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ez
10-20-2013, 06:33 PM
Two large mats very close together next to Flamingo road each mat has one bunch with a 10-12' p-stem. What variety do you think this is?


http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3748/11257225764_53007081f6_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11257225764/)
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3787/13805292803_aee0b5ea52_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/n2VJzH)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54967&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=54967&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54968&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=54968&ppuser=7682)
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2879/13805605434_a1d8a87c07_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/n2XkvU)
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2855/13805563454_72f4f89758_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/n2X837)
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2839/13805304603_a7bce1721a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/n2VN6a)


:woohoonaner:

sunfish
10-20-2013, 08:09 PM
Manzano ? Maybe

Musa Manzano - Bananas Wiki (http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Manzano)

ez
10-20-2013, 10:22 PM
Sunfish if you mean Hawaiian apple it's very possible. The Manzano that I grow has a 7-8' p-stem and looks more like the first photo from Gabe15.

The 'Manzano' have thin skin and more rounded fruits, whereas the 'Brazilian' has thicker skin and rather more angular fruit. But that doesn't really mean that what you had was either necessarily. The photo you show from Jon's site is 'Mazano'. It's really hard to say what variety you ate unless you could show us a photo of the actual fruit you ate, preferably on the plant. The fruit bunches look very different, here are some photos.

Manzano type, 'Ungoye Sweet'
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=29853&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=29853&ppuser=5)

'Santa Catarina Prata'/'Dwarf Brazilian' ("Hawaiian Apple"), one of the most common varieties in Hawaii.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36163&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36163&ppuser=5)

sunfish
10-20-2013, 10:35 PM
Venturabananas will set use straight

venturabananas
10-21-2013, 11:31 AM
Well, since Sunfish put me on the spot...

My best guess is tall Brazilian (which is called Ladyfinger in Australia, or at least an extremely close relative is called that, and often called Ladyfinger in the US, Hawaiian Apple in Hawaii, etc.). The hands look too closely spaced to be Manzano. The bunch hanging at a 45 degree angle from the p-stem and then the rachis with a sharp downward bend are typical traits of Brazilian (but not exclusive to it). On the other hand, that would be one heck of a bunch for Brazilian, in terms of number of fingers and hands. So I'm not positive that it is Brazilian.

EZ, if your "Manzano" consistently fruits at 7-8', then it probably isn't Manzano, which typically fruits at 10'+. Hawaiian Apple (Brazilian) seldom fruits at less than 10'. That would be a typical height for Dwarf Brazilian (Prata Ana, Dwarf Hawaiian Apple). The fruit of Dwarf Brazilian and Manzano are easy to tell apart: thick peel for DB, thin peel for Manzano; and if Manzano is the least bit underripe (e.g., any green on the peel at all), it is essentially inedible because it is so astringent.

ez
10-21-2013, 03:04 PM
Thank you Mark I'm going to start a new thread with more detail on my plant and maybe I will be able to give it a positive ID.

sunfish
10-21-2013, 03:20 PM
Well, since Sunfish put me on the spot...

My best guess is tall Brazilian (which is called Ladyfinger in Australia, or at least an extremely close relative is called that, and often called Ladyfinger in the US, Hawaiian Apple in Hawaii, etc.). The hands look too closely spaced to be Manzano. The bunch hanging at a 45 degree angle from the p-stem and then the rachis with a sharp downward bend are typical traits of Brazilian (but not exclusive to it). On the other hand, that would be one heck of a bunch for Brazilian, in terms of number of fingers and hands. So I'm not positive that it is Brazilian.

EZ, if your "Manzano" consistently fruits at 7-8', then it probably isn't Manzano, which typically fruits at 10'+. Hawaiian Apple (Brazilian) seldom fruits at less than 10'. That would be a typical height for Dwarf Brazilian (Prata Ana, Dwarf Hawaiian Apple). The fruit of Dwarf Brazilian and Manzano are easy to tell apart: thick peel for DB, thin peel for Manzano; and if Manzano is the least bit underripe (e.g., any green on the peel at all), it is essentially inedible because it is so astringent.

I thought Brazillian had persistent bracts ?

venturabananas
10-21-2013, 07:42 PM
I thought Brazillian had persistent bracts ?

No, Dwarf Brazilian does, but not tall Brazilian and other full sized, close relatives in the Pome subgroup.

Richard
10-21-2013, 08:55 PM
Now in terms of "Share your roadside banana photos" ... in some places you only need google street view! My neighborhood is a good example ...

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54988

Abnshrek
10-21-2013, 09:38 PM
if Manzano is the least bit underripe (e.g., any green on the peel at all), it is essentially inedible because it is so astringent.

I can attest to that I tried one after I picked some up @ Fiesta in Dallas and spit it out, but tonight I noticed one had a split peel.. Man it was fantastic.. :^)

PR-Giants
10-22-2013, 09:23 AM
Some Roadside Manzano Bunches

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=50704 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=50704)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=50703 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=50703)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=50706 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=50706)

venturabananas
10-22-2013, 11:31 AM
Maybe it is Manzano, based on Keith's photos. Try some just before they're full yellow and see if they are edible or not and you'll know if it is Manzano.

ez
10-22-2013, 06:46 PM
Musa Blue Java (Ice Cream)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55010&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55010&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55013&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55013&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55011&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55011&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55012&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55012&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55014&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55014&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55015&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55015&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55017&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55017&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55016&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55016&ppuser=7682)

ez
10-24-2013, 07:24 PM
Photos were taken at a local nursery the one with fruit has a 3' p-stem
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55032&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55032&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55030&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55030&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55033&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55033&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55031&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55031&ppuser=7682)

PR-Giants
10-24-2013, 09:25 PM
Some Enano Gigante plants growing near the highway.

I didn't measure the height but they were about 3.5 feet.

jul 3 2012
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae272/keithpr1/EnanoGigantejul-2012_zps611d1bd1.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/keithpr1/media/EnanoGigantejul-2012_zps611d1bd1.jpg.html)

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae272/keithpr1/EnanoGigante-jul-2012_zps38fe7707.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/keithpr1/media/EnanoGigante-jul-2012_zps38fe7707.jpg.html).

ez
10-27-2013, 06:16 PM
There are two mats with fruit 8-9' p-stem
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55057&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55057&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55056&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55056&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55055&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55055&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55058&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55058&ppuser=7682)

ez
11-24-2013, 10:42 PM
Three large mats all of them have fruit at 5' p-stem looks like Dwarf Cavendish.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7320/11041411235_3484991329_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11041411235/)
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2854/11041544414_8efcfc64ed_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11041544414/)http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3811/11041413455_64b49bb48d_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11041413455/)http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3757/11041602563_bc05c07bd1_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11041602563/)http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2882/11041405335_58a013fd3f_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11041405335/)http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7407/11041546144_d346ff9b19_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11041546144/)http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3717/11041542894_4c93073ba2_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11041542894/)http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/11041600563_c740969361_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11041600563/)

venturabananas
11-25-2013, 12:44 AM
Three large mats all of them have fruit at 5' p-stem looks like Dwarf Cavendish.

I'd agree with that.

dana mastro
11-25-2013, 01:46 AM
Musa Blue Java (Ice Cream)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55010&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55010&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55013&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55013&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55011&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55011&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55012&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55012&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55014&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55014&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55015&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55015&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55017&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55017&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55016&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55016&ppuser=7682)



that blue java pup looks exactly like mine! almost like a mirror image! WEIRD I should take a pic of it exactly how you did and you would be amazed

ez
11-25-2013, 06:44 PM
that blue java pup looks exactly like mine! almost like a mirror image! WEIRD I should take a pic of it exactly how you did and you would be amazed

I would like to see your Blue Java pictures and here are more photos I took that day.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2880/11057806633_4676cd6448_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11057806633/)http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2879/11057804973_2bff087625_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11057804973/)http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7393/11057808383_dd9ba2d685_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11057808383/)

ez
12-08-2013, 08:38 PM
This mat is 6-8' wide by 40' long it has 7 plants with fruit at 8-12' p-stem the fruit are large and resemble grocery store plantains.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3674/11257642486_3e84829dba_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11257642486/)http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7453/11257625643_2cea558e1a_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11257625643/)
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5490/11257561925_7d4818e47f_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11257561925/)
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3700/11257588576_109c139d56_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11257588576/)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55371&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55371&ppuser=7682)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55372&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55372&ppuser=7682)
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2889/11280457076_218c8f9586_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11280457076/)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7385/11257633563_90182c1f0e_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11257633563/)
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3807/11257541735_050a346c0f_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11257541735/)

caliboy1994
12-08-2013, 08:51 PM
Nice find. Doesn't look like a plantain though.

ez
12-08-2013, 10:02 PM
Nice find. Doesn't look like a plantain though.

Belle (AAB) ?


Belle
http://webebananas.com/bpix/BP942-44.jpg
Image by Encanto Farms Nursery (http://encantofarms.com)

Nicolas Naranja
12-08-2013, 10:33 PM
Banana Farm on North Road in Loxahatchee
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/1386543512461_zpse8ded9da.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/NicolasNaranja/media/1386543512461_zpse8ded9da.jpg.html)

venturabananas
12-10-2013, 01:43 AM
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This mat is 6-8' wide by 40' long it has 7 plants with fruit at 8-12' p-stem the fruit are large and resemble grocery store plantains.

It's an ABB variety, probably something in the Bluggoe subgroup, like Orinoco, but doesn't look exactly like that variety.

ez
12-29-2013, 08:17 PM
I went back to the roadside mat next to flamingo road 2 weeks ago and took 5 new photos.


http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3717/11036993254_91c0c79b5b_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11036993254/)
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2847/11037053553_4095a7b5fa_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11037053553/)
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5544/11036997314_07738eeb9f_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11036997314/)
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5549/11036863655_8035944069_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11036863655/)
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3673/11040037143_0b7583e274_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/11040037143/)







These photos were taken ‎October ‎20, ‎2013

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3748/11257225764_53007081f6_c.jpg
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54971&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54972&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54970&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54973&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54974&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54969&size=1

venturabananas
12-30-2013, 07:50 AM
It's Mysore. The color on the underside of the unrolling leaf and the tightly-packed, cylindrical bunch with small fingers are the giveaways.

eddiemunozep
12-30-2013, 06:32 PM
Here are some bananas along Rainbow Valley Blvd in Rainbow Ca.

ez
12-30-2013, 08:04 PM
Here are some bananas along Rainbow Valley Blvd in Rainbow Ca.


http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac317/1tvg/RainbowRoadsidebananas2_zps89c59c09.png
Image by eddiemunozep (http://www.bananas.org/member-eddiemunozep.html)



very nice Eddie

bananimal
12-31-2013, 09:39 AM
Riverside naners. Taken from a boat on a river in Costa Rica 2011.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55517&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55517&ppuser=820)

venturabananas
01-03-2014, 08:41 PM
Here are some bananas along Rainbow Valley Blvd in Rainbow Ca.

Not positive, but probably Musa balbisiana by the look of them.

eddiemunozep
01-03-2014, 09:53 PM
Not positive, but probably Musa balbisiana by the look of them.

Here is a better view of one of the bunches

venturabananas
01-03-2014, 10:02 PM
Here is a better view of one of the bunches

I'd still stick with that tentative ID, though I'd expect to see more retained grayish bracts on the rachis based on what I've seen before for balbisiana.

eddiemunozep
01-03-2014, 10:15 PM
I'd still stick with that tentative ID, though I'd expect to see more retained grayish bracts on the rachis based on what I've seen before for balbisiana.



I left a note in their mailbox with my name and phone number asking them but they nevrr called me.

ez
01-04-2014, 12:59 PM
Not positive, but probably Musa balbisiana by the look of them.

I agree it's balbisiana here's a detailed description.

DEBDOM: Database Exploring Banana Diversity of Manipur (http://14.139.223.245/musa/detailsView.php?id=20)

I_GROWER
01-16-2014, 11:15 PM
Wild patch around the way, this is one of the smaller clumps


Ice cream? Two different bundles

http://i.imgur.com/WfLcylu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/62idMHK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tqR5UkX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6Jfi1aw.jpg

Burros?
http://i.imgur.com/5rxekEp.jpg

Monzano?
http://i.imgur.com/9M71Yvq.jpg

Supermarket banana?
http://i.imgur.com/jNW5XTA.jpg

caliboy1994
01-17-2014, 02:50 AM
Wild patch around the way, this is one of the smaller clumps


Ice cream? Two different bundles

http://i.imgur.com/WfLcylu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/62idMHK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tqR5UkX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6Jfi1aw.jpg

Burros?
http://i.imgur.com/5rxekEp.jpg

Monzano?
http://i.imgur.com/9M71Yvq.jpg

Supermarket banana?
http://i.imgur.com/jNW5XTA.jpg

They all look like Namwah to me except for the burros.

robguz24
01-17-2014, 02:52 AM
Last one is a namwah, as are probably a few of the other pictures.

ez
01-17-2014, 03:54 PM
Wild patch around the way, this is one of the smaller clumps


Ice cream? Two different bundles

http://i.imgur.com/WfLcylu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/62idMHK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tqR5UkX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6Jfi1aw.jpg

Burros?
http://i.imgur.com/5rxekEp.jpg

Monzano?
http://i.imgur.com/9M71Yvq.jpg

Supermarket banana?
http://i.imgur.com/jNW5XTA.jpg




Very nice photos I_GROWER

In my opinion the first 4 images could be Blue Java but if the color of the fruit is the same as the last image then it's probably Namwah.

The Burros bunch appear to be the same as this picture I took a couple weeks ago image on the right. (http://www.bananas.org/f2/share-your-roadside-banana-photos-19250-2.html#post235559)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5539/12000683535_e2d51e8037_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/104348596@N08/12000683535/)





The Monzano could be an off-type (somaclonal variation) of Namwah or something completely different.

The last image looks like Namwah the photo to right is a Namwah bunch.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55584

I_GROWER
01-29-2014, 04:53 PM
thank you especially ez for those comparison photos

i will get more photos next time i visit

I_GROWER
03-15-2014, 04:06 PM
Happy little patches .. Think Bob Ross

http://i.imgur.com/wpHHNf9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/X64ZdLx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rWBaNWM.jpg

ez
03-30-2014, 06:45 PM
On my way home from work I seen this small mat 6 plants the one with fruit is 10' the fruit have blunt ends and the male bud is round. I believe it's Saba (ABB).


https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3744/13524095474_08914806f3_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/mB5wpU)
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7346/13523772495_8b2744c70a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/mB3Spi)
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3804/13524088274_fdf5c6e045_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/mB5ugL)
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7152/13523866023_b7167fc261_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/mB4mcR)
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3828/13523766695_05361e192f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/mB3QFi)
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7311/13524086794_4eb36a8a6a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/mB5tQf)

venturabananas
03-30-2014, 11:06 PM
I'd agree, looks like Saba to me.

I_GROWER
03-31-2014, 08:26 AM
Visited banana land again

Found the wind handy work
http://i.imgur.com/JprSDkS.jpg


This section was not affected
http://i.imgur.com/yzX0aue.jpg

I_GROWER
07-08-2014, 10:06 AM
when back to bananaland...


http://i.imgur.com/lcyS6nh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nJogxeM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PhsusY2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IsXFo1l.jpg

eddiemunozep
07-08-2014, 10:49 AM
Here are some roadside bananas in front of a Thai restaurant in the city of Riverside Ca.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56352&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56352)

I_GROWER
09-13-2014, 06:34 AM
http://i.imgur.com/rNdPvsK.jpg

I_GROWER
09-13-2014, 06:37 AM
New commercial crop

http://i.imgur.com/ycfIxau.jpg

Nicolas Naranja
09-13-2014, 09:53 AM
Looks like they are planting a windbreak

I_GROWER
09-25-2014, 02:59 PM
http://i.imgur.com/cc51Yrp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sU4y1M1.jpg