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siege2050
01-25-2014, 04:35 AM
Where I live, it can get over 100 in the summer, and it's common to be in the 90's. Should I plant my Bananas in the shade, or is full sun better?

Kat2
01-25-2014, 08:53 AM
Mine in Jacksonville, where it can also get quite warm, has middle of day sun (4 - 6 hours or so) but is shaded both morning and afternoon. Until it got this cold, she was very happy.

hanabananaman
01-25-2014, 10:54 AM
Your plants need all the sun they can get or they wont grow as well as they could, I deal with high temps also and my plants are so much happier when there is shade cloth over them. It's not hard when they are short but gets crazy after a while. One idea I have not tried yet is to try to shade the afternoon sun from an angle when they are too tall to completely cover. Any shade will help, I have even leaned narrow strips of plywood against the stem to shade them when its sizzling outside. I was also thinking about borrowing a friends tractor and digging a 10' x20' trench 3 or 4 ' deep as a planting bed to make shading them easier, they would also be easier to cover in the winter.

sunfish
01-25-2014, 11:07 AM
:woohoonaner:

Olafhenny
01-25-2014, 06:09 PM
Where I live, it can get over 100 in the summer, and it's common to be in the 90's. Should I plant my Bananas in the shade, or is full sun better?

Same here, Siege. It may get a bit colder here, but most summers we reach 40^C
(104^F). That does not bother your plants, unless they are in pot and exposed to
the sun. I have had problems with that. It ‘cooked’ the corms in the pots, though
after moving them into partial shade they recovered.

Bananas originate in the wild in jungles, where they received at least mottled shade.
But commercially they are usually grown in open fields, where they are exposed to
full sun.

Thus if you stick them into the ground, anything will be okay, other than possibly
full shade. I have no experience in the latter. Indoors, at a south window, they keep
on growing. Although at a much reduced pace, especially after the winter solstice.
But then the daylight hours are very short here, north of the 49th.

Good luck,
Olaf

siege2050
01-25-2014, 06:16 PM
Same here, Siege. It may get a bit colder here, but most summers we reach 40^C
(104^F). That does not bother your plants, unless they are in pot and exposed to
the sun. I have had problems with that. It ‘cooked’ the corms in the pots, though
after moving them into partial shade they recovered.

Bananas originate in the wild in jungles, where they received at least mottled shade.
But commercially they are usually grown in open fields, where they are exposed to
full sun.

Thus if you stick them into the ground, anything will be okay, other than possibly
full shade. I have no experience in the latter. Indoors, at a south window, they keep
on growing. Although at a much reduced pace, especially after the winter solstice.
But then the daylight hours are very short here, north of the 49th.

Good luck,
Olaf







Wow, never realized it got that warm in summer in Canada!

Olafhenny
01-25-2014, 06:45 PM
We live in an arid region and the summer sunshine hours are long up here.
The northern tip of the Sonoran Desert is about 40 miles south of here. There
and in the Fraser Canyon 43^C (109^F) is reached most summers and on rare
occasions even surpassed. (Beats the snot out of our igloos) :ha:

Kat2
01-25-2014, 07:28 PM
What's really funny is that I, along with most people I meet, think Canada is even colder than Alaska. Some parts in our neighbor to the immediate north are and some areas have climates like Washington state. Lots of Canucks on another forum I post at have opened my eyes if not changed my mindset.

Olafhenny
01-25-2014, 07:55 PM
Actually, by citing data as I remembered them from the local weather reports,
when I still lived there, I have been made a liar by Wiki. According to their site
the all time high for Osooyoos was "only" 42.8^C (109^F)

See: Osoyoos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osoyoos)
That site will also tell you, that the Sonoran Desert reaches to Skaha Lake. I
live 800 m (1/2 mile) north of that 12 km (7.5 miles) long lake.

However in the Fraser Canyon the all time high went up to 44.4^C (111.9^F)
See: Lillooet, British Columbia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillooet,_British_Columbia#Climate)

Just thought, I'd better get the story straight with the official data. :ha:

Olafhenny
01-25-2014, 08:20 PM
What's really funny is that I, along with most people I meet, think Canada is even colder than Alaska. Some parts in our neighbor to the immediate north are and some areas have climates like Washington state. Lots of Canucks on another forum I post at have opened my eyes if not changed my mindset.

Canada is the second largest country on the planet (after Russia) and as such
we have all kinds of weather and yes it does get colder than any part of Alaska
in regions of the Territories.

Actually some of the coastal parts of Alaska are quite "balmy" compared with
Minnesota, at least in winter.

Kat2
01-25-2014, 08:35 PM
Actually some of the coastal parts of Alaska are quite "balmy" compared with
Minnesota, at least in winter.Even though I "know" that's true, I'm probably too old to ever not think of Canada as a year round ice chest. Sorry. BTW, I'm not real comfortable with those "C" temps and metrics either--both make converting recipes to my measuring devices and oven quite an adventure.

Olafhenny
01-25-2014, 11:32 PM
Even though I "know" that's true, I'm probably too old to ever not think of Canada as a year round ice chest. Sorry. BTW, I'm not real comfortable with those "C" temps and metrics either--both make converting recipes to my measuring devices and oven quite an adventure.

That is why I have given all temps and distances in both metric and Imperial. I
grew up "metric" then worked on one of my first engineering jobs for American
companies in Iran, where it also went by "metric", but I got used to converting
for the American staff to Imperial. Then coming to Canada it was Imperial again,
just to later convert with the rest of the country to metric. :)

Kat2
01-26-2014, 01:14 AM
Hey, I just want to make great baked goods and Mark 2, 3 or 4 make me even more nuts than that C stuff. I've learned in converting to F terms that 325 works for meat, 350 for cakes and 425 to 450 for scones or biscuits type dough works. Timing? 1/4 hour per pound, 1/2 hour and around 20 minutes. But test and observe...your oven may vary...most do. :)

Abnshrek
01-26-2014, 01:20 AM
Where I live, it can get over 100 in the summer, and it's common to be in the 90's. Should I plant my Bananas in the shade, or is full sun better?

This is more like a by type question.. If talking Basjoo's I'm sure they will do better in shade.. any others will do great in full sun in the spring and need several hours of shade come the dead of summer.. Of course they all take the heat better when in the ground versus being in pots. :^)

Olafhenny
01-26-2014, 01:36 AM
Hey, I just want to make great baked goods and Mark 2, 3 or 4 make me even more nuts than that C stuff. I've learned in converting to F terms that 325 works for meat, 350 for cakes and 425 to 450 for scones or biscuits type dough works. Timing? 1/4 hour per pound, 1/2 hour and around 20 minutes. But test and observe...your oven may vary...most do. :)

Well, that is all the important stuff anyway! :ha:

siege2050
01-26-2014, 01:55 AM
This is more like a by type question.. If talking Basjoo's I'm sure they will do better in shade.. any others will do great in full sun in the spring and need several hours of shade come the dead of summer.. Of course they all take the heat better when in the ground versus being in pots. :^)

I have Basjoo, Mekong Giant, Velutina, sikki, etc. Mostly ornamentals, but I do have dwarf Orinoco, and Dwarf Cavendish. Starting to think the Mekong giants really, really like the shade.

cincinnana
01-26-2014, 07:00 PM
Where I live, it can get over 100 in the summer, and it's common to be in the 90's. Should I plant my Bananas in the shade, or is full sun better?

Ok . cool question.... I plant mine as a compliment to another plant, however many of mine are in full sun, and partial shade and full shade . I will use the plants foliage to excentuate something...... anything.
THIS PLANT IS ANYTHING YOU WANT IT TO BE.....
I do not and cannot grow fruit in my zone, and that is ok .
This plant is so versatile with the looks this can give, I love it.
Shown are a few varigated musa and and some ferns in a shaded area.

This is entirely your choice.....woot....woot ..woot

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53903&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53903)

Snookie
01-28-2014, 09:40 AM
After attending the Second Annual Upper Gulf Coast Meet and visiting Darkmans place, I WILL BE PLANTING MY 2014 Banana Plants either in the shade or under some sort of canopy!

After spending hours and hours of time and $$$ trying to produce nanna's I found Darkman producing more nannas than I IN D SHADE....

So.........Shade is the plan stay tuned for results:}:08:

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