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PR-Giants
01-24-2016, 07:19 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=51991 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=51991)

Botanical_Bryce
01-24-2016, 07:48 PM
This plant is holding up amazingly well at freezing tempereatures for me.

Mark Dragt
01-24-2016, 08:44 PM
This plant is holding up amazingly well at freezing tempereatures for me.

Good to know. It's on my list.
:woohoonaner:

Botanical_Bryce
01-24-2016, 08:48 PM
When I get pups I can start sharing

Mark Dragt
01-24-2016, 08:59 PM
Right on!
:woohoonaner::woohoonaner::woohoonaner:

Botanical_Bryce
01-24-2016, 09:21 PM
You know which I want

Mark Dragt
01-24-2016, 09:49 PM
You know which I want

Yes I do. And when I get a pup of decent size, it's in the mail to you.
:nanadrink:

Botanical_Bryce
01-24-2016, 09:57 PM
:2722:

:woohoonaner:

PR-Giants
01-24-2016, 11:02 PM
This plant is holding up amazingly well at freezing tempereatures for me.

You gotta know by now that you don't have a 3640, but thanks for the noid info. :ha:

Botanical_Bryce
01-24-2016, 11:12 PM
How do you know if you have never seen it?

Mark Dragt
01-24-2016, 11:25 PM
How do you know if you have never seen it?

Keith knows more about banana plants than most anyone on the planet. He has grown and seen more plants than most anyone. He can brobably base his claim on the cold hardiness of the plant alone. He doesn't need to see it. I guess for everyone to be on the same page, how cold did it get? And yes, post a pict of the plant you believe to be a sh3640. Myself, I don't know how hardy the plant is. But when an expert like Keith speaks up, I listen.
:nanadrink:

Botanical_Bryce
01-24-2016, 11:32 PM
This is the parent.
SH-3640 - Yellow Banana Co. (http://yellowbananacompany.weebly.com/sh-3640.html)

Botanical_Bryce
01-24-2016, 11:33 PM
For me vague statements are annoying not educational or productive.

PR-Giants
01-24-2016, 11:38 PM
How do you know if you have never seen it?

There was a link in the first reply to your thread about where you bought it. If you had followed it you would have realized the person who sold it to you had it listed as an unknown variety but sold it to you as a SH-3640.

Botanical_Bryce
01-24-2016, 11:42 PM
Don't see any links.

PR-Giants
01-24-2016, 11:45 PM
For me vague statements are annoying not educational or productive.

Does this look familiar? :ha:

This banana is about 8-10ft tall with several hands. it had a pretty stout flower before all the fruit emerged.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56708&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56708&ppuser=18822)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56709&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56709&ppuser=18822)


thanks in advance for all your help!

Botanical_Bryce
01-24-2016, 11:46 PM
Did he ever get an answer? What is it?

PR-Giants
01-24-2016, 11:53 PM
Don't see any links.

Can you see it now?

This is their profile here.

Bananas.org - View Profile: Jessedian (http://www.bananas.org/member-jessedian.html)

Botanical_Bryce
01-24-2016, 11:58 PM
I will repeat myself.
Did he ever get an answer? What is it?

Kegas76
01-25-2016, 02:03 PM
Apparently he didn't
http://www.bananas.org/f12/could-sh-3640-a-21108.html#post251904
so he just started calling it "Sweetheart 3640"
SH-3640 - Yellow Banana Co. (http://yellowbananacompany.weebly.com/sh-3640.html)

Where did the sweetheart come from; isn't that FHIA-3?

Kat2
01-25-2016, 03:05 PM
You were sold a banana plant; hopefully the fruit tastes good. This happens all of the time which is why I'm growing 11 mystery bananas although 7 of those came to me with ID tags. (Okay, I'm 99.99999% certain that the DC I purchased at Lowes is a DC.) Once they flower, I'll post pictures and hope to have confirmation or good guesses.

Botanical_Bryce
01-25-2016, 03:11 PM
I have people asking me for pups. I would hate to give them pups and them not be true. Rude to be critisized and made fun of with no help with id.

Kat2
01-25-2016, 03:44 PM
Nobody intends to be rude but it seems that long time members sometimes get a little peevish about the ID issue presented by some newbies. The people who sold you the pup asked here for ID; for some reason it wasn't possible for expert members to do so. Apparently they chose to call it what they want (unless they found another source for ID) and are selling pups. I have given away 2 pups from my DC to neighbors who aren't concerned about the variety; I would never sell/trade or give away any others (including those I purchase or acquire anywhere) without explaining that mixups do occur.

Botanical_Bryce
01-25-2016, 03:52 PM
This issue is not new to me. But experts can share opinion based on education instead of making jokes about people. I have never seen experts so rude on any other format. Taxonomy and mix up is nothing new. Everyone gets sick of it across all species. Not everyone insult people they offer diagnostic suggestion.

Botanical_Bryce
01-25-2016, 03:55 PM
He offered no help to the original sell. Such as those don't look like it to me for the following reasons... He knowingly ignored the post then had no problem ignoring me so I could be his laughing stock.

Kat2
01-25-2016, 04:16 PM
I am not him so I can't say why he "made fun of you" or why he didn't reply. I raised figs for many years; it didn't take me long to realize how mixed up those are. Jaded and wiser when I took up collecting bananas I hoped for more clarity. Ha! It didn't take long reading this forum to know that you take a chance buying them even from established vendors. (Read up on Agri Starts.) What to do? I'm doing what I did with figs: grow what works in my area and bears a breba crop (not valid with musa) with excellent flowers and don't sweat "name brand" recognition. Can hardly wait for my 11 to flag.

Botanical_Bryce
01-25-2016, 04:21 PM
I have a list and location of all my bananas. I am finding that I am putting question marks by several on my list. I do plan to from now on get my plants from an agristart supplier.

Kat2
01-25-2016, 04:38 PM
I have a list and location of all my bananas. I am finding that I am putting question marks by several on my list. I do plan to from now on get my plants from an agristart supplier.Well, don't buy an ice cream or Blue Java that way; buy from a member such as crazybanana. Agri starts TCs from a mother plant; if they have misidentified mother plant (which happens--heck even TARS has mixups), then GIGO.

Botanical_Bryce
01-25-2016, 04:47 PM
Supposed my ice cream came from going bananas.

Kat2
01-25-2016, 04:50 PM
If it's not a BJ or IC, it's a Namwah which many believe is a superior fruit. Did your source have pictures of fruit? I've been told that if it wasn't blue skinned, it's not real.

Botanical_Bryce
01-25-2016, 05:03 PM
I saw the glaucus fruits in person.

Botanical_Bryce
01-25-2016, 05:04 PM
Very dusty like

edzone9
01-25-2016, 05:06 PM
Never herd the 3640 called Sweet-Hart , also 3640 fruits at 5-6 ft not 12ft..
I think its something else..

Ed

Botanical_Bryce
01-25-2016, 05:08 PM
3640 is high noon. Sweet heart is fhia 3

Botanical_Bryce
01-25-2016, 05:11 PM
This says 8 to 10 feet.Musa SH-3640 - Bananas Wiki (http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_SH-3640)

Botanical_Bryce
01-25-2016, 05:12 PM
I am going to check how tall his was. Funny he calls it sweet heart

PR-Giants
01-25-2016, 07:08 PM
Stop crying, you're not a victim. I helped you on the very first day by pointing you in the right direction so you could learn that your plant was not and still isn't a SH-3640. You were the one being rude by not using the information to help yourself. It takes no special skills, just the willingness to do it, and it appears you prefer that someone else does it for you.

Although you probably won't admit it you're part of the problem, not the solution. There is nothing wrong with identifying the plant before you start distributing them, but too many folks don't want to do it that way and the problem just keeps getting bigger.



If you search you probably can find a thread with links to help identify your banana, or you can just keep complaining. :ha:




He offered no help to the original sell. Such as those don't look like it to me for the following reasons... He knowingly ignored the post then had no problem ignoring me so I could be his laughing stock.

This issue is not new to me. But experts can share opinion based on education instead of making jokes about people. I have never seen experts so rude on any other format. Taxonomy and mix up is nothing new. Everyone gets sick of it across all species. Not everyone insult people they offer diagnostic suggestion.



I have people asking me for pups. I would hate to give them pups and them not be true. Rude to be critisized and made fun of with no help with id.

robguz24
01-25-2016, 07:12 PM
I have a list and location of all my bananas. I am finding that I am putting question marks by several on my list. I do plan to from now on get my plants from an agristart supplier.

It's quite a problem with banana collecting unfortunately. I have probably 4 "Goldfingers" by now, none being the real thing and no idea what any of them really are. They're different from each other and different from anything else I have.

I've had issues with Agristarts, local sellers, online sellers, and even botanical gardens where you think they'd be pretty certain what they are growing and selling. And I have been part of the problem too, as I've sold pups from ones that hadn't fruited yet, trusting my source. I don't do that anymore, but it's annoying because they can put out many before fruiting for the first time and allowing a pretty definitive ID.

Bananas.org is like so many other forums. Please don't get too discouraged if you feel disrespected. Most here are happy to help and since many of us are just hobbyists, we don't mind whether we are considered authorities or not. I'm certainly not an authority on anything beyond my own yard (and sometimes not even that), though I'll give my opinion at times, especially when things seem pretty clear.

edzone9
01-25-2016, 08:16 PM
It happens to all of us , ill send you a 3640 in the spring just remind me , we all are here to learn and help .

Ed

Botanical_Bryce
01-25-2016, 10:48 PM
Thanks

HMelendez
01-28-2016, 09:16 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=51991 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=51991)


What a nice size SH-3640 banana bunch!.....


Thanks Keith for sharing this beautiful, eye candy picture!.....


My SH-3640 still growing steady!....Very waxy and beautiful!......

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=59410 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59410)

.....Please, Keith did you check my thread/post "Updated of My Bananas & Plantains?"......

Natureboy
01-31-2016, 10:01 PM
Keith, on a previous thread, you stated that SH 3640 is "not up to the quality of a store bought Cavendish". What exactly do you mean by that? I'm assuming you are referring to typical characteristics desired from commercial varieties (holding up in shipping, etc.) because most people don't find the taste of Cavendish of a very high quality.

PR-Giants
02-01-2016, 09:40 AM
Keith, on a previous thread, you stated that SH 3640 is "not up to the quality of a store bought Cavendish". What exactly do you mean by that? I'm assuming you are referring to typical characteristics desired from commercial varieties (holding up in shipping, etc.) because most people don't find the taste of Cavendish of a very high quality.

We are a small island and our "store bought" Cavendish are the same quality as "farm fresh". The opinions I write are a collection from thousands of folks, locals and tourists from around the world who have tasted and compared bananas grown in near perfect conditions.

We can grow any dessert banana here and Cavendish dominate almost 100% of the market and it's not "because most people don't find the taste of Cavendish of a very high quality".

By 7am this morning we had filled a truck with free bananas, most were FHIA, Pome, Huamoa, Awak and none were Cavendish, they saw some beautiful Guineo Blancos and asked for them several times but had no chance of leaving with them.

Seconds after this photo, this 134 lb. FHIA-3 bunch was rolled into the compost and if the FHIA-3 bunch below that does not appear substantially heavier than 134 lb. it will be fed to Tiny later this week.

Your concern should be with what cultivars that you're able to successfully grow and how they taste under your conditions.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=51746 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=51746)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=57184 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=57184)

Tiny

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=52483 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=52483)

Natureboy
02-01-2016, 11:39 AM
That's interesting, Keith. So, you're saying most people in PR (whether locals or tourists) prefer the taste of Cavendish over other bananas and you actually give away the other banana varieties for free?

I gave my sister-in-law in Merritt Island, FL a number of banana varieties over the years (Namwa, Brazilian, etc.) and she has gradually eliminated them all in favor of growing exclusively D. Cavendish. It boggles my mind but she says she prefers the taste of Cavendish and they grow better in her yard.

I was always successful with Cavendish and would harvest huge bunches. They tasted better than those in the store, but still do not compare (personally) to many of the varieties that can be grown locally. Plus, Cavendish was the least cold-tolerant of all my cultivars. Thanks for the perspective from PR.

PR-Giants
02-01-2016, 04:17 PM
So, you're saying most people in PR (whether locals or tourists) prefer the taste of Cavendish over other bananas?


No, I said



The opinions I write are a collection from thousands of folks, locals and tourists from around the world who have tasted and compared bananas grown in near perfect conditions.


you actually give away the other banana varieties for free?




Yes, I sell plantains and the other banana varieties are free but the first-class eating bananas are for family & friends.




"Brazilian. The fruit is subacid and of poor quality; it has little to recommend it as a dessert banana (to a West Indian trained taste, at least), and its acceptance in Hawaii seems to be a good example of the power of need and habit in influencing the demands of a market." - Norman Simmonds | Musa Hall of Fame (http://www.promusa.org/Norman+Simmonds)

merce3
02-01-2016, 11:48 PM
We are a small island and our "store bought" Cavendish are the same quality as "farm fresh". The opinions I write are a collection from thousands of folks, locals and tourists from around the world who have tasted and compared bananas grown in near perfect conditions.

We can grow any dessert banana here and Cavendish dominate almost 100% of the market and it's not "because most people don't find the taste of Cavendish of a very high quality".

By 7am this morning we had filled a truck with free bananas, most were FHIA, Pome, Huamoa, Awak and none were Cavendish, they saw some beautiful Guineo Blancos and asked for them several times but had no chance of leaving with them.

Seconds after this photo, this 134 lb. FHIA-3 bunch was rolled into the compost and if the FHIA-3 bunch below that does not appear substantially heavier than 134 lb. it will be fed to Tiny later this week.

Your concern should be with what cultivars that you're able to successfully grow and how they taste under your conditions.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=51746 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=51746)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=57184 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=57184)

Tiny

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=52483 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=52483)


Any more information on Guineo Blanco? Never heard of that one before.

PR-Giants
02-02-2016, 10:27 AM
Any more information on Guineo Blanco? Never heard of that one before.

It has many names but this is the most commonly used by farmers here.

Guineo Blanco - Bananas Wiki (http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Puerto_Rican_Verdin#Cultivar_Name)

Kegas76
02-02-2016, 01:27 PM
Aha! that explains why the Musa Verdin (http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Verdin) page in the wiki is bare.

This can be found on page 105 (120/226) of
Catalog of Musa Accessions Mantained by USDA-ARS TARS (http://sun.ars-grin.gov/may/documents/CatalogFinal-v1.0-web.pdf) (PDF 232 MB)[thanks to Gabe for linking this]

PR-Giants
02-03-2016, 08:04 AM
This is easier. :)

Verdin 17150 (https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/accessiondetail.aspx?id=1647332)



This can be found on page 105 (120/226) of
Catalog of Musa Accessions Mantained by USDA-ARS TARS (http://sun.ars-grin.gov/may/documents/CatalogFinal-v1.0-web.pdf) (PDF 232 MB)[thanks to Gabe for linking this]

PR-Giants
02-03-2016, 08:08 AM
I gave my sister-in-law in Merritt Island, FL a number of banana varieties over the years (Namwa, Brazilian, etc.) and she has gradually eliminated them all in favor of growing exclusively D. Cavendish. It boggles my mind but she says she prefers the taste of Cavendish and they grow better in her yard.



That is not at all surprising and I applaud her for learning it on her own.

Written in 1970.

"In the late 1950's, ': Dwarf Cavendish' is said
by Simmonds to have accounted for 26 per cent
of total exports, second in importance after
'Gros Michel' but declining in Australia at least,
in favour of 'Giant Cavendish'. Its merit is an
apparent tolerance of cool growing conditions,
its drawback shorter fruits which project from
the bunch to invite damage in transit, a lesser
problem nowadays when fruit tends to be carried
in boxes as hands, clusters or even single fruits.
'Giant Cavendish' has these faults to a lesser
degree."


Keith, on a previous thread, you stated that SH 3640 is "not up to the quality of a store bought Cavendish". What exactly do you mean by that?

Nobody needs to be told that the fruit are mushy, it's been known for decades and reinforced upon eating.

Written in 1970.

"It may still be some years, perhaps a decade
even, before a tetraploid cultivar will enter the
trade. We now have rather good cultivars, with
resistance to Panama disease and to Sigatoka
Leaf Spot, but problems remain. The tetraploids
take longer to mature a bunch than the Caven
dish sub-group and the ripe fruits may not be
as acceptable on a competitive consumer market,
because they are generally softer in texture and
less sweet."

Nicolas Naranja
02-03-2016, 09:56 AM
I gave my sister-in-law in Merritt Island, FL a number of banana varieties over the years (Namwa, Brazilian, etc.) and she has gradually eliminated them all in favor of growing exclusively D. Cavendish. It boggles my mind but she says she prefers the taste of Cavendish and they grow better in her yard.

Dwarf Cavendish is what started my banana farming. There were a bunch in the yard of a house I was renting, and I did nothing and they yielded 30-50 lbs bunches regularly. They were really good too, they actually tasted like bananas. 8 years later I am still at it, although I don't have any dwarf cavendish. I have planted a lot of Williams over the past few months though.

edzone9
02-06-2016, 08:01 AM
I Just tasted my 1st 3640, We very much like the taste, Similar to the Cavendish but a little Milder, Its much better than my Namwah And Tall Brazilian fruit, So this spring i will remove the remaining Namwah & Brazilian and Plant The French Red, Gold Finger & Manini I got from Keith , The 3640's will remain in my yard..:08:

Thanks Ed

edzone9
02-06-2016, 10:50 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=59448&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59448&ppuser=14807)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=59447&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59447)

I just enjoyed a few of the 3640 this morning, And i must say to the Members that this is one excellent tasting Banana !, Its a keeper !..

I did take longer to ripen, than the Namwah, Brazilian and Orionoco, But it has a Taste Similar To the cavendish but with a slight Citrus Overtone.

Im diggin This Banana!

PS these where harvested before the due date, Due to the Frost ..
Ed

HMelendez
02-06-2016, 11:10 AM
I Just tasted my 1st 3640, We very much like the taste, Similar to the Cavendish but a little Milder, Its much better than my Namwah And Tall Brazilian fruit, So this spring i will remove the remaining Namwah & Brazilian and Plant The French Red, Gold Finger & Manini I got from Keith , The 3640's will remain in my yard..:08:

Thanks Ed


Congrats Ed!


Thank you bro, for sharing on the SH-3640 taste report!...Hopefully I will have my SH-3640 Banana fruiting, blooming soon!.....

I did the same....I got rid of my Namwah Banana mat and gave them to my friends and family....

Namwah Banana mat (gone)....
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=59449&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59449)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=59450&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59450)


I replaced the Namwah with the PR Morado Banana and PR Verdin Banana! (Guineo Blanco).....

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=59451 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59451)
From left to right: PR Cuerno De Alce (ARH) Plantain, PR Morado Banana and PR Verdin Banana (Guineo Blanco).....

edzone9
02-06-2016, 11:25 AM
Looking Good !, The 3640's will taste better at your location because of the weather, My Zone is not the prime location for Tropical s like your is:08:.

Still they taste Yummy !...

All I need is to establish the French Red Plantains & i will be a happy Camper !..

Ed