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Abnshrek
12-11-2013, 09:57 AM
120613 Datil in recovery a month after http://www.bananas.org/f2/mostly-bananas-rollin-south-winter-19290.html
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil120613_zps76b6c929.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil120613_zps76b6c929.jpg.html)
091113 The pup is almost as big as the mother.. Pup was given to Jose @ the Gulf Coast Banana Meet of 2013 a month after this picture was taken.
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil091113_zps15caffd6.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil091113_zps15caffd6.jpg.html)
070913
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil070913_zpseb21d4a3.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil070913_zpseb21d4a3.jpg.html)
070113
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil070113_zpsfbc43757.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil070113_zpsfbc43757.jpg.html)
060413 I fed it some Azomite and it had 2 small pups, one never amounted to much.
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datilw2pups060413_zpsf1e35403.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datilw2pups060413_zpsf1e35403.jpg.html)
040813 Was a pretty weak corm as it got acclimated of course S. Ark spring didn't help much.. This one I received in a trade w/ Capitum..
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil040813_zps493eccee.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil040813_zps493eccee.jpg.html)
Abnshrek
12-28-2013, 08:15 PM
A Pic from yesterday.. :^)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil122713_zps9174b350.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil122713_zps9174b350.jpg.html)
Abnshrek
01-18-2014, 02:15 PM
Not much movement w/ the heater on the fritz.. :^)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil011814_zpsbf540e16.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil011814_zpsbf540e16.jpg.html)
PR-Giants
01-18-2014, 03:51 PM
Is this one of those Not Datil?
Not much movement w/ the heater on the fritz.. :^)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil011814_zpsbf540e16.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil011814_zpsbf540e16.jpg.html)
Is this one of those Not Datil?I thought only Ice Creams were potential fakes. There are more? I'm pretty sure I have a Dwarf Cavendish because they seem to be the least desirable but maybe not? I'm *this close* to raising figs again. I never claimed to know what the heck varieties I had. Even if I bought a "known one", I never handed a twig or figlet off to anyone without the warning that "I purchased this from a reputable nursery however there's a tremendous amount of confusion surrounding these ladies. I've been told the fruit is quite nice (if I didn't have any for them to taste) but I cannot guarantee it's a Brown Turkey or Mission or a LSU or *fill in the blank*."
Sheesh! I just want to grow delicious bananas suitable for my zone....
Abnshrek
01-18-2014, 06:39 PM
Is this one of those Not Datil?
No, its not a Raja Puri.. Just a Datil.. has slight red marking.. This year I should get some good growth. :^)
PR-Giants
01-19-2014, 08:16 AM
No, its not a Raja Puri.. Just a Datil.. has slight red marking.. This year I should get some good growth. :^)
You have the plant to examine, so you're probably right but your AA Datil does resemble an AAB.
Nomenclature of cultivated bananas | Promusa - Mobilizing banana science for sustainable livelihoods (http://www.promusa.org/tiki-index.php?page=Nomenclature+of+cultivated+bananas)
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae272/keithpr1/TARS17413-pseudostem_zpsfdc33c25.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/keithpr1/media/TARS17413-pseudostem_zpsfdc33c25.jpg.html)
Abnshrek
01-19-2014, 10:14 AM
You have the plant to examine, so you're probably right but your AA Datil does resemble an AAB.
Nomenclature of cultivated bananas | Promusa - Mobilizing banana science for sustainable livelihoods (http://www.promusa.org/tiki-index.php?page=Nomenclature+of+cultivated+bananas)
I have no Idea other than its different than the rest of the one's I have.. :^)
PR-Giants
01-19-2014, 10:49 AM
I have no Idea other than its different than the rest of the one's I have.. :^)
Then it's probably a Not Datil, the stem of the AA Datil should resemble your other AA bananas.
wolfyhound
01-19-2014, 10:57 AM
The only Datil I know of is Datil peppers!
Capitum
01-19-2014, 11:24 AM
Then it's probably a Not Datil, the stem of the AA Datil should resemble your other AA bananas.
The original came from the PR USDA Agricultural research station, so I took their word for it. It is always possible that they made a mistake, but I don't have the expertise to contradict them ;-)
venturabananas
01-19-2014, 11:47 AM
It's a little hard to tell from the pictures, but it looks like the real Datil to me, and not like the Rajapuri version that has made it's way into our community. This one is glossy green with spread, winged petioles from what I can tell, which is what this AA variety should look like.
Abnshrek
01-19-2014, 11:48 AM
Then it's probably a Not Datil, the stem of the AA Datil should resemble your other AA bananas.
Damn, I'm going to have to break out the Banana Book.. lol I think I'll drink a Beer instead.. Where ever Capitum got it is good enough for me.. When Winter's over and I get my baby's out I might take the time to actually look @ them hard until then they can just stay green they doing good. :^)
PR-Giants
01-19-2014, 11:56 AM
Kewl cause it looks just like the Datil Dan sent me.
Point taken, but in this case, I am sure that the plant in their photo is the real deal because the PR ARS/GRIN is the only source of Datil la Lima in the world that I am aware of, and the director told me that it is a typical AA Sucrier variety, not an AAB. The plant in their photos is a typical AA Sucrier. The one Dan has is a dwarf AAB.
It's a little hard to tell from the pictures, but it looks like the real Datil to me, and not like Rajapuri version that has made it's way to our community. This one is glossy green with spread, winged petioles from what I can tell, which is what this AA variety should look like.
venturabananas
01-19-2014, 11:59 AM
Kewl cause it looks just like the Datil Dan sent me.
Really? Yours has wide open, winged petiole canals with no red along the edges, like in this photo? Dan's doesn't.
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil091113_zps15caffd6.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil091113_zps15caffd6.jpg.html)
Abnshrek
01-19-2014, 12:16 PM
Kewl cause it looks just like the Datil Dan sent me.
I guess I could've taken a better picture.. :^)
PR-Giants
01-19-2014, 12:20 PM
Kinda Kewl, but now I need to order a Rajapuri.
Really? Yours has wide open, winged petiole canals with no red along the edges, like in this photo? Dan's doesn't.
Abnshrek
01-19-2014, 12:28 PM
The only thing I'm looking for is Stuff like this.. :^)
http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/images/may/musa/TARS17413_PLANT.jpg
At least it looks like you get a lil more fruit than from a Veinte Cohol..
bananimal
01-19-2014, 07:34 PM
The only thing I'm looking for is Stuff like this.. :^)
http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/images/may/musa/TARS17413_PLANT.jpg
At least it looks like you get a lil more fruit than from a Veinte Cohol..
If this bunch is the real Datil I know mine is not for sure. Just like I have said all along. I confirmed this with ars grin in Mayaguez, PR and they wouldn't send me any cause I'm not part of the scientific community. Thanks a lot Brian!
One day I hope some one offers me a corm. The fruit look interesting.
Abnshrek
01-19-2014, 07:40 PM
If this bunch is the real Datil I know mine is not for sure. Just like I have said all along. I confirmed this with ars grin in Mayaguez, PR and they wouldn't send me any cause I'm not part of the scientific community. Thanks a lot Brian!
One day I hope someone offers me a corm. The fruit look interesting.
If I get another pup its all yours Dan.. I know you hooked me up previously. :^)
Worm_Farmer
01-19-2014, 07:51 PM
If this bunch is the real Datil I know mine is not for sure. Just like I have said all along. I confirmed this with ars grin in Mayaguez, PR and they wouldn't send me any cause I'm not part of the scientific community. Thanks a lot Brian!
One day I hope some one offers me a corm. The fruit look interesting.
I feel like mine looks just like this, how ever it has never plumped fruit that well. I can confirm it is NOT a Raja Puri. I have Raja and side by side taste test will confirm they are not the same. As well my Raja has had chocking issues where this guy never has.
venturabananas
01-19-2014, 10:13 PM
One day I hope some one offers me a corm. The fruit look interesting.
It's just a Sucrier variety. Go buy some "baby bananas" at the grocery store and they will be exactly the same.
Abnshrek
01-19-2014, 10:37 PM
It's just a Sucrier variety. Go buy some "baby bananas" at the grocery store and they will be exactly the same.
Come on now.. Not growing them takes all the fun out of it.. :^)
bananimal
01-19-2014, 10:48 PM
Does yours have some red on the trunk? This is what I was told to look for.
Abnshrek
01-19-2014, 11:48 PM
Does yours have some red on the trunk? This is what I was told to look for.
I haven't looked.. Mine is still young, I guess we'll see how it develops, probably have 2' of stem before it gains some character.. Last year I was glad I didn't kill it.. So its all good.. Jose has the pup that is almost as big as my plant when I cut it. :^)
venturabananas
01-20-2014, 01:10 AM
Does yours have some red on the trunk? This is what I was told to look for.
To me, the most distinctive trait of the Sucrier subgroup is the chestnut brown at the petiole bases. I'm sure there are other subgroups with similar coloration, but nothing common in the US.
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae272/keithpr1/TARS17413-pseudostem_zpsfdc33c25.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/keithpr1/media/TARS17413-pseudostem_zpsfdc33c25.jpg.html)
PR-Giants
01-20-2014, 09:30 AM
This cultivar blooms at 9 months and you've probably been growing it for a couple of seasons.
It would be helpful if you posted a photo of the fruit or the mature plant, it should be around 12 foot tall.
Migael has been growing his for a full season and it's probably in the 7 to 10 foot range by now.
The original came from the PR USDA Agricultural research station, so I took their word for it. It is always possible that they made a mistake, but I don't have the expertise to contradict them ;-)
PR-Giants
01-20-2014, 10:09 AM
they wouldn't send me any cause I'm not part of the scientific community. Thanks a lot Brian!
One day I hope some one offers me a corm. The fruit look interesting.
Dan, which cultivars did you want?
Be sure to leave a lotta space in that corner lot.
The Datil is a 12 foot plant that takes 11 months to produces a small bunch, it's not in my TOP 100.
bananimal
01-20-2014, 10:20 AM
Dan, which cultivars did you want?
Be sure to leave a lotta space in that corner lot.
The Datil is a 12 foot plant that takes 11 months to produces a small bunch, it's not in my TOP 100.
So what's the fruit taste like?
PR-Giants
01-20-2014, 10:21 AM
To me, the distinctive trait of the Veinte Cohol subgroup is the chestnut brown at the petiole bases. Photos of it are nice and growing it is better, but it was the cause of my AA addiction/collection.
To me, the most distinctive trait of the Sucrier subgroup is the chestnut brown at the petiole bases. I'm sure there are other subgroups with similar coloration, but nothing common in the US.
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae272/keithpr1/TARS17413-pseudostem_zpsfdc33c25.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/keithpr1/media/TARS17413-pseudostem_zpsfdc33c25.jpg.html)
PR-Giants
01-20-2014, 10:33 AM
So what's the fruit taste like?
Research before planting helps make better decisions.
venturabananas
01-20-2014, 11:05 AM
To me, the distinctive trait of the Veinte Cohol subgroup is the chestnut brown at the petiole bases. Photos of it are nice and growing it is better, but it was the cause of my AA addiction/collection.
Right, so some AA varieties have chestnut brown at the petiole bases. None of the AAB varieties do that I know of, and certainly not Dan's "Datil" = Rajapuri.
sunfish
01-20-2014, 11:17 AM
Leave them be.As long as they aren't hurting anyone let them think what they want. ?)
Capitum
01-20-2014, 09:35 PM
This cultivar blooms at 9 months and you've probably been growing it for a couple of seasons.
It would be helpful if you posted a photo of the fruit or the mature plant, it should be around 12 foot tall.
Migael has been growing his for a full season and it's probably in the 7 to 10 foot range by now.
My entire collection is for the purpose of seeing which varieties can even survive my microclimate- At this point I doubt I'll ever get fruit or full grown plants. We rarely have days up in the 80's (even in the middle of the summer) and usually get several freezes per year. Take a look in my gallery for pics, you won't see anything more than about 2 feet tall... it is a painful addiction, but my hope is to sort out differences based on raised beds (we get a lot of rain, and the ground is wet and cold 6 months of the year), unheated greenhouse, and large pots to see whether I can get any variety to acclimate and survive (thrive?) other than basjoo (which freezes to the ground but comes back each year).
Abnshrek
01-20-2014, 10:16 PM
Migael has been growing his for a full season and it's probably in the 7 to 10 foot range by now.
Its lucky if its 3' now total height, but then again it was pretty weak by the time I got it and surprised its as big as it is now.. Things just grow slower up here. :^)
If this bunch is the real Datil I know mine is not for sure. Just like I have said all along. I confirmed this with ars grin in Mayaguez, PR and they wouldn't send me any cause I'm not part of the scientific community. Thanks a lot Brian!
One day I hope some one offers me a corm. The fruit look interesting.
I feel like mine looks just like this, how ever it has never plumped fruit that well. I can confirm it is NOT a Raja Puri. I have Raja and side by side taste test will confirm they are not the same. As well my Raja has had chocking issues where this guy never has.
Datil La Lima and Raja Puri are two totally different plants, when you compare the two plants side by side you can see the difference and there's the p-stem size (12' Datil La Lima) (6'-7' Raja Puri) to see Raja Puri banana flowers go here What's blooming in your garden? (bananas) (http://www.bananas.org/f2/whats-blooming-your-garden-bananas-11555-2.html#post234678).
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3703/12074371724_11f9a76669_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/12074371724/)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7432/12074265323_9c5f935c6c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/12074265323/)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55605&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55605)
Abnshrek
01-21-2014, 04:17 PM
Based on the fruiting pic's the Datil looks like its fruiting @ maybe 8' if its lucky.. :^)
Based on the fruiting pic's the Datil looks like its fruiting @ maybe 8' if its lucky.. :^)
OK, 8'-12' Datil La Lima and 6'-7' Raja Puri
What other agronomic characters looks the same to you in these pictures?:drum:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3703/12074371724_11f9a76669_c.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7432/12074265323_9c5f935c6c_b.jpg
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55605&size=1
Abnshrek
01-21-2014, 04:57 PM
OK, 8'-12' Datil La Lima and 6'-7' Raja Puri
What other agronomic characters looks same to you in these pictures?:drum
It would've been nice if we actually saw some leaves on that sight.. :^)
bananimal
01-21-2014, 05:12 PM
It would've been nice if we actually saw some leaves on that sight.. :^)
Go to the ars grin website and pull up TARS 17413 and you find views of pstem leaves fruit etc. You can even order germplasm from them. Good luck getting the right one.
Abnshrek
01-21-2014, 05:18 PM
Go to the ars grin website and pull up TARS 17413 and you find views of pstem leaves fruit etc. You can even order germplasm from them. Good luck getting the right one.
Why they send out the wrong stuff often?
Bender
01-21-2014, 05:57 PM
Datil La Lima and Raja Puri are two totally different plants, when you compare the two plants side by side you can see the difference and there's the p-stem size (12' Datil La Lima) (6'-7' Raja Puri) to see Raja Puri banana flowers go here What's blooming in your garden? (bananas) (http://www.bananas.org/f2/whats-blooming-your-garden-bananas-11555-2.html#post234678).
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3703/12074371724_11f9a76669_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/12074371724/)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7432/12074265323_9c5f935c6c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/12074265323/)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55605&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55605)
Thanks
servatusprime
01-21-2014, 07:54 PM
Go to the ars grin website and pull up TARS 17413 and you find views of pstem leaves fruit etc. You can even order germplasm from them. Good luck getting the right one.
Is this something we could do for home garden evaluation? Know of any body who has tried todo this and was successful in receiving germplasm?
Nicolas Naranja
01-21-2014, 09:43 PM
Is this something we could do for home garden evaluation? Know of any body who has tried todo this and was successful in receiving germplasm?
I have received germplasm, you have to make a research proposal. They have tightened up on who they will send to. It certainly helps that I work for UF and have done some academic publications. I am going to do a trial on "standard" bananas. I have 11 varieties for that purpose: Grand Naine, Williams, Baloy, Jamaican Lacatan, Baloy, Giant Cavendish, Paggi, FHIA-17, FHIA-2, FHIA-23, and Gros Michel
servatusprime
01-21-2014, 09:48 PM
Well that's pretty cool. Let me know if you need additional testing sites - for purely academic purposes ;)
Nicolas Naranja
01-21-2014, 10:11 PM
Well that's pretty cool. Let me know if you need additional testing sites - for purely academic purposes ;)
They send three plants, I only have two sites for sure. In order to have publishable results I need data from 3 sites over 3 crops cycles. Of course, the stated purpose is to evaluate these plants on muck soils.
bananimal
01-21-2014, 10:19 PM
Why they send out the wrong stuff often?
Years ago they sent to anyone. What Nick said is the way it is now. The Datil was only a curiosity put into my head by NANAMAN. So forget ars grin.
Abnshrek
01-21-2014, 10:52 PM
Years ago they sent to anyone. What Nick said is the way it is now. The Datil was only a curiosity put into my head by NANAMAN. So forget ars grin.
Well I'll continue to grow mine to see what kinda character she has in my soil.. :^)
servatusprime
01-21-2014, 10:53 PM
They send three plants, I only have two sites for sure. In order to have publishable results I need data from 3 sites over 3 crops cycles. Of course, the stated purpose is to evaluate these plants on muck soils.
Well my back yard certainly would not meet those site conditions. I have highly compacted clayey sand with frustraiting rock fragments (why is there a small bolder where I want to dig a hole?) thanks to more mordern land development practices. If you ever want to evaluate that, let me know. :). This soil is a pain in the rump for many reasons.
Nicolas Naranja
01-22-2014, 12:01 AM
Well my back yard certainly would not meet those site conditions. I have highly compacted clayey sand with frustraiting rock fragments (why is there a small bolder where I want to dig a hole?) thanks to more mordern land development practices. If you ever want to evaluate that, let me know. :). This soil is a pain in the rump for many reasons.
My back yard was the former nearshore of Lake Okeechobee. I have found old coke bottles, anchors and a menagerie of shells. But I feel your pain, as I have an area with marl and I practically need a pick axe to dig a hole.
PR-Giants
01-22-2014, 07:22 AM
NPGS does have access to the web and is aware of the org and players.
On mornings that their request box is full, they probably check what was written on the org.
Their goal is to get germplasm out to the farmers/public in an efficient manner, the fact Nick owns a
Banana Nursery only elevates his importance.
Although supplying t/c labs like Agristarts might be a more efficient manner to cover the US market.
I couldnt bring myself to pay $20 plus shipping or driving 180 miles. If I could get him to reply to.e-mail it would be different. I am competition so I am sure I get treated differently
Free germplasm & free shipping was just the bonus.
Yes, NK Lago Farms is my farm and it's mostly for fruit but i am expanding the nursery side of things. But, its hard to beat $15 for a 3 gallon plant, unless of course you are buying suckers from me. I have tried before to get fhia 21 AND FHIA 23 from Don and I get no response. I might use a straw buyer to see if i could get a different answer.
I've received germplasm and am presently researching macro propagation techniques of Pacific
short cycle dessert bananas and also the FHIAs. My goal is to help other small farms in eastern PR.
Banana plants have no real monetary value here ( $0.50 ea.), but the fruit has economic importance.
I have received germplasm, you have to make a research proposal. They have tightened up on who they will send to. It certainly helps that I work for UF and have done some academic publications. I am going to do a trial on "standard" bananas. I have 11 varieties for that purpose: Grand Naine, Williams, Baloy, Jamaican Lacatan, Baloy, Giant Cavendish, Paggi, FHIA-17, FHIA-2, FHIA-23, and Gros Michel
PR-Giants
01-22-2014, 08:04 AM
Ed, you do such a great job and the org is very lucky for all of your input.
Keep it going.
Datil La Lima and Raja Puri are two totally different plants, when you compare the two plants side by side you can see the difference and there's the p-stem size (12' Datil La Lima) (6'-7' Raja Puri) to see Raja Puri banana flowers go here What's blooming in your garden? (bananas) (http://www.bananas.org/f2/whats-blooming-your-garden-bananas-11555-2.html#post234678).
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3703/12074371724_11f9a76669_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/12074371724/)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7432/12074265323_9c5f935c6c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/12074265323/)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55605&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55605)
PR-Giants
01-22-2014, 09:05 AM
My entire collection is for the purpose of seeing which varieties can even survive my microclimate- At this point I doubt I'll ever get fruit or full grown plants. We rarely have days up in the 80's (even in the middle of the summer) and usually get several freezes per year. Take a look in my gallery for pics, you won't see anything more than about 2 feet tall... it is a painful addiction, but my hope is to sort out differences based on raised beds (we get a lot of rain, and the ground is wet and cold 6 months of the year), unheated greenhouse, and large pots to see whether I can get any variety to acclimate and survive (thrive?) other than basjoo (which freezes to the ground but comes back each year).
It's great what you are doing, I've studied similar differences but without the unheated greenhouse or the cold and have found large shallow pots are the easiest way to get a cultivar to thrive in the tropics.
I am curious why you chose the Datil, maybe a shorter and quicker cultivar would be easier in your microclimate.
Thanks & Good Luck
Nicolas Naranja
01-22-2014, 10:58 AM
The fact Nick owns a
Banana Nursery only elevates his importance.
I am sure I rank real high on their importance list. The interest in "standard" bananas from me comes from some political maneuvering that happened in the state capitol a few years ago. The Department of Agriculture runs the school lunch program and they have been spending money trying to source produce for school lunches locally. After a few conversations with some people, I learned that the school boards would love to have local bananas, if they were available. I did some more research into it and found out that within a 2 hour drive there were over 800K students in public school. There are upwards of 400k bananas served in the schools every day. So there is a ready market for a little over 2600 boxes of bananas daily within 2 hours of my house. The school year is 180 days, so you have a little over $8 million being spent on bananas during the school year. A real solid variety and good growing practices could keep that money local. Once you have a solid production base, you can start marketing to grocery stores as well.
Ed, you do such a great job and the org is very lucky for all of your input.
Keep it going.
Thanks
Your accurate descriptions and photographs are an exemplary contribution to understanding the difference between cultivars and one of the reasons why I joined.
Everyone here has something important to say, although I may not agree with everything I am thankful.:0519:
Abnshrek
01-22-2014, 09:37 PM
I am curious why you chose the Datil, maybe a shorter and quicker cultivar would be easier in your microclimate.
I think this thread may be the reason? :^)
http://www.bananas.org/f12/dominico-bananas-9868.html
Capitum
01-25-2014, 03:37 AM
I am curious why you chose the Datil,
Actually, I wasn't picky about the specific cultivars- my initial goal was to look at differences based on genotype (AA, AAB, AABB, etc) and the datil just filled one of my genotype categories. Of course, I could be completely off base- maybe the variation in cold tolerance, moisture tolerance, etc. may be greater across cultivars than across genotypes, but I had to start somewhere ;-)
venturabananas
01-26-2014, 12:27 AM
Actually, I wasn't picky about the specific cultivars- my initial goal was to look at differences based on genotype (AA, AAB, AABB, etc) and the datil just filled one of my genotype categories. Of course, I could be completely off base- maybe the variation in cold tolerance, moisture tolerance, etc. may be greater across cultivars than across genotypes, but I had to start somewhere ;-)
With so many banana cultivars, there's no question that there is a lot of variation within genotypes. But there are pretty big average differences between genotypes. Don't look to the all A genotypes for cold tolerance. Though I wonder if the East African Highland bananas might be an exception. I've never had the opportunity to grow any of them.
East African Highland bananas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Highland_bananas)
PR-Giants
01-26-2014, 09:50 AM
Actually, I wasn't picky about the specific cultivars- my initial goal was to look at differences based on genotype (AA, AAB, AABB, etc) and the datil just filled one of my genotype categories. Of course, I could be completely off base- maybe the variation in cold tolerance, moisture tolerance, etc. may be greater across cultivars than across genotypes, but I had to start somewhere ;-)
Mark makes some good points, and the best way around the cold tolerance issue for All As might be choosing one that can be planted & harvested in one season.
Scot seemed to have made some very interesting selections, the Columbian Pelipita, Costa Rican Pelipita, and the short cycle AAB, just to highlight a few.
Well, let me first explain that 29 of these are TC starts that were just received. As far as seeds go, I have all of these in germinators now, no plants yet. That said, here is a list of currently growing bananas, followed by those still coming, followed by the seeds I am trying to germinate:
Plants:
Ae Ae
African Red
Antigua Finger Rose
Basjoo
Beccarii
Belle
California Cold Hardy
California Gold
Cheeka
Chinese Golden Lotus
Columbian Dwarf
Dasycarpa
Dominican Red-French Type
Double Mahoi
Dwarf Brazilian
Dwarf Chamaluco
Dwarf Cuban/Jamaican Red
Dwarf Lady Finger
Dwarf Namwah
Dwarf Namwah Pearl
Ensete Ventricosum
FHIA 17
FHIA 23
French Dwarf
Giant Governor
Gigante Blanco
Goldfinger (FHIA 1)
Gran Nain
Gros Michel
Ha'a Ha'a
Hua Moa
Hy Brazilian
Ice Cream
Igcpoca
Itinerans
Katual Vunalair
Ka-ua-lau
Kru
Mai'a Maoli Eka
Manzano
Mona Lisa (FHIA 2)
Monkey Fingers
Monte Cristo Enano
Monthan
Morado
Morado Enano
Mysore
Nchumbahoka/Nehumbahoka
Orinoco
Paggi
Pelipita (17818 & 17819)
Pirineo
Pisang Klotek
Pisang Raja
Pitogo
Pitu
Poni (Ele Ele)
Praying Hands
Raja Puri
Red Iholena
Saba
Sc 2T
SH-3640
Siam Ruby
Super Dwarf Cavendish
Sweetheart (FHIA 3)
Taiwanese Somaclone
Texas Star
Thai Black Balbisiana
Tigua
TMP x 4479-1
Truly Tiny
Verdin
White Iholena
Williams
Yangambi KM-5
Ziv
plus a few NOIDs
On order/waiting for arrival:
Abyssinian Giant
African Rhino Horn
Balongkaue
Golden Aromatic
Kofi
Kandrian
Kumanumba
Lacatan - Jamaican
Lakatan - Philippine
Nino
Pisang Ceylon
Pisang Jari Buaya
Popoulu
Sumatrana -'Zebrina'
Tibet
Tuugia
Valery
Viente Cohol
Yangtze
plus a few NOIDs
Seeds:
Abyssinian
Balbisiana
Basjoo
Cheesmani
Coccinea
Ensete Gilletii (Livingstonianum)
E. Superbum-Thai Rock
Helen's Hybrid
Ingens
Itinerans
Lasiocarpa
Laterita
Mannii
Nagensium
Ornata(Orange)Aurantiaca?
Perrieri
Siamensis
Thompsonii
Violacea
Zebrina
Abnshrek
02-11-2014, 11:47 AM
Looking pretty good for the Heater going bust on me.. :^)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil020914_zps4f998981.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil020914_zps4f998981.jpg.html)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil021014_zpsa389a647.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil021014_zpsa389a647.jpg.html)
Looking pretty good for the Heater going bust on me.. :^)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil020914_zps4f998981.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil020914_zps4f998981.jpg.html)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil021014_zpsa389a647.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil021014_zpsa389a647.jpg.html)
I'm glad to see all your plants are doing good Migael. :nanadrink:
Abnshrek
02-23-2014, 03:52 PM
Had to move this one into the Big Banana Room.. A leaf was a casualty of the move..
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil022214_zps73009fd7.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil022214_zps73009fd7.jpg.html)
Abnshrek
02-28-2014, 01:25 PM
Datil is recoverying just fine.. :^)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil022814_zps2e9aae34.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil022814_zps2e9aae34.jpg.html)
Abnshrek
03-23-2014, 12:22 PM
I think she's looking good.. :^)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil032314_zpsec99dec2.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil032314_zpsec99dec2.jpg.html)
Abnshrek
05-09-2014, 10:40 AM
This Momma took a beating getting getting used to the sun & wind, but pushing a leaf..
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datil050914_zps0f6f9169.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datil050914_zps0f6f9169.jpg.html)
and pushing up 4 pups so she must be happy.. There is a really small one coming up behind the one on the left.. :^)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Datilpups050914_zpsa2b65b6a.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Datilpups050914_zpsa2b65b6a.jpg.html)
Abnshrek
06-15-2014, 05:06 PM
Looks nothing like my Raja Puri.. :^)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Photo1646_zpsc0371916.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Photo1646_zpsc0371916.jpg.html)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Photo1647_zpsa92732e6.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Photo1647_zpsa92732e6.jpg.html)
venturabananas
06-16-2014, 01:30 AM
Looks about right for the real Datil, which is a Sucrier variety.
PR-Giants
06-16-2014, 08:18 AM
Great Photos Migael...
Here are some other TARS Sucrier (AA) you can compare it to as it matures.
You'll know more when it flowers.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56266 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56266)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56267 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56267)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56264 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56264)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56265 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56265)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56263 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56263)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56262 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56262)
Here are some other TARS (AA)
This is not the common Senorita.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56269 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56269)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56268 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56268)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56270 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56270)
Looks nothing like my Raja Puri.. :^)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Photo1646_zpsc0371916.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Photo1646_zpsc0371916.jpg.html)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/Photo1647_zpsa92732e6.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/Photo1647_zpsa92732e6.jpg.html)
robguz24
06-16-2014, 01:57 PM
To my untrained eye, I can't tell the Sucrier types in these pictures apart. I have 3 sold to me at Sucrier, Thai Dessert/Kluay Khai, and Hapai. I have a 4th that was supposed to be Pitogo. The Sucrier are heavy leaners, and the fruit tastes the same as my Kluay Khai. The other two haven't fruited yet.
venturabananas
06-16-2014, 02:03 PM
To my untrained eye, I can't tell the Sucrier types in these pictures apart. I have 3 sold to me at Sucrier, Thai Dessert/Kluay Khai, and Hapai. I have a 4th that was supposed to be Pitogo. The Sucrier are heavy leaners, and the fruit tastes the same as my Kluay Khai. The other two haven't fruited yet.
I can't either. Could be that they aren't different and are just different local names for the same thing (e.g., Dwarf Brazilian = Dwarf Apple = Prata Ana). Or they could be different cultivars.
PR-Giants
06-16-2014, 02:30 PM
To my untrained eye, I can't tell the Sucrier types in these pictures apart. I have 3 sold to me at Sucrier, Thai Dessert/Kluay Khai, and Hapai. I have a 4th that was supposed to be Pitogo. The Sucrier are heavy leaners, and the fruit tastes the same as my Kluay Khai. The other two haven't fruited yet.
The Dwarf and the Common are the normal ones you see here and it's almost impossible not to notice the differences.
venturabananas
06-16-2014, 03:25 PM
The Dwarf and the Common are the normal ones you see here and it's almost impossible not to notice the differences.
What is the typical height of those two varieties?
Abnshrek
09-14-2014, 08:19 PM
A thinned out Datil.. :^)
http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r698/Bucko13f/IMG_0400_zpsfea0e06f.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/Bucko13f/media/IMG_0400_zpsfea0e06f.jpg.html)
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