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George
11-15-2007, 08:46 AM
HI
Help how do I over winter in Spain? I saw on English TV that the leaves were cut off and straw placed around the stem, also when should the fruit appear?
Thanks
George
the flying dutchman
11-15-2007, 05:29 PM
Hi George, yes thats a good method with the straw. When they will bloom
is hard to say, it depends on the type as well. Some are faster, others
take longer.
Saludos
Ron
George
11-16-2007, 05:32 AM
Hi Ron
when should I cut the leaves off or should I not? Also there are three pups ranging from eight inches to about four foot should they be covered and the leaves removed?
Thanks
George
the flying dutchman
11-16-2007, 07:55 AM
Remove all the leaves also from the pups and cover as much as possible, put a bag or so on top to keep it as dry as possible.
ron
George
11-16-2007, 11:25 AM
Thanks Ron, at what time of year should I do all of this as one of the pups is still growing leaves?
George
barna
11-16-2007, 03:10 PM
Hola Gorge,
I saw from the members map you are southern then me. My lowest temperatures in winter are -6ºC but only a couple of nights. Now we have -2ºC but temperatures below 0ªC are usually only a few weeks during winter.
I keep my big plants with no protection and i let the death leaves cover the stem and help to protect it. The smaller one are protected with a cylinder made on plastic net and filled with straw
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=2030&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2030)
This work yo me for most of the so called cold-hardy bananas (basjoo, sikkimensis, nagensium, chesmanii, yunnanensis) This winter will be the first for some other species (rubinea, maclayii, basjo 'rubra', itinerans, E. glaucum)
I will post some pictures later this winter.
I hope this helps
Conrad
George
11-17-2007, 03:00 AM
Hi Conrad
Thanks for your help and pictures I think I will have to try and get some netting and straw.
George
Fernando
11-19-2007, 06:05 PM
Hola George,
This is the first time that I write in this forum.
I have seen you live in Spain, in Albox. It is in the same region than me. I think it is not very cold in winter.
I live in Cordoba. It is Mediterranean - Z9b although the centre of the city is several degrees higher and here it is frost-free. In any case, the temperatures go down below +5 ºC / 41 ºF very often in winter (until +1 ºC / 34 ºF) and I have to protect the tender plants in similar way as Barna shows. Yesterday night it was very cold and it is not common in November. It went down to +2 ºC / 35,6 ºF. I was not prepared and the plants were not protected. Some plants were slightly damaged. The worst thing is that I had not cut the irrigation yet and several plants with rhizome could be affected (curcumas, heliconias, musas…).
Saludos,
Fernando
barna
11-19-2007, 06:07 PM
Hi All,
I get a disaster in my Garden, temperatures suddenly dropped to -4ºC which is totally unusual in November. :coldbanana:
Unfortunately I had not yet protected and they are all completely burned excepted for the Basjoo. I hope the steam is still OK but I will need to wait for some month until spring is coming to know if I lost some of my 'nice' plants. Fortunately they were completely dry and I hope the rhizome will be not affected,
I will have to wait to know what I have really lost.
Other plants like Costus or Zinziber were also heavy burned.:2190:
I am a little depressed :( but I also know my Alpinias can survive this temperatures with a very few damage. At lest a good new
George,
I hope your temperatures were not so cold or you already had the plant protected. If not do it as soon as possible ¡¡
Conrad
the flying dutchman
11-19-2007, 07:57 PM
That is really strange Conrad, we have not had that low-temps here, i hope
your plants will survive, my alpinia is in a pot in the greenhouse now because I know the corm can survive low temps but it will not flower when it is damaged by frosts.
Good luck
Ron
barna
11-20-2007, 04:08 PM
I know it is difficult to believe but after this low temperatures all my Alpinias are OK only a few have just part of its leaves burned, but their stems are OK
The species I keep are:
Alpinia sp (it is similar to katsumadai but I do not know the species)
Alpinia formosana 'Pinstripe'
Alpinia henryi 'Pink perfection'
Alpinia katsumadai
Alpinia latilabris 'Giant Pink Shell' (this is the most affected)
Alpinia zerumbet
Alpinia zerumbet "Variegated"
Strange but true
Conrad
carlo_musa
11-23-2007, 03:57 AM
Hi!!
I live in Alicante near the sea, and my bananas are good yet but with protection. :birthdaynana:
In winter the temperature can fall even -1ºC, and the leaves are burned.
where I can obtain musa basjoo in spain??????????????????
gracias a todos and sorry for my bad english:04:
George
11-23-2007, 04:33 AM
HI Carlo
I live in Albox about an hour and a half from you and a bit in the mountains where it dose get cold at times but thanks to others on the site I now have done the same as them and enclosed in straw. Sorry I don't know what type of banana I have I just saw it in a garden centre in Veria about ten Kilomitors away.
George
Fernando
11-23-2007, 05:23 AM
Hola Carlo
I think you could find the Musa basjoo in www.floradeltropico.com (609734686). This musa does not appear in his web but if you telephone him or send an e-mail he will answer to you. Also, another nursery, www.viveroseljardin.com, has some musas and others interesting plants.
Un saludo desde Cordoba,
Fernando
carlo_musa
11-23-2007, 07:40 AM
muchas gracias a los dos.
compré una musa velutina de viveros el jardin y heliconias de floradeltropico.com, las heliconias no van muy bien ya que se están secando las hojas. de todas formas mandaré un correo para ver si me pueden ayudar.
protegí los pseudotallos con plastico y venda de algodón para el invierno.
un abrazo:2721:
mskitty38583
11-23-2007, 09:54 AM
hola, carlo y fernando
buenos días. ¿cómo están ustedes? hablo español un poco. soy una estudiante y estudio español. no, no hablo español muy bien. gusto en conocerlo. adiós. :hiiiiyanana:
carlo_musa
11-24-2007, 07:46 AM
hablas muy bien español mskitty:2222:
Mark Hall
11-24-2007, 04:16 PM
Conrad if you get Maclayii thru the winter would you be up for swapping a pup ???
I am in the UK.
barna
11-24-2007, 05:36 PM
Hola Carlo,
I have got my M. basjoo from la bambouseraie in France and from Kobakoba in UK (Sakhalin form). It is a very easy plant to find and I am sure the nurseries Fernado mentioned can have it. You can also check e-bay
Hi Mark
I will be pleased to swap with you a pup o my M. maclayi maclayi but you must keep your fingers crossed until spring :)
Conrad
carlo_musa
11-27-2007, 03:00 AM
Thank you very much, but, m. basjoo could survive a spanish winter??
hasta la vista
Mark Hall
11-27-2007, 04:38 AM
Carlos we had a few -7 last winter and my larger ones were not affected by it just the leaves went brown and shrivelled the smaller ones four foot size were cut back down to ground level and grew back in the spring. None of mine werte wrapped either.
carlo_musa
11-27-2007, 08:51 AM
really?? it is wonderful!!!
I am scared for the cold!!
carlo_musa
11-27-2007, 08:58 AM
hi Barna!!!!!!!
have you got alpinias?? are they strong in winter?? Im thinking to buy an alpinia purpurata...
que opinas??
Fernando
11-27-2007, 09:39 AM
Hola Calo,
You could have several alpinias without any trouble (Alpinia zerumbet, Alpinia katsumadai, Alpinia formosana…) but I think Alpinia purpurata is too tender for us. I have killed them three times. Now, I have two but they are very weak.
Saludos,
Fernando
carlo_musa
11-27-2007, 10:40 AM
hola Fernando,
I ve some heliconias too. they are minirostrata, and the leaves are going bad, they are yellow, they are drying, but only the leaves, the stem is green yet.
que pasa????????????
Exotic Life
11-30-2007, 06:49 AM
Thank you very much, but, m. basjoo could survive a spanish winter??
hasta la vista
They can also survive a Netherlands winter... Since i have my basjoo in the ground, i have take 2 winters als lowest tempeture -6C and they don't lost a large piece of the trunc. Last winter my lowest tempeture was -2,8C then in januari the leaves still hanging on my banana half green.
This year i have also get no hard frost yet! I have 2 times frost so far, only a -0,3 and -0,6 and the basjoo still looking half green :)
Robbin
carlosfv
11-30-2007, 01:54 PM
Hi for all the people
I live in Santander Z9b-10a (very exceptional below 0ºC) in the city, but in th country when i have my garden (5 km from the sea coast) the frosts occur in winter (only in the days without clouds). This fall the frost are very early and are hardy frost (in ten years I never seen in november -5ºC for three or four nigths. Usually in this month the minimum temperatures I recorded range between 0 or 1ºC)
tbe effect of these frosts are desastrous for my subtropicals. All leves are burned and fall form the tree. However today I´m very amazing surprisely becuase my musas (basjoos and sikkim) without protection sprout again.
I send pictures from today
a musas group (rigth to left) sikkim, basjoos and the smalls are velutina and one from USA that i don´t know a that species belonging.
the other two pictures show the new sprouting from basjoo and sikkim
on the other hand usually I don´t cover my musas and I don´t remove the burned leves fron the psudostem (a natural wrap)
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carlosfv
11-30-2007, 02:09 PM
I´m again
sorry the pictures lost in the way
here are again
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6996&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6996)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6995&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6995)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6994&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6994)
barna
11-30-2007, 05:59 PM
Hola Carlo Musa
I think all the Alpinias I mentioned in my previous post (except maybe A. latilabris) can survive in your area.
I agree with Fernando A. purpurata being too sensitive for outdoor culture in your area.
I have M basjoo, sikkimensis, nagensium 'Florale Noir' and cheesmanii planted in my garden and survived at least one winter (some has passed their third one). The smallest had the ‘straw's cylinder protection’ and the bigger had no one
I have about 30 different Heliconias (including mini-rostrata) and they are really difficult to keep in good conditions in my area. Summers are to dry and I have to enter indoors during winter. During this time I have to regularly treat them again fungus and spider mite. Only two have flowered for me until now. There are not easy plants and in my experience yellow leaves can be related with many different problems
Hi Carlosfv
Nice to see you here again ¡¡
I also had the disgusting experience to see nice tropicals looking like boiled vegetables after a frost. There was an unexpected early frost this year. I hope your plants are not growing to much as they can probably suffer other frozen temperatures during the next months. I would recommend you to treat them with a fungicide (for example Daconil) to avoid fungus problems in your new growing leaves.
I use the same technique as you not removing the death leaves in my big bananas, but I use some protection in my smaller ones.
carlo_musa
12-01-2007, 04:38 AM
Thank you Barna,
Im Igree with you, heliconias are not very easy to cultive in this areas.
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