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Randy4ut
10-12-2007, 03:58 PM
The first bunch that I harvested have been cleaned, WHEW!!! and ready to go out... I think I will just clean them the old fashioned way. Here's what I did:
I soaked the fruit in water for about 4 days after I halved them. Last night I spent about 2 hours at the kitchen sink carefully peeling the fruit back by the outer layer, scraping the seeds as I went. I tried to minimize the amount of pulp that went with the seeds. Afterward, I strained them while running water over them. The pulp did not want to rinse through the strainer, so I picke as much of it out as I could. I then placed the seeds on a screen out in the garage to dry overnight. This morning, I took all the seeds and placed them in a tube with some sand in it, capped it and shook the dickens out of it. After about 5 minutes, I screened the sand off and they were done. All in all, they are cleaner and in alot better shape than the ones I ran through a blender last year, so hopefully you folks can have better luck with them germinating. I will be shipping them out by the first of next week and we be sending each of you an e-mail for notification... I plan on sending at least 100 seeds to everyone so you can try different techniques to see which works best. Like I asked, please submit feedback on your techniques and germination rates so others can learn from each other. Hopefully, we can start a thread on this so we can all learn more about this GREAT little nanner!!!
:twonanners: :twonanners: :twonanners: :2691: :0488: :2691: :twonanners: :twonanners: :twonanners:
Hey all,
This is the thread I started and wanted everyone that got some of the seeds to contribute to it. Any info you can share with others on successes and failures would be good to share. With a minumum of 100 seeds apiece, we should get some good trials going on. SHARE THE INFO!!!!
klemmthamm
10-12-2007, 09:54 PM
Thank you Randy! I am going to donate some of the plants that come from these seeds (when I get back, and the plants are robust enough to take a winter with little protection) to a community garden here in Sand Springs in honor of all of my fallen comrades and all who have given the the greatest sacrifice in service to their fellow man.
Thank you again,
James
Randy4ut
10-12-2007, 10:10 PM
Thank you Randy! I am going to donate some of the plants that come from these seeds (when I get back, and the plants are robust enough to take a winter with little protection) to a community garden here in Sand Springs in honor of all of my fallen comrades and all who have given the the greatest sacrifice in service to their fellow man.
Thank you again,
James
That has to be the best gesture I could have ever thought of. When you get a chance, hollar at me by pm or e-mail, I have something that I would like to share with you... God bless you and the others that are sacrificing everything for us!!! Take care and keep in touch...
Randy
BGreen
10-12-2007, 10:50 PM
Randy, thank you again.
This should be a very interesting trial / experiment.
I have a few ideas to try. I am thinking 5 different methods of 20 seeds each then? Does that sound about right to everyone?
James you be safe. I have a lot of friends in the millitary and can't thank you enough for the jobs you guys are doing. Your about 4 hours from me and 2hours from my in-laws so if you need someone to help care for the bananas
let me know
klemmthamm
10-12-2007, 11:07 PM
I appreciate that Ben... I have a little while longer at home so I should be good till spring (everything dug/brought inside)... I will be able to get online every now and then over there so I will be able to send out a banana SOS if need be, lol :D But you are always welcome to visit anyway!
-James-
BGreen
10-13-2007, 07:41 PM
I found the information below that may help with the "Randy Velutina Seed Trials", lol
Bioversity International: Musaceae (http://www.bioversityinternational.org/publications/Web_version/52/ch34.htm)
CHAPTER 49. MUSACEAE
The Musaceae comprise about 100 species of partly woody plants within about six genera which provide edible fruits (e.g. Musa accuminata Colla, banana) and fibres (e.g. Musa textilis Nee, Manila hemp). The fruits are berries and seed storage behaviour is orthodox.
SEED DORMANCY AND GERMINATION
The seeds have linear embryos, copious endosperm and a thick hard testa. Dormancy per se (that is innate seed dormancy, see Chapter 5, Volume I) is a problem (sometimes severe) in germination tests and in addition the thick hard testa can act as a barrier to germination. Chipping the testa and testing in alternating temperature regimes promote seed germination. Detailed information on seed dormancy and germination is provided in this chapter for the genus Musa only, although a comment on Ensete is also included in this section.
MUSA
M. acuminata Colla
banana
M. balbisiana Colla
banana
M. textilis Née
abaca, Manila hemp
I. Evidence of dormancy
Promoting the germination of banana seeds is difficult in plant breeding (1,4-6). The germination of intact seeds is either unsuccessful (1), or erratic with only low proportions of seeds germinating (4). The low germination reported for banana seeds is due to the degree of maturity of the seed when extracted from the fruit (5,6), and in particular to dormancy - as the following examples of after-ripening demonstrate. Storage of seeds of M. balbisiana in a desiccator at room temperature for 3 months resulted in an increase in germination from 73% to 95% (5). In M. acuminata and M. balbisiana germination increased from 28% to 84% and 86% respectively, after 6 months storage in an atmosphere of 5% carbon dioxide at room temperature (6). Whilst 2 year old seeds of M. balbisiana did not germinate at all at any constant temperatures after 5 months in test, 99% of seeds germinated in satisfactory alternating temperature regimes (7). Moreover seeds buried in the soil can remain dormant for a year (6) or more (4). Seeds of the closely related Ensete spp. may survive for up to 25 years in soil and still germinate after disturbance (6). The above examples of loss in dormancy with after-ripening treatments also demonstrate that Musa spp. seeds show orthodox storage characteristics.
II. Germination regimes for non-dormant seeds
M. balbasiana
Alternating temperatures: 20°/35°C, 27°/32°C (19h/5h) (7)
III. Unsuccessful dormancy-breaking treatments
M. acuminata
Pre-dry: sun, desiccator, 1w (5)
Pre-soak: 1-4w, in light or dark (5)
M. balbisiana
Constant temperatures: 28°C, 32°C, 38°C (7); 18°-35°C (8); 25°-40°C (9)
Alternating temperatures: 4°/27°C, 4°/32°C, 4°/35°C, 27°/4°C, 32°/4°C, 27°/12°C, 35°/12°C, 27°/15°C, 35°/15°C, 27°/18°C, 32°/27°C (19h/5h) (7)
Pre-chill: (9); 10°C, 4d (5); 4°C, 80d (7)
Pre-dry: sun, desiccator, 1w (5); 60°C, 4d (5); scorch (5)
Pre-soak: 12h (2); 2d (5); 1-4w, in light or dark (5); 2d, then dry, 2d (5); 2-192h (9)
Pre-wash: 2-192h (9)
Scarification: chip (5); concentrated sulphuric acid, 8-64 min (5)
Ethanol: (6); 5, 30, 95, 100%, 5s (9)
Carbon tetrachloride: 5s (9)
Mercuric chloride: pre-applied, 1-50 min, 10-4, 10-2 M (6)
Acetone: 5s (9)
Ethyl acetate: 5s (9)
Hydrogen peroxide: pre-applied, 24,48h, 1% (9)
Ultrasonics: 5,60,300s (2)
M. textilis
Pre-dry: sun, 24-72h (10)
Pre-soak: 30°C, 40°C, 50°C, 1-20 min (10); 60°C, 5, 10 min (10); 70°C, 5-15 min (10); 80°C, 100°C (10)
Scarification: hand (11); concentrated sulphuric acid, 0.5-3h (10); sulphuric acid, 3, 6 N, 0.5-3h (10); concentrated hydrochloric acid, 0.5-3h (10); hydrochloric acid, 3, 6 N, 0.5-3h (10); concentrated nitric acid, 0.5-3h (10); nitric acid, 3, 6 N, 0.5-3h (10)
Sodium hydroxide: pre-applied, 24h, 0.5-5% (11)
IV. Partly-successful dormancy-breaking treatments
M. acuminata
Pre-dry: sun, 3d (5)
M. balbisiana
Alternating temperatures: 12°-18°/27°-35°C, 27°/32°C, 27°/35°C, 35°/4°C, 35°/18°C, 35°/27°C, 32°/12°C, 32°/15°C, 32°/18°C (19h/5h) (7); 24°/37°C, 18°/32°C (19h/5h) (8)
Pre-chill: 15°C, 4m (7); 12°C, 3,4m, germinate at 20°/35°C (16h/8h) (7)
Warm stratification: 28°C, 32°C, 38°C, 6w, germinate at 19°/28°C, 19°/32°C, 19°/38°C (19h/5h) (7)
Pre-dry: whole fruit, 45°C, 4d (6)
Scarification: concentrated sulphuric acid, 2,4 min (5); sulphuric acid, 50%, 30 min (9); concentrated nitric acid, 15 min (9); sodium hydroxide, 10%, 2,4h (9); hydrogen chloride, 20%, 1h (9); mechanical (8,9)
Ultrasonics: 30s (2) pH: 5.2-6.3 (3)
Light: daylight (5); 12h/d (9)
M. textilis
Warm stratification: 2-4m (11)
Pre-soak: 16h (4)
V. Successful dormancy-breaking treatments
M. balbisiana
Alternating temperatures: 18°/35°C (12-19h/12-5h) (7)
Warm stratification: 27°C, 32°C, 4m, germinate at 20°/35°C (19h/5h) (7)
Pre-soak: 24h (12); 24h, then warm stratification (12)
Removal of seed covering structures: excise embryo (1,8); chip (9); chip, germinate at 27°/32°C, 18°/32°C (19h/5h) (7)
Scarification: concentrated sulphuric acid, 2-16 min, continue test for 5m (5)
VI. Comment
It is essential that banana seeds be tested for germination in alternating temperature regimes. Constant temperatures outside the range 10°-37°C result in seed death (7). Within this range virtually no germination occurs in dormant seeds(7), but the seeds will subsequently germinate after transfer to a suitable alternating temperature regime (7). A fairly large amplitude is required for full germination: 12°/35°C or 15°/35°C (19h/5h) are probably the most suitable (7), but 18°/35°C (19h/5h) could be used provided the germination test period is extended to 49 days (7). Chipping imbibed seeds in the germination test may result in more rapid germination (7,9). Where the seeds do not exhibit dormancy they will germinate within about 3 weeks when tested in sand at 25° to 30°C.
VII. References
1. Cox, E.A., Stotzky, G. and Goos, R.D. (1960). In vitro culture of Musa balbisiana Colla embryos. Nature, 185, 403-404.
2. Perry, L.P. and Boodley, J.W. (1980). Germination of foliage plant seeds in response to pre-sowing ultrasonic exposures, water soaks and fungicides. HortScience, 15, 192-194.
3. Perry, L.P. and Boodley, J.W. (1980). Germination of foliage plant seeds in response to sowing media, depths of sowing, pH levels and medium temperatures. HortScience, 15, 194-196.
4. Purseglove, J.W. (1972). Tropical Crops. Monocotyledons, pp. 361, Longman, London.
5. Simmonds, N.W. (1952). The germination of banana seeds. Tropical Agriculture, Trinidad, 29, 35-49.
6. Simmonds, N.W. (1959). Experiments on the germination of banana seeds. Tropical Agriculture, Trinidad, 36, 259-274.
7. Stotzky, G. and Cox. E.A. (1962). Seed germination studies in Musa. II. Alternating temperature requirement for the germination of Musa balbisiana. American Journal of Botany, 49, 763-770.
8. Stotzky, G., Cox, E.A., and Goos, R.D. (1961). Alternating temperature requirements for the germination of Musa balbisiana Colla seeds. Plant Physiology, 36, 21-22.
9. Stotzky, G., Cox, E.A. and Goos, R.D. (1962). Seed germination studies in Musa. I, Scarification and aspetic germination of Musa balbisiana. American Journal of Botany, 49, 515-520.
10. Ferrer, L.G. and Espino, R.B. (1923). A study on the germination of abaca seeds. Philippine Agriculturist, 12, 101-110.
11. Ricahuerta, J.R. (1952). Germination and viability study of seven abaca varieties. Philippine Agriculturist, 35, 504-511.
12. Riley, J.M. (1981). Growing rare fruit from seed. California Rare Fruit Growers Yearbook, 13, 1-47.
Randy4ut
10-14-2007, 07:17 AM
Ben,
Looks like you are going to need some more seeds if you are going to try all of them, huh!?!?! Hopefully it will not take that long to germinate... Interesting stuff though...
BGreen
10-14-2007, 03:16 PM
I don't have the room to try all those methods, lol
I just wanted to post some ideas for people. It would be nice if the seeds germinated like the yucca I just tried. In less than a week in a baggy I had close to 50% germinate. Not real sure I want to mess with the 200+ extras I have now, lol
magicgreen
10-14-2007, 09:52 PM
:2623: Hi all, just read these post & Iam very excited, and looking forward to receiving my seeds! :2780: I just started taking a short course on Community gardening at the Cint. Civic center, and as soon as I read about the seeds, I thought that a community garden might be a GREAT place to grow a nanner. { And learn more stuff}Ive been researching different seed starting methods. But me thinks my bathroom is going to be one experiment. The light is great and so is the temp. And I'll also try one of my dryer areas of the house. Can't wait to hear all the experiments ! I am a Veteran also.....And Brother I will Pray for you! God Bless, and Good Luck to Everyone growing new babies from scratch!!!!!!!! MagicGreen .... :simpatica
klemmthamm
10-15-2007, 05:48 AM
Your prayers are appreciated MG. And I love community gardens... they allow people who may not be able to garden (health, apartments, etc.) to enjoy the beauty of nature that they otherwise may not have been able to enjoy. If I had the money I would buy a few vacant lots around my town and start a few more.
Good luck with the seeds and I look forward to hearing about everyone's experiences with them.
-James-
Randy4ut
10-15-2007, 11:13 AM
Just wanted to give a quick update to the second batch of seeds that I will be harvesting. Today, I took one banana that was just starting to open to work with me and a good friend of mine and I cut into 3 small pieces and placed it into warm water with coarse grade sand. We then placed the beaker into the ultrasonic bath with warm water. After about 3 hours, the seeds were almost completely separated from the pulp. The ones that were not, were easily removed by hand with no pulp attached. Talking about easy. I am wondering if the same could be done with a "jewelry cleaner"? I know that a jewelry cleaner is alot smaller but the principle would be the same, right? Tomorrow, we will be "smashing" the banana into just pulp to see if time can be reduced. We will also be trying to have a more concentrated slurry of sand and water... May even place some in a centrifuge to try and separate?
I was just wondering if anyone has ever tried a food dehydrator to dry out the fruit and then remove the seeds? Would this be a possibility?
Like I said above, just wanted to update on next batch. If there is anyone that would like to get in on this little trial, let me know and I will be more than happy to send you some seeds to start out with...
Randy
Randy4ut
10-15-2007, 09:08 PM
I moved this quote from the "cleaning seeds" post:
Got the seeds today!!! I am trying just a couple of different methods...
1.)seeds straight into potting mix (miracle grow mix)
a.)without soaking
b.)soaked for 24 hours
c.)soaked for 48 hours
2.)seeds into seed starting jelly stuff (resembles stuff from silica packs)
a.)without soaking
b.)soaked for 24 hours
c.)soaked for 48 hours
My setup isn't all that technical or neat I guess but I am really curious on how the soaking and substrate effect the germination.
-James-
D_&_T
10-15-2007, 09:25 PM
was hoping to find nanner seeds at home today, but no one went to check our PO box:confused:
Dan
Lard Greystoke
10-16-2007, 12:32 AM
Received my seeds today. Plan to divide into 5 sections as follows:
1) Store 20 under cool, dry conditions & plant in spring.
2) Soak 40 in plain water 36 hours.
3) Soak 40 in water with detergent added, 36 hours.
Of the 80 soaked seeds, plant 1/2 of each in potting soil mix, and 1/2 in a stratified mix of damp soil on bottom, dry sand in the middle containing the seeds and damp soil on top.
Thanks to Randy for all the hard work he has put into this.
Randy4ut
10-16-2007, 04:48 PM
Moved from "Musa velutina seeds" thread on "For Sale" forum...
Thanks Isaac, for the notice... Keep us informed...
Re: Musa velutina seeds...
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The seeds arrived today. I put them in a clear plastic container after soaking them in water for two hours. They are in Miracle Grow 'Moisture Control' potting soil outdoors with the lid on. They will recieve direct sunlight in the morning hours and should see a change of temp around 20*F per day. Thank you again for being so generous and taking the time to send the seeds. I will post an update whenever I have to move them indoors for winter.
Isaac
D_&_T
10-16-2007, 06:28 PM
found the mailer in box tonight:2784:
so we will work on growing them shortly
Dan & Tara
RobG7aChattTN
10-16-2007, 07:29 PM
Last year I got some seeds form Randy and immediately put them in a community pot in Miracle Grow potting soil. Nothing happened and I moved the pot inside the garage for the winter. It was about 60*F or so over the winter. Then I read about varying the temps. I already had a plastic tub with needle palm seeds in it. It had constant heat on the bottom and a light bulb shining down in the box to raise the temps for a few hours a day. I put the seeds in a zip lock baggie on top of this so there would be residual heat from the light bulb for 4 hours a day and then the seeds would cool back down to 60*F. I assume that the heated four hours was in the mid-80's. Let's just call it 86*F. Anyway, this was in early April and within a few days there were seeds germinating all over the place. I dumped them out to pick out the germinated seeds and found that there were hundreds. I just dumped them on top of some Miracle Grow potting soil in a pot and put about a half and inch of potting soil over them and watered them well. We had that early warm spell and then I pulled them into the garage for the cold snap. I got tons but lost almost all of them later in the year after they had been overcrouded almost all summer and then planted out in full sun and extreme heat. I'll try again next year and plant them out early.
D_&_T
10-16-2007, 07:40 PM
does anyone know if which side of seed is turn up matter?:bungejumpnaner:
one side is black and other is tan in color
Dan
Randy4ut
10-16-2007, 08:03 PM
Pulled this up from last year's experiment done by a gentleman using some of the velutina seeds I supplied him. I wish he would try again this year with some of the seeds I have because the ones last year I honestly think contained alot of damaged seeds due to my using a blender to try and separate the pulp. Allen, are you out there!?!?!
Anyway, here is a link to his experiment and some great info from, who else but, Gabe and BigDog!!!
http://www.bananas.org/showthread.php?t=1526&highlight=anatomy+of+a+seed
Randy4ut
10-16-2007, 08:04 PM
Last year I got some seeds form Randy and immediately put them in a community pot in Miracle Grow potting soil. Nothing happened and I moved the pot inside the garage for the winter. It was about 60*F or so over the winter. Then I read about varying the temps. I already had a plastic tub with needle palm seeds in it. It had constant heat on the bottom and a light bulb shining down in the box to raise the temps for a few hours a day. I put the seeds in a zip lock baggie on top of this so there would be residual heat from the light bulb for 4 hours a day and then the seeds would cool back down to 60*F. I assume that the heated four hours was in the mid-80's. Let's just call it 86*F. Anyway, this was in early April and within a few days there were seeds germinating all over the place. I dumped them out to pick out the germinated seeds and found that there were hundreds. I just dumped them on top of some Miracle Grow potting soil in a pot and put about a half and inch of potting soil over them and watered them well. We had that early warm spell and then I pulled them into the garage for the cold snap. I got tons but lost almost all of them later in the year after they had been overcrouded almost all summer and then planted out in full sun and extreme heat. I'll try again next year and plant them out early.
Rob,
Thanks for your input... Hopefully these seeds I have for you will do even better than last's...
Banana_Bill
10-16-2007, 09:03 PM
Hey Randy,
I received my seeds today. :scroll: Thanks for being so generous. I start trying to germinated them tomorrow. I am still trying to decide which methods I am going to try. This thread was a great idea.
Bill
BGreen
10-16-2007, 09:35 PM
I just read AllenF's posts. I am wondering if water temps over 100F killed the seed embryo. In the article from American Journal of Botany article link (http://www.bananas.org/showthread.php?t=2725) it said temps over 38C killed the embryo or highly reduced the germination rate.
magicgreen
10-17-2007, 04:31 AM
:2735: I got my seeds :2723: I got my SEEDS!!!!! I havent done anything yet. Iam absorbing info abt them. Cuz trust me, Iam a newbie to nanna growing, and dont want to fail! But for my 1st experiment,i'll trust my gardeners instinct and put 10 seeds between approx. 5 paper towels, folded, and soaked with water. These will be put in a baggie in my warm bathroom. Oh yea, thanks ALL of you for the great seed starting info :2688: . Gotta go and blanket up my nanna seeds. I'll report back soon. Everyone Have a great day! MagicGreen...................................
D_&_T
10-17-2007, 05:56 AM
here is another thread I seen that could useful!
http://www.bananas.org/showthread.php?t=970
Dan
magicgreen
10-17-2007, 07:25 AM
Thanks d&t for the info. My 2nd experiment will be........putting 3 seeds in regular miracle grow potting soil with a lil' play sand mixed in. I'll then moisten the soil and put the pot in a lrg baggie , in a dry area of the house. My 3rd experiment is to again wet paper towels, put in 10 seeds, into a baggie; but this one will be put outside for 2 days, maybe 3. Somewhere I read about the seeds needing some lower temps. So here in z6 its still abt 70degs daytime, and nites abt 40degs. So all day they'll be in the sun, and at nite theyll get the chill factor!:2723: I love this site. Magicgreen :nanerwizard:
Randy4ut
10-18-2007, 07:07 PM
Just got this post from a gentleman I sent some seeds to him last year. Thought you might like to see how long some of his seeds took to germinate...
"I planted 24 of the seeds that Randy sent me last year in a 24 cell seed starter tray. 6 of them germinated, some of them not until August of this year. I'll get some pics posted one of these days Randy. My largest has been moved 3 times and also suffered some sort of bug damage, but I'll get pics posted as soon as I take some."
BTW...This guy lives in Pittsburgh, PA
And yet another reply from a good friend of mine in SC...
Randy...MY Musa Velutina Seeds Sprouted!!! (from LAST year!!)
Posted by Sean in York,SC on 10/18/2007, 8:32 pm
I couldn't believe it.... They took their sweet old time, but they came up in the last week or so.... all at once... very strange... I must have sown them nearly a year ago..I had really written them off..shows what I know. Did you already run out of this years seed?
Randy4ut
10-18-2007, 09:26 PM
BGREEN's post on "cleaning seeds", thread:
On my end,
I started to soak all my seeds in the neat little baggy they arrived in on Monday night. When I cam home Tues I found the bag had tipped on it's side and drained out all the water.
Split the seeds 50/50 and nicked (scarified) group #1 and let group #2 alone.
Soaked the seeds for 48hrs
Location #1 (an old terrarium) Temp is raised during the day from overhead lamp to 80f-82F and cools to 67f-70f at night. Light is on 14hrs per day. Placed 50% (25 seeds) from group #1 and #2 on a moist paper towels folded over and placed in same ziplock bag. So they have the same temps and humidity.
Location #2 (garage seed station) Temps raised 10F over ambient temperature by seed germination mat. 12hrs on/ 12hrs off
Temps range mid 80's during the day and low 60's at night.
Seeds are place on moist perlite in plastic tubs.
__________________
Take care,
BGreen
southlatropical
10-19-2007, 02:37 PM
Tomorrow the forcast is a daytime high of 85* and a low of 55* at night. What temp is too cold for the seeds to germinate? And is 30* too much of a swing in temp? I have mine outside in a clear plastic container with the lid on. It gets hit by direct sun about 2 hours a day.
wamstick
10-19-2007, 04:51 PM
Hey Randy--you got amy more of them Velutina Seeds? Would sure like to try my hands of them.
AllenF
10-22-2007, 01:09 PM
After a rough summer, I have been up to my A** in alligators trying to catchup with the yard. I missed the earlier comments as I was neglecting this site but Randy emailed me. He is sending me more seed from this years crop so that I can try again.
Thanks again Randy
Allen
Dean W.
10-22-2007, 03:41 PM
Randy,
I recieved the seeds today!:2791: I'll do my best to keep other informed here to my progress. This is the first time I've attempted to grow bananas from seed so the results should be interesting.
Dean
Dean W.
10-22-2007, 03:46 PM
Oh and you also did a great job cleaning them.
Dean
Dean W.
10-22-2007, 04:41 PM
Okay! I started the experiment.
1.) 20 soaked 48 hrs in a seaweed water soultion then w/ in a clear container w/ moistened vermiculite (at a south window).
2.) 20 are in moistened perlite w/in a clear container (at a south window seal).
D_&_T
10-22-2007, 08:15 PM
heres how we planted seeds
1. 15 in a 1 gallon baggy with wet towels no soaking
2. 40 soaked 24 hours plant 18 in organic potting soil, 18 in moisture controlled potting mix all placed in a bag,
last 4 planted in same soils left in to room air
3. 40 soaked 36 hours planted same as #2
4. 40 soaked 48 hours planted same as #2
tomorrow leave lamp on over them to raise temp during day, off over night
Dan & Tara
Randy4ut
10-22-2007, 08:54 PM
The gentleman living in Pittsburgh that tried some seeds from last year finally showed me a pic on one of my babies, he got to germinate and I thought I would post it and show it off. Wish I had cigars for everyone!!! LOL
http://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/msg/1193099978.html
Bch Grl
10-22-2007, 09:39 PM
You guys are all so cute..being so careful and loving to your seeds!
I had so many, I couldn't give them away to all my friends! (Before I found this group) So, I just mushed up the little nanners and threw them on the ground under the mom plant, under the shade of a Pygmy Date Palm. Water them when I remember, and "Tadah!" there are little babies all over the place!:bananarow:
But then it got really hot and dry and lost almost all. :2717:
Potted up the remainder (4) and now they are safe till next spring!:2739:
Margie
microfarmer
10-22-2007, 10:38 PM
I got mine too...Thank you!
Now to set up the germination chamber.
Old aquarium (Iguanarium)...check
florescent light...check
heating pad...still stuck to the aquarium...check
timer...check
sixpac containers...check
growing media...
honey, I gotta go to Home Depot...again...
yes, I need more potting mix...:0519:
Keep y'all posted...
Randy4ut
10-23-2007, 12:39 PM
Okay! I started the experiment.
1.) 20 soaking in a seaweed water soultion.
2.) 20 are in moistened perlite w/in a clear container (at a south window seal).
Hey Dean,
Tell me I sent you more than 40 seeds!!! If that is all I sent you and you would like more, let me know because I thought I send everyone interested at least 100...
Randy
shopgirl2
10-24-2007, 11:44 AM
I am new and anxious to learn more about growing bananas, etc.
About the banana seeds offered for experiement, are they edible?
Do you have to have special equipment, etc?
Are they Non-edible nanas?
thanks.
shopgirl2
10-24-2007, 12:00 PM
what kind banana tree is the "velutina"?
Are they edible? Please forgive the thousand questions, but as you can tell, I am quite ignorant.
Best regards
Dean W.
10-24-2007, 03:33 PM
Randy,
I got more than 40 seeds I was just thinking of what else to do w/ them. ;) I'm going to go down and start some more.
Dean
Dean W.
10-24-2007, 04:39 PM
Okay!
3.) 40 in a baggie w/ Sphagnum Peat Moss at south facing window.
4.) 40 in community pot w/ filtered sunlight (regular potting soil).
Dean
wamstick
10-24-2007, 05:55 PM
Hey Brother Randy!!--Got my seeds today. Many thanks old man. Got about 180 seeds. Well, sir i already set 50 of them a soaking in plain old warm water. Havent come up with a germination plan yet but over the week-end I will be picking up a bag of Miracle Gro potting soil and a bag of Peat Moss. Come Monday nite I will lay out my plan. I'll tell you this much, there will be no 12 hrs dis and 14 hrs dat and timer dis and timer dat. Once again I, thank you great friend.
Randy4ut
10-24-2007, 06:11 PM
I am new and anxious to learn more about growing bananas, etc.
About the banana seeds offered for experiement, are they edible?
Do you have to have special equipment, etc?
Are they Non-edible nanas?
thanks.
Shopgirl,
First of all, there is alot that still has not been determined with the velutina. Some believe there are two different varieties. I do not by any means know the answers and that is one of the reasons I thought this little experiment / trial would help us all learn a little more about it and have some fun while we were at it. As far as my velutina goes... I have had it for 3 summers now and got it as a one gallon plant from a local friend of mine. His do not get over 5' overall height. Mine fruited the first year and every year afterwards. The clump kept getting bigger each year. This summer I will be honest, I have cut up and given/sold more than I wish I had, but it still put out a huge harvest this year. Anyway, mine gets over 10' everyyear, so that is the big difference that alot of folks talk about. I do not do anything special to it. I did give it one application of triple 13 this spring and that is all. This was the first and only time I have every given any of my nanners any type of ferts. I do water the hoot out of them as well as my other plants.
The velutina does have a nice sweet taste to it, but the seeds make it not very enjoyable, to say the least. The seeds are quite large for the fruit which, on my clump, average about 3" long. I average about 100-110 seeds per, so I do not eat them....
Anyway, I thought I would post a pick of my clump from last year and some of the fruit...
Hope this answers your questions...
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/Nanners%202006/100_0966.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/Nanners%202006/100_1282.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/Nanners%202006/100_1284.jpg
turtile
10-24-2007, 07:22 PM
I got the seeds yesterday. Can't wait to get them growing.
Thanks Randy!
Larry in Chesapeake
10-25-2007, 01:20 PM
Randy, I've recieved the seeds mate thanks a bunch!, hopefully the success rate will be good enough for me to spread the wealth throughout my neighboorhood and I will post my finding as we all proceed.
Inoneear
10-25-2007, 03:26 PM
Randy, the seeds made it!!! Thank you very much!
The Plan...
All -soaked for 24 hours.
-put into Dutch Treat starter mix
1/2 -heat mat varying temps
1/2 -top shelf plant/fish tank room
Dean W.
10-27-2007, 12:18 PM
I moved all my seeds except the community pot to an aquarium. The aquarium has Christmas lights in it and maintains a temperature of about 80*F.
Dean
the flying dutchman
10-29-2007, 08:02 AM
Randy, the seeds arrived today, thank you very much, I wil forward some
seeds to our new member 'Puiu' in Romania, he has asked me so and I suppose this is okay with you.
Thanks
Ron
Randy4ut
10-29-2007, 08:05 AM
Randy, the seeds arrived today, thank you very much, I wil forward some
seeds to our new member 'Puiu' in Romania, he has asked me so and I suppose this is okay with you.
Thanks
Ron
Ron,
Glad to hear they made it. If you have enough to send on to Puiu, by all means go ahead. If I need to send some more to either of you, let me know and I will get them out as soon as you say the word...
Randy
the flying dutchman
10-30-2007, 10:10 AM
Randy's corner in the basement with the seeds I got from him.
12 Manihot Grahamii seeds and 30 Velutina seeds.
14 hours at about 80F
10 hours at about 60F
I still have about 50 Velutina seeds left.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6537&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6537)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6538&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6538)
wamstick
10-30-2007, 04:58 PM
Randy--put 60 seeds to soak from wednesday nite last. Over the week end I bought 1 bag germinating mix--which is really just top soil,peat moss, and sand.
Today I separated them 60 seeds into four batches of 15 each.
One batch i put into small ziplock baggie with just moist paper towel (no soil). Put this baggie on my computer table under my reading lamp.
One batch i put in another ziplock with germinating mix--place this baggie outside for mother nature to play with
One batch i put into small plastic container about the size of a ice cream container with germinating mix. Put this container under my reading lamp on the computer table.
Last batch i put into another plastic container and place in my bedroom which really should be at room temperature.
Will update y'all when something happens.
Njoynit
10-31-2007, 11:23 AM
hi Randy.I found your post.My SIL(sister in law) is excited we will be growing seeds.after I treat she gets her share...she says she'll kill them...unless the iguana beats her to that. :2741:
where's beachgirl????you tossed your seeds on ground?what month did you do that?I'm thinking of wintersowing some.
The post has been nice read.even the techinical stuff that had me looking at temp on wall converting C to F
I'm looking forward to the experiment.I'm glad to hear they are not blendered this year...but wondered if was bananan daquri's :waving:
Banana_Bill
10-31-2007, 12:03 PM
I started 50 seeds. I soaked
30 in plain tap water overnight and sowed in a seed starting medium;
10 were soaked in liquid smoke overnight and sowed in same medium;
10 were soaked in seaweed water overnight and sowed the same.
All were placed on a heating pad in the kitchen.
The next batch I will just sow and place in the greenhouse for the winter where, hopefully the temps do not drop below 55 F.
If even half of these sprout, I have plenty of little bananas to spread about the country.
Randy4ut
10-31-2007, 12:31 PM
I started 50 seeds. I soaked
30 in plain tap water overnight and sowed in a seed starting medium;
10 were soaked in liquid smoke overnight and sowed in same medium;
10 were soaked in seaweed water overnight and sowed the same.
All were placed on a heating pad in the kitchen.
The next batch I will just sow and place in the greenhouse for the winter where, hopefully the temps do not drop below 55 F.
If even half of these sprout, I have plenty of little bananas to spread about the country.
Okay, Bill, gotta ask... Why soak in liquid smoke? Never heard of this before and my curiosity got the best of me...
island cassie
10-31-2007, 04:48 PM
Ah well - liquid smoke might work like the stuff they sell to help germinate seeds that normally need fire to start them off - like Cape feinbos and proteas in South Africa, some Australian trees and shrubs, and I believe the North American Redwood. Never thought of it myself but it might work.
Banana_Bill
11-01-2007, 04:42 PM
You are right island cassie. While I researching banana seed germination, I came across a few sites that where selling smoke primer to enhance germination with hard to germinate seeds. My understanding is that the smoke simulates a forest fire and triggers the seeds to come out of dormancy. I am not sure whether it works. But Randy was so generous with the seeds, I have more than enough to conduct a few experiments. I will update with any success or failures.
Bill
island cassie
11-01-2007, 04:50 PM
Good luck with the experiment Bill - it will be very interesting to see if the liquid smoke makes a difference. From time to time we can get it here, and would be very useful for the stubborn critters!
Cassie
Dean W.
11-03-2007, 08:44 AM
I have never heard of using liquid smoke before. Sounds very interesting, curious of what the results will be.
Dean
jeff tn
11-04-2007, 10:28 AM
I have about 50 sabal minor seeds for you.Picked them for you yesterday.Will mail to you this week.Arkansas pays a visit this week.You know what that means.:waving:
Randy4ut
11-04-2007, 02:25 PM
I have about 50 sabal minor seeds for you.Picked them for you yesterday.Will mail to you this week.Arkansas pays a visit this week.You know what that means.:waving:
Hello neighbor!!!
E-mail me your address and I will send out the velutina seeds I have been saving for ya. As far as TN Vols go, hey, it was fun being on top of the SEC East while it lasted!!!
Randy
:bananas_b
AllenF
11-07-2007, 03:36 PM
Randy;
I got about 140 seeds this morning. Thank you again.
This time I am going to try the following:
about 17 seeds-moist pre-chilled(3 weeks fridge)/soaked 3 days/moist vermiculite
** pre-chill is now 8 weeks**
about 17 seeds- pre-chilled/soaked 3 days/moist unsterile potting soil
17 seeds- pre-chilled/moist vermiculite
17 seeds- pre-chilled/moist potting soil
17 seeds-soaked 3 days/moist vermiculite
17 seeds-soaked 3 days/moist potting soil
17 seeds-moist vermiculite
17 seeds-moist potting soil.
All will be given variable heat 12 hrs/12hrs getting as close to 12* C/ 35* C (45* F/ 90* F) as I can get.
** heat is 15/9 hrs and 33 C/20 C**
I look forward to greater success than last year.
Allen
Randy4ut
11-15-2007, 08:07 AM
Hey all,
I finally had to give a few seeds a try myself. They have been started for only about a week now, but I will let you know how it goes. I only tried about 12 seeds. Anyway, I just happened to think, has anyone tried cold stratification with any of the seeds? I happened to remember last year, after I sent out the first group of seeds that I put the remaining ones in my refrigerator until about the end of January. That would have been about 2-3 months in the fridge before I got them out and gave them away and potted a few up as a trial. I had about 4 germinate from about 10 seeds. More would have probably germinated, but I did not wait to see. I simply wanted to make sure the seeds were viable.
This was just a thought and wanted to throw it out there if anyone had any left to try this with. Don't forget to keep this thread alive when you have results to share...
Take care all,
Randy
:2691: :2691: :2691: :twonanners: :bananajoy: :twonanners: :2691: :2691: :2691:
the flying dutchman
11-15-2007, 05:37 PM
I'll keep you informed Randy:) Nothing here yet.
Ron
Dean W.
11-15-2007, 07:26 PM
Randy,
Still patiently waiting for any sign of life.
Dean
magicgreen
11-16-2007, 08:34 AM
iam still watching and waiting also. magicgreen
AllenF
11-16-2007, 10:42 AM
I have had no results yet excluding having a 'weed' germinate in one of the unsterile baggies.
I have decided to extend the pre-chill period to 8 weeks.
My variable heat will be 15hrs/9hrs with temperatures of 33 C/20 C.
Allen
klemmthamm
11-16-2007, 10:55 AM
not a thing yet (as far as sprouts go)... however I have noticed that some have started to swell... at least I think I am not imagining it.... you never know with me though.
Bananaman88
11-16-2007, 12:53 PM
Randy,
I have some velutina seeds that I planted fresh from the plant back in the spring that still have not sprouted. The rest I put in the freezer. Maybe I should try some of them this spring. I STILL have 6 M. sikkimenisis seeds that were sown back in Feb. after soaking in water for 24 hours...still nothing. Both the velutina and sikkimensis seeds are outside in pots and will remain so through winter. Hopefully there will be some sign of activity next spring.
Dean W.
11-16-2007, 01:59 PM
Does anyone no where velutinas originate from? Maybe, the climatic conditions of that geographic area could help us some.
Dean
Banana_Bill
11-16-2007, 03:32 PM
I check everyday, but still no sign of life. I still have a few seed left, I think I might try a cold stratification.
AllenF
11-16-2007, 04:52 PM
The M. velutina is from the state of Assam in North East India. It is probably the same banana as M. dasycarpa Kurz.
Assam is one of the larger states and covers a variety of climate conditions. N. central Assam produces Sugar Cane while North East Assam produces oil seeds and rice. The average temperature in August is 84 F/29 C and in January is 61 F/16 C. There is no hot dry summer season.
I just found an article on rhodoclamys varieties of Musa. The maps from the late 1800s seem quite a bit different in comparison with current maps. I'll post more later.
Allen
AllenF
11-16-2007, 05:45 PM
With further research it appears that M. velutina was originally found in upper Assam state as well as the Siang districts of Arunachal Pradesh state in North East India.
This is the lower Himalaya and moderate Himalaya mountain area. The climate varies with the elevation from moist subtropical to temperate. The temperatures in my previous post would be a maximum for the species with a minimum of as low as 66 F/19 C for summer and 43 F/6 C for winter.
As useless information, the M. sanguinea was found at higher elevations than the M. velutina. I haven't heard of that variety before.
Allen
Randy4ut
11-16-2007, 07:47 PM
Allen,
That is very interesting information. If you can, would it be possible to either post the link to this information. I would like to learn more about the origins of the velutina. Thanks for sharing the info you gave us thus far...
Randy
:woohoonaner:
With further research it appears that M. velutina was originally found in upper Assam state as well as the Siang districts of Arunachal Pradesh state in North East India.
This is the lower Himalaya and moderate Himalaya mountain area. The climate varies with the elevation from moist subtropical to temperate. The temperatures in my previous post would be a maximum for the species with a minimum of as low as 66 F/19 C for summer and 43 F/6 C for winter.
As useless information, the M. sanguinea was found at higher elevations than the M. velutina. I haven't heard of that variety before.
Allen
AllenF
11-16-2007, 08:47 PM
Here are some of the websites that I looked at to get the info.
"www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~drc/mvelutina.htm" for plant history
"bananas.bioversityinternational.org/files/files/pdf/publications/focusen_rhodochlampys.pdf" for subspecies info
"www.mapsofindia.com" to find out information on the states of Assam and Arunachal Pradesh
Googling Musa velutina/ Musa dasycarpa Kurz/ Assam India also found a number of other sites that were less helpful.
Allen
Randy4ut
11-16-2007, 09:37 PM
Allen,
Thanks so much for sharing your information that you gathered. I am sure it will make for some interesting reading.... Take care
Dean W.
11-17-2007, 12:40 PM
Allen,
Thanks for sharing the information. That would give some credence to cold stratification.
Dean
BGreen
11-18-2007, 02:41 PM
Update!
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6776 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6777)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6777 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6776)
I had about 50% of the seeds (12 seeds) of location 1 group 2 germinate!
These where nonscarified and in the terrarium. They were in a plastic bag and places in a moist paper towel.
These seeds have temps ranging from 80F-85F during the day, and cool off to mid 60's at night. They receive light from overhead for 14hrs, and they get sun through a window in the morning that helps heat the tank.
No other seeds show any sign of life. All the scarified seeds keep trying to mold over, from both locations, so I believe scarification is unnecessary and causes more problems than it's helps.
Randy4ut
11-18-2007, 03:39 PM
Go BGreen, it's your birthday!!!! it's your birthday!!! However, it goes, that is whay my 6 year old says with a little dance when she sees my hyped about something... Anyway, that is way too cool!!! Sure hope everyone that is in on this little trial, sees this. I am just glad to see that someone is having success...
How long did it take til germination? Thanks so much for the update...
Randy
mskitty38583
11-18-2007, 06:58 PM
THAT IS TOO KOOL! :2791:. randy4ut, the lil nanna is doing the dance for "its your birthday"
BGreen
11-18-2007, 08:33 PM
Go BGreen, it's your birthday!!!! it's your birthday!!! However, it goes, that is whay my 6 year old says with a little dance when she sees my hyped about something... Anyway, that is way too cool!!! Sure hope everyone that is in on this little trial, sees this. I am just glad to see that someone is having success...
How long did it take til germination? Thanks so much for the update...
Randy
Seed started soaking on the Oct 14, set up on Oct 16.
First check with germination results Nov 18
So 36 days from start of soaking.
:bebe::bebe::bebe::bebe::bebe::bebe::bebe:
:banana_pi
Thank you Randy for the Seeds!
I will post more results as they present themselves.
AllenF
11-18-2007, 11:48 PM
Congratulations Ben, you proud papa.:bebe:
Allen
magicgreen
11-19-2007, 04:09 PM
oh so lucky:2212:
cedardave
11-22-2007, 06:30 PM
I recieved my seeds a couple days ago. They were soaked in warm water in a cup on top of the fridge. Half were planted after two days soak the other half will be planted after 4 days of soak. Rinsed in warm water before planting. They were planted in plug trays with 50% coco mix and 50% organic seed started mix(contains peat).They are sitting in a warm spot by day... cooler at night...so now we wait.
thank you Randy for the seeds... this is great fun to all be doing this
Dean W.
11-26-2007, 10:18 AM
Congratulations, BGreen! I look forward to having mine sprout.:0489:
Dean
BGreen
11-27-2007, 06:55 PM
Thank you guys.
Nov 27 update:
10 of the 11 seeds have pushed through the soil surface.
2 more seeds have sprouted and 1 has lost it's plug (should see roots in a few days?!?!)
I'm going to have to get some more lights.
:santananer: :santananer:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6963 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6964)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6964 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6850)
Oh, the new sprouts are from the same group.
Randy4ut
11-27-2007, 07:53 PM
You sure are showing the rest of us up, Ben... Maybe we should all just send you our seeds and have you germinate them for us. But then again, I guess the fun of all this is to say "I did it!!! " Way to go, my friend!!!
Randy
BGreen
11-27-2007, 08:43 PM
Well they really like that one spot!
They others haven't shown any sign of life yet.
I did move 3 other banana seeds into the tank, they are going on 6 months now with only 1 germinating.
If the other take off I will have to pay really close attention to what is exactly going on in that tank.
Taylor
11-27-2007, 09:40 PM
Ben, under what conditions are your seeds? Inside, lighting, Heat etc.
Thanks!
Dean W.
11-28-2007, 10:02 AM
Ben,
Looking good!!!:2720:
Dean
Started velutina seeds one week ago wrapped in a ziplock bag with a wet napkin. They are about five feet away from metal halide 1000watt lights and on a heating pad with a buffer between the pad and the bag. Keeping my fingers crossed.:nanabath:
BGreen
11-28-2007, 05:51 PM
Hey Andy good luck!
I see your in Lee Summit only about an hour east of me.
There is a great nursery out your way. Heartland, it is worth a visit in the spring.
Arachnid
11-28-2007, 07:51 PM
Truely awesome forum ...glad I found it.
Heartland nursery is just down the highway from me. It is fun to go there when they have all their tomato and pepper plants out.
xavierdlc61887
12-03-2007, 09:41 AM
Ok sorry for the delay randy, i put
10 in direrct potting soil next to the water heater
10 in direct potting soil and inside a Baggie inside the fridge
10 in a baggie with a coffe filter next to my computer under a lamp
72 in direct potting soil outside under a tree getting water every other day when the soil is looking dry :D
Will post the different results i get :D and thanks for the seeds randy im sure they will all germ :D :twonanners:
Hi Randy,
I'm Puiu from Romania.I recived form Ron some velutina seeds, and he told me that in fact the seeds are from you!Ok I put them in water for 48 hours, and yesterday after 26 days I got the first 2 seedlings.The temperature in my room is constant about 24 Celsius degrees( 75,2F), and the soil was moist all this time, and I placed the pot in a sunny place.Thank you verry much , I'm verry happy now!!!!I have to tell you and all others, that in the same day of 13 November when I planted the seeds of M Velutina, I planted some M.Sikkimensis seeds , too and today after 27day I discovered the first baby Sikkimensis!!!!I'm a lucky guy!Dear Randy , thank you verry much for the seeds!
Best regards,
Puiu from Timisoara, Romania
Randy4ut
12-10-2007, 11:19 AM
Hi Randy,
I'm Puiu from Romania.I recived form Ron some velutina seeds, and he told me that in fact the seeds are from you!Ok I put them in water for 48 hours, and yesterday after 26 days I got the first 2 seedlings.The temperature in my room is constant about 24 Celsius degrees( 75,2F), and the soil was moist all this time, and I placed the pot in a sunny place.Thank you verry much , I'm verry happy now!!!!I have to tell you and all others, that in the same day of 13 November when I planted the seeds of M Velutina, I planted some M.Sikkimensis seeds , too and today after 27day I discovered the first baby Sikkimensis!!!!I'm a lucky guy!Dear Randy , thank you verry much for the seeds!
Best regards,
Puiu from Timisoara, Romania
Way to go!!!!, PUIU!!!!
It is so great to hear from you... I appreciate you posting your results and look forward to hearing from you as they grow and develop. A special thanks must also go out to Ron for his generousity... Best of luck to you and you are more than welcome!!!
Randy
Randy4ut
12-10-2007, 07:18 PM
OKAY, everyone... Some of you have to have some germinated that haven't posted results yet. I decided to try my hand at it and soaked some seeds in warm water for 2 days, changing water about 4 times. Afterward, I potted the seeds up in a soilless mix and placed the pot in a baggie. The baggie has been sitting on a shelf in my laundry room with all my other seeds that I am trying to germinate. The shelf is in front of a south facing window and extra warmth from the laundry room. Well, I went up to check all my seeds this evening and found two had germinated!!! Now, honestly there has to be others out there that have gotten seeds that have some germinated and not reporting it??? Please, everyone that reads this, go take a look and let me know if anyone else has any surprises!!!! Here is a couple of pics I thougt I would share...
Here is a pic of the method I used...
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/Nanners%202007/100_2358.jpg
Sorry this one is a bit blurry:
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/Nanners%202007/100_2359.jpg
Here is a better one:
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n225/randy4ut/Nanners%202007/100_2360.jpg
Taylor
12-10-2007, 07:28 PM
I still haven't planted the ones you sent to me last year, but yours look good. When I plant them, I'll use your method unless someone comes up with something different.
Taylor
12-10-2007, 07:30 PM
BTW look at my temp asap....isn't it weird??! :) 66* in Winter or is it Fall? I'd say its Summer.
Randy4ut
12-10-2007, 07:38 PM
BTW look at my temp asap....isn't it weird??! :) 66* in Winter or is it Fall? I'd say its Summer.
I have tried to add that to my signature. Could you email or pm me on how you did that. I want to add it to my posts...
Thanks young man,
Randy
BTW, my 6 year old daughter and I went over to the Greenway this evening a spread several hundred Sabal minor seeds down by the creek. Hopefully some will germinate and I will have some growing and naturalizing in several years... (Randy Palmseed) instead of Johnny Appleseed
Taylor
12-10-2007, 07:53 PM
Sweet, will PM ya.
AllenF
12-11-2007, 09:31 AM
Taylor you are truly lucky. I have just thawed out from a week and a half deep freeze where the temperature got as low as -19*F. It is -5*F right now and is forecast to reach a wonderfully warm 18*F this afternoon.:0513:
I checked the seeds again this AM and nothing yet after 30 days.
Allen
dpren3275
12-11-2007, 10:40 AM
Just reading this thread on experiments re veluntia seeds...I wonder if anyone has read about how the fruit (the pulpy stuff) of many plants often contain a chemical that act as a stimulator for germination. Makes me wonder what would happen if one kept the soil moist with a tea made from the banana fruit or banana peel?
Has anyone tried this? What were the results?
Last year I had 20 veluntia seeds in the greenhouse with temp fluctuating (60 & 85) and the few plants I got were planted in soil with a layer of banana pulp just below / around the seed.
AllenF
12-12-2007, 08:36 AM
I tried using banana pulp as a 'non-sterile media' last year. The experiment was unsuccessful most likely because of heat damage to the seeds. I did seal the container to retain moisture and found that the banana pulp fermented.
I have some seed coming out of cool wet stratification Jan 5th and may try adding banana pulp to the non-sterile media.
Allen
bigdog
12-12-2007, 12:11 PM
I wonder if anyone has read about how the fruit (the pulpy stuff) of many plants often contain a chemical that act as a stimulator for germination.
More frequently, the fruit on some plants can also act as an inhibitor to germination rather than a promoter. I haven't tried any experiments involving banana pulp though, nor have I read any scientific research on it. It would be neat to see a study on that.
microfarmer
12-12-2007, 10:23 PM
I haven't planted yet either. Mine are getting natural Northern California cold stratification. I always called it overwintering with veggie seeds...s'posed to make 'em stronger.:coldbanana:
I'll plant them all around Janurary 1st (depending on what the Almanac says) with all my veggie seeds for next year's gardens. I aim to plant out in the middle of March.
Susie
12-13-2007, 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by dpren3275
"I wonder if anyone has read about how the fruit (the pulpy stuff) of many plants often contain a chemical that act as a stimulator for germination."
Banana fruits produce a lot of ethylene gas (which is why people put a banana in a bag of other fruits to speed their ripening), and ethylene is known to stimulate germination in some types of seeds.
Randy4ut
12-14-2007, 05:46 AM
Glad to see you posting, "Susie". I hope in the near future you can introduce yourself on this thread and get into some detail about what you are working on. Again, good to see you aboard!!!
klemmthamm
12-17-2007, 07:00 AM
OK I am happy to officially announce the sprouting of the seeds... I have 1 nice sprout that is about 2 inches tall now and several more that have "popped their caps" and are pushing their first signs of life!...
Unfortunately no pics for now as my phone line was ripped off of the house in the ice storm, and thus my DSL is out of service until tomorrow or wednesday.
Thank you Randy! you have got me addicted to germinating seeds and I have placed a couple of orders in different places for some sikki 'red flash', cheesmanii and some Trachycarpus Takil
-James-
Randy4ut
12-17-2007, 09:28 AM
Congrats!!!! BTW, don't blame me for any of your addictions!!! LOL I have my own to have to deal with, without feeling guilty for causing someone else to stumble... Hey, at least it is a non threatening addiction!!!! Keep us posted....
klemmthamm
12-17-2007, 11:18 PM
Congrats!!!! BTW, don't blame me for any of your addictions!!! LOL I have my own to have to deal with, without feeling guilty for causing someone else to stumble... Hey, at least it is a non threatening addiction!!!! Keep us posted....
I don't blame you at all.... In fact, I appreciate it :D 'cause now I have found a cheaper way to obtain my tropical collection... yeah I may have to wait a bit longer to see any results but it is definately well worth the wait....
PM inbound to ya Randy.
-James-
southlatropical
12-18-2007, 11:12 AM
The seeds have sprouted. I soaked them for a few hours then planted in potting soil in a 'Glad' re-usable container with the lid on. These stayed outside until the night temp started going below 50F. I them brought them in and they sat on the kitchen counter until a couple weeks ago when I started putting them on a heating pad at night.
AllenF
12-18-2007, 12:36 PM
I am glad to see that others are having success. :bebe:
I was about 30 days behind everyone in getting my seeds due to not paying enough attention to the forum and Canada Post.
I am hoping that mine will start sprouting at Xmas.:2200:
Allen
magicgreen
12-18-2007, 02:13 PM
OK. iam trying the seeds again. The 1st ones planted,the peat pellets dried up when i wasnt looking! I started soaking 5 seeds in water on Dec16th. Gonna let them soak 5days. Then.....will put 2 seeds in peat pots in a baggie.The other 2 will go in a small pot inside another ziplock baggie. The medium i mixed is part miracle grow,playsand,vermiculite,peat,and a lil' milorganite. I mixed all that up real good. The last seed will go into a baggie with just the soil mixture. These will be in my bathroom{cuz its hot as blue blazes in there}All day they'll be in there, and before going to bed, i'll take them out ,and put them near a cool window till the morning. Hope this does it, because i want to post pictures and be proud of my triumph too!
I have 5 seeds in dirt in my unheated greenhouse to overwinter. I'll start watering them in apr or may, when the weather starts heating up. As another experiment....I'll put 3 seeds in the fridge tonight. I dont' know how long they should be in there. Guess I'll be reading all day today and tomorrow trying to find the answer,.......Unless somebody out there knows. Good luck to me. Magicgreen:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Oh yea.......I didnt get rid of the seeds in those dried up pellets, they still may grow from what i read.
Randy4ut
12-18-2007, 02:33 PM
Thanks for the update, Magicgreen. Please be sure to keep us posted as to your experiences with them... Best of luck to you...
mskitty38583
12-19-2007, 01:07 AM
keeping my fingers crossed, mg.:twonanners:
7abZoner
12-19-2007, 01:13 PM
Thank you so much Randy!!!
Thanks to you I have at least 1 tiny banana plant. I checked last night expecting to see the same lifless dirt I have been looking at for the last 6 weeks and to my surprise there it was, a tiny sprig of green.:bebe:
Sorry it took so long to post but I have been very busy and just haven't had time to post alot on the forums, and until this point I have had no results.
Here are the details on the germination setup.
The Germinator: Old cracked 20 gallon aquarium with a thermostaticaly controlled heat mat in it and a florescent lighted aquarium cover. The thermostat is plugged into a timer for control of the heating time.
For this batch I chose 12 seeds from the ones that you sent me.
Germination Medium: Ferry Morris Seed starting mix. Nuked it for 2 Mins cause it had mold on it when I opened the bag. BTW 2 minutes isn't enough, mold reappeared after a couple of weeks but not on the seeds!
Pregermination Method: Seeds soaked for two days, no water change
Germination Method: Using the ziploc container method and a germinator
I put the germinator into a day night cycle of 12 Hours of High Temp (90 - 95 deg) then 12 Hours of Low Temp (50 to 60 deg).
Date: Status:
11/1/2007 Placed 12 seed in a Ziploc container in medium.
11/7/2007 No changes yet, still tweeking the germinators temp
12/18/2007 First Sprout!!! :2704: :2704: :2704: :2704:
Days To First Germination: 48 Days
:woohoonaner:
I just hope I can keep it alive until summer!
Hey I noticed in your earlier post that we both started our seeds on the same day November 1. I guess you won the race! LOL
Thanks again for your generosity.
I will post more as results come in.
Randy4ut
12-19-2007, 02:07 PM
Thanks for the update, 7abZoner. You are more than welcome for the seeds. Please be sure to keep us updated to your experiences. I only tried 5 seeds and 3 are up and growing. Two of the three have one fully unfurled leaf and the other is getting ready to start. Like I said, as you have time, keep us informed....
magicgreen
12-19-2007, 05:28 PM
Congratulation:pepper2nana: 7abzoner. Magicgreen
cedardave
12-19-2007, 07:34 PM
Well it must be a lucky week. I have mine ,soaked for differing lenghs of time. One batch was about 2 days and one ended up being soaked for closer to 4 days. All the seeds were planted in a seed starter/coconut husk mix in plug trays. Si far no above ground activity ,however, there are several new roots coming through the underside of the plug tray heading towards the water in the tray. If the progress continues, I should be seeing above ground growth by next week.The roots dropping down by the way, are very thick and solid. Sounds all good to me.
klemmthamm
12-21-2007, 09:05 AM
DSL is finally back up so here is a pic as promised.... and more to come later on.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7322&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7322&ppuser=951)
Randy4ut
12-21-2007, 09:34 AM
Is this one of my "babies"!!!! Congrats, James!!! How many do you have thus far? Keep us posted to its / their progress...
klemmthamm
12-21-2007, 10:06 AM
I have 2 more just barely pokin their heads out of the soil and 6 others that are putting out some roots as we speak.... I lost a lot due to a overzealous German Sheperd pup... but I messed up when I tried to do a lot just in soil in cups w/ bags over them... because I had no way to tell what was doing what. I didn't ever receive my gel packs in the mail that I ordered, so I just went with the paper towel in a baggie method and so far that is all that has worked for me, I just waited until the germination caps popped off and then planted them and so far that has worked wonders.
I still have a quite a few in soil in a plastic bag that I suspect will be popping up in a few weeks with the proper care.
The one in the pic is by far my largest... just a couple o' days ago it was just a green worm lookin thing stickin out of the soil and wah-la it now has its first leaf.... truly amazing how fast the little bugger grows.
-James-
klemmthamm
12-23-2007, 02:43 AM
WOW!.... that is all I have got to say... I have more velutinas than I know what to do with... I guess when spring rolls around I will have plenty to give to the community garden. :D
I checked the plastic bag full o' soil and there are probably another 20 or so germinated and I am sure in the next couple of days there will be plenty more.
I went from 8-10 germinated to over 30 almost overnight. I really had low expectations for growing banana plants from seed because all I have ever heard is "bananas are hard to grow from seed"... that, in my experience is not the case... you just have to have patience.
I am going to try several more varieties but I am going to wait until my new set up gets here in a couple of weeks... check it out (http://www.parkseed.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StoreCatalogDisplay?storeId=10101&catalogId=10101&langId=-1&mainPage=prod2working&ItemId=96068&PrevMainPage=advsearchresults&scChannel=Seed%20Starting%20AS&SearchText=p10.v34;p16.v228&OfferCode=V1H)
I will post more pics (if and when I remember).
-James-
D_&_T
12-31-2007, 12:10 AM
Hey
we ignored seeds for couple weeks and see what happens
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7412 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7413&ppuser=887)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7413 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7411&ppuser=887)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7411 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6904&ppuser=887)
so we have 90 of 135 up so far
dpren3275
12-31-2007, 12:10 PM
Unreal!!!!! What great germination percentage! Good for you!!!!To what do you attribute your success?
D_&_T
12-31-2007, 02:01 PM
partly to good supplier, and advice from members
Randy4ut
12-31-2007, 02:08 PM
partly to good supplier, and advice from members
Looks GREAT, Dan and Tara!!! Looks like you should have plenty come spring... Please, do not give any credit to the supplier, as he just cleaned and shipped the seeds to you. You folks did all the work and should get all the credit... Keep me posted as to their progress...
Randy
D_&_T
12-31-2007, 02:13 PM
well you provided FRESH seeds, had to be a big help in this adventure
so THANK YOU for your generosity
RobG7aChattTN
12-31-2007, 04:51 PM
Unfortunately when you buy mail-order banana seeds they are very difficult to get to germinate. If they are not dried enough then they don't store very long (which is necessary for a seed supplier who is storing and shipping seeds). If they are dried properly (which ensures that they are viable for a long time) then it is very difficult to get them to re-hydrate enough to germinate (and often there is a narrow window between hydrated enough and rotting). So, the ideal way to store seeds is to clean fresh seeds and store them in moist peat (as you would if you were trying to germinate them). So, if you get fresh seeds you will be in business. But if you order mail-order don't expect great results. I had great luck with the velutina that I got from Randy last year and with some seeds that I collected off of an unknown variety. My rarepalmseeds Musa seeds did very poorly and sadly out of the hundreds that I tried I killed the one sikkimensis 'Red Tiger', the one itinerans, and the one Helen's Hybrid that I got to germinate.
Randy4ut
01-14-2008, 02:19 PM
Just wondering if anyone here has any updates on their seeds... Haven't seen or heard from anyone in quite awhile... Sure hope some of you have had success and just not reported back, yet...
magicgreen
01-14-2008, 05:11 PM
Randy, i bought a heat mat yesterday! Still watching and hoping!
Magicgreen
microfarmer
01-15-2008, 12:18 AM
I have your seeds and also some from Tropicallvr. The Almanac says the 16th is a good time to plant...I start hydration on that day. :2623:
AllenF
01-15-2008, 12:34 AM
Still nothing.
Allen
cedardave
01-15-2008, 03:05 AM
I am also awaiting..... nothing really yet. I thought I had a root starting...but maybe not. So.. we wait
klemmthamm
01-15-2008, 04:27 AM
mine are all working on their third leaves..... sorry for not reporting more but as you are well aware I am staying busy with other seed germination
Sabal Minor, Trachy wag x fortunei, Musa itnerans, Musa helen's hybrid, Musa sikki 'red flash', Musa sikkimensis, Musa cheesmanii, Washingtonia filifera and robusta, Ricinus communis, some sort of canna that is red and gets freakishly huge... and I am waiting on my T. takil seeds from india and my Cyrostachys renda seeds
I will post pics later... I moved them all from styrofoam cups to peat pots in a tray. (I had 30, I think, and I broke a couple so I am down to 27 or 28 now)
Remind me about the pics cause I tend to forget.
Merry January the 15th to all!!!!
-James-
Dean W.
01-15-2008, 10:37 AM
Randy,
I'm still waiting. They haven't done anything, yet. I guess I need to try a different method. Maybe, I can use potting soil instead of perlite or vermiculite.
Have you had any luck with your Arenga engleri? I had some with mold that I cleaned and some others I threw out.
Whew, I still have alot of different seed I need to get started too.
Dean
Randy4ut
01-15-2008, 12:41 PM
Dean, I too, have so many different types of seeds going right now, that I can't keep up with them. I will do my best to take a look and give you a report on the Arengas when I get home this evening... Sorry to hear you have yet to have any luck with the velutina. If you have any left, try the potting mix in a 4" pot with plastic over the top and on a heat mat if you have one. Make sure you presoak seeds before, and you should have some success. Keep me posted...
Randy
wamstick
01-15-2008, 04:40 PM
Still no sign of life on my seeds( Velutina)--I swear my seeds have gone on vacation or fell asleep. Maybe come spring, they will wake up--I am a patient person though, so I am still waiting.
Randy4ut
01-15-2008, 05:32 PM
Tony,
Hate to tell you this, but a good friend of mine that I gave a bunch of seeds to last year had given up on his when about one year later, they all seemed to come up at once... Hopefully this will not be the case for you... Thanks for the update and keep me posted...
Randy4ut
01-15-2008, 05:38 PM
Randy,
I'm still waiting. They haven't done anything, yet. I guess I need to try a different method. Maybe, I can use potting soil instead of perlite or vermiculite.
Have you had any luck with your Arenga engleri? I had some with mold that I cleaned and some others I threw out.
Whew, I still have alot of different seed I need to get started too.
Dean
Dean,
As soon as I got home, I went straight to my seeds and checked on yours. Sorry to report, nothing yet... I have read that these seeds germinate erratically in one to six months, so I will not be giving up on them. I checked them and they looked good, just not quite ready to go, I guess. Let me know if you have any special insights on them. I currently have them in a baggie on a heat mat....
D_&_T
01-15-2008, 05:43 PM
the trays we let get a freeze out in the garage are the only ones to have sprouts, the ones that have been in room temp have not sprouted any
Banana_Bill
01-16-2008, 05:42 PM
I am still waiting for life to appear in my trays. I did gently dug around a few and they still look the same as the day I planted. Everyone's success if giving me hope.
microfarmer
01-17-2008, 12:16 AM
Randy4ut, I have your Musa Velutina soaking right now. They are being accompanied by Musa Balbisiana 'Gigantea' and Musa Sikkimensis X Paradisica from Tropicallvr.
They are unscarified, but mildly 'overwintered' (no lower than 35-40 degrees with 60-65 degree high) with temperature fluctuations day to night. I soaked in warm water (95 degrees) and will leave til tomorrow afternoon. I'll plant in Kellog's patio plus with added perlite, in standard garden center 6 packs. These will be placed in a 55 gallon aquarium with heat pad glued to the bottom, timed to 18 on and 6 off. I'll use a 175 watt HPS for light and supplemental heat.
This is my first attempt to grow banana from seed and also a first to adhere to the The Old Farmer's Almanac for ques on planting. Gonna grow me some 'maters and peppers too...
:2181: :2126: :pinwheelnaner:
Fingers crossed...:drum:
Randy4ut
01-17-2008, 08:41 AM
Microfarmer,
Thanks for sharing the procedure guidelines you are using. Great to see the detail... Keep us posted to your/their progress...
klemmthamm
01-17-2008, 03:31 PM
Randy got my T. Takil seeds yesterday from india... got 'em soaking right now... I will let ya know what happens.
austinl01
01-22-2008, 07:52 PM
Randy, here is an updated m. velutina pic. This seed sprouted in March 07 and suffered a bit outside in a pot during the summer. It has since recovered and is opening a new leaf every 1.5-2 weeks indoors. I'm ready to put it outside, and it's ready to get out of this pot!
P.S. The leaves are darker green than they appear because a grow light is shining on it from the wall.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=7657&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7657&ppuser=206)
Randy4ut
01-23-2008, 08:10 AM
Austin,
Thanks for the update... Always good to see that someone has had some luck germinating the seeds. Get that baby in the ground this spring and water it like crazy and I'm sure it will bloom for you later in the summer/fall. Keep me updated....
7abZoner
01-23-2008, 04:51 PM
Randy,
I am soaking some more of your seeds. These have been chilled in the fridge for about a month. I haven't given up on the others yet but, no more sprouts other than the one reported earlier.
Randy4ut
01-23-2008, 06:37 PM
Randy,
I am soaking some more of your seeds. These have been chilled in the fridge for about a month. I haven't given up on the others yet but, no more sprouts other than the one reported earlier.
Best of luck, and be sure to keep us posted...
:2753: :2753: :2753:
linkinpark15
02-01-2008, 06:42 AM
hi randy
do you still have any seeds left?
i live in sweden.
i can pm you my adress if you want to send any.
S3B8E
Randy4ut
02-01-2008, 10:02 AM
hi randy
do you still have any seeds left?
i live in sweden.
i can pm you my adress if you want to send any.
S3B8E
linkinpard15,
I am sorry to say that I do not have anymore from last years harvest. I wish I could help you out, though. I have been following your thread about the ones you have going now and everything looks good to me, for what it is worth. Best of luck and let us know how the ones you have going now do for you....
:pinwheelnaner::pinwheelnaner::2763::pinwheelnaner::pinwheelnane r:
linkinpark15
02-03-2008, 11:23 AM
but when are the new seeds coming?
can you send me some then?
D_&_T
02-03-2008, 12:57 PM
most likely around October, will be the next harvest........unless someone founds a few seeds laying around
Whatever
02-08-2008, 12:26 AM
Just noticed one of mine has popped up. I only planted about half of the seeds I got. Planted 12/06/07 after a few days soaking at room temperature.
I have them on a heat mat but I have been really lazy about turning it on and off so most of the time the mat was on. I probably only turned it off 7-10 or so times.
Should have pictures sometime soon.
klemmthamm
02-09-2008, 05:55 AM
Mine are growing a bit more slowly than I expected... hoping they will pick up a bit with increase humidity and sunlight in the summer... my house is just so dang dry with the heater running that the leaves get pretty crispy even with a humidifier and regular misting.
klemmthamm
02-09-2008, 05:59 AM
Just noticed one of mine has popped up. I only planted about half of the seeds I got. Planted 12/06/07 after a few days soaking at room temperature.
I have them on a heat mat but I have been really lazy about turning it on and off so most of the time the mat was on. I probably only turned it off 7-10 or so times.
Should have pictures sometime soon.
Big Dub,
Get yourself a thermostat like mine... and a timer; it'll get you within the ranges that you would need I would think.
Whatever
02-09-2008, 08:16 PM
Big Dub,
Get yourself a thermostat like mine... and a timer; it'll get you within the ranges that you would need I would think.
Yeah, I should. I'm just cheap and lazy lol..
Dean W.
02-23-2008, 11:57 AM
Nothing yet! I'm keeping my fingers crossed though. Spring is nearly here.
Dean
Maggidew
02-26-2008, 09:45 AM
Randy, sorry I haven't checked in for a while. The seeds you sent are doing well, the M. velutina are starting to sprout, actually I think the first one popped up a month ago. I'll get some pics after the batteries charge :~)
Banana_Bill
03-01-2008, 12:50 AM
Hey Randy,
I checked on my seeds today, and I am very happy to report that I have 2 sprouts. These were sown in November. Hopefully, the others are not to far behind. I will post pictures soon.
Bill
microfarmer
03-02-2008, 04:34 PM
Hey Randy! My seeds are undergoing a different experiment than when I started. My heating pad went south when I plugged it in so they are doing the normal warm/cool variance naturally, outside. Nothing happening so far (I'm not surprised), but, my hopes are high for later this spring.
:bed:
Thanks again, and I'll keep you updated...
magicgreen
03-03-2008, 10:28 AM
Hi Randy:2216:
My seeds still havent germinated.:0491: I check them everyday! Iam thinking about sterilizing some soil in the oven or microwave to see if that will make a difference. Im looking forward to springs warmth, as iam sure that will make a difference too. I'll keep reporting periodically. MG
jpfloors
03-03-2008, 11:17 PM
awwww man, wish i was around to participate in the seed experiment this go around, I hope to get some from you next year Randy!
D_&_T
03-03-2008, 11:25 PM
We just lost several to gnats, been sprayed! probably wait till later in week and spray again just in case few larva live.
AllenF
03-04-2008, 12:37 AM
I just checked my Velutina seeds. Nothing yet.
Allen
D_&_T
03-18-2008, 12:04 PM
We now have 7 Velutina 3rd leaves showing, unrolling, or unrolled!:2223::2223:
jpfloors
03-18-2008, 12:35 PM
We now have 7 Velutina 3rd leaves showing, unrolling, or unrolled!:2223::2223:
That's AWSOME!!! Congrats!
Randy4ut
03-18-2008, 01:46 PM
It's about time for baby pics ain't it? Keep me posted and congrats!!!
Whatever
03-18-2008, 02:24 PM
My first seedling died, I think from getting a little dry. I have another one in the tray though.
D_&_T
03-18-2008, 02:39 PM
Updated pictures as of 03/18/08
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8722&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8722&ppuser=887)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8721&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8721&ppuser=887)
Thanks again for the seeds Randy
D_&_T
03-18-2008, 02:49 PM
Sorry to hear that Whatever, we lost several from a try drying out.
mskitty38583
03-18-2008, 03:31 PM
congrats on the new babies!!! that is a lot of patiences sitting right there in those cups.when some of your little babies need a new home, id like to be first in line for 2. that is if they are going to be needing new homes.:0519:
jpfloors
03-18-2008, 03:58 PM
congrats on the new babies!!! that is a lot of patiences sitting right there in those cups.when some of your little babies need a new home, id like to be first in line for 2. that is if they are going to be needing new homes.:0519:
Haha, I second that!
D_&_T
03-18-2008, 07:18 PM
Thanks Sam and JP
We will keep you both in mind.
AllenF
03-21-2008, 11:59 PM
Woo Hoo:bananarow:
:2727::2727:
The first seed sprouted over the last week and a half.
Allen
mskitty38583
03-22-2008, 12:02 AM
that is way cool!!!:0520::2218::2758:. congrats on your new sprouts!:2784::djnana2::nanerwizard:
magicgreen
03-22-2008, 05:14 AM
:simpatica D&T you are to be congratulated!!!! Those seedling babies look great!!! BRAVO to you both!
Put me on the list for 2 plants. :banana_ba
Randy My seeds still show no signs of life, but i havent given up on them yet! This is another must have banana for me!
Its SPRINGgggggggg people!!!!! YEAHHHHHhhhhhh!!!!!!
Randy4ut
03-22-2008, 07:06 AM
Woo Hoo:bananarow:
:2727::2727:
The first seed sprouted over the last week and a half.
Allen
Allen,
I am so glad you have finally had some success!!! All the efforts you have put forth the past two years, is hopefully finally paying off. Best of luck with it and hopefully there will be others right behind that one...
Dean W.
03-22-2008, 10:27 AM
Boy, I must be doing something wrong! I'm going to give it another go.
Dean
AllenF
03-22-2008, 11:37 AM
I am so happy about the velutina. I planted some Violeacia(sp) seeds in January and they germinated at the same time, but they are not that important.
I checked before we went to Vegas and nothing had germinated. Over the next week and a half the light and heat were applied as follows: 5 days low light no heat (20*C/70*F), 2 days 16 hrs 30*C/85*F and 8 hrs 20*C and 3 days low light no heat.
I am going to try that again and see if it works.
Allen
xavierdlc61887
04-03-2008, 05:40 PM
Ok sorry for the delay randy, i put
10 in direrct potting soil next to the water heater
10 in direct potting soil and inside a Baggie inside the fridge
10 in a baggie with a coffe filter next to my computer under a lamp
72 in direct potting soil outside under a tree getting water every other day when the soil is looking dry :D
Will post the different results i get :D and thanks for the seeds randy im sure they will all germ :D :twonanners:
lol it took 5 months for the 72 plug tray to show signs of life and only those the rest have molded up and died but these troopers stood there ground and lived :D wow i forgot about them until today when i was cleaning all the dead plants and what didnt take and found these babies.....randy like i promised the is an update but very late in the game :P um hope some more come out and germ but here is the pic i promised 5 months ago :P method i used was leave outside and let them germ on there own :P
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k9/xavierdlc61887/DSC08709.jpg
jpfloors
04-03-2008, 05:59 PM
Congrads Fernie, GL getting the rest to germ. I have mine in a germ station and they have germinated after only two weeks!!! These seeds came from a different source though.
xavierdlc61887
04-03-2008, 06:08 PM
pictures???? :D:D:D:D
jpfloors
04-04-2008, 10:38 AM
Here ya go!!!
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=9054&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9054)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=9052&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9053)
AllenF
04-18-2008, 07:20 PM
HELP
I have had 4 seeds germinate and I have transplanted them. The second one got black tips on its first leaf and died. Now the fourth one is doing the same and the tips on the first plants 2 leaves are turning black.
There are pics in my member gallery.
I thought that it was because of over watering when seedling #2 died. But #4 is dying without being over watered and #1 is starting to develop black on the tips of it's leaves.
Can anyone tell me what the problem is. I don't want the other two to die as well.
Allen
xavierdlc61887
04-18-2008, 08:25 PM
u should have left them where they were until they got atleast 4 leaves and was more hardened :D i killed one like that by transplanting :D ummm all i can say is hard lesson learned right there but its all bout the learning process u learn as u go :D
D_&_T
04-18-2008, 08:31 PM
Have you seen any of those darn GNATS flying around, we lost several to them!
We now use water with some Mosquito Dunk mixed in.
xavierdlc61887
04-18-2008, 08:34 PM
D % T ummmmm thats a problem u have to much moisture and not enought ventilation...bummer
D_&_T
04-18-2008, 09:16 PM
Most of the time they were dry to barely damp, only watered when leaves started to droop. We use ceiling fan to move air around the room. Seemed drier plants were more gnats had till started using Dunk.
AllenF
04-18-2008, 09:31 PM
Thanks. I will leave them longer before transplanting.
I have 1 or 2 gnats but not enough to worry about yet.
Allen
D_&_T
04-18-2008, 09:35 PM
Its their larvae that does the damage to the roots, them eat young roots or seeds.
AllenF
04-19-2008, 09:49 AM
Thanks D & T. I guess that 1 is enough to start trying to control them.
Allen
bigdog
04-19-2008, 10:51 AM
I honestly don't think that it makes a difference when you remove them from the germinating mix. I've removed them as soon as they pop up, and they do just fine. I've never once left one in to grow four leaves first.
Allen, sorry to see your problems! I would separate the one that isn't showing any problems from the others. It could be a soil-borne pathogen causing rot. If you have a fungicide, mix up a little of it in a spray bottle and lightly spray the plants with it. Water the ones you have potted up with it also at your next watering. Was your germinating mix sterile? That will make a huge difference. Also, it looks like you've potted them up into a mix with fertilizer in it. That may be causing the tip burn. They are still a bit young to start fertilizing. Good luck with them!!
Dean W.
04-19-2008, 03:03 PM
You all are lucky! I have had nothing yet!:0493:
Dean
AllenF
04-19-2008, 05:08 PM
The germinating mix was sterile. So was the mix for the 2 survivors. The mix for the dying one was used for germination of other seed and had been out of the bag for about 3 months. I am going to have to be more careful about what I use for seed starter and make sure that it is fertilizer free.
Dean you have my sympathies. I tried germinating Velutina last year. Nothing. Even through the summer. The main thing that I have done this year has been to go to xmas lights for heat instead of a mat(it died). I also have been more erratic in the application of light and heat sometimes forgetting to turn on the lights for several days. Check the moisture. Don't give up. I hope that you don't have to wait as long as I have waited to get some to germinate.
Allen
7abZoner
04-30-2008, 12:24 PM
Here's a couple of pictures of the one seed I managed to sprout and its progress. It is doing quite well, hopefully I can get some pups off of it after this summer.
Here it is after first sprouting in december...
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=9364&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9364&ppuser=1291)
and here it is 3 months later, it is really starting to grow now, each new leaf is getting noticably larger than the previous and they are comming faster now.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=9363&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9363&ppuser=1291)
Just waiting on the warm weather to get here to put it out in the garden.
Thanks again Randy! :2704:
Dean W.
04-30-2008, 02:09 PM
Looking good! Thanks for sharing the picture. :02:
Dean
Dean W.
05-02-2008, 10:42 PM
Randy,
I'm still waiting. They haven't done anything, yet. I guess I need to try a different method. Maybe, I can use potting soil instead of perlite or vermiculite.
Dean
:bananarow: Finally, I got a sprout. The ones I planted in potting soil I put outside in the sun and kept watered. Today I noticed one comining up. Hopefully there will be more to come. :bananarow:
mskitty38583
05-02-2008, 10:51 PM
congrats on your new sprout!!!:abajo::2721::2783:
AllenF
05-03-2008, 02:08 AM
Good for you!!!!!!!
Allen
Banana_Bill
05-05-2008, 07:57 PM
Congratulations Dean, new sprouts are alway exciting.
Randy4ut
05-05-2008, 08:49 PM
Perseverance is that name of the game. Glad to hear of your success, Dean... Keep us updated to it and the others progress....
Randy
Dean W.
05-05-2008, 09:59 PM
Okay, I'll keep everyone up to date on my progress. :bananas_b
mskitty38583
05-05-2008, 10:37 PM
pictures too please.:bananajoy::bananajoy:. i love seeing baby nanas!
Dean W.
05-06-2008, 09:53 AM
I'll take some pictures as soon as it gets a little bigger and or I get more.:o
mskitty38583
05-06-2008, 06:06 PM
I'll take some pictures as soon as it gets a little bigger and or I get more.:o
the and or i get more is always a great idea. you can never have enough.:bananajoy::bananajoy::bananajoy:
D_&_T
05-06-2008, 08:25 PM
updated photo
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=9454 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9453)
Dean W.
05-06-2008, 09:43 PM
Looking good, how many do survived? Eight? :2220:
AllenF
05-06-2008, 10:39 PM
Nice looking Velutinas Dan and Tara.
I have 1 1/2 survivors out of the 4 that germinated. Neither have 2 surviving leaves as yet. I'll post pics once they develop further.
Allen
magicgreen
05-06-2008, 10:57 PM
Great Job Dan and Tara!!!!!!!!!!!!:2708:
I think i might have one coming up, or its mskitties ponderosa lemon!
Iam not sure.....Its just sitting there doing nothing for the last 2 weeks!
I'll post a pic if i think its a .........~B-a-n-a-n-a~ (Shhh):bungejumpnaner:
D_&_T
05-06-2008, 11:00 PM
yes only 8 survived, now when see gnat they get sprayed:2723::2723:
mskitty38583
05-07-2008, 08:44 AM
great job d &t. they look awesome!
Randy4ut
05-07-2008, 03:58 PM
Dan and Tara,
Man, those are looking awesome!!!! Great to see you do have some that are doing so well for you. It shouldn't be too much longer before they can go outside is it??? If you only have one that will make it to outside and survive your winter, you guys will have lots in no time flat. Thanks so much for keeping us updated on them and contunue to do so!!!
Randy
dpren3275
05-08-2008, 08:02 AM
What fabulous pictures D&T.
Two weeks ago 2 bananas I planted over a year ago, finally germinated and they do not yet have two leaves. Those bananas in the picture, how old are they?
Congrats.... Donna
Dean W.
05-08-2008, 11:13 AM
I have another sprout coming up.:2182: It's so close to the other one. I don't know if I should try to divide them or not. Should I just leave them alone? There in a community pot. Thanks a bunch.:bunchonanas:
Randy4ut
05-08-2008, 01:55 PM
Mr. BananaBill,
Congrats, and thanks for the update!!! Man, looks like you have what it takes to get these babies coaxed up and growing!!! Sorry, I can't venture a guess on the brown/black speck on the leaf, but it doesn't look like much to worry about. Hopefully one of the "true" nanner gurus will be able to shed some light on what caused it. Again, congrats on the success you are having with the seeds, and please keep us updated to their progress....
Randy
Banana_Bill
05-08-2008, 03:12 PM
Somehow, I managed to delete my post, so I am reposting the pictures of my new nana sprouts.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=9501&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9501)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=9502&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9502)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=9503&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9503)
dpren3275
05-11-2008, 07:50 AM
Congratulations Dean on your two new babies last week. Keep going! you are doing so well!
dpren3275
05-11-2008, 07:59 AM
Nineteen!What a great crop! How many seeds did you plant Banana Bill that you managed to get 19 to germinate? :bungejumpnaner: Great pictures too! Keep us all posted; we all are interested to see your progress.
mskitty38583
05-11-2008, 08:57 AM
congrat on all the new sprouts! wahoo! you guys do a great job!:nanadrink::2759::bananas_g:02:
AllenF
05-11-2008, 04:52 PM
Hi Dean;
I left my M. violacea much longer in the pot and they seemed to preform better if they have 1 or 2 open leaves to help the repair the root damage that will occur when they are transplanted.
The 3 M. velutina that I have had trouble with were transplanted before the first leaf opened. 2 of them were put into fertilized potting soil and died. With the last one, I moved it out of the fertilized soil and into unfertilized soil before it was dead. So far it is still alive-just barely.
Allen
D_&_T
05-11-2008, 05:33 PM
Randy glad to post up dates for you, hope to get them all thru the winter!
Dpren they are about 5 months old.
Dean W.
05-11-2008, 10:24 PM
Allen,
Thanks for the input. It's very helpful, I'll leave them alone tell they get bigger. Counted three today. :)
Banana_Bill
05-13-2008, 03:02 PM
Hi Dpren,
I sowed about 60 seeds during the last Oct and Nov, hoping to get a couple to sprout. Since I posted the pictures, I have had more come up. I now have a total of 29 baby bananas, and more plants than I know what to do with. I will keep a few, and give or trade rest away.
Congratulations to everyone with sprouts. Those of you who are still waiting, don't give up yet. Patience is the key here.
AllenF
05-13-2008, 04:20 PM
Congrats Dean; I hope that you get more.
Allen
Dean W.
05-13-2008, 05:52 PM
Allen,
Thanks I hope I get some more to. I started another pot of banana seeds that I had in an incubator. They wern't doing anything so I just put them outside like the others. :woohoonaner:
magicgreen
05-25-2008, 08:17 AM
Hi Randy!
Well I do beleive I got a nanna!!!!!:waving:
I started this , 1-30-08, in the pop pot with ponderosa lemon
seeds ( thanks mskitty).
This pot hasnt been moved from this location since its been
planted.
The only thing is.......
I don't know if its the seed from you or Austin!!!!!!!:moonwalknaner:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd141/LYNNSGARDEN2007/IMG_0276.jpg
Randy4ut
05-25-2008, 02:36 PM
Super clear pic, Lynn!!!! Congrats, on whatever kind of nanner it is. I honestly hope it is one of Austin's as I have yet to have any luck with the ones I received from him. Hey, if it is Austin's, you can be the Musella germinator and everyone else will have to send their Musella seeds to you and you can in turn send velutina to them. Talking about cohabitation!!! Takes for the update and when I get a little larger, be sure to post more pics and keep up in the loop~~~
mskitty38583
05-25-2008, 06:02 PM
lynn did you take that pic with your new camera???? if so, thats a GREAT pic!!!!! lovely little nana tree! where are the rest of the pics you promised to post????? LOL!:waving: btw.....congrats on your new baby!!! its about time! wahoo!!!:waving::2767::2214:
austinl01
07-06-2008, 08:02 PM
Last year, Randy sent me some musa velutina seeds. I had trouble germinating them and got one to sprout November 2007. I babied it indoors during the winter and planted it out in April. It is now rewarding me with a flower! The pseudostem is only 3 feet tall. Now, this year I may have seeds! Thanks, Randy!
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/Bananas/DSCN0465_07122008_065.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/Bananas/DSCN0494_07312008_094.jpg
I like how this pic shows the flag leaf perfectly.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/Bananas/DSCN0434_07062008_005.jpg
austinl01
07-06-2008, 08:04 PM
The only thing is.......
I don't know if its the seed from you or Austin!!!!!!!:moonwalknaner:
Congrats on your sprout! We'll see if it turns into a musella or a musa over time, I guess. I haven't heard of any musella sprouts yet so this just may be the first! Keep us posted. Ain't it fun?
Chironex
07-07-2008, 12:24 AM
Way to go Austin! It sure must be a happy moment for you! Keep up the good work.
dablo93
07-07-2008, 03:38 AM
your velutina is looking perfect! :2223:
Chironex
07-08-2008, 12:52 AM
Randy--put 60 seeds to soak from wednesday nite last. Over the week end I bought 1 bag germinating mix--which is really just top soil,peat moss, and sand.
Today I separated them 60 seeds into four batches of 15 each.
One batch i put into small ziplock baggie with just moist paper towel (no soil). Put this baggie on my computer table under my reading lamp.
One batch i put in another ziplock with germinating mix--place this baggie outside for mother nature to play with
One batch i put into small plastic container about the size of a ice cream container with germinating mix. Put this container under my reading lamp on the computer table.
Last batch i put into another plastic container and place in my bedroom which really should be at room temperature.
Will update y'all when something happens.
Did you sterilize the seeds before putting them in the containers? 10% bleach solution for a few seconds will help clean them. Rinse with water after that, then put a little bit of charcoal dust, cinnamon or chamomile tea in the mix to help reduce fungus from growing. Also helps with damping off in non-sterile soil. Just a few tips I have picked up along the way. Good luck!
Dean W.
07-09-2008, 12:56 PM
Looks great, Austin!
austinl01
07-13-2008, 10:17 AM
The flower has now opened up and is looking great. I can't believe I have little pink bananas! :goteam:
Is this banana self pollinating? Any chance of seeds?
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/Bananas/DSCN0541_08182008_31.jpg
Randy4ut
07-13-2008, 11:31 AM
Congrats, Austin... Looks great!!! You will probably have more seeds than you will know what to do with... Keep us posted...
mskitty38583
07-13-2008, 12:09 PM
that is just beautiful!
Dean W.
07-13-2008, 02:00 PM
Cool Pic!:woohoonaner:
Dean W.
07-13-2008, 07:37 PM
Here's my seedlings! I got the seed from, Randy!:woohoonaner:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=11327&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11327)
xavierdlc61887
07-13-2008, 07:43 PM
great job :D
austinl01
07-31-2008, 11:08 PM
Update of my pink bananas. Another plant has a flower emerging! The entire Velutina grove.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/austinl01/Bananas/DSCN0540_08182008_30.jpg
Dean W.
08-01-2008, 01:31 PM
Way to go, Austin!
austinl01
08-01-2008, 02:24 PM
Thanks! I never knew how amazing this banana was until I started growing it this year! I wish I would have had this great ornamental many years ago. I must thank my good friend Randy for the seeds and for sending me a corm earlier this year. He really deserves all the credit.
Inoneear
08-12-2008, 04:51 PM
I may be slow, but i'm consistent. Sorry for the late post!
About two weeks ago the weather went sideways,rainy and down to 7c low and 12c high for over 8 days. Sounds right for a Vancouver summer. Checked the seeds on the side of the house to find 80% + started to sprout. I've only let them dry out about 3 times this summer.Soil temps up to 39.7c.
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=12259><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=12259&size=1 border=0></a>
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=12258><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=12258&size=1 border=0></a>
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=12256><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=12256&size=1 border=0></a>
Randy4ut
08-12-2008, 07:18 PM
Great job!!!! I was wondering if you were having any luck... 80%, huh!?!?! Wow, that is better than I would have thought. Best of luck with them and keep me posted as they mature!!!!
Randy
D_&_T
08-12-2008, 08:41 PM
We planted 4 outside about 10 days ago will post few pictures when shade
cloth comes off!! :woohoonaner:
We have one in a pot to winter inside.
Dean W.
08-13-2008, 10:27 AM
Great job!
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