View Full Version : 'SH-3640' - Best of the FHIA Line
PR-Giants
02-07-2015, 06:17 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54315 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=54315)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=57033 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=57033)
Hammocked Banana
02-07-2015, 08:31 PM
Why do you think it is "the best?" How long from flower to harvest?
PR-Giants
02-08-2015, 08:41 AM
Two large studies were done here, one had the SH-3640 as 'overall best tasting synthetic banana' and the other showed it to be the shortest cycle and the second shortest plant of the FHIA in the study.
Two problems with the SH-3640
1. Susceptibility to Sigatoka - which the study and also my professional experience has showed should not be a major concern to the grower. The index is low at flowering and higher than the other FHIA cultivars at harvest, but because it has the shortest cycle BLS does not have the necessary time to be detrimental.
2. Short shelf life.
edzone9
02-08-2015, 09:43 AM
That is good to hear , I have 2 3640's in the Ground here in NE Florida, and if I can add that when a Hard Frost hits, Its The 1st to recover ,From My Other Bananas Like Orionoco, namwah .. Also Its A great looking Plant , Leaves stay Green Lmy other bananas , Im very happy with them & They will stay in My Garden , Unlike My Orionocos, & Namwah , I Will be replacing those with other varieties this summer..
Ed
crazy banana
02-08-2015, 12:52 PM
That is good to hear , I have 2 3640's in the Ground here in NE Florida, and if I can add that when a Hard Frost hits, Its The 1st to recover ,From My Other Bananas Like Orionoco, namwah .. Also Its A great looking Plant , Leaves stay Green Lmy other bananas , Im very happy with them & They will stay in My Garden , Unlike My Orionocos, & Namwah , I Will be replacing those with other varieties this summer..
Ed
Ed, I have two SH 3640 as well, but have not tasted the fruits yet. I agree on the recovery point after a frost, both plants look a lot nicer than any of my other (8 )varieties.
Out of curiosity: I get the Orinoco replacement but why are you planning to replace the Namwah and with what? They are very productive here and everyone loves the fruit.
edzone9
02-08-2015, 01:41 PM
I have 3 matts of namwah, We liked the taste of the bananas , but the store bought Cavendish taste better to me, so I will be removing 2 matts of Namwah and replacing with The Real Deal BJ I got from you , and French Red Plantain From Keith , I have no Plantains in my garden so im balancing out my Grove , I am keeping 1 namwah matt .
I also have 2 Mona Lisa Planted .
Ed
crazy banana
02-08-2015, 02:14 PM
I have 3 matts of namwah, We liked the taste of the bananas , but the store bought Cavendish taste better to me, so I will be removing 2 matts of Namwah and replacing with The Real Deal BJ I got from you , and French Red Plantain From Keith , I have no Plantains in my garden so im balancing out my Grove , I am keeping 1 namwah matt .
I also have 2 Mona Lisa Planted .
Ed
That is interesting.
No one of my family members or friends would ever prefer a store bought Cavendish over one of my Namwah (and it is honesty over being polite ;). )
We like the Blue Java and are munching on a great bunch right now as I type, but past bunches have not been consistent enough.
I would never get rid of my Namwah, but I understand you are just downsizing on them.
My apologies to the OP, did not mean to side track this thread. Coming back to the title of this thread now: I cannot wait to taste fruits of my SH3640, but so far it needs to grow a little more. BTW: what is the average fruiting height of it?
edzone9
02-08-2015, 03:06 PM
Im keeping that 1 matt of Namwah to see if next time the fruit quality will improve, Maybe it didn't hang enuff time on the plant ?, I did taste a Namwah At Going bananas & Tasted Great .. The Jury Is still out Though ;) ..
Ed
sunfish
02-08-2015, 03:12 PM
Can I want one
crazy banana
02-08-2015, 10:55 PM
Im keeping that 1 matt of Namwah to see if next time the fruit quality will improve, Maybe it didn't hang enuff time on the plant ?, I did taste a Namwah At Going bananas & Tasted Great .. The Jury Is still out Though ;) ..
Ed
Even though Namwah has a tendency to split, I do like to harvest them at the first sign of color change. Yummy!
PR-Giants
02-09-2015, 09:34 PM
That is good to hear , I have 2 3640's in the Ground here in NE Florida, and if I can add that when a Hard Frost hits, Its The 1st to recover ,From My Other Bananas Like Orionoco, namwah .. Also Its A great looking Plant , Leaves stay Green Lmy other bananas , Im very happy with them & They will stay in My Garden , Unlike My Orionocos, & Namwah , I Will be replacing those with other varieties this summer..
Ed
Namwa suck but if they're the best you can grow then they're great, I'm just glad I don't have to eat them. I'd say a SH-3640 is about 7 times better than a Namwa and just below the quality of a Cavendish, I grow enough top quality bananas so there's no need to eat any synthetics or Cavs. Although occasionally I miss that crisp tearing sound when peeling a perfectly ripe Cavendish.
PR-Giants
02-09-2015, 09:44 PM
This study also included the FHIA-21, 6 EMBRAPA cultivars, 2 TMB cultivars, and the CRBP-39.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=57033 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=57033)
edzone9
02-10-2015, 07:08 AM
can not wait to taste the 3640 ! ..
Ed
Julian
02-11-2015, 12:41 AM
I have 3 matts of namwah, We liked the taste of the bananas , but the store bought Cavendish taste better to me, so I will be removing 2 matts of Namwah and replacing with The Real Deal BJ I got from you , and French Red Plantain From Keith , I have no Plantains in my garden so im balancing out my Grove , I am keeping 1 namwah matt .
I also have 2 Mona Lisa Planted .
Ed
namwa is way better than BJ. So much so that I yanked my BJ out with a flower on it. Was just not worth waiting to kill it off.
Nicolas Naranja
02-11-2015, 11:12 AM
It failed the taste test for me. Which was a shame as it looked fantastic. I'll give it another cycle to see if it was a fluke.
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/20140902_112218_zps67f694d8.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/NicolasNaranja/media/20140902_112218_zps67f694d8.jpg.html)
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/20140929_191026_zps2c0e8238.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/NicolasNaranja/media/20140929_191026_zps2c0e8238.jpg.html)
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PR-Giants
02-11-2015, 01:29 PM
Thanks for the info, but it doesn't look like a SH-3640.
Next time leave the male bud on and try doing a proper ID.
With some experience you'll find the SH-3640 to be extremely easy to distinguish from the other common FHIA cultivars prior to bud emergence.
It failed the taste test for me. Which was a shame as it looked fantastic. I'll give it another cycle to see if it was a fluke.
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/20140902_112218_zps67f694d8.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/NicolasNaranja/media/20140902_112218_zps67f694d8.jpg.html)
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/20140929_191026_zps2c0e8238.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/NicolasNaranja/media/20140929_191026_zps2c0e8238.jpg.html)
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/20141004_200808_zps3npykdpt.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/NicolasNaranja/media/20141004_200808_zps3npykdpt.jpg.html)
Nicolas Naranja
02-11-2015, 03:00 PM
I have more pictures, and I am pretty sure it is 3640. I think I got mine from the same place as you.
PR-Giants
02-11-2015, 04:18 PM
I have more pictures...
Great... post as many as you want.
A good photo would be the male bud at 60 nodes.
SH-3640 @ 60 Nodes & 49 Days after last hand.
Dec 16, 14
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=57147 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=57147)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=57146 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=57146)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54141 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=54141)
Nicolas Naranja
02-14-2015, 11:50 PM
Great... post as many as you want.
A good photo would be the male bud at 60 nodes.
That would require that I actually keep the male bud, which is something I don't do...especially if I am bagging the bunch. It's definitely not FHIA-1, FHIA-18 or Dwarf Brazillian as a I have all those in the same row.
PR-Giants
02-15-2015, 11:00 AM
That would require that I actually keep the male bud, which is something I don't do...
Sometimes adults do things that they might not wanna do because their able to rationalize the benefit.
It's fairly common knowledge that leaving a male bud intact can be very helpful in identifying a banana plant.
By knowing what you're growing/tasting you'll be able to share meaningful data with others.
edzone9
02-15-2015, 11:46 AM
Im looking forward to tasting the 3640, If its a winner with my family, it stays in my Garden...
Ed
hydroid
02-25-2015, 10:52 PM
I'm also surprised that you would like the Cavendish over the Namwa. Have not tried the 3640 but I have real good luck with the Namwa and it's my "Go to banana for taste and yield. But that's what's fun about the bananas, diversity.
PR-Giants
02-28-2015, 09:09 AM
I'm also surprised that you would like the Cavendish over the Namwa. Have not tried the 3640 but I have real good luck with the Namwa and it's my "Go to banana for taste and yield. But that's what's fun about the bananas, diversity.
It's sad that that's the best banana you can grow, but trying to convince yourself it's good might not be the best solution.
After reading many posts from people like yourself, having to suffer with crappy bananas, I've made attempts to help. In the Tropics, we can grow all the cultivars, but consumers just won't buy the crappy bananas like the Namwa and Hua Moa. Plus in the Tropics it only takes us a few months to evaluate a cultivar as opposed to several years for you cold weather warriors.
I've been evaluating many cultivars for cycle duration, vigor, plant size, fruit size, bunch size, and eating qualities. Although I mainly focus on short cycle cultivars, which many appear promising.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54316 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=54316)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54312 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=54312)
Hua Moa vs. Tigua
Both are Pacific bananas in Genome group AAB
Cycle Duration
Both are Short Cycle
Vigor
Both are very vigorous
Plant Size
Both have similar height & girth
Fruit Size
Both acceptable
Bunch Size
Both acceptable
Taste
Hua Moa is a low quality cooking & dessert banana
Tigua, I'll have to wait a few more days but
I've been told to expect a very good banana.
Julian
02-28-2015, 11:33 PM
I'm also surprised that you would like the Cavendish over the Namwa. Have not tried the 3640 but I have real good luck with the Namwa and it's my "Go to banana for taste and yield. But that's what's fun about the bananas, diversity.
All things equal, I would take Namwa over Cavs every time. Cavs are bleh… The only reason I eat Cavs are that they are dirt cheap.
Nicolas Naranja
03-01-2015, 12:47 AM
But consumers just won't buy the crappy bananas like the Namwa and Hua Moa.
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I beg to differ. Someone is buying lots of Namwah and they are paying $0.90/lb wholesale to buy them. I sell enough Hua Moa at $0.50 per fruit, to say that someone is buying them. I put out samples, people love it and buy it. I get calls with some regularity because people find me on the internet and they want pallets of Hua Moa. I am not saying they are the best, but there is a pretty damn good market for them.
hydroid
03-01-2015, 07:10 AM
Those two crappy bananas Namwah and Hua Moa are bananas that Don "Going Bananas" recommended to me. i was just there this week and he told me Hua Moa was one of his favorites. I certainly don't claim to be an authority on bananas but I do respect Don's opinion and have had very good luck on his recommendations for my area. But my preference is most home grown naners over store bought Cavendish, but that's just me, your milage may vary.
Bo
Richard
06-18-2015, 09:28 PM
Gift from crazy_banana (http://www.bananas.org/member-crazy-banana.html)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58095&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58095)
crazy banana
06-18-2015, 10:43 PM
Gift from crazy_banana (http://www.bananas.org/member-crazy-banana.html)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58095&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58095)
Hope it will grow and fruit fast for you.
I am so excited to report that one of my SH3640 is putting out a flag leaf.:08:
Going Bananas
08-21-2015, 12:00 AM
Sometimes adults do things that they might not wanna do because their able to rationalize the benefit.
It's fairly common knowledge that leaving a male bud intact can be very helpful in identifying a banana plant.
By knowing what you're growing/tasting you'll be able to share meaningful data with others.
I agree with PRG.
Going through the photo gallery,
there isnt much pictures of the 3640
since the first pictures posted in 07
by Greenie and Nanaman.
In fact, there are only 3 pages totaling 50 pics.
Super dwarf cavendish has way more pics.
It would be great if for those who have them
to PLEASE take pics and post in the gallery so that if
Agristarts have these available as tc,
we can positively ID them albeit in tc,
adolescent and fruiting stage.
Cheers:bananas_b
merce3
09-01-2015, 08:08 PM
short sweet article on 3640:
http://www.bioline.org.br/pdf?cs08003
compares fruit quality to gran nain and scores it the highest of the fhia's tested.
sputinc7
09-19-2016, 06:22 PM
Please put me firmly in the "Don't like Namwah" category. Tried them twice from two different places. They tasted the same and I didn't like either one. I was so looking forward to liking them, as I have two in my yard. My kids didn't care for them, either but my wife liked them. I tried them both times in varying stages of ripeness. I just do not like them, sorry.
That said, I recently got a 3 foot 3640 pup from Worm farmer and it's starting to take off so maybe next summer I will have some of those to eat. My theory is that some have the real deal 3640 and others got an imposter from somewhere, and I don't know who got the real one so I will be taking lots of pics and doing the legwork and whatever I have, I hope I like them.
Jonifg
05-22-2017, 09:08 PM
Thanks for the info, but it doesn't look like a SH-3640.
Next time leave the male bud on and try doing a proper ID.
With some experience you'll find the SH-3640 to be extremely easy to distinguish from the other common FHIA cultivars prior to bud emergence.
Why do you bag the bunch?
sputinc7
05-22-2017, 10:12 PM
Bagging the bunch is done mostly for aesthetic purposes, like those spots on your bananas. It makes them prettier, mostly.
Jonifg
05-23-2017, 08:33 AM
Ok good to know......
Another question from a newbie.....
Do you bag a few if you want them to ripen at different rates...,do you bag the whole bunch while on the tree for a beautiful bunch.....do you bag them just as they are getting ripe......yes, I really am a newbie, I am on my second stalk.
sputinc7
05-23-2017, 01:45 PM
http://www.shareagfoundation.org/images/blogs/belize14.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3Mijm3UbYK4/ULSHidrnIjI/AAAAAAAAHhs/w1aCHf_5cTY/s1600/IMG01210-20121014-0654.jpg
http://hackingfamily.com/images/Banana2_CM.jpg
Hope that helps...
bananimal
05-24-2017, 09:47 AM
I believe Nick bags mature bunches for cosmetic reasons. Bugs, sun burn.... easier to sell.
I'm with Keith --- gotta love the SH3640 - one of my early mats.
I love my Viente Cohol also.
Joni --- I have pups if you want them.
Dan
Jonifg
05-24-2017, 01:18 PM
http://www.shareagfoundation.org/images/blogs/belize14.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3Mijm3UbYK4/ULSHidrnIjI/AAAAAAAAHhs/w1aCHf_5cTY/s1600/IMG01210-20121014-0654.jpg
http://hackingfamily.com/images/Banana2_CM.jpg
Hope that helps...
Yes it sure does, that is very helpful for me......thanks
Where do you get the bags?
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