View Full Version : Does a dwarf goldfinger exists?
Pancrazio
03-19-2014, 12:52 PM
Just the simple question in title. Since it seems decently spreaded variety at commercail level, and dwarf mutation are reasonably easy to come by, i was wondering if it does exists, or anyone has even heard about it.
Abnshrek
03-19-2014, 05:24 PM
Now wouldn't that be something.. Would make DC's extinct.. :^)
Abnshrek
03-19-2014, 08:04 PM
It was developed in 1988.
So what's it's Name or number?
Abnshrek
03-19-2014, 08:30 PM
Most people call it FHIA-01 or Goldfinger, and the FHIA Breeder Code is SH-3481.
So you saying we could possibly grow a shorter sport by growing a Goldfinger? If so by what means?
Richard
03-19-2014, 10:01 PM
Sounds like a trick question, seeing that it's already a dwarf or more accurately a semi-dwarf.
True.
Most people call it FHIA-01 or Goldfinger, and the FHIA Breeder Code is SH-3481.
True.
Also true: what is commonly sold wholesale to nurseries in California as "Goldfinger" is actually Dwarf Namwah.
Narnia
03-19-2014, 10:18 PM
The Gold Finger we grow was from Tissue Culture . They're not short but tall, not much shorter than a Lady Finger and don't look like a dwarf.
Sorry no pic to show.The bunches are usually very big and tend to need proping
Pancrazio
03-19-2014, 10:20 PM
So basically are you saying that it's unlikely to see appear a shorter sport of Goldfinger, being that plant already a dwarf? I tought that "being a dwarf/semidwarf" didn't have nothing to do with the capability of developing a shorter sport. Sort like the cavendish where we have the regular, the dwarf and the superdwarf.
Richard
03-19-2014, 10:32 PM
The Gold Finger we grow was from Tissue Culture . They're not short but tall, not much shorter than a Lady Finger and don't look like a dwarf.
Sorry no pic to show.The bunches are usually very big and tend to need proping
Yes, I think you're getting the real deal down there. Out of curiosity, what is the pstem height when they fruit?
So basically are you saying that it's unlikely to see appear a shorter sport of Goldfinger
There are breeders who have the technology and skill to do this for you provided you are willing to pay for a few years' worth of development and take delivery of 10k TC's.
Richard
03-19-2014, 11:19 PM
It was done in Portugal, not sure why I thought North Africa.
http://www.bananas.org/f2/paclobutrazol-growth-regulator-pseudostem-16606.html
Wow, if I used that I'd be in my hazmat suit and only interested in the follow-on generations. Paclobutrazol is not a nice substance.
Narnia
03-20-2014, 02:00 AM
[QUOTE=Richard;241256]Yes, I think you're getting the real deal down there. Out of curiosity, what is the pstem height when they fruit?
The Gold Finger pstem height when they fruit is three meters or 9' 10 "
Richard
03-20-2014, 02:03 PM
[QUOTE=Richard;241256]The Gold Finger pstem height when they fruit is three meters or 9' 10 "
Ok now I'm jealous :) Do you have any photos of it?
Pancrazio
03-20-2014, 08:44 PM
There are breeders who have the technology and skill to do this for you provided you are willing to pay for a few years' worth of development and take delivery of 10k TC's.
Right now i don't have those few hundred of thousands dollars at hand, but maybe someday... :ha:
It was done in Portugal, not sure why I thought North Africa.
http://www.bananas.org/f2/paclobutrazol-growth-regulator-pseudostem-16606.html
EDIT - the North African study was done earlier and used the Gran Nain.
VERY interesting. Being capable of shortening the psdeudostem whould help immensely to harvest my own bunches. Basically it would make feasible the potted growing, and i'm pretti confident i would be able to overwinter potted plants fine, even with hanging bunches. And would make manageable a lot of cultivar otherwise too tall to be overwintered.
Strangely i don't see paclobutrazol for sale in italy. The little research i have done so far seems to show that the substance isn't forbidden. Who knows?
Richard
03-20-2014, 08:48 PM
VERY interesting. Being capable of shortening the psdeudostem whould help immensely to harvest my own bunches.
A smaller plant usually means smaller fruit.
Abnshrek
03-20-2014, 08:48 PM
If you use that stuff (paclobutrazol) can you eat the fruit? Is the real Q?
Richard
03-20-2014, 09:04 PM
If you use that stuff (paclobutrazol) can you eat the fruit? Is the real Q?
Can't buy without an applicator's license in the U.S. Here are some products:
Product Search Results (http://pesticideinfo.org/List_Products.jsp?Rec_Id=PC34826&Chem_Name=Paclobutrazol&PC_Code=125601)
Lemmysports
03-20-2014, 09:08 PM
My father just bought a couple of plants from a local nursery labeled "Dwarf Goldfinger". I realize this doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I'm just saying.
Pancrazio
03-20-2014, 09:51 PM
A smaller plant usually means smaller fruit.
Well, a taller plant for me may mean no fruit at all, so i think that giving away my no-fruits for small fruits may be a fair trade. :) And moreover, goldfinger isn't aviable on markets here, so i don't even have a chance to obtain one of these at my grocery store!
Nicolas Naranja
03-20-2014, 10:12 PM
My FHIA-18 usually fruits much lower than the FHIA-1. FHIA-18 is a sibling of FHIA-1. I haven't been terribly happy with the FHIA-18 though. The fruit tastes great but the bunches thus far have not been very large.
Richard
03-21-2014, 11:08 AM
You can buy 48 of the 49 products on the list without an applicator's license in the U.S.
Certainly online you can get away with all kinds of things. It's buried in the seller's statement that "Buyer agrees to use this item in accordance with all local , state , and federal laws.".
On the otherhand if I walk into my local Crop Production Services outlet and ask for PacB the first thing they'll do is look up my license.
Nicolas Naranja
03-21-2014, 12:11 PM
Certainly online you can get away with all kinds of things. It's buried in the seller's statement that "Buyer agrees to use this item in accordance with all local , state , and federal laws.".
On the otherhand if I walk into my local Crop Production Services outlet and ask for PacB the first thing they'll do is look up my license.
The laws in California are far more stringent than the rest of the USA. The rest of us don't need a license.
Richard
03-21-2014, 01:48 PM
The laws in California are far more stringent than the rest of the USA. The rest of us don't need a license.
Interesting. Is it labeled for use with food crops?
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