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shawndac1
06-19-2014, 11:48 AM
does anyone know why my musa basjoo is growing so slow and still so small I got the Orinoco about 3 months after the musa and it has just taken off and doing so great they are planted in same soil and get fertilized at the same time, im wondering if the musa is water sucker or something it has been kinda pewnny since I purchased it :( the top row pic is the musa the bottom two are the Orinoco
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neferset
06-19-2014, 12:30 PM
Are they both getting the same amount of sunlight? If I find that one potted plant grows faster than another, I'll move the slow grower closer to the fast grower and it picks up. I also watch my yard for a good 6-8 hours of sunlight before I move certain plants to certain spots.
crazy banana
06-19-2014, 12:33 PM
My best guess is that your Basjoo is a tissue culture that is trying to establish some corm and root mass, while your Orinoco might have been a pup separated from a mat.
Did you buy them as TCs or pups?
shawndac1
06-19-2014, 12:53 PM
ummmm thanks guys and yes they are actually outside both in front of my drive on a rail road tie and get exactly the same aboutnt of light the basjoo I have had a year I looked it up today and ordered it from 9 greenbox on amazon it is just now putting on a new leaf, but u may be right about the tissue culture, is there a way to tell ???I the orinioco I bought from Wellsprings on ebay in feb of this year and it has tripled in size in just 4 months!!!1 and im not sure if they were tcs or pups I just assumed they where pups guess I should have done more research on um huh?
neferset
06-19-2014, 01:24 PM
All you had to say is 9GreenBox and WellSpring. They are both tissue culture. Those two don't sell pups.
shawndac1
06-19-2014, 01:32 PM
bahahah oh wow well aint that a *itch lol well either way I still don't understand y one is doing so well and the other is not don't make no sense, and who would you recommend me getting some actuall pups from?????
neferset
06-19-2014, 01:33 PM
I keep looking and one of your pots looks very faded, while the pot with the basjoo looks very new? Or are they different materials? I know lighter color pots are sometimes cooler to the roots than darker ones. Different materials also react differently when it comes to water and such.
neferset
06-19-2014, 01:36 PM
Members here, pretty much. My four bananas are all tissue culture babies (no basjoos or orinocos either) and none old enough to pup yet, but I'm sure you could find somebody here with a pup to sell.
shawndac1
06-19-2014, 03:01 PM
yea actually they are the same pots my mother in law gave me to when I first got the basjoo a jear ago jst one was in the sun and one was on her porch but hmmmm maybe this is the case thanks again mate cheers, maybe it will begin to grow and I will hopefully get some pups off of both !!!!
siege2050
06-19-2014, 07:34 PM
My Dwarf Cavendish, I bought from Greenbox was not Tc, it was actually a pretty good size pup. After looking at their site when I bought it, it appears some are Tc, some aren't, but the non Tc are more expensive, and with higher shipping.
Mauro Gibo
06-19-2014, 08:50 PM
bahahah oh wow well aint that a *itch lol well either way I still don't understand y one is doing so well and the other is not don't make no sense, and who would you recommend me getting some actuall pups from????? Hi shawndact, I have been growing many kinds of bananas these past 14 years. I believe the M. Basjoo or Japanese Banana's native place could be here in my region, mainland Japan, Honshu Island. What I can say by my experience in growing bananas is that the edible bananas grow very fast and will bloom in a year or so, but it takes about 3 years for the Musa Basjoo to bloom. The growth of the pseudostem is quite slow. Maybe half shade would help it grow taller and don't forget to water them a lot. A banana mat needs at least 4 gallons of water everyday, that's why they have irrigations at the banana plantations.
Cheers,
Mauro from the Basjoo country.
siege2050
06-19-2014, 09:52 PM
Hi shawndact, I have been growing many kinds of bananas these past 14 years. I believe the M. Basjoo or Japanese Banana's native place could be here in my region, mainland Japan, Honshu Island. What I can say by my experience in growing bananas is that the edible bananas grow very fast and will bloom in a year or so, but it takes about 3 years for the Musa Basjoo to bloom. The growth of the pseudostem is quite slow. Maybe half shade would help it grow taller and don't forget to water them a lot. A banana mat needs at least 4 gallons of water everyday, that's why they have irrigations at the banana plantations.
Cheers,
Mauro from the Basjoo country.
I have noticed this too, my Orinoco has grown almost 2 feet since may 1st, the Basjoo is very slow compared to it.
shawndac1
06-20-2014, 02:14 PM
hmmm maybe this is the case it it so sloooow growing lol I mean I have had it a year and got two leaves :( I hate this because it is the hardyiest and was hoping I could plant it outdoors this year but I rekon not lol, so even if it is tc will it still produce pups and a corm??? and I have them both planted in a sand/perilite and top soil mix but all equal parts, and I do keep it watered well but our summer just started where I live so it hasn't been very hot up until the last couple of weeks I did look at the roots today to see if they where staying to moist and noticed most of the roots are a dark brown or black there are only a few good solid white one so im thinking it has been staying to wet maybe it needs more sand? im using natural sand from a creek bed down the road from out house is this a bad idea??? I just cant understand the Orinoco roots are very healthy and tons of white on them, jst confusing lol how one can be doing great and the other so poor when in the same pot same sun and same soil with same fertilizer, but I will try moving to a place with a little more shade also here are a few pics of where they are both bananas are on each end of rail road tie in the biggest pots
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cincinnana
06-20-2014, 03:44 PM
Looked at the pics posted and this is my take....
The soil mix ratio that you are using could be too heavy .
You could more "air" in the soil, more fluff, more places for those roots to go.
I just took this pic of a Basjoo/Balbasiana cross in a pot with a lighter mix that you are using including the wheelbarrow that the mix is in.
I have found a lighter mix (more perlite and pine fines and peat moss).
More air is good .
Container mix is important.......https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3894/14466853172_a2bbd2bb1f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/o3opqY)Basjoo pups in container with type of mix I use . (https://flic.kr/p/o3opqY) by Hostafarian (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
Mauro Gibo
06-20-2014, 03:59 PM
My best guess is that your Basjoo is a tissue culture that is trying to establish some corm and root mass, while your Orinoco might have been a pup separated from a mat.
Did you buy them as TCs or pups? I agree with you crazy banana.
jbyrd88888
06-20-2014, 04:15 PM
........The soil mix ratio that you are using could be too heavy .
You could more "air" in the soil, more fluff, more places for those roots to go.
........I have found a lighter mix (more perlite and pine fines and peat moss).
More air is good .
Container mix is important.......
Well I agree with both Crazy and Cincin but I just wanna add: if you decide to try or add different soil and/or amendments, fill the pot up more and take em dang rocks outta there...lol just my 2 cent...more root space.
Outta all my naners growing this year (7 not TC) my Basjoo has blasted off past all of them and has already shot 4 pups! While 2 of my 3 TC are working on single pups, they are much smaller.
shawndac1
06-20-2014, 04:27 PM
ohhh wow lol kk thanks guys I will definitely try this and take the rocks out lol jst had them for decoration I recon guess it looked so pitiful lol , just seems like the more air the faster they would dry out guess that's why you have to water so much lol, and I should get PUPS?????
cincinnana
06-20-2014, 05:47 PM
This is a pic taken by me locally a week ago......not my garden but a BENCHMARK on what Basjoos will do in the spring in my zone...
Chest high .....
Tc Basjoos do not need a waiting period to take off like many other Musa.
Add all the right stuff and it is game on with these guy's.
I still think the soil needs to be reformulated to fit your plant.
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2938/14430090205_ff07ba4ed6_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nZ8Z5H)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/nZ8Z5H) by Hostafarian (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
shawndac1
06-21-2014, 07:30 AM
wow @cinci they are huge an yea im thinking im deffinetly going to change it up for sure, I did take the rocks out yesterday and got some peat moss also ,proably going to pick up some perilite, and pine shivers this weekend and see if we cant her growing, should I do my orinioco to ya think??? since it is doing so much better or just let it be????
cincinnana
06-21-2014, 09:05 AM
wow @cinci they are huge an yea im thinking im deffinetly going to change it up for sure, I did take the rocks out yesterday and got some peat moss also ,proably going to pick up some perilite, and pine shivers this weekend and see if we cant her growing, should I do my orinioco to ya think??? since it is doing so much better or just let it be????
Well...you could.
A lighter mix might benefit the growth of that one also. My Orinocos are in the same mix and are looking good as well.
No need to remove all the soil from the roots, lighten up your soil a bit around those roots and any new root growth will be in that new medium.
I do not use sand at all in my mix .
For me it makes a denser medium which holds more water and promotes possible root rot.
No need to spend alot of money to enhance your soil....maybe just peatmoss.
A decent starter fert is Espoma fertilizer for the garden.......great for getting those roots going and will not burn your newly placed plant.
You have a nice collection of plants there, lookin good.
shawndac1
06-21-2014, 12:32 PM
thanks for that info for sure because I was just looking at how much perilite is and oh my I would have to have quit a bit for both in those big pots ... an ughhh im beging to hate sand lol I thought It would be great for them ughhh, so I was thinking what about like a seed starter medium since it is airy and light weight ???? and a little cheaper on my pocket lol, I also read shreaded newspaper would help aerate the soil to, any ideas about these two? an thanks on my plants I usually can make just about anything I touch grow not tryin to brag but my mother was the same way, I love them dearly lol, but this basjoo has got me stumped ha ha
Mauro Gibo
06-21-2014, 05:55 PM
wow @cinci they are huge an yea im thinking im deffinetly going to change it up for sure, I did take the rocks out yesterday and got some peat moss also ,proably going to pick up some perilite, and pine shivers this weekend and see if we cant her growing, should I do my orinioco to ya think??? since it is doing so much better or just let it be???? Hi shawndac! I enjoy reading the posts and comments at this forum. Here is my personal opinion: I have been looking at the pictures of your bananas and I think your decision is right. I would like to mention that the banana is not a tree. the corm or trunk grows underground, so it needs a lot of soil or space for its growth. When I saw your vases I had the feeling that you planted them like any other tree, i.e. too shallow. I always plant my bananas in a deep vase fill them up with lots of soil and put around the plant conditioner or mulch to retain moisture and keep the roots cool. I use cow manure as mulch, 'cause I don't consider animal manures as fertilizer and they don't hurt my plants. Happy growing, and good luck!
P.S. Every gardener has a different farming style.
Bye.
shawndac1
06-22-2014, 07:52 AM
:))) another good opinion an they possible may be to shallow the root balls are about two in below service, I did this to ensure them from rotting but im thinking since im going to change up the soil I will be able to plant them deeper. Another question I have is there an alternative for vermiculture or perlite, im looking and noticed its kind of expensive plus I would have to order it cant seem to find it in my area, there is actually a whole forum about his issue in my town on garden web lol, has anyone used rice hulls which from what I have read are amazing,although not sure if I can get them either ,gofram, pumice, cat litter or oil absorb or demoutious earth ??? proably speled that wrong lol !!! thanks again yawl, please help I don't know what to do now!!!!!Need large bags of perlite in West Tennessee - Container Gardening Forum - GardenWeb (http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/contain/msg0514553611536.html?1)
Duckfood
06-22-2014, 08:30 AM
You can buy a bag of Perlite at Lowe's, Home Depot, or Walmart for about $5.00... You wouldn't need half of the bag for the two Banana Plants that you have...
jbyrd88888
06-22-2014, 11:02 AM
Agreeing with Duckfood, you don't need more than 1 bag... Your containers seem less than 5 gal. I had to drive a decent distance to find a good deal and may have saved 20 bucks minus gas.
:))) .....may be to shallow the root balls are about two in below service....[/url]
Me no pro BUT, I wouldn't plant those young plants no deeper than 1/2 inch than they already are.... Bananas are shallow-rooted plants and should be planted level with the ground...kinda like trees. I know a couple people on the forum have tried to plant them deeper for overwintering purposes but I'm sure this slowed them to some degree and made rotting faster and pupping slower because water drains slower in deep ground/maybe faster on a mountain or planted on a mound of soil. You undoubtedly will bring them inside for winter so plant them in a mostly soilless mix so they can stay planted until next year. Only saying this because I'm in a similar zone/scenario.
Just remember after it gets below 70°F come sept-oct cut (growth Will slow) slow watering and keep them mostly dry and dryer in Jan-Feb-March. Thin layer of mulch or grass clippings will help slow the top of the soil from drying out/retain moisture while it's still hot outside But, once you bring them indoors I'd remove that stuff so you can closer monitor soil dryness.
shawndac1
06-22-2014, 04:39 PM
ok thanks I looked today for perlite and couldn't fine it so I found this a seed starter mix which seems to have everything I need in it I mix 50/50 with the soil that I already had so hopefully this well help the soil it much lighter now and draining beter also thanks yawl I will surely keep all of you updated best of luck to all yawl and thanks again :))
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sorry its sidewats lol
shawndac1
06-23-2014, 08:50 AM
yawl think this will b ok or hold to much water????
Iunepeace
06-23-2014, 10:54 AM
yawl think this will b ok or hold to much water????
It does have a wetting agent in it so I would advise to just water lightly for a while and see how long this new soil takes to dry out, so as not to keep the bananas' feet wet. Good job on improvising when you couldn't find the material listed; sign of a true gardener ;)
shawndac1
06-24-2014, 10:09 AM
thank you I have searched everywhere !!!! im guna try one more place in a different city close by at there green house and see what I can find there also, but if nothing else maybe this will help for now :)))
shawndac1
06-24-2014, 02:00 PM
:woohoonaner::woohoonaner::woohoonaner:ok so not sure if my old nanner got jealus, because a new one came in our family (first photo on top) or if it was changing the soil up or what but look guys THE PWEEENY BASJOO IS GROWING A NEW LEAF!!!! :woohoonaner:http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s581/shawndachabot1/20140623_155317_zps9cb3725a.jpg (http://s1307.photobucket.com/user/shawndachabot1/media/20140623_155317_zps9cb3725a.jpg.html)
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shawndac1
06-30-2014, 10:08 AM
ok so just a little update the seedling mix stayed way to wet almost like a soggy wet it was awful!!!! so I decided to make my own soil considering lol, I used straight cotton hull seed, and cotton hull meal I guess you would call it , its like a mix of hulls cotton and dirt so it does hold some water but draings great,we have a gin where I live and they have it in a huge pile and you can go and get as much as you want, mind you this pile is about 15 ft high and half a football field long and on the bottom is the best cause it has been there the longest and decomposing, its a rich black very loose soil, and a great fertilizer, so I mix this with some perlite I finally found at a Lowes in a different city for 5$, I think this is going to work great, even after it raining all weekend my plants soil is moist but still like fresh bag of miracle grow with a dampness not soppy soggy wet, and they seem to be doing very well ill keep yawl posted thankx guys
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Iunepeace
06-30-2014, 10:40 AM
Looks really good! You guys who have free resources nearby that you can just go and pick up are real blessed! :D *envious*
shawndac1
06-30-2014, 11:26 AM
aww thanks guy, and ya I would deffinetly say blessed for sure! but ur blessed to to live in such a beautiful place!!!
shawndac1
09-03-2014, 01:55 PM
UPDATE ok so last i was on i showed pics of my orinioco an basjoos ok so here they are today an i have to say im still dissapointed in the basjoos just pityful so if anyone has a few PUPS not culture tissue they want to sell let me know yawl thanks Instagram (http://instagram.com/p/sfmqjfOwUy/)
siege2050
09-06-2014, 03:24 AM
I have both Orinoco and Basjoo, and the Orinoco grows so much better. I have an Orinoco with a 8 foot pstem with 2 pups, one 4 foot, and the other 3. I have noticed the fruiting types seem to grow much better than the wild ornamentals. I am guessing because people have selected them though history for those traits. I like em so much I will just stuff em under the house in winter. I have given away all my Basjoo pups this year or I would send you one. I just mailed the last one monday. Once you get one going, they pup like crazy. Orinoco, less pups, faster growth, Basjoo lots of pups and slower, or so it seems to me.
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