside our house. After a year or so, the vines had grown 18" leaves and were climbing up the walls of the house, blooming and fruiting. Until college, I didn't even know that "Monstera" was a scientific name for a plant that resembled it. But since it looked so much like my plants, I thought they were one and the same. Evidently, I wasn't so far off. In fact if you look at this link, they even say they are synonymous:
http://zipcodezoo.com/Plants/E/Epipremnum_pinnatum.asp
The enclosed photo even confirms my memory of my plants. They looked exactly like it.

In Dave's Garden forum, they have some considerable discussion about the impropriety or propriety of the name of this plant, or it's various forms. http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/476583/

Suffice it to say, that if magicgreen wants a variegated climbing plant, whether it's a pothos vine or a Monstera Deliciosa, he'll have it.

mskitty38583
01-06-2008, 02:31 PM
thanks for the sites!!!

magicgreen
01-07-2008, 08:02 AM
Thanks for your help Chong.
And you are correct, i will find it and get it! LOL
It almost looks like vareigated petasites (coltsfoot)

Eric-Orlando,FL
01-07-2008, 08:27 AM
Nice plants. So far ours outside have done well, even after last weeks cold spell. Last Wed. the high was only 48F and it got down to 31F. It was also vey windy and very low dewpoints. The bananas and traveler's trees in open exposed areas around down have more wind burn than cold damage. Our Siam's are in a wind protected spot and seemed to have fared with little damage.

STEELVIPER
01-07-2008, 04:58 PM
So far it seems that the siam is a much tougher banana then i thought it would be. Good news.

magicgreen
01-07-2008, 08:58 PM
Gabe........Next time you are at that greenhouse or talk to that person, could you ask them what that plant is under the table? PLEASE!
It even could be var. EE

Tropicallvr
01-08-2008, 08:00 PM
Looks kinda like a varigated philidendron. They were all over the place in western Mexican landscapes.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7543&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7543&ppuser=35)

The green Siam ruby is really bright! Nice plants, Gabe.

mskitty38583
01-08-2008, 10:04 PM
got to get some of that plant!!!

chong
01-08-2008, 10:41 PM
Looks kinda like a varigated philidendron. They were all over the place in western Mexican landscapes.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7543&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7543&ppuser=35)

The green Siam ruby is really bright! Nice plants, Gabe.
The more common name for that plant climbing onto the palm tree is Monstera. Check out this URL: http://www.ccenassau.org/hort/fact_sheets/a111_philodendron_mar00.pdf and the accompanying illustration on the following excerpt:
Long-leaved types that require support on bark or totem poles. Philodendron pertusum (Correctly known as Monstera deliciosa) - Juvenile form has perforated leaves that are irregularly shaped. Adult form has broad, thick leaves with many perforations. Common name - Swiss Cheese plant. A-1-11 DWM/ln reviewed RT 3/00 Philodendron cordatum. Monstera deliciosa

Gabe15
01-08-2008, 11:51 PM
Although Iʻm no expert in Aroids, I know Monstera deliciosa very well and am certain the plant in my photo is not M. deliciosa. I know some people who know Aroids well and will try to get a proper ID.

MediaHound
01-09-2008, 01:19 AM
That calcium oxalate tastes 100 times worse than a 9-volt battery, but something similar I recall. I munched on an ariod clipping after my dog spit it out and shook her head a bit, she likes to chew palm fronds and mistakenly picked up a clipping of a "persian palm" or such ariod last year. I wondered why, so I tasted it myself. Big mistake!

Anyway, great looking Siam Rubies!
Mine big potted clump got fried a bit from the recent cold weather here.

bikoro child
01-09-2008, 02:16 AM
is the plant under the table scindapsus aureus?

Eric-Orlando,FL
01-09-2008, 08:48 AM
It is Epipremnum aureum, Golden Pothos Vine. This is the common houseplant with small variegated leaves but if it can climb the leaves can get 1-2ft. long. There is also a solid green form ('Emerald Queen') and one with white variegation ('Marble Queen'). It is very common in central and southern Florida where it will climb to the tops of the tallest trees. It is very common around here in Orlando. This is diffrent than Monstera deliciosa. They are both aroids but not the same plant. M. deliciosa also climbs and gets a bigger leaf, up to 3 ft.long and has perforations. Now this one is often mistakenly called split leaf philodendron. That is an entirely different plant, Philodendron bipinnatifidum (selloum). It is self heading and doesn't climb like a vine. Both of these are also very common in the warmer parts of Florida.

The first photo is E. aureum, the 2nd M. deliciosa, the 3rd P. bipinnatifidum;

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc37/Leu51/Vines/8d99.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc37/Leu51/Vines/7f4b.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc37/Leu51/Aroids/bed5.jpg

Bananaman88
01-09-2008, 01:26 PM
Although Iʻm no expert in Aroids, I know Monstera deliciosa very well and am certain the plant in my photo is not M. deliciosa. I know some people who know Aroids well and will try to get a proper ID.

I agree with Gabe; it doesn't look like Monstera to me either. I'm pretty sure that it is just a robust form of Pothos (Epipremnum) vine. I used to grow a variety that looked just like this several years ago. Just my two cents worth.

Gabe15
01-09-2008, 01:42 PM
Eric nailed it, thanks!

AnnaJW
01-11-2008, 04:00 AM
So far it seems that the siam is a much tougher banana then i thought it would be. Good news.

Mark,
I've still got my Siam outside under the patio table. Just been making a blanket cover around her at night. She has two leaves which are fading a bit, but a new leaf is pushing out. Which totally surprised me!

magicgreen
01-11-2008, 10:41 AM
Eric, Thankyou. I Hope to find this plant!!!!!!:2204:

Eric-Orlando,FL
01-11-2008, 10:51 AM
Eric, Thankyou. I Hope to find this plant!!!!!!:2204:

It should be easy to find, just about anywhere selling plants will have, check the floral section in your grocery store. To get big leaves like that the plant has to climb, either up something or along the ground.

MediaHound
01-11-2008, 12:08 PM
I've been training my Monstera to climb an Oak tree! It took pretty good to it, piece of cake. I can't wait till it looks like that picutre, thanks for posting Eric.

buzzwinder
01-11-2008, 06:27 PM
That calcium oxalate tastes 100 times worse than a 9-volt battery, but something similar I recall. I munched on an ariod clipping after my dog spit it out and shook her head a bit, she likes to chew palm fronds and mistakenly picked up a clipping of a "persian palm" or such ariod last year. I wondered why, so I tasted it myself. Big mistake!

Anyway, great looking Siam Rubies!
Mine big potted clump got fried a bit from the recent cold weather here.

Dude, "After the Dog spit it out" ? , as Larry the Cable Guy would say, I don'nt care who ya r that thar was funny!!!!!!!!! :nanadrink:

mskitty38583
01-11-2008, 11:24 PM
makes you wonder about mediahound dont it??? note to you: if the dog wont eat it maybe you shouldnt either. rotflmao!!!:rolleyes: :ha: :eek: :D

southlatropical
01-12-2008, 10:24 AM
The more common name for that plant climbing onto the palm tree is Monstera. Check out this URL: http://www.ccenassau.org/hort/fact_sheets/a111_philodendron_mar00.pdf and the accompanying illustration on the following excerpt:
Long-leaved types that require support on bark or totem poles. Philodendron pertusum (Correctly known as Monstera deliciosa) - Juvenile form has perforated leaves that are irregularly shaped. Adult form has broad, thick leaves with many perforations. Common name - Swiss Cheese plant. A-1-11 DWM/ln reviewed RT 3/00 Philodendron cordatum. Monstera deliciosa

The leaves of pothos vine can become very large when the vine begins to climb verically. There is a picture of pothos vine in another thread here in which the vine sprawling on the ground looks just like the common pothos found at nurseries and grocery stores around here. But the vines that are climbing vertically have large philo looking leaves. I saw these same vines growing up palm trees while on vacation in Mexico. When I returned home I began searching the web and asking questions on forums to determine what type of vine it was. Then one day I noticed the same vine, identical in appearance, growing up the side of a house near where I work. As I drove by slowly I noticed it was growing out of pot that was sitting on the ground. Again, the vines that sprawled across the ground had small leaves. And the vine climbing the house had large leaves identical to the ones pictured climbing the palm tree. Once the leaves become larger they can develope splits which make them appear similar to monstera, but a closer look reveals no windows, just splits in the leaves. There are of course variegated forms of monstera, but golden pothos is far more common. Here is a link to some pictures of golden pothos producing bigger leaves once it starts growing upward.
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/4681/

mskitty38583
01-13-2008, 08:48 PM
i found this in the hgt article i posted in the tiki hut.


(Monstera deliciosa)
Nothing says tropical foliage like Swiss cheese plant, appropriately named for its dissected foliage resembling the holes in a block of Swiss cheese. In tropical regions, Monstera produces an edible fruit that tastes like a combination of banana, mango and pineapple. The fruit can be used to flavor drinks and ice cream. The leaves of M. spruciana are used by the Shuar tribe in Amazonian Ecuador as an anti-inflammatory agent; according to ethnobotanist Dr. Bradley Bennett, it is thought to make an excellent treatment because its leaves are so large that, when heated, they can be applied to treat a large area of the body.
When grown as a houseplant, it may take a while to produce fruit, and the foliage may not be as large or dissected as it would be in its native habitat. However, it is quite attractive when grown in a hanging basket or trained to climb. It does not require lots of light or moisture but will be more vigorous if given ample sunlight and water. M. deliciosa albo-variegata has large dissected leaves with creamy-white and green variegation. USDA Zones 10 to 11.

got to get some of this plant!

CookieCows
01-13-2008, 08:54 PM
A beautiful vine and a chance at bearing fruit? Now I really want one .. already have it visualized in a nice plant hanger to start with!

bikoro child
01-13-2008, 09:37 PM
the only problem is the hardiness this plant freeze under -5°C (I'm sorry for fahrenheit but here in Europe we just use Celsius for the temperatures)

mskitty38583
01-13-2008, 09:48 PM
it does bear fruit. i want one too.

chong
01-14-2008, 12:31 AM
the only problem is the hardiness this plant freeze under -5°C (I'm sorry for fahrenheit but here in Europe we just use Celsius for the temperatures)

That's 23°F. Attached is a conversion software for a lot of things. If you are unable to open it, let me know and I'll see if I can send the executable file without zipping it. I just didn't see a *.exe file on the list of allowable files, so I zipped it just to be sure it goes thru.

MediaHound
01-14-2008, 01:24 AM
Don't forget about the built in calculators we have here on our website. If you click the search link in the navbar below the logo on the top of the page, you will see the calculators fold out.

MediaHound
01-14-2008, 01:28 AM
I love the Monstera fruit, it's great. When they are ripe, they flake apart - the green hexagons or so flake off to reveal the sweet flesh inside, its like a honeycomb pattern inside, and something like corn on the cob the way the flesh comes off the "cob".
After a good hurricane here you can sometimes find them laying around with the debris. You can also find them if you just look for them, now that you know what to look for ;)

Zac in NC
01-26-2008, 03:25 PM
Although Iʻm no expert in Aroids, I know Monstera deliciosa very well and am certain the plant in my photo is not M. deliciosa. I know some people who know Aroids well and will try to get a proper ID.

Yes, it is more mature foliage of Pothos, Epipremnum pinnatum 'Aureum', aka Epipremnum aureum. Monstera deliciosa is something completely different.

Gabe, I can see this pic. I don't know why it wouldn't show it to me in AIM +.

Zac