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bananimal
01-29-2014, 12:18 PM
This damage is the result of the one nite that frost formed on the car windows. You need to wait a few weeks to see the true extent.
FHIA 1 with bunch
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55630&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55630&ppuser=820)
M, VC, PR, VC, Datilhttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55631&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55631&ppuser=820)
The CC shows better resistence just like advertizedhttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55632&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55632&ppuser=820)
The peach likes the coldhttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55633&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55633&ppuser=820)
I_GROWER
01-29-2014, 04:34 PM
I am as south as it gets..here are the first signs of that same cold front from a week ago
i think this is a monzano or burro.
http://i.imgur.com/nXkMgpV.jpg
this was the first banana I ever planted. i think she will fruit this year. planted her sometime later 2012
from the sea
01-30-2014, 06:35 AM
sad to see that happen
lmswayne
01-30-2014, 06:43 PM
Thank you all for the photos I know a lot of us that live up north have wondered how you all have made out with all this freezing temps wish all of you the best.
bananimal
01-30-2014, 09:40 PM
The cold burn I got is really just superficial. All the medium sized pstems are young enough to produce enough new leaves to support a fruit bunch. None of the pstems feel mushy. Unless we get a real freeze in the 20's that lasts for 4 hrs or more. The FHIA 1 with a bunch hanging may not make it -- we'll see.
I'm sure of that cause the tender stuff like tomatoes and bell peppers still look ok as well as the parsley and boxwood basil. I did bring in the Eugenia Candolleanas. They don't like any cold.
I've seen a lot of toasted bananas in Jacksonville so I don't feel so bad that I have probably lost 1/2 my P-stem on my DC in the ground and maybe more. (Corm will be fine; the ground didn't freeze but 25F and several more 30s nights can't have made her happy.) There were snow flurries across the river last night...snow? Isn't this FL?
10 day forecast has 50s night temps and warm weather ahead. 80F on Saturday? Be still my soul but I'll probably still be bundled up; I have low blood pressure so have a hard time getting warm once chilled. Pro to that is that this coldblooded woman can do without AC 90% of the time.
Nicolas Naranja
01-30-2014, 11:16 PM
I can certainly see the damage from the cold temps on my plants. It makes me want to build a greenhouse.
lmswayne
01-31-2014, 09:40 AM
A green house would be good. My bananas are in there frost cloth house so I won't know how they have faired tell spring. With the temp's jumping up and down my plants fee confused. lol
PR-Giants
02-01-2014, 10:38 AM
How did the PK do? :08:
Did mineral oil prevent or lessen the damage? :woohoonaner:
This damage is the result of the one nite that frost formed on the car windows. You need to wait a few weeks to see the true extent.
FHIA 1 with bunch
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55630&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55630&ppuser=820)
M, VC, PR, VC, Datilhttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55631&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55631&ppuser=820)
The CC shows better resistence just like advertizedhttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55632&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55632&ppuser=820)
The peach likes the coldhttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55633&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55633&ppuser=820)
lmswayne
02-01-2014, 08:11 PM
Sorry that looks sad
Abnshrek
02-01-2014, 08:18 PM
Looks like some of mine after the road trip. OK most of them.. I could only wish mine looked that good, now days.. Hope them Nanners are good to go.. :^)
bananimal
02-01-2014, 09:31 PM
How did the PK do? :08:
Did mineral oil prevent or lessen the damage? :woohoonaner:
About half of the PK leaves stayed green. Surprising cause that one sticks out way above the others. And the tip of the flower just showed. I'll let it be, along with the Goldfinger, and there might be some fruit worth eating.
The main pstem of the Ae Ae that I pegged croaked altogether but the pups look fine.
Didn't spray cause the last minute forecast was above freezing and my thermometer didn't go below 38.
hydroid
02-02-2014, 10:59 AM
WOW Dan... I was'nt paying that much attention to the weather past our area and did'nt know ya'll got hit that hard. My yard looks like a bomb went off.
JCA433
02-02-2014, 12:58 PM
Is cold damage on bananas in south Florida common during winter? My banana plants appear mostly undamaged with most leaves green and the banana bunches also appear undamaged although my Goldfinger banana bunch has some small spots. The Goldfinger banana bunch is closest to the ground and the others are Namwa bananas far from the ground.
The coldest night here was Sunday January 19 with low temperatures in the 30s F and no wind. It is amazing that we had almost no wind most of that night.
Pancrazio
02-02-2014, 07:42 PM
Whoa. If i got plant like that i would be very worried. But then again, i would get plant like that just in the first days of november, before 3 cold months, not at the beginning of spring in florida. :)
I'm surprised on the good results of the Chini Champa. I wonder if it is in the same league of the dwarf orinoco regarding hardiness.
Good luck for your goldfinger bunch! As today, my plant looks miserable.
eddiemunozep
02-02-2014, 10:46 PM
I can certainly see the damage from the cold temps on my plants. It makes me want to build a greenhouse.
How cold did it get?
Nicolas Naranja
02-02-2014, 10:48 PM
How cold did it get?
37. The latex in the leaves coagulates, causes the leaves to turn yellow.
eddiemunozep
02-02-2014, 10:49 PM
About half of the PK leaves stayed green. Surprising cause that one sticks out way above the others. And the tip of the flower just showed. I'll let it be, along with the Goldfinger, and there might be some fruit worth eating.
The main pstem of the Ae Ae that I pegged croaked altogether but the pups look fine.
Didn't spray cause the last minute forecast was above freezing and my thermometer didn't go below 38.
Dumb question, what's a cc?
Also it must have gotten lower than 38.
Eddie
eddiemunozep
02-02-2014, 10:53 PM
[QUOTE=Nicolas Naranja;238978]37. The latex in the leaves coagulates, causes the leaves to turn yellow.[/QUOTE
My acurite thermometer said 36 one night but I didn't get any yellowing on the plants out in the open. Orinoco, mini luki, and raja puri.
Eddie
Basjoofriend
02-02-2014, 11:19 PM
Hi,
also in Brazil I had in June 2011 frost damages at my bananas in my chácara, see also Bananas Raras (http://bananasraras.org/frostschaedenengl.htm) The climate in the southern Brazilian state of São Paulo at my second residence is very like the climate of Florida. My report shows how my bananas did survive the frosts, there are also the frost damages described.
Best wishes
Joachim
bananimal
02-03-2014, 01:34 AM
Dumb question, what's a cc?
Also it must have gotten lower than 38.
Eddie
The cc is Chini Champa. From the foothills of the Himalayas, Kalimpong, Bengal India. Like Nick said the leaves turn yellow when the latex co-agulates. That is why the stems are still solid also at 38F.
servatusprime
02-03-2014, 10:18 PM
Hope this isn't considered a hijack, but here is how some of my bananas fared after we had a similar frost frost event here in Fort Myers:
Gros Michel, I was worried about this one. But it looks ok. If I am not in love with the fruit, I think I'll replace it with something more cold hardy. The yellow straggling looking stuff at the bottom is store bought ginger I was growing. Just to the left is galangal ginger which fared much better. (also edible)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55666&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55666&ppuser=9375)
Double Mahoi, pretty typical yearly yellowing. It has some hands filling in, but they look fine. I got it for the novelty (why else) I might replace this one too if the fruit doesn't blow my mind.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55664&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55664&ppuser=9375)
Kandarian, it don't care how cold it was! Looking forward to eating this one. It might be my favorite as far as appearance goes, though the SH3640 is a close 2nd
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55663&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55663&ppuser=9375)
SH3640 bloom, I hope the fruit wasn't affected! I guess we shall wait and see.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55665&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55665&ppuser=9375)
Pisang Raja, plugging along with no damage
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55667&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55667&ppuser=9375)
Brazilian, no damage
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55669&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55669&ppuser=9375)
Zebrina (my wife likes it, I rather have something that makes edible fruit!! But I guess a little color is a good thing in the garden) Some yellowing, big surprise.... but this guy hasn't been too hardy anyway. It was happier on the side of my house when it was shaded half of the day.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55668&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55668&ppuser=9375)
No pictures of my creamwah, X, or goldfinger for now, but they look just fine. Even have a flower bud coming out on the goldfinger, will post soon.
Nicolas Naranja
02-03-2014, 10:24 PM
My thermometer is accurate, I actually have two here at the house, the bank down the street and a NOAA site a little up the road. All the same reading. The bananas you mentioned are quite a bit more hardy than some of the ones I have. Hua Moa is known for it's sensitivity to cold, and the dwarf plantains aren't exceedingly tolerant of cool temps. Some varieties seem no worse for the wear. Basically anything that had wine spots or is hawaiian was unhappy.
[QUOTE=Nicolas Naranja;238978]37. The latex in the leaves coagulates, causes the leaves to turn yellow.[/QUOTE
My acurite thermometer said 36 one night but I didn't get any yellowing on the plants out in the open. Orinoco, mini luki, and raja puri.
Eddie
Nicolas Naranja
02-03-2014, 10:29 PM
My Gros Michels seem to have come through ok as well. I had one in a pot near my house that got damaged. I am thinking maybe the adults are hardier than the young plants. They are pretty tall, and this was a radiational frost event.
Gros Michel, I was worried about this one. But it looks ok. If I am not in love with the fruit, I think I'll replace it with something more cold hardy. The yellow straggling looking stuff at the bottom is store bought ginger I was growing. Just to the left is galangal ginger which fared much better. (also edible)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55666&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55666&ppuser=9375)
venturabananas
02-04-2014, 02:55 AM
Basically anything that had wine spots or is hawaiian was unhappy.
That is a great, concise, and helpful summary.
Nicolas Naranja
02-04-2014, 08:02 PM
That is a great, concise, and helpful summary.
It just saved me the time of listing 34 varieties
PR-Giants
02-07-2014, 09:20 AM
Basically anything that had wine spots or is hawaiian was unhappy.
That is a great, concise, and helpful summary.
:waving:
... out of the plants with wine spots the University of Florida lists
Gros Michel as poor cold tolerance.
Williams as fair to good cold tolerance.
Nicolas Naranja
02-07-2014, 09:28 AM
:waving:
Williams is better than most, but not nearly as cold tolerant as Goldfinger, Orinoco, Njalipoovan, or Dwarf Namwah.
PR-Giants
02-07-2014, 09:41 AM
Williams is better than most, but not nearly as cold tolerant as Goldfinger, Orinoco, Njalipoovan, or Dwarf Namwah.
The University of Florida also lists the genotypes w/ "B" on their website.
bananimal
02-11-2014, 12:11 AM
Took a look at the PK today and estimate the leaves are 20% green. Of course the flower pops now. What does everybody think of my chances of getting a filled in bunch of fruit? I'm leaning towards zip to none.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55689&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55689&ppuser=820)
Richard
02-11-2014, 01:07 AM
Took a look at the PK today and estimate the leaves are 20% green. Of course the flower pops now. What does everybody think of my chances of getting a filled in bunch of fruit? I'm leaning towards zip to none.
Depends on how happy the corm is for the next few months.
Nicolas Naranja
02-11-2014, 08:43 AM
The University of Florida also lists the genotypes w/ "B" on their website.
Yes, I know that. I am just pointing out that while Williams is more cold tolerant than Grande Nain, it is less tolerant than some of the other varieties I mentioned. The hawaiian varieties I grow have AAB genetics and weren't very happy about 38, and neither were the plantains which also have AAB.
venturabananas
02-11-2014, 11:37 AM
There certainly is a lot of variation in cold tolerance within genotypes. For example, Monthan (ABB) fruit skins seem especially vulnerable to cold damage compared to all the other varieties in my yard. The plant itself doesn't seem much affected by the cold, though.
Nicolas Naranja
02-11-2014, 03:04 PM
There certainly is a lot of variation in cold tolerance within genotypes. For example, Monthan (ABB) fruit skins seem especially vulnerable to cold damage compared to all the other varieties in my yard. The plant itself doesn't seem much affected by the cold, though.
I have noticed that new bunches of dwarf plantains seem especially sensitive to cool weather. Whereas bunches that have already been hanging for about a month or so seem to be able to handle it.
Took a look at the PK today and estimate the leaves are 20% green. Of course the flower pops now. What does everybody think of my chances of getting a filled in bunch of fruit? I'm leaning towards zip to none.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55689&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55689&ppuser=820)
Nice peaches!
PR-Giants
02-12-2014, 08:53 AM
:woohoonaner:
Williams is a Cavendish and does have wine spots.
Nick, I expected you knew that and I was just pointing out for the newbies that Williams is more cold tolerant than some of the other bananas that have wine spots.
Yes, I know that. I am just pointing out that while Williams is more cold tolerant than Grande Nain
Basically anything that had wine spots or is hawaiian was unhappy.
That is a great, concise, and helpful summary.
:waving:
... out of the plants with wine spots the University of Florida lists
Gros Michel as poor cold tolerance.
Williams as fair to good cold tolerance.
bsorcs
02-19-2014, 12:50 PM
Cold damage indeed! The red whatever it was is toast and the orinocos are whacked: leaves down and brown; some younger stems brown and mushy; larger stems are largely green, particularly those with the most protection. I have been removing the leaves but have yet to tackle stems. What might be the best plan of action: cut everything to the ground; remove only the completely brown stems; do nothing beyond leaf removal; ....? Back in the 60s-70 for the moment.
eddiemunozep
02-19-2014, 01:14 PM
Cold damage indeed! The red whatever it was is toast and the orinocos are whacked: leaves down and brown; some younger stems brown and mushy; larger stems are largely green, particularly those with the most protection. I have been removing the leaves but have yet to tackle stems. What might be the best plan of action: cut everything to the ground; remove only the completely brown stems; do nothing beyond leaf removal; ....? Back in the 60s-70 for the moment.
So sorry to hear about this. Others can give you more advice on the damaged Psuedostems
bananimal
02-19-2014, 04:39 PM
Cold damage indeed! The red whatever it was is toast and the orinocos are whacked: leaves down and brown; some younger stems brown and mushy; larger stems are largely green, particularly those with the most protection. I have been removing the leaves but have yet to tackle stems. What might be the best plan of action: cut everything to the ground; remove only the completely brown stems; do nothing beyond leaf removal; ....? Back in the 60s-70 for the moment.
You can trim off the brown leaves and wait for the cigar to show on main pstems and pups. If the main pstem was near fruiting height don't bother. Cut it down and wait for the best pup to start growing.
What's your forcast?
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