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Bananaman88
08-19-2007, 12:13 PM
Can anyone help ID this banana?

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=4864&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4864&ppuser=824)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=4865&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4865&ppuser=824)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=4866&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4866&ppuser=824)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=4867&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4867&ppuser=824)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=4868&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4868&ppuser=824)

Hopefully this will work. I've never tried putting images in my posts before.

D_&_T
08-19-2007, 12:41 PM
sorry cant help, but nice looking pictures!

Dan & Tara

Bananaman88
08-19-2007, 12:52 PM
I posted some old photos of it before and got suggestions of 'Ice Cream' and 'Orinoco'. To me it looks very similar to 'Williams Hybrid' but so many of them look so much alike it's very hard to say. Here is a picture of it's fruit from 2 yrs. ago. Maybe that will help aid in it's identification.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=4003&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4003&ppuser=824)

Bananaman88
08-20-2007, 05:22 PM
All right, guys and gals...I know there have to be some of you out there with some ideas as to what this might be! Help a brotha out!!:2141:

MediaHound
08-20-2007, 09:45 PM
Maybe Orinoco

Gabe15
08-20-2007, 09:57 PM
I was thinking Orinoco at first, but the fruit does not match. It looks like an ABB (both Ice Cream and Orinoco are ABB), so Cardaba comes to mind, but I dont know. I suppose it could be a really full (the bunch) Orinoco, but Im not thinking so as Orinoco fingers tend to be less upright and more horizontal on the bunch.

MediaHound
08-21-2007, 10:45 AM
Good point, I misread that post - thought that pic was of Williams not this very plant up for ID. That would be a huge bunch for Orinoco.

Bananaman88
08-22-2007, 09:17 PM
I was thinking Orinoco at first, but the fruit does not match. It looks like an ABB (both Ice Cream and Orinoco are ABB), so Cardaba comes to mind, but I dont know. I suppose it could be a really full (the bunch) Orinoco, but Im not thinking so as Orinoco fingers tend to be less upright and more horizontal on the bunch.

Gabe,

From the pics I've seen of Cardaba, the fruits seem more blunt and somewhat rounded. These definitley are the classic banana shape. The fruits were somewhat drier than one would expect for a desert type so I have considered that it may be some type of plantain. As the fruit get a little more size to them, I'll post some more pics of the fruit. The close-ups of the flowers I posted don't help with the ID? Let me know if I should try to get some even tighter shots of the flowers.

Thanks!

Bananaman88
08-24-2007, 11:01 PM
Does anyone think this could possibly be 'California Gold'? This plant did survive winter in the ground in St. Louis for several years with nothing but some mulch heaped over the corms. I was doing some research on the Webebananas website and it lists CG as pretty cold hardy. How tall does CG get? They seemed to be saying it was fairly dwarf (6-8'). The banana I'm trying to ID easily gets in the 10-12' range. I guess if CG is a dwarf, then I'm out of luck again. I'd really like to know what I have here.

Taylor
08-25-2007, 08:26 AM
Yeah...
Mine is topping off at about 5 feet for the year, either deciding to bloom or not. It certainly looks like CG, but much too tall. I'm thinking tall Orinoco, but I could be wrong. Ill look back and see what everyone said.

Gabe15
08-25-2007, 08:34 AM
Ya its not looking like Cardaba, but Im fairly certain it is an ABB type, so not a plantain, but a cooking banana possibly (there is a difference). Look around for different ABB cooking types.

Bananaman88
08-25-2007, 08:47 AM
OK, now I really feel like a bonehead! I accidentally uploaded the wrong picture for ID. The one I posted a few posts back (the close up of the fruit) is from the banana about 5' from the one I'm trying to ID. All other posts are of the correct banana. I got to looking at the fruit picture a little closer and realized that I could see the edge of my gutters and that based on where the one I'm trying to ID is growing, there was no way that I could have posted the correct pic. In my defence, I did take that pic two years ago. So sorry for the confusion. Please disregard that fruit pic when trying to apply it to the first 4 or 5 pictures I posted.

Now, hopefully my brainfarts have all gone away and in a few moments I'll post some actual pics of the CORRECT fruit, w/ a close-up of flowers, along with one more pic of the plant in question. Yes, in case you were wondering, I am blonde, but I thought that only applied to the gals. Apparently not!:2760:

Bananaman88
08-25-2007, 09:06 AM
Here are photos I took just about 30 minutes ago...while it's all fresh in my mind! Again, sorry for the confusion everyone.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=5016&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=5016&ppuser=824)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=5015&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=5015&ppuser=824)


http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=5014&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=5014&ppuser=824)

Gabe15
08-25-2007, 02:13 PM
ahhhh, ok. In that case, I am much more confident in saying this one is 'Orinoco'. Now as for your other one you still don't know what it is, it is really looking like something in the Bluggoe group perhaps, but do you have any pictures of the mature fruit or can maybe describe the mature fruit (skin color, flavor, texture...)?

Bananaman88
08-25-2007, 02:34 PM
Gabe,

I've made such a mess of this post that now I'm confused about your response! The photo I have posted in this thread of the mostly mature fruit is one plant. Is that the one you're saying you think is Orinoco?

All other photos (including the last close ups of fruit and flowers and the last pic of immature fruit) are shots of the banana I've been trying to get an ID on from the start. Sorry that I goofed this up so much.

I've heard of Bluggoe...is that a distinct cultivar or a group of similar looking bananas? I don't really know anything about that particular name. Can you enlighten me or tell me where to look for some additional reading?

Thanks for all your help, Gabe. I hope you're still enjoying Hawaii!


ahhhh, ok. In that case, I am much more confident in saying this one is 'Orinoco'. Now as for your other one you still don't know what it is, it is really looking like something in the Bluggoe group perhaps, but do you have any pictures of the mature fruit or can maybe describe the mature fruit (skin color, flavor, texture...)?

Gabe15
08-25-2007, 04:49 PM
The one you've been trying to ID originally looks to me like 'Orinoco'. The one you erroneously posted a picture of looks to be in the Bluggoe group. 'Orinoco' is in fact a type of Bluggoe, however there are others as well that are similar plants, it is possible your other one (the picture of the full bunch) is another type of Bluggoe.

Gabe15
08-25-2007, 04:52 PM
This may help a little. It is not a definitive list of cultivars by any means, but it has a lot of good info and reference.

www.agroforestry.net/tti/Banana-plantain-overview.pdf

Bananaman88
08-25-2007, 06:49 PM
Thanks Gabe! I came across that agroforestry link while doing some research into Bluggoe after your message earlier. I certainly appreciate all the help with ID'ing. I'll be sure to post some more photos as the fruit develops on the one you think is Orinoco. No sign of even a flag yet on the one you think is in the Bluggoe group. Shouldn't be much longer now, though.

Taylor
08-25-2007, 07:54 PM
GABEEEEEE!
JUST YESTERDAY, I found that link, and saved it to the comp, and tried to print it (although did not work) It is interesting and cant wai tto try to print it out again...

pitangadiego
08-25-2007, 10:09 PM
Here is my Orinocco flower: http://webebananas.com/bpix/BP943-98.jpg

http://webebananas.com/bpix/BP943-98.jpg

Bananaman88
08-25-2007, 11:05 PM
Pitangadiego,

Upon comparison, both close-ups of the flowers look almost identical. So, maybe the one is Orinoco. Now, if I could only figure the other one out for sure. I'll have to wait for it to flower. Thanks for posting your pic!